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From: Joscha Bach < Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 10:53 PM To: Jeffrey Epstein Subject: Re: Octopi =ave a reputation for extreme creativity, i.e. they can observe things =n their environment, simulate them mentally in several ways, come up =ith a solution and then enact it. Virus =ntelligence is an emergent thing, over many viruses. The individual =irus either succeeds or fails. A virus is like a thought, not like a =ind. Am =ar 6, 2017 um 5:50 PM schrieb Jeffrey E. <[email protected]>: watch the octupus, find its prey, is it =reative.? is it intelligent? are virus =reatvie? finding new methods to infect the host. = hackers On Mon, =ar 6, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Joscha Bach < > wrote: It seems that =uch of what we call intelligence could be described as detecting causal =tructure in a domain. Causality means that you have a model that tells =ou how change of a condition will influence the distribution of =utcomes. Of course, crabs do that too, to an extent. When I was in Munich, a patent lawyer =hallenged me to come up with a definition of creativity from a machine =earning perspective. He has to judge the originality of inventions, and =omething that a domain expert can come up with "naturally"=does not count as an invention, even if it has never been done =efore. Learning =ystems tend to move along gradients, and the "natural =olution" of the domain expert can be seen as an extrapolation =f the solution space along the known gradients, until an optimum is =ound. Creativity seems to involve crossing discontinuities in the =roblem space, i.e. do more than follow the gradients. It is not magic, =f course; you can use evolutionary methods/Monte Carlo etc., but you rind that many domain experts are capable without being =reative. Can we measure the ability of different animals for =reativity? Am Mar 6, 2017 um 3:23 PM schrieb jeffrey E. <[email protected]>: i see it as a complex =ystem agents are building many things. dependent on the =ocal condition. some take off as useful in other parts of =he system, monkeys using tools? I think the =erm intelligence is too vague.. a crab using a lure to catch its =rey. is a bio inspired =rosthetic. it arguaabley evolved. =ut cant be sure. On Mon, =ar 6, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Joscha Bach < > wrote: EFTA_R1_01303106 EFTA02339755 So you don4k=99t think that practical intelligence is the ability to build arbitrary =rosthetics? I =gree that humans share an important similarity with cells, i.e. they =ave mechanisms that suppress individual competition when it conflicts =oo much with group selection. Without such mechanisms, group selection =ails, because within each group, defectors have a local =dvantage. The =implest mechanism to enforce cooperation is reputation, but it works =nly when others are looking, and manage to keep tallies. To do better =han that, evolution has to breed a virtual next level regulator into =he individual, which may be your missing "top down for humans". = system of norms and taboos, for instance a religion or ideology that =eople pick up from their environment. Individuals can decide, but in social =ontexts, the utility of decisions is given by how well we understand =he constraints under which we operate. Am Mar 6, 2017 um 10:50 AM =chrieb Jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]»: no, i disagree =nbsp;, the spaceship is only an advanced prostthetic.. . =nbsp;not interesting at all.. interesting is we have no idea =hat the top down for humans is. . collective . group =ehavior, I dont see any differnce between humans and =ells , just a different layer of the same. . =egulatory systems. actions feedbacks and " learning " =nbsp; all with no goal . the goals are illusions.. that the =ndiv thinks they decide. like the soldier ant that is =ecapitualted to a garbage ant if the garbage ants are wiped out. =nbsp;the soldier ant thinks it made the decsion. . =nbsp; On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Joscha Bach < <mailto > =rote: Exactly! Sensors like that are =ften one of these solution that get you 80% of the way with 20% of the =ffort. Except that minds that take 15 years to train are o dramatically =ore expensive that almost no species can afford them (but they end up =etting you to the moon, which no prosthesis can). Am Mar =, 2017 um 7:08 AM schrieb Jeffrey E. <[email protected]>: they=may have physical prothesitcs like cat whiskers. to =nable it to guage widith of hole. On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Joscha Bach < <mailto > =rote: 2 EFTA_R1_01303107 EFTA02339756 Most animals don't =ave a self model, probably because they don't have complex enough =rains or long enough training phases (childhoods) to do =eta-regulation. > On Mar 5, 2017, at 16:48, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote: > Law of large numbers is all that is needed > On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 5:46 PM Joscha Bach < wrote: > From a cybernetics perspective, there is Ashby's "Good Regulator" =heorem, which states that every regulator with enough degrees of =reedom will form a model of what it regulates. The Self is perhaps at =ts core a model of our own internal attention regulation, which leads =o a protocol of what we attended to, including acts of accessing that =rotocol itself. > I am not sure how to relate that to game theory; you may be able to =et that without evolutionary competition. However, game theory is =robably the way to explain how we evolve submission to norms beyond =ndirect reciprocity. > On Mar 5, 2017, at 12:12, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote: > > wrote: wrote: am" > i wonder in game theory what advantage it gives. =nbsp;. > > > On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Joscha Bach < » absolutely. so are truth and meaning > Am 05.03.2017 urn 11:52 schrieb jeffrey E. <[email protected]>: > » i is a mental construct that gives an evolutionary =dvantage , > » > » On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Joscha Bach <- > » I believe that I think, but am "I" the agent of =hinking? >>> >>> >>> >>> > » >>> On Mar 5, 2017, at 08:34, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >» I sugggest the expression really =hould be "I think, therefore I believe I »» > >> > > » > > » > -- > » > please note > >» The information contained in this communication is > >» confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, =ay > >» constitute inside information, and is intended only =or > >» the use of the addressee. 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