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From: Joscha Bach Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 1:31 AM To: Jeffrey Epstein Subject: Re: Joi Dear Jeffrey, Here are some reflections. Of course I can only extrapolate over the =hings I get to hear and rationalize over the distribution, and I am not =ctively trying to solicit opinions about you. People reflect in the categories they know, so when they discuss you, =hey will end up putting you in categories that fit into their world =iew. (Which of course is also true for myself, I cannot know my blind =pots, but at least I am aware that I have no idea what it is like to =row up as an upper middle class Jewish boy in NYC.) The first sentence of your Wikipedia entry introduces you as a sex =ffender, which due to contemporary America's fascinating difficulty of =ealing with all things sex related establishes a strong prior on you =eing a pariah. It is also pretty much the only thing that people =utside of your circles know you for. Their null hypothesis will tend to =e that you combine the apparently suspicious trait of being wealthy =ith the apparently horrible trait of being too much interested in too =oung girls. This is a very strange contrast, because there are probably very few =ontemporary individuals that have had the same curiosity for and =nfluence on instigating foundational research across fields as you did. Once people get to know you in person and are interested in you, they =end to either compartementalize the topic (as a somehow difficult to =ccept aspect of an important friend), or treat it as somehow =nterestingly dark and edgy. It seemed to never have been met with =utright approval, and very rarely not been an issue at all, even when =t is balanced against your sharp, original and interesting mind. I have =eard two people call you a savant, and you appear to be somewhat =nscrutable and mysterious, to which the apparent darkness adds. Some =ighly moralistic Jewish intellectuals seem to see you as part of the =lock, but a black sheep, with relationships maintained because you are =oyal and reliable, but despite grave moral objections. The smart college student may not have had enough life experience to not =ort people into good and evil, and may have difficulty to assume that =ou could be anything but dangerous and corrupted by darkness. While she =ight be happy to accept any amount of nepotism from a female benefactor =s laudable mentorship and empowering feminism, accepting your support =ould have meant to join into the corruption of the darkest imaginable =otions of patriarchy. Trivers was faced with a similar sentiment when =e defended you publicly (even though it was to the tune of "well he did =rong and served a bit of time, not as much as we mortals would have, =ut still, and you should forgive him now"), and Krauss (who in public =nternet discussions maintained that you did nothing wrong, and took =eavy flak for it). The general public does not seem to be able to =nderstand how morality is constructed (which of course would defeat the =volutionary and social purpose of morality to keep the public in =heck), so they won't be able to see straight. If people are able to think outside of moralistic terms, they may simply =ark you down as an ephebophile but are bound to notice a few quirks. First of all, why did you let yourself get caught? In the German =urisdiction (and likely not just there) you may have not faced the same =isks, and you are good at calculating risks. Multiply the risk of a relationship to a girl getting sour or highjacked by an enemy by a =ufficiently large number of girls, and doom is almost certain. A power =rip? What does EFTA_R1_01882457 EFTA02645850 that recklessness mean for your relationships to others? =r is it simply due to having grown up in a different time and culture, =nd having not noticed how the culture has changed? This relates to the second quirk: publicly showing off relationships to =ery young women. While rich nerds continue to have concubines, it is =ither done discreetly, or framed as polyamory. Surrounding oneself with =ultiple young women while maintaining a power differential is =pparently only seen as acceptable for teenage rockstars or rappers in =heir twenties, i.e. today's public norms do not allow for a large age =ifference (while a woman with younger men will probably be seen as =eminist and empowered, which of course rarely happens). Showing that =ff is seen almost universally as crass (ie in bad taste). The people =hat have a friendly relationship to you are bound to interpret that as = costly signal, since they usually cannot imagine that you are not =ware of the norms and the price you pay (unless you are aware of what =s really going on and let them in on your deeper reasons). If a mature =oman complains about your assistants, she is not going to refer to =heir youth and beauty which she will see as competition. Instead, she =efers to her culturally/morally entrenched distaste with the =rrangement. (Stephen Wolfram had the same objection, and initially saw =hat as a reason to not meet up with you.) The third interesting observation is that your relationships to young =omen appear not to be on equal footing but dominant-submissive, with =ittle apparent regard for hurt feelings. While you are brutally honest =nd direct with men, too, you don't come across as reveling in the power =ifference when interacting with men, or making an example of their =ntellectual and personal limitations in front of others. It is as if you are attracted to women (as long as they are not too =omanly), but you don't like them very much. While individual women gain =our respect, it seems to be much harder for them than for men, and it =s as if they are inherently less trustworthy. The strange thing about these quirks is that it appears that you are =cting against your own interest with them. While I might tend to be to =rusting with women (this trust is rarely violated though), you seem to =e mismodeling them as intrinsically dangerous. (Obviously, you are at =uch greater risk of exploitation by women than me, of course. In many =omen I wake somewhat motherly instincts.) The people that can only work =ith the media/wikipedia narrative fall into two groups: if they don't =otice you are acting against your own interest, they will consider you =vil. If they notice that you apparently harm yourself, they should =ssume that something terrible happened to you in your childhood that =ot you twisted. The latter is also probably the only plausible path to possible =edemption in the eyes of the circles of the US intelligentsia. The =asiest explanation for your unusual choice of partners and the nature =f your public relationships to them is obviously childhood abuse. If =ost of these people suspected that you suffered something unspeakable =t the hands of an adult female caregiver, and it just took you decades =o work through it (understanding that someone likely abused her, so she =urned against you etc.), they would be able to feel that they =nderstand you, and many more would feel acceptance. Some people might =ven realize that you paid a much higher price than your purported =ictims. On the other hand, while such a story could probably be =lanted, I cannot imagine what that would mean for you and your =elationship to yourself. In all these matters, the truth might be elusive and ultimately =rrelevant, except inasmuch as it concerns personal pain. What people =ee of you is that you are effective, reliable, ruthless, provocative, =wisted, sometimes utterly crass, unconventional, likely not vain, and =ompletely unafraid. You incentivize the people in our shared circle =xtremely well for cooperation, by being generous, loyal, curious, =ntellectually interesting and benevolent. But to regain your place as a =ocially accepted cultural force you cannot present an image as an =nrepentant and unevolving connoisseur of immature girls. No matter what the causal mechanisms and personal preferences are, the =rice that such relationships have for the public image in 2017 is very =igh. (The notable philosopher Colin McGinn lost his tenure and chances =f future employment over a harmless crush on a grad student, and MIT's =amous Walter Levin lost all his social capital due to an entendre to an =nline course participant.) Even the enlightened parts of society that =re accepting of all kinds of 2 EFTA_R1_01882458 EFTA02645851 consensual relationships are uncomfortable =ith power differentials in erotic relationships. They mean that in the =yes of the public, you lose plausible deniability with respect to the =rue backgrounds of the accusations against you. On a personal level: I cannot say how grateful I am for your unwavering =upport. I have gone through a pretty bad year (nothing like what =appened to you, of course). If there is ever anything I can do to help =ou, please let me know. With kind regards, Joscha > On Jul 2, 2017, at 05:35, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote: > joi laughed . and I believe a sincere laugh. . but .. Karyna =old me that i had left my shoes on. . in a Japanese house.. so . =ifficult to know > I dont spend much time thinking about how people perceive me. I =ry to maintain my own compass. I dont admit an age or power =ifference in my intereactions . In the past if i did things in =rder to satisfy someones perceptions ( within bounds) . I often ended =ith an unintended result. ex. I recently met very smart college =tudent . very cute. . I told her I would help her getting grants. =he was insulted . and when pressed said she couldnt be bought. =oscha. . both you and I have lived the consequences of not being =ware of others motivations. perceptions etc . so I am happy to explore =our views. I rarely get insulted. so if you would like to give me =ome of yours , feel free. -- your funding is intact :) . no matter =hat > On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Joscha Bach •, :• =rote: > How did Joi react? :) > More generally, I would be curious to learn how you think that other =eople perceive you, and how much they can glimpse behind your curtain. > In the last three years, I have developed a lot more self-awareness, > =ot least thanks to you. (It does not mean that I now perfectly > =nderstand how others see me, but that I notice that my self model and > =he perspective of others, and the more importantly, my model of how > =thers model me, have serious discrepancies.) > — Joscha • please note > The information contained in this communication is confidential, may > be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and > is intended only for the use of the addressee. 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