DS9 Document EFTA00723310

Page UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO.: 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, -vs- JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. VOLUME I OF II Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 / / VIDEO-CONFERENCED AND VIDEOTAPED COMPULSORY MEDICAL EVALUATION OF JANE DOE NO. 5 Friday, November 20, 2009 9:18 - 6:55 p.m. 250 Australian Avenue Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FPR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Services PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723310 Page 2 Page 4 1 APPEARANCES: 2 On behalf of the Plaintiff 3 JESSICA D. ARBOUR, ESQUIRE MERMELSTEIN &14OROWITZ, PA. 4 18205 Biscayne Boulevard Suite 2218 6 7 8 9 ALSO PRESENT: 10 11 12 Pha e: E-mail: D. Paralegal, Burman, Crftton, Luther & Coleman 13 14 Sextet Quimby, Videographer Visual Evidence, Incorporated 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 A. Okay. 2 Q. This is probably going to be an all-day 3 thing. This is not an endurance test. So, at any 4 time you need to take a break, want to get a 5 cigarette smoke, use the restroom, get some water? 6 A. Okay? 7 Q. It's not a problem. Just let me know. 8 A. Okay. 9 Q. And we'll stop the tape. The tape 10 switches over about every two hours, so we kind of 11 have little built-in breaks any way. 12 A. Yeah, she told me that 13 Q. Pm a, fin a psychiatrist I have been 14 asked to do what they call an independent medical 15 examination. This is in the context of the lawsuit 16 that's going on. I think you're aware of that. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Usually when you see a doctor, there is a 19 notion of confidentiality, that anything you say to 2 0 the doctor will stay in the room and not be reported 21 others. Since this is being done for the court, 22 anything you tell me may end up in my report. 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. A copy of my report will go to both 25 attorneys, and the judge may or may not see it. I, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 3 EXAMINATION DR. HALL Thank you. JANE DOE NO. 5: I sign here? DR HALL: Yes, please. JANE DOE NO. 5: Is that it for this one? DR. HALL: Yep. That one is a little redundant, but the rest of them there is differences. (Interruption at the door.) DR. HALL: Yes. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Sorry to interrupt, Doctor. Could you move the mic a little bit closer? DR HALL: You don't have to — the last one doesn't apply. JANE DOE NO. 5: Yeah. BY DR. HALL: Q. Now, live introduced myself a little bit before the depo got started and I overheard your lawyer talking about speak slowly, clearly -- A. Yes. Q. — because it's being transcribed. So, appreciate that. If you have any questions at any time, feel free to ask me. Page 5 1 you know, some of the mechanics I don't fully 2 understand. 3 A. Okay. 4 Q. But it's not confidential. 5 A. Yeah, I understand that. 6 Q. Also usually when you see a doctor, there 7 is the assumption that the doctor is going to treat 8 you. I'm not going to be providing treatment 9 recommendations. 10 A. Yeah. 11 Q. Or follow-up, whatever, yeah? 12 A. Yeah. 13 Q. But I just want you to be aware of that 14 before we start. 15 A. Okay. Understand. 16 Q. Do you have any questions, concerns, 17 comments? 18 A. No. 19 Q. No. Okay. How this works is we're going 20 to kind of start, get some background information, 21 kind of go through a lot of areas during the course 22 of the day. And I will talk to you specifically 23 about the allegations of the episode of Mr. Epstein. 24 And we'll have some testing at the end. 25 A. Oka'. 2 (Pages 2 to 5) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723311 Page 6 Page 8 1 Q. All right. Usually around noon or I NW 2 break for lunch and then come back 3 A. Okay. . 4 Q. With all that said, could you tell me your 5 name, please? 6 A. Jane Doe No. 5. 7 Q. Okay. When you were born? A. October 27th, 1986. 9 Q. Okay. Where were you born? 10 A. West Palm Beach. 11 Q. Okay. Any problems, complications, 12 problems with your birth that you're aware of? 13 A. No. 14 Q. So, not born early, born late? 15 A. I was bom late, actually, yes. 16 Q. Do you know how late? 17 A. I was supposed to be born October 15th on my 18 father's birthday. 19 Q. Okay. So it looks like roughly two weeks? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Okay. Did they have to induce your mom 22 into labor or did it — 23 A. No, she went into labor. 24 Q. She went. Okay. Did you need to spend 25 any additional time in the hospital afterwards, 1 A. No. 2 Q. Tell me about your family a little bit 3 A. Basically my mother and Mier got married, 4 you know. I was born. And they got divorced. I was 5 around the age of three. It's not accurate, but around 6 the age of three. 7 Q. And it's okay to ballpark in general. 8 A. Yeah,1 will be. You will notice I'm so 9 horrible with memory like time frames. 10 Q. Okay. 11 A. I'm throwing them out. 12 Q. If I need something a little more 13 specific - 14 A. I will by to put, yeah — 15 Q. Put it together. 16 A. Okay. 17 Q. And if you are kind of ballparkinp„ just 18 let me know it's arotmd this or -- 19 A. Twill. Trust me. I'm horrible. 20 Q. Okay. So divorced around age duce? 21 A. Yes. She met my stepfather, which is 22 III They dated for a while. That's basically -- he's 23 been with her fora long time. They are still together 24 today. I moved to Fort Lauderdale with them. You know, 25 they got married at some point. I don't honestly Page 7 1 PICU, NICU? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Or were you even boa in a hospital? 4 • A. I was bon in a hospital. 5 Q. Okay. 6 A_ That I'm aware of no, I didn't hear of any 7 complications after. 8 Q. Did you meet your normal developmental 9 milestones such as walking and talking on time? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Any significant childhood illness? 12 A. As in medically? 13 Q. Medically needed to be rehospitalized, 14 surgeries? 15 A. The only thing I'm aware of is I had colic 16 when I was little. 17 Q. Okay. And everybody, or most everybody 18 gets the chicken pox. Things like that. 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. That's not what I'm — 21 A. Yeah. Pve had that. 22 Q. Okay. Were you ever in foster care or 23 taken way from you're biological parents? 24 A. No. 25 q. Or Da ever involveST -29brinirif? 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Page 9 remember the age. I was probably around ten — Q. Okay. A. — when Sot married. They had, you know, a daughter, We moved to South Carolina after Fort Lauderdale. And I didn't really like it in South Carolina. Q. Roughly how old were you when you were in South Carolina? A. Twelve. Q. Okay. Middle school age? A. Yes, it was middle school. It was around -- think it was, actually it was eighth grade, I remember, because I went to three different middle schools in eighth grade. Q. Okay. A. 1 went from Fort Lauderdale to South Carolina and then back to Wellington -- Q. Okay. A. -- because I moved with my father because like me and my stepfather were having problems and also at school there was a lot of girls that wanted to, I guess you put it, kill me. Q. Okay. A. You know, harm me in some way. Q. Pm going to want to hear more about that 3 (Pages 6 to 9 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723312 Page 10 1 later. 2 A. Yeah, rough draft. So I moved in with my 3 father at the end of my eighth grade year. So this is 4 my third middle school I'm attending now. And it was 5 hard for me because I was close with my mother. And I 6 moved with him, but he was gone a lot because he worked 7 seven days a week. Now he's working six, but he was 8 working seven days a week and he wouldn't get home until 9 around, you know, 6 to 8:00 at night. 10 Q. Okay. 11. A. So, and he was a single parent. And it was me 12 and my brother with him. He has custody over my 13 brother. 14 Q. Okay. 15 A. And basically I lived with him from there on 16 out. 17 Q. Are you still with him now? 18 A. No, I'm mauled. So, actually right now I am 19 staying at his house because my husband is in the 20 military. So, he is going to be back in three weeks. 21 Q. Okay. What branch of the service? 22 A. Navy. 23 Q. Okay. And is he over in a combat zone or 24 is he just on -- 25 A. Yeah. Page 12 1 Q. Okay. Was this his first deployment or... 2 A. Yes. I mean, he's had little deployments like 3 a month here, three weeks there, but this is his 4 first — 5 Q. Longterm. 6 A. — long deployment. 7 Q. How long has he been in for? 8 A. Four years this April, and he still has one 9 more year. 10 Q. Is he going to re-enlist or is he looking 11 on — 12 A. He is - 13 Q. - various things? 14 A. - not sure because the economy is so 15 horrible. He would lace to become a 16 firefighter-paramedic, but the economy is so bad at the 17 moment that everybody is waiting in line to do that, and 18 he is thinking about re-enlisting. 19 Q. Okay. 2 0 A. So, it's not for sure yet. 21 Q. And how long have the two of you been 22 married? 23 A. Almost four years this December. No, three 24 years. Pm sorry. Three years this December. 23 Q. Okay. So, is he — I guess you met him Page 11 1 Q. -- regular ship deployment or... 2 A. Yeah. He is on a regular ship deployment. I 3 mean, he's been to, you know, to Bahrain and Dubai, 4 things like that. But he is on his way back as of now. 5 He is not stopping at any more ports, but he has been in 6 the combat zone. Stuff like that. 7 Q. I'm trying to remember, that's considered 8 what, Zone 5 or Fleet 5 of the Navy, that area? 9 A. 'have no idea. 10 Q. No idea? 11 A. I don't know. Pm not really sure about all 12 that 13 Q. What type of ship is he on? 14 A. He is on the USS Batten. 15 Q. Okay. Is that a supply ship, frigate? 16 A. Ifs a — 17 Q. Cruiser? 18 A. Ifs the — give me a second. For the 19 helicopters the -- 20 Q. Helicopter carrier? 21 A. Ifs a carrier. 22 Q. Okay. How long was his deployment for? 23 A. It's been about, I'm guessing. I haven't even 24 averaged it out, but six to seven months. It's been a 25 while. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 13 before he went into the Navy? A. I've known him since — I met him actually the first day I went to middle school when I went back to Wellington. Q. Okay. A. I've known him since I was IZ 13, whenever I went back to middle school in West Palm, Wellington. Q. All right. So, jumping back I think I got more into the current family than kind of the — A. Yeah. Q. — the original family there, but thank A. You're welcome. Q. Whatever the opportunity presents. How old is your mother? A. I think she's 45. Pm really terrible. Q Approximately 45? A. Forty-five, yeah. Q. Has she had any health problems? A. She's had a couple lumps, but nothing cancerous. Q. Okay. A. But no. Q. How did she deal with the lumps issues? A. My mom is the type of person, she would rather 4 (Pages 10 to 13) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723313 Page 14 I not know. But I basically convinced her to go because 2 cancer runs in my family. 3 Q. Okay. What do you think of the new 4 guidelines on mammography and all that? 5 A. As in - 6 Q. Oh, they — / A. Sorry. ;3 Q. They just have the recommendations on 9 breast cancer screening come out. 10 A. Oh, did they? 11 Q. (Inaudible.) 12 A. I wasn't even aware of that. 13 Q. Yeah. Now they are debating on what the 14 proper op to do testing is — 15 A. Oh, really. 16 Q. — and therapies and all that, so. Okay. 17 So, you kind of encouraged mom to go get checked 18 out? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Okay. And fortunately it's come back 21 negative? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Is that something that was worrisome for 24 you or... 25 A. Yeah. You know, my mom means a lot tome. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 adct 1G Q. I apologize. A. That's okay. But she doesn't have her at the moment anymore. Q. Okay. So, how many is there biologic kids, I mean you are related to by mother or father? A. None. By both my mother and father, non:: Q. No. A. They are all step. Q. All step. Any half? A. Wait. Q. Half is one parent. A. Fin sony. Half, they are all half, not step. Pm sorry. Q. Not a problem. A. I'm a little tired today. Q. And again at any time if you misspeak and you need to correct, that's — A. Yeah, which I will probably will be doing Q. Please do. So, what are the names of your siblings? A. Okay. There is on my father side, that is M. He is 20 — I'm giving a guess because I have never met him. He is 27. I do speak to him on Facebook. He's 27. And he is by my father. And I'm not sure who the woman is. My dad didn't know about him 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 15 We've had our hard times but every mother and daughter does. Q. What's she do for a living? A. She actually used to work at a law firm for Searcy & Denney — Q. Okay. A. -- Scarola, Barnhart & Shipley. Q. I'm sorry. I missed that last part. A. Oh, it's Searcy, Denney, Scarola, Barnhart & Shipley. That's the law firm. It's all the names. Q. Gotcha. I'm not familiar with that firm. Is that down here? A. It's in West Palm Beach. I'm not sure. It was a while ago. I'm not sure exactly where it is. Pm horrible with directions. Q. That's — A. Yeah, but it's around the West Palm Beach area. Q. Okay. A. But now she is a stay-at-home mom because she has, including me, four kids. But she has three young kids. Q Okay. A. She recently was fostering her step-sister's daughter. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 11 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 17 until he was like eight years old. Q. Okay. A. Then there is me with my mother. And then there is my brother He is going to be 18. He is 17 at the moment. And then there is my sister, =. And she lives in Colorado. And she, I'm guessing. is nine. She's around the age of nine. I see her usually in the summers. Q. Okay. So, that's all on your father's side? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. And Mom's side? A. My mom's side is me and then there is which she's around the age of eight or nine also. Then there is which is adopted by the same woman as her it's her half-sister. Q. is A. Q. A. Yes. Q. Okay. °r n A. And then there which is two. Q. Okay. And is your mother's or adopted or... 5 (Pages 14 to 17) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723314 Page 18 1 A. No, that's my mother's. And then there was 2 M, but she's not with her anymore because she was 3 fostering her. 4 Q. Okay. was the foster? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Okay. 7 A. She was about one and a half. 8 Q. Now, I have a large number here, so 191 9 just kind of do a blanket statement. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. How are they health wise, any major health 12 problems in any of them? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Any major psychiatric problems or minor 15 psychiatric problems? 16 A. My brother, he had ADD. 17 Q. Which brother? 18 A. Pri s, =, on my dad's side. 19 Q. Okay. How old was he when that 20 was diagnosed? Again ballpark 21 A. I think when he started grade school. Maybe 22 middle school. 23 Q. Okay. 24 A. I'm guessing. I really honestly am not sure. 25 Pm guessing middle school. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 20 depression? A. It was when she was still in South Carolina. Fm going to say late 30's maybe. Q. Okay. And I know you were relatively young, but do you remember kind of what symptoms you noticed in her, or what others have told you was going on? A. She basically told me she was just, you know. stressed out to the max. And, you know, it was really hard for her at this age and stuff like that. It wasn't — I wasn't with her at that point. That was when I was living with my father and she was like calling me. Q. Okay. A. And letting me know things, and I think they prescribed her Xanax — Q. Okay. A. — which is to calm her down but she's not on anything anymore. She's better. Q. And how long of a period did that go on for? A. I honestly have no idea. Q. Okay. A. I mean, it wasn't for a long, long time. It was — Page 19 1 Q. Is he on any medicines that you're aware 2 of or... 3 A. He was on Ritalin. That's all I know. I 4 don't know what he is on now. I'm sure he is on 5 something still. 6 Q. Okay. Did it help? 7 A. Yes. He's very intelligent. It makes him 3 concentrate. I also have ADD. 9 Q. Okay. 10 A. I'm on Addaall which is why I'm in school at 11 the moment, because I usually don't take it when I'm not 12 in school. 13 Q. We had to do this on a Friday. I assume 14 that's because of the school schedule and childcare? 15 A. Yeah, I don't have school on Friday, so... 16 Q. All right. And your mother, does she have 17 any mental health problems or... 18 A. No. 1 mean, she has been through her -- she's 19 been depressed, you know, at some point. 1 mean, 1 20 don't know if you want to consider that mental health. 21 She just got depressed because she was overwhelmed with 22 all the kids at her age. 23 Q. Okay. 24 A. But that's basically it. 25 Q. Roughly how old was she when she had the Page 21 1 Q. Are we talking a week, three weeks? 2 A. Oh, it was — 3 Q. a month? 4 A. It was about a couple months to maybe a year. 5 I'm guessing. I mean, I wasn't there at that point. 6 She didn't cligents it at all with me. She didn't want 7 me to worry, but, you know, she did bring it up a couple 8 times. 9 Q. Then it was more than just a bad week or 10 two? 11 A. Oh, yeah. 12 Q. Okay. Was she ever on any antidepressant 13 medications like Zolotl, Prone, Lexapro, Effexor, 14 CymbaIta? 15 A. I think she was, but I have no idea which one. 16 Q. Okay. Put down possible antidepressant 17 A. Yeah. I'm not, yeah, rd have no idea if she 18 really was. I mean, I'm sure she took something because 19 she mentioned something 1 don't remember. 20 . Q. Tell me a little bit about your step-dad. 21 M. you said? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Is it okay if I refer to him that way? 24 A. Yeah. That's what we call him, but is 25 his name. 6 (Pages 18 to 21) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723315 Page 22 2 A. But we call him M. A little bit about him. 3 He is younger than my mom. 4 Q. Okay. 5 A. And I don't — I think ifs by four or five 6 years. I'm not sure. Maybe two or three. I really 7 don't know. I'm guessing. 8 In the beginning when my morn first got 9 with him, I personally didn't like him because I was 10 very close to my mom. And I felt, you know, like, 11 jealous I guess you could say because it wasn't just 12 me and her anymore. It was him, you know, coming 13 because she didn't bring him around that much in the 14 beginning. Then we went — you know, when I was 15 three. 16 But, you know, she brought him more 17 around, you blow, a little bit later in life. And I 18 was jealous, and I really didn't like the fact that 19 he was there. But, you 'mow, [guess they got 20 serious at some point. And we just — he, he was 21 young at the time. He was in his 20's Pm guessing, 22 and I think he was — 23 Q. Not to sound funny but when you say 24 guessing, that can mean a lot of different things to 25 a lot of different people. So, if it's kind of like Page 24 1 know, he's fractured my eardrum that he's hit me so hard 2 because I said I didn't like him. You know, here and 3 there. It wasn't like a constant thing but it was when 4 he lost his temper. There was a couple times. 5 Q. Did you ever need to go to the hospital? 6 A. No. I went to the doctors for my ear though. 7 Q. And how is your hearing now? 8 A. It's fine. It was just a fractured eardrum 9 they said. But it, I couldn't hear out of -- I think 10 it I'm not sure — I think it was my right ear for 11 lilce a week, but it's fme now. 12 Q. Any other, and you said it's doing fine 13 now. I sometimes talk a little lower. I can 14 occasionally mumble. So, if I say something you 15 don't understand, let me know. 16 A. Okay. 17 Q. I'm happy to repeat it. 18 A. Okay. 19 Q. You can raise the volume if need be. 20 Okay. You said it wasn't like a daily thing, but 1 21 mean, can you give me a sense, I mean, was there 22 l0ce major episodes or was there a lot of minor 23 little episodes that — 24 A. Yeah, it was, it was mixed between both. It 25 was, there was minor episodes. It's not where he hit me Page 23 1 a good estimate -- 2 A. Uh-huh. 3 Q. — is that what you mean by guessing A. Yes. 5 Q. — or do you mean I am totally just 6 pulling a number out of the air? 7 A. He was in his 20's. 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. So, Pm — 10 Q. So, I will assume when you say he is 11 younger, I think, I'm guessing, that that's your 12 best estimate? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Okay. I just -- 15 A. He was in his 20's. And we didn't really get 16 along because, I mean, he's told me that basically I was 17 luggage to him. 18 Q. Okay. 19 A. Baggage, luggage, because he was young and he 20 just wanted my mother and I was just a tagalong. He has 21 told me that to this day. I mean, he has apologized for 22 it, but he was physically abusive. 23 Q. Okay. 24 A. Not to the point where he like, you know, 25 every day beat me. But when he lost his temper, you 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 25 but he would, you know, scream and brake things and throw my phone and stuff like that. And there was also times where he would, you know, hit me to where he got my mom to the point of, you know, asking me, do you want me to leave him. Q. Okay. A. And I just basically told her, I don't, I don't care anymore. I really don't. I mean, I didn't know what to do because I knew she wanted to be with him, and I didn't want to, like, break up them, but also on the other hand I was absolutely miserable. Q. Okay. A. And that's one of the reasons I moved out of South Carolina also. It wasn't just the school. It was a combination of, [just, both. So I just — because I was supposed to go back to South Carolina like for the following school year because they, you know, it was more about my mom had it more about the school issue. There was also to me about him and, you know, she didn't say very much to him, so I just never went back to South Carolina Q. Okay. Again, yeah, I'm just — so it's kind of like you went down to visit your father for the summer and -- A. Not to visit. I went to finish my eighth 7 (Pages 22 to 25) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723316 Page 26 1 grade school year. 2 Q Okay. 3 A. Okay. I was supposed to go back for my high 4 school in South Carolina, but I didn't go back 5 Q. Okay. We're talking about the incidence 6 of domestic violence with your stepfather. The 7 serious episodes, are we talking like five, ten, 15, 8 20? 9 A. It was probably, I mean, it wasn't — 10 Q. Thirty, 100. 11 A. No, it wasn't that many. It was like really 12 horrible, like — there is one in particular that I 13 remember that when I said I didn't like him over the 14 phone, he was listening in on the conversation, he like 15 broke down the door and like ripped my TV out of the 16 wall and threw it down the stairs and basically, beat 17 the crap out of me, and that's when he fractured my 18 eardrum. 19 Q. Okay. How old were you when that 20 happened? 21 A. I was in — it was my -- I think it was the 22 beginning— oh, ballparking it? 23 Q. Ballparking it. 24 A. Seventh or eighth grade year in middle school 25 in Fort Lauderdale. Page 28 1 that's now they are all young. But he spanks them but 2 he treats them completely different now that you 3 know, I mean he's, he's apologized to me and sat me down 4 and told me that he was wrong with the way he raised me. 5 But I guess he was raised like that by his 6 father. Actually, it was worse the way his father 7, raised him, so that's all he knew I'm guessing. And 8 now that he has his owl kids, he sees now that's 9 horrible the way he raised me. 10 Q. Have you forgiven, or is it just you 11 appreciate the apology but — 12 A. I mean, ifs — I still feel like he keeps me 13 111w this, you know, from the family. You know, he — I 14 daft know. That's the way 1 feel. He says otherwise, 15 but there is just little things that make me feel like 16 he would rather me not be at his house, in his home like 17 living when I moved here for instance and I was staying 18 with them first when my husband first left on a 19 deployment. 20 Q. So, you actually went back up and stayed 21 with them for a little while and -- 22 A. Well, they are here now. 23 Q. Oh, they're back now? 24 A. So, they are in Boca. I'm sorry I should have 25 told you that. Page 27 1 Q. Okay. And again, just so I got the 1 2 timeline straight, you were in Fort Lauderdale since 2 eighth grade. Moved up to South Carolina You were 3 <l in South Carolina for less than a year — 4 5 A. Oh, less — 5 6 Q. And came back 6 A. It was a couple months. 7 8 Q. Couple months. 8 9 A. Because 1 did eighth grade in Fort Lauderdale. 9 10 1 went to South Carolina, did eighth grade. And then 1 10 11 went to Wellington and did eighth grade. 11 12 Q. Okay. 12 13 A. So, yeah. 13 14 Q. And this happened before you left, though? 14 15 A. Yes. It was in Fort Lauderdale. 15 16 Q. Okay. Was there any abuse between your 16 17 mother and, and =7 17 18 A. (Witness shakes head.) 18 19 Q. Okay. So, he never hit her? 19 20 A. No. 20 21 Q. Did he ever hit your brother or any of the 21 22 other children? 22 23 A. Those were all his kids. 23 24 Q. Okay. And did he hit any of them? 24 25 A. I mean, he spanks them now, you know, because 25 Page 29 Q. No, that's fine. A. They're back. They're in Boca. Q. How often do you go over and see them? A. I go, I go over there probably once every two weeks or something. You know, he is usually at work and I go to see my mom because she's a stay-at-home mother. She's actually watching my daughter today. Q. Okay. Now, what type of work does he do? A. He is a general manager at a golf course. It's a — it's in, off of Commercial. Q. Okay. A. Coral Ridge Country Cub. Q. And you said you get along well with your mom now? A. Yeah. We get along. I mean, don't get me wrong, we have our differences like every mother and daughter does. You know, I have my opinion. She has hers. And you know, we get into it sometimes but it's about stupid things. You know. Q. And can you give me an example? A. Example. This is, you know, actually recent. They are very and they don't believe in lying to their children and telling them there is a Santa Claus when it's about Jesus's birthday. .Q. Okay. 8 (Pages 26 to 29) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723317 Page 3e 1 A. So, my uncle is coming down but he tells his 2 son that he is -- you know, Santa Claus is real. 3 My mom feels the need if his son asks my 4 mother if Santa Claus is real, she's going to tell 5 him no. And I told her it's not her place to tell 6 somebody else's son that Santa Claus isn't real. 7 That's the parents' place. And she's like, well, 8 it's my home. So, that's a conflict. Something 9 like that. Very minor but I give my opinion. 10 Q. No, l appreciate the example? 11 A. Yeah. 12 Q. Was there ever any abuse from mom? 13 A. No. Mentally when I was younger, you know, 14 she — she lost it on me here and there a lot, you know, 15 for stupid things. I guess I should have said yes, but 16 I don't, you know. 17 Q. Well, let me — any physical abuse? 18 A. There was one time that she got upset with me 19 because her and my stepfather split up. I didn't tell 20 you this either, but her and my stepfather split up at 21 one point before they got married, and she dated this 22 guy. And I didn't like him at all, and he went to 23 Chicago. This is just a scenario of what happened. 24 I was walking in the streets of Chicago 25 and she got pissed because I wasn't listening to 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21. 22 23 24 25 Page 32 100 percent know. Q. Okay. A. I'm very bad with those dates. Q. So, closer to II than 16? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And again it's okay to ballpark. If I need something more specific — A. Yeah. Q. — we'll work through it. A. Ifs so hard for me to do dates really. Q. Do you know why they got separated the first time? A. I have no idea. I don't know. Q. Do you know why your mother and your biological father got separated? A. Yes. Because he was doing drugs and cheated on my mother. Q. What drugs was he doing? A. Cocaine. Q. Okay. Was he selling or just using or... A. Both. Q. Did any of that come home with him or... A. My mom said the time that she left him was when I got a hold of a bag of coke, and that's when she was fed up. Now, this is from what she told me. You Page 31 1 her. So she took the in the bathroom and hit me a 2 couple of times to be like, you 'mow, wake the hell 3 up, and what are you doing walking in the streets of 4 Chicago? 5 Q. Okay. Was it like a spanking or slapping 6 in the face or - 7 A. She hit me with her hands a couple of times 8 and slammed my head against the wall. But it was just, 9 she was really mad. 10 Q. And you were roughly four, five — 11 A. No. 12 Q. — ten, 20? 13 A. No. I'm going to say between, like — I said 14 they got married when I was around ten. So, maybe like, 15 you know what, they got married when 1 was around ten. 16 They got married twice. I'm sorry. There's things that 17 pop back up to me. 18 They got married when I was ten. They got 19 a divorce and they got re-married in a courthouse, 20 which I totally forgot about. 21 Q. Okay. 22 A. You're going to see I do that. I forget and 23 then I start remembering. And I think it was when they 24 got their divorce. So Pm guessing around the age of 25 like 11 or so. Pin, I'm ballparlcing it. I really don't Page 33 1 know, there's her side, his side, and the truth, so... 2 They told me two different stories. 3 Q. And what's his version of events? 4 A. She was jealous and he couldn't deal with it, 5 so that's why they split up. So, I mean, I don't blow 6 if he wants me to know or — I mean, he is foe now, you 7 know, he's -- 8 Q. How much clean time has he had? 9 A. He's a while. I mean, this is when I was 10 younger. I don't,1 don't know honestly. lean% tell 11 you. I have no idea, but I mean, I remember scenarios 12 when I was in Jupiter visiting him, and I, I mean, not 13 that I knew at that time, but I look back and I'm like, 14 he had to be on drugs the way he — it was just, he 15 didn't give a crap about anything, you know. He would 16 throw my brother in a bed and my brother would cry to 17 sleep. And 1 would just — it was horrible. But that's 18 when I was -- I have no idea what age. I was yotmg. It 19 was when he lived in Jupiter, Jupiter Farms. 20 Q. Okay. 21 A. But fora while now he's — a great job, makes 22 good money. 23 Q. I forgot to ask about him. So, what, what 24 is his job? 25 A. He's the finance director of a, two 1 9 (Pages 30 to 33) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723318 Page 34 1 dealerships, car dealerships. 2 Q. Okay. 3 A. He still works a lot. He works six days a 4 week. tie's a hard worker. He's dating somebody but he 5 hasn't been married since my mother. 6 Q. Okay. 7 A. I don't {mow if he has a commitment problem or 8 what it is. But, you know, he's basically raised my 9 brother. My brother's mom turned into a druggie. And I 10 don't know if she got that, started from my father. But 11 she was a real nice woman when I knew her, but she's 12 literally a druggie, disgustingly and -- 13 Q. Do you have any dealings with her or... 14 A. I'm sorry? 15 Q. Do you have any dealings with your 16 brother's mother? 17 A. As in like -- 18 Q. Was she like living in the house? 19 A. She was living there and she was — 20 Q. - for the first part? 21 A. She was, she was a sweetheart when I was 22 living then. She was a sweetheart and I know she got 23 attached to drugs. I don't know if it was my father 24 that got her on them, because they started — they were 25 in Jupiter when this whole thing, you know, when they Page 36 1 still comes into his life, I'm going to pick you up next 2 week; never shows up. She's back in jail. Ifs I can't 3 imagine what he goes through and he tries to act now 4 like, oh, I don't give a, you know, whatever he uses 5 these words, and I know it hurts. 6 Q. Yeah. All right. So, and just an 7 interesting history. And thank you. So, I'm just 8 trying to make sure I've got it and haven't skipped 9 anything. 10 A. Yeah. 11 Q. So, dad's working at a car dealership, 12 staying in his house right now? 13 A. Uh-huh. 14 Q. Good relationship with him now? 15 A. Yeah. Now, we have finally are having a good 16 relationship. 17 Q. When do you think the relationship 18 improved? 19 A. Since I had my daughter. So, about, almost 20 two yews. 21 Q. Okay. Something I just realized I forgot 22 to ask: What's your husband's rank in the Navy? 23 A. He is about to be an 15. If he makes — he 24 took a test but they randomly pick. He's, right now 25 he's an I.4. Page 35 got together. So, I don't know if she just started 2 doing them with my dad because when I ;mew her she was a 3 sweetheart, amazing woman. Q. Okay. A. And she just started going downhill and doing crazy stuff when you do when ttre on drugs. And my 7 dad had to take custody of M, which is my brother. a And be's raised my brother, and my brother is very 9 intelligent and he's about to graduate. 10 Q. Good for bin 11 A. So, l mean, back in the past, yeah, there was 12 complications, but now there they are good. 13 Q. What do you mean complications? 14 A. As in drugs and, you know, his mom, you know, 15 doing the drugs and my dad was doing the drugs. My 16 brother, you know, was just in a bad environment. 17 Q. Okay. 18 A. You 'mow. 19 Q. Your brother used than as well? 20 A. My brother, he has. I mean, don't get me 21 wrong, you know, teenagers try drugs. But l feel bad 22 for him because he's never had a mother figure in his 23 life. You know, he's had me, but I'm his sister. 24 Q. Right. 25 A. You know, I mean, his mother alssa)s -- she Page 37 1 Q. Good for him. 2 A. Yeah, he's, he's an excellent worker. 3 Q. So, is Is getting up to sergeant rank? I 4 mean, I know in the military, Army I think 1-4 is 5 corporal. May have forgotten. Don't know? 6 A. I just know he is an I-4, and I-5 is higher. 7 I mean, it's getting up there. He is doing really well. 8 Q. Right. 9 A. He has a lot of awards, you knowa best worker 10 awards. He is actually elected to get to So, 11 basically if he passes the test, he is basically going 12 to be hand picked. Because the way they do the testing 13 in the Navy is, this group of people test, you know, 14 this - you Icnow just say 50 percent pass the test. 15 They only take a !landfill of that 50 percent that pass. 16 Not all the people that pass get the next rank. 17 Q. Gotcha. 18 A. So -- 19 Q. He's got enough awards and stuff that it 20 looks like he — 21 A. They basically awarded him to get I-5, if he 22 makes it. 23 Q. Okay. Good. So, relationship with father 24 improved since your daughter's been born? 25 A. Yes. 10 (Pages 34 to 37) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723319 Page 38 1. Q. Okay. And he's been clean for a while? 2 A. Yeah. 3 Q. Did he just use cocaine or were there 4 other things there too? 5 A. I ]mow there was marijuana — Q. Okay. 7 A. when 1 was younger. But I just heard 8 stories of the cocaine and things like that from, you 9 know, my cousins. They know from their parents. It's 10 just, I've heard about it in the family. 11 Q. Was he using powder or crack or... 12 A. I think cocaine powder. 13 Q. Okay. 14 A. I hope he wasn't doing crack. 15 Q. Did he go to a treatment program or was he 16 just — 17 A. No. He just was able to stop. 18 Q. Stop. Okay. 19 A. Yeah 20 Q. In the extended family any history of any 21 mental health problems, depression, anxiety, 22 schizophrenia? 23 A. My grandmother's brother — 24 Q Okay.. 25 A. I don't know what it's called. I 'mow he has Page 40 1 Q. Okay. But he has been in an institution? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. ni just leave it at that, unknown. 4 Okay. Any history of suicides in the family, 5 immediate, or extended? 6 A Not that, I mean — not that I can think of. 7 I know my, my dad's cousin got really depressed at one 8 point and wanted to commit suicide from what I heard 9 years ago. But I'm not really close with him either. 10 Q. Okay. 11. A I just heard about it. But that I know of, 12 no, nobody that has committed suicide. 13 Q All right Anything else about your 14 family you think would be helpful for me to know? 15 Again that's not a one-time offer, so if something 16 pops up later - 17 A. Yeah, there might be things that pop up later 18 but from what I know, that's a lot of information. 19 Q. Okay. I !mow we covered a little of this 20 when we were talking about the family but I may 21 repeat a little bit here. 22 A. Okay. 23 Q. How was your childhood in general or how 24 would you describe it? 25 A. If I compare myself to somebody else, like, Page 39 a mental disorder to where maybe if you named it, I 2 can — 3 Q. Was he hospitalized? 4 A. He's been in a mental institution. 5 Q. Okay. I mean, they sometimes talk about 6 manic depressive disease, bipolar, schizophrenia, 7 schizo-effective? 8 A. Schizophrenia, what is that, when you're just 9 like - I nlean — 10 Q. There's several different forms of it, but 11 people can become paranoid. They can become what 12 they call catatonic where they don't move and — 13 A. No, I mean, he's — I've met him and he's 14 just — he talks just like you and I, but I know he is 15 diagnosed with something, but I don't know — 16 Q. Okay. 17 A. what it is. 18 Q. Does he have periods where he's different 19 from us and periods where he looks like us? 20 A. You mean acts, like his actions? 21 Q. Uh-huh. 22 A. Yeah. My grandmother says like, he will be 23 fine and he could just lose it and just be like crazy 24 sometimes. So, I don't know if it's bipolar or I'm not 25 sure. I'm not really close with him. Page 41 1 there's this girl, I'm not going to get into it, there's 2 a girl in my school that she told me her life story, and 3 1 was like, wow, and I thought mine was bad. 4 But I mean, it's, it's not been horrible, 5 but there has been some, you know, mental and 6 physical abuse, but it hasn't been, oh, I was 7 traumatized and, you know, things like that. 8 But I mean, some things did affect me, you 9 know, and still to this day I'm hurt from certain 10 things that have happened in my life, you know. 11 Q. What would you say are the things that 12 still affect you? 13 A. Just the way my stepfather mistreated me and 14 some of the mental abuse my father, you know, said to 15 me. It's, basically it's just that part, and just that 1 6 I never felt wanted by either side of the family. 17 Q. Okay. What were some of the things your 18 father said to you? 19 A. Just things Ince you're a fat pig, slob, and 20 you're not going to graduate or amount to anything in 21 life. And your brother is going to be a, you know, 22 architect or a doctor and you're going to be nothing, 23 and just things like that. 24 Q. How old were you when that was happening? 25 A. I was in high school. 11 (Pages 38 to 41) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723320 Page 42 Page 44 1 Q Okay. 2 A. That was probably like my junior — I'm, I'm 3 ballparking it 4 Q. That's fine. 5 A. Junior, senior year. He got fed up with me. 6 Q. Okay. All right Did you have a lot of friends when you were growing up or... 8 A. Yeah. I clung to my friends because that's 9 all I felt I had at that point. 10 Q. How many friends do you have now? 11 A. Friends and acquaintances or close 12 girlfriends? 13 Q. Friend-friends, and then we can talk about 14 friendly acquaintances. 15 A. I have a lot of close friends that I have had 16 since high school and even when I went to daycare. Do 17 you want a number? 18 Q. Sure. 19 A. Okay. Well, let me think. Probably six to 20 eight really dose girlfriends — 21 Q. Okay. 22 A. — that I've known for years. 23 Q. Did any of them go see Mr. Epstein? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. And do you know which ones those were? 1 of my friends in school. 2 Q. And she hasn't gone there? 3 A. Oh, no. 4 Q. No. 5 A. !just met her in school just recently, the 6 school I'm in now. 7 Q. Which school are you in now? 8 A. I'm in cosmetology school. 9 Q. Okay. 10 A. 'mean, we just were talking one day and she 11 just — you know, she's an awesome, amazing person for 12 what she's been through. You know, it's just, I was 13 amazed. And I was hie, wow, and I, I thought that, you 14 blow, my life wasn't that great but to hear your story I 15 feel bad. 16 Q. I know we talked about this a little bit, 17 but when you were growing up, how were you 18 disciplined? 19 A. As in technique wise, as in timeout, hitting, 20 stuff like that? 21 Q. Yeah. 22 A. Hitting, hit, I was hit with a spatula. 23 Q. Asa child growing up, did you act out or 24 get along or what was 25 A. Socially? Page 43 1 A. Give the names? 2 Q. Yeah. 3 A. Am I allowed to do that? Q. I think so. Again, my understanding is is 5 there's orders on name confidentiality, that they 6 are being put as in codes in the transcripts, but I 7 don't know that as. A. I don't — I prefer not to give the names 9 because I really don't know if their attorneys would 10 like me to do that, but I do have friends that have went 11 there also. I have two or three of them. I don't want 12 to, I don't 'mow if I'm allowed to. That's not, I don't 13 know if that's my place to put out their names. 14 Q. Okay. It would be helpful for me but, you 15 know, you have to do what you thinks right. 16 A. Yeah, maybe I will talk to my attorney. 17 Q. Okay. 18 A. I will talk to my attorney first and I will 19 ask her about it and — 20 Q. Okay. When we take a beats 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. Sounds good. The friend you were talking 23 about who had a worse life than you had — 24 A. That's just a friend at my school as of right 25 now. I mean, I'm not close-close to her, but she's one 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 45 Q. Uh-huh. A. When I was in middle school, I actually — I kept to myself a lot. Q. Okay. A. I actually was very shy. Even my freshman year in high school, I was shy. I was inward. I was quiet, you know, people would say things to me. I wouldn't speak out or lash out. I would just let them talk back to me. Q. Okay. A. And probably around my sophomore and junior year is when I started, you know, not letting people =SS me anymore. Q. Okay. What led to the change? A. It could have been a combination of things. It could have been, you know, I've been hurt by so many people and walked all over by so many people, you know, including the Epstein scenario. The whole thing that happened with that, you know, it just, basically I just — I was sick of, you know, being taken advantage of. Q. Okay. What were some your interests when you were younger? What did you like to do? A. I like to draw. Pm artistic. I like to go to movies. What do you mean by younger, as in what age 12 (Pages 42 to 45) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723321 Page 46 Page 48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 frame, like -- Q. What would you consider childhood to be? A. Childhood, probably under the age of like 12, 11, I would say. So, you know, l like to draw and do — 1 wasn't, !was, like I told you, I was like more, I didn't really have a whole bunch of friends when I was younger, you know, childhood. Q• Okay. A. So, I was more to myself and went on the computer and drew and stuff like that, riding bikes, playing with my pets, stuff Lice that. Q. Okay. And as an adolescent then? A. 'liked to hang out with my friends a lot. Q. Okay. And the movies, does that fall under childhood or adolescence? A. Both. I like to go to the movies. i still do. Q. What is your favorite genre? A. As in movie? Q. Uh-huh, or what style or type or... A. I like romantic, comedy. Q. What happened when you were in school in South Carolina? You said that there were threats against you and — A. Basically 1 went to this new school in South 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 throat and things like that. Q. So, the people who were -- A. I was friends with. I was mostly friends with the guys which seems awkward, but none of the girls lilted me. Q. And the girls were in a gang? A. That's what they told me. The guys told me that they were in a gang, Q. Do you know which gang? A. I have no idea. I didn't even — I just wanted to get the hell out of there. Q. I would understand that. Okay. Besides the abuse that happened to you, did you witness any other abuse or -- A. As in with my mother and father a stepfather? Q. Mother, father, stepfather? A. Mental or physical you're saying? Q. Let's start physical? A. No. Q. Mental? A. Mental, I, you know, i mean, l don't know ifl would consider it mental abuse, but my mother and stepfather would get into arguments. I don't remember what it was about. I mean, I know she was self-conscious and he couldn't stand that, and — but I Page 47 Carolina. And i mean, just the girls hated me. 1 2 Q. Okay. 2 3 A. They wanted to cut my hair off, slice my 3 4 throat. They would just talk bad to me, and I would 4 5 just sit there and let them talk bad tome. It was 5 6 just, I don't know if it was a jealousy thing or they 6 7 just didn't like who I was, but I didn't say anything so 7 8 i don't know how they wouldn't like my personality 8 9 because I really was just quiet. 9 10 Q. Okay. Did anything happen that started 10 11 this? i mean, that's not usual -- 11. 12 A. I did, I mean, I became friends with, you 12 13 know, basically I became friends with the guys because 13 14 none of the girls liked me. And Ilumg out with them 14 15 and i mean, they just did not like me. Like even my 15 16 first day, these girls were giving me the nastiest 16 17 looks. I mean, the classroom was sort of, they had 17 18 windows like this, and the girls were just staring at 18 19 me. 19 20 Q. Okay. You said there were threats. Were 20 21 there actual physical, physical altercations? 21 22 A. No, because I left and you know, I left. They 22 23 would -- there was, you know, guys would be like you 23 24 need to be careful because they're all in a gang and, 24 25 you know, they said that they wanted to slice your 25 Page 49 mean, !just, not that I remember. It wasn't something I would pay attention to. I would just walk away. Q. Did you see any abuse in friends or people outside the family? A. Physical? Q. Physical. A. No. Q. Mental? A. I mean, mental abuse is everywhere though. Q. How do you define mental abuse? You actually bring up a good point. A. Just putting somebody down I consider mental abuse. Q. Okay. So, if a married couple had a general fight, you would consider that mental abuse or does it have to go — A. It's a choice of words. As if you don't know what you are doing, you know, you don't know how to clean the house, this, that, and the other, I consider that mental abuse because you're putting somebody down. Q. Okay. I don't think i have directly asked at this point, and again we'll talk about Epstein later, so taking that part right now out of the equation, have you ever been sexually abused? A. No. 4 13 (Pages 46 to 49) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723322 Page 50 Pact'• 52 Q. All right. Okay. Were you raised in a 2 church, mosque, synagogue, house of worship? 3 A. No. It wasn't — they, they didn't become 4 Christian until later on when they were in South 5 Carolina is when they became really religious. 6 Q. And I assuming that is yota mother and 7 stepfather? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Would they consider themselves born again 10 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Okay. Do you attend church now or mosque, 13 synagogue, house of worship? 14 A. Yeah, my husband and I, actually wo were 15 attending church before he left on deployment And we 16 got really close to this couple that brought us into 17 this church. And it was a Christian church. And we 18 were doing really good. And then he left, and I 19 started, you know, I went to Christ Fellowship a couple 20 of times, but it's sort of hard bra-Anse I don't, I don't 21 like to leave my daughter at daycares or random places. 22 Q. Why is that? 23 A. !don't trust people. 24 Q. Okay. Any particular reason why? 25 A. It could be, you 'mow, there is, I mean, 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. !have a dog. Q. Okay. What type of dog? A. Puggle, it's a pug and a beagle mixed. Q. Thank you. Fm trying to imagine what that would look like. A. He's, he's pretty ugly. But I love ugly dogs. Q. And growing up, I don't need to know everything but — A. Everything. Q. Just kind of in — A. I've had — Q. — genera/ what have you had? A. I've had dogs. I've had cats. I've had birds. I've had chinchillas. I've had iguanas. I've had gerbils. I've had fish, turtles. I think that's it, I think Q. Do you get along better with animals than you do people or... A. Yeah. I love animals. 'just feel like they are so innocent. I just feel like they don't, you know, they don't judge you. They don't disrespect you. They just love you. It's unconditional love with an animal. Q. That's true. A. Yeah. Q. I have run into a few cats that I Page 51 little things led up to that. The Epstein scenario 2 could be one of them. I don't trust men at all around 3 my daughter at all. 4 Q. Okay. 5 A. It's, it's more I lean towards men. 6 don't trust any man around my daughter besides, of 7 course, my husband and, you know, my family. But I hut 8 don't trust people. 9 Q. When you say could have been many little 10 things, what else was -- 11 A. Little things as in I just, you ;mow, !just 12 think people, you know, some people have bad intentions 13 and you don't know why, you don't how, you don't they 14 could be normal to you and all of a sudden they do sick 15 things. I just, you know, the Epstein thing could have 16 led up to that, you know, because that just made me not 17 trust guys. And my daughter, God forbid somebody 18 touched her, it would drive me insane. 19 Q. All right. You mentioned pets, what type 20 of pets did you have? 21 A. Throughout my entire life? 22 Q. Sure. 23 A. Or just now? I have one pet now that I have 24 is mine. 25 Q. What do you got now? Page 53 1 thought -- 2 A. Yeah. 3 Q. -- had issues but — and I !mow we talked 4 a little bit about school, but kind of educational 5 history, start with middle school since that sounds 6 like there was a lot going on there. How were your 7 grades? 8 A. I was average. I was never, you know, A's. 9 Well, actually, no. I was in high school when I — I 10 mean, you said start at middle school, but Fm jumping. 11 Q. If you prefer to start in high school, we 12 can start there, wherever. 13 A. It's not that I prefer. It's just, middle 14 school I had average grades. I was Cs, B's, some A's. 15 Fm not 100 percent sure, you know. If you look at my 16 records, Fin not being 100 percent, you know, sure about 17 what it is but I know it was average. 18 High school, I, I took Adderall or, no, I 19 took Ritalin. And I got like almost straight A's 20 when I was taking Ritalin, but I didn't consistently 21 take it So I, I suffered a lot my sailor year. I 22 basically had to go to an alternative school. 23 Q. Okay. 24 A. Because I was skipping a lot my senior year 25 and it started in my junior year and then it led to my 14 (Pages 50 to 53) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723323 Page 54 1 senior year and then I had to — I mean, I did get my 2 high school diploma, but it took me a little bit longer 3 than — 4 Q. Was this a GED or — 5 A. No, it was a high school diploma. 6 Q. — high school diploma. 7 A. It just basically went ova my graduation 8 year. 9 Q. Did you ever repeat a grade? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Were you ever in special education? 12 A. No. 13 Q. Were you ever in any honors programs? 14 A. No. !wish. 15 Q. And how did, you said you went to an 16 alternative school? 17 A. Yeah. It's ERC 18 Q. Okay. 19 A. I think it's called the Educational Resource 20 Center. . 21 Q. Okay. 22 A. It's basically for people in high school that 23 are able to graduate but they need more time because 24 they messed up a little bit. And I graduated and I got 25 my high school diploma. But it wasn't from a specific 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 56 It was either my junior or senior year, ballpaticing it. And I — it was weird. I didn't want to hang out with my friends. I didn't want to go anywhere and that was awkward for me because I was always with my friends. And I was like doing horrible in school. I didn't know what was wrong with me. And you know, I just, my dad was like, you know, why don't you just try Ritalin. Maybe you have some ADD because I know I have it. Your brother has it. And I tried Ritalin, and I mean I started getting awesome grades in school. Q. Okay. A. But 1 jug didn't continue it because it wasn't mine. And !just, I was already almost done with high school, you know. It was whatever. But I went through a really depressed stage. Q. Okay. And you think that was junior, senior year? A. I'm guessing. It was — I know it was junior. senior year. I'm not sure which one. Q. Okay. That's one I would like to try and tie in. Do you use other time stamps or kind of markers l0ce when you got your first car or started driving or — A. Let me think. Page 55 1 high school. It was basically just Palm Beach County's 1 2 high school diploma. 2 3 Q. Okay. 3 4 A. You know, so I wanted my diploma 4 5 Q. Good for you for getting it 5 A. Yeah, I was not getting a GED. I wanted my 6 7 diploma. 7 Q. You said it was for students who had 8 9 messed up a little bit. 9 10 A. —as in -- 10 11 Q. How did you mess up? 11 12 A. I messed up as in skipping. When you have, 12 13 let me try to remember, I think it is ten unexcused 13 14 absences and your grades are, you know, not as good as 14 15 they are supposed to be. And you need to pass the 15 16. exams, and I'm horrible with testing. 16 17 Q. Okay. 17 18 A. So, if I didn't pass those tests and I didn't 18 19 great straight A's for the rest of the year, I wouldn't 19 20 be graduating like I was supposed to. So, I said, you 20 21 know what, I'm just going to go to this school. 21 22 Q. You said you were on and off Adderall. 22 23 What, why was that? 23 24 A. I was actually taking my brother, my brother's 24 25 Ritalin because I went through a really depressed stage. 25 Page 57 Q. Who you may have dating at the time and . , does that — I know I may be jumping the gun there, but we haven't gotten to the relationship issues, so I don't know. A. I'm going to say my senior year. Q. Okay. A. Once again I'm still — Q. You know what, think about it. Have it kind of in the background. When we talk about kind ti of your past psychiatric history — A. Okay. Q. — we'll kind of nail it down there. A. !Dicey. Q. Because I don't want you to — A. Yeah. Q. Okay. Were there any fights in school while you were going? A. As in me fighting somebody? Q. Yeah. A. No. Q. Did you ever get suspended or expelled? A. No. Q. Ever get into trouble for having difficulty with authority figures, teachers, coaches, e li officers? 2° c.,...---.....„—m—,1 15 (Pages 54 to 57 (5 6 1) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723324 Page 58 Page 60 1 A. No. 1 when it's damaged like mine, because I do it so much, it 2 Q. Ever bring a weapon to school? 2 basically seals the bonds of your hair cuticle and makes 3 A. No. 3 it healthy. 4 Q. Have you done any college? 4 Q. Okay. 5 A. No. I want to. I want to take business 5 A. That's at the Q-wave class, which is people 6 classes. 6 have really curly hair and they want it to be straight, Q. And you said you were in cosmetology 7 so when they have spiral curls, they get out of the 7 school? 8 shower and they are not looking like, you know, they got 9 A. Yes. I mean, sane people consider it college. 9 electrocuted. They get the Q-wave and basically it's a 10 Some people just consider it, you know, beauty school. 10 permanent straightener until their hair actually grows 11 Q. Ora trade school or — 11 back out. So, it's easier for them to do their hair if 12 A. Yeah. I mean, I enjoy it, so I would rather 12 they wear it straight all the time. 13 do something I enjoy than something I'm miserable ever) 13 Q. Okay. 14 day. 14 A. So, it's two classes that I took. 15 Q. Okay. How long have you been doing it? 15 Q. You just mentioned Japanese and I was 16 A. Almost a year now. Fm almost done. 16 like — 17 Q. What is the name of the school? 17 A. Yeah, it comes from Japan. It's the Q-wave. 18 A. It's the Academy of Palm Beach. 18 Q. °ceche. Okay. So middle school, you said 19 Q. Are you specializing in any one area of 19 you were average. 20 cosmetology or... 20 A. Yeah, I was average and then high school, 1 21 A. I prefer to do hair and makeup. That's, you 21. mean, I don't, just bad memory-wise. I mean, there is 22 know, they offer facials. I have done facial classes 22 some things I remember and certain things I don't. 1 23 and nails. I was actually going to take permanent 23 mean,1 started skipping my junior and my senior year, 24 makeup also, but I'm going to wait on that because it's 24 which was the worst thing I could have done. 25 really expensive. 25 Q. Okay. And any suspensions, expulsions in Page 59 P.1,,,- - 1 Q. Okay. 1 middle school? 2 A. But hair and makeup is my favorite thing to 2 A. No. 3 do. 3 Q. No. Did you ever see a counselor while 4 Q. And that's a one-year program or -- 4 you were in school, either middle or high school? 5 A. Uh-huh. 5 A. A counselor forjust because, I mean, I went 6 Q. You can do initial ones if you deem — 6 to my guidance counselor my senior year when I went to 7 A. Like, they, you know, cosmetology is basically 7 the alternative school to speak to her about that, if 8 a year depending on, you know, how much you go. Like if B that's what you mean. 9 you're going MI time, it's basically a year. Some 9 Q. Well, there's counselors who do kind of 10 people do day-and-night class, which I can't do that. I 10 career planning or Arturo planning, like, you know, 11 have my daughter. But you can finish in half the time. 11 community college, cosmetology. 12 And they also offer programs where they 12 A. No, I didn't 13 have, you know, people come in specially for certain 13 Q. And then there's counselors who talk 14 programs as in permanent makeup, body wrapping, you 14 about, you know, it looks like you're having 15 know, advanced hair cutting. And you pay extra 15 trouble, you're missing, trouble in home life. So 16 money for those classes. I've taken two other 16 did you do more of the — 17 classes. 17 A. Basically, I basically did the guidance 18 Q. Okay. 18 counselor that covered, you know, this is going on with 19 A. So, I've taken keratin hair straightening and 19 your school, what are we going to do about it because, 20 the Japanese Q-wave (phonetic) class which is -- 20 you know, you want to graduate. These are your options. 21 Q. You've got to help me on that one. 21 Q. Okay. 22 A. Keratin is basically, what's in your hair. 22 A. That's what I went — I mean, I had a teacher 23 That's what your hair is consisted of. 23 that wanted to send me to an art college for — because 24 Q. Right, hair and nails and everything, 24 I was in an class, and he wanted to send me to, I don't 25 A. Yes. You add Keratin back into your hair, 25 know which school it was. He wanted to send my work 16 (Pages 58 to 61) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723325 ?age 62 1 into this school, but I didn't do it. 2 Q. Why not? 3 A. I don't know. I don't know why I didn't. I 4 just it was a piece — it was my senior year, I know 5 that, because it was my art class my senior year, 6 because i felt that shouldn't have been in the class my 7 senior year. But he saw my artwork and he thought it was amazing, and he wanted to send it into a college. 9 And I just wasn't interested at that lime. 10 Q. Okay. What types of jobs have you had? 11 A. I've had lots of receptionist jobs. I've 12 worked at restaurants. i did sales for hair products. 13 I might be missing a couple of things, but it will cane 14 back to me. 1 mean, those are my main things that I can 15 remember as of right now. if things come back to me 16 throughout - 17 Q. You've mentioned several times you've got 18 memory problems. Has that ever been diagnosed, 19 evaluated? 20 A. No, I've never had it diagnosed. I've never, 21 I've never really looked into it myself. I've never 22 mentioned it. i just usually talk about my problems to 23 my therapist. 24 Q. I mean, a lot of things can affect memory 25 such as head trauma, substance use, vitamin 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 64 lice I listen, and I will be sitting there, and I'm lila, what did they just tell me? But I've noticed, you know, Adderall helps that tremendously. When I'm on Adderall, I'm very, like, you know, a sponge and I'm sucking everything in, and i want to just work and do somethingg. But if I'm, you know, other than that, it's just I, I, I go to a job and they explain something and it's like I'm listening, but then I'm like, what did they just say to me? Q. Did you take Adderall today? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. I just -- any other medicines you took today? A. No. Q. So, from the sounds of it, ifs more just, you know, the concentration, the ADD part that you miss things, not that you have memory problems in the sense of traumatic brain injury? A. Traumatic brain injury as in a concussion or something like that, I've never had anything like that. Q. Okay. I'm not sure if it's just, I've never — like I said, I've never had it diagnosed, so I don't know. But i have memory, I have a memory problem, like, I Page 63 1 deficiency. Some people just don't concentrate and 2 area little spacey to begin with. If you had to 3 guess, what A. I mean, I don't 'mow if it can run in a 5 family. I don't know how that works because my 6 grandmother and mother both have — they forget / horribly. 8 Q. Okay. Mother and grandmother, you said? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. And grandmother's forgetting is not like 11 dementia? it's-- 12 A. No, no, no. Ifs like, oh, I forget the last 13 time you called me, things like that. I mean, it's not 14 like I'm like, oh, you know — i just, time frames and 15 things like that, I can, you know, ballpark it, like, 16 you know, you and I have both said. But for me to put, 17 you know, my finger on the exact date, it's hard. I 18 have to sit there and like, like you said, figure out my. 19 car situation, when I got my car, or this, that, and the 20 other. You know. Do you want me to explain this, that, 21 and the other? 22 Q. No. Is it something that's impaired your 23 ability to work? 24 A. There is times when I have had jobs where 25 people will tell me what to do. And I'm just, I act 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 65 mean, I've noticed that, I'm like, people say, oh, you don't remember when we went to Disney World? No, you know, l don't remember that. And I don't know if it's the ADD or it could be something else. I don't know 100 percent But when I'm on Adderall i can focus. Q. Do you remember general facts? A. As in — Q. As in who's the first president of the United States? A. Yeah. I'm just not that intelligent to remember every president there is, but, you know -- Q. Well, there's very few people out there who remember every, you know -- A. Well, d mean, I would — yeah. Q. But what I'm, what I'm, what I'm asking is, is like general things — A. Oh, yeah, i mean, yes, it's not like -- It's not you go off-- It's kind of - -- kind of sophisticated autobiographical, A. Q. A. Yeah, it's not, it's not like, well, I don't know who that is or 1 don't know that, you know, it's not like that. Ifsjust, there are certain time frames in my life that 1 remember. It's not the exact -- I 17 (Pages 62 to 65) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723326 Page 66 1 guess I should say it different. It's not the time 2 frame. Ifs, it's basically what happened. I can 3 remember in around the area, but to put my finger on a 4 date, or exactly when is what I have problems with. 5 Q. Okay. 6 A. I guess you could say. 7 Q. AM again, you've not forgotten tasks that 8 you've learned like how to drive a car or -- 9 A. No, no, not at all, no. 10 Q. And you do okay with speaking or 11 word-finding difficulties or... 12 A. Sometimes, I mean, but I have seen other 13 people do this, so, I mean, but rd be like, oh, my 14 gosh, it's on the tip of my tongue, I can't remember the 15 wont things Ince that I do. 16 Q. Do you think you do that more than the 17 people around you? 18 A. No, it's just — if I, probably when I think 19 about it more, Tm like, oh, I hope I can remember this. 20 And then I go and say it and I'm like, it's really bad, 21 but I can't think of it. But I have had that happen. 22 I've seen other people do it too. I mean, I've never 23 really looked into that, so Pm not really- 24 Q. And again, I think everybody's had that 25 experience -- Page 68 1 Country Club, as a receptionist/hostess/you know, 2 seating them. 3 Q. Have you ever been fired from a job? 4 A. Fired? No, not that I can think of. 5 Q. Why do you usually change work -- and I'm 6 sorry. You were about to say something. 7 A. I'm just — there was another job that I was 8 thinking of. I also worked at a mortgage company as a 9 receptionist, but I don't know the name of it. It was 10 off of Commercial. 11 Q. Okay. 12 A. And you said why did I move jobs so much? 13 Q. Uh-huh. 14 A. Part of it was moving. Most of it was moving. 15 Q. And you were moving so much because -- 16 A. It was just, I didn't have transportation. 17 Like I didn't have my car, when it like, for instance, 18 Steamer's, I worked at Steamer's. And basically my dad 19 dropped me off at work and stuff. I was a freshman. 20 rm guessing a freshman, sophomore, ballparking it. And 21 basically we moved, and then he didn't want to take me 22 all the way over to there. So I didn't have a job for a 23 while, and then I started working at Trade Secret -- 24 Q. Okay. 25 A. — which was at the Wellington mall which is Page 67 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. — once or twice. The question is: h it 3 something that's more 4 A. No, it's not -- 5 Q. — irritating than creating a problem for 6 you? 7 A. No, not that I'm aware of, not that I can 8 think of. 9 Q. Okay. So you said — can you give me the 10 names of some of the places you've worked? 11 A. I've worked at Steamer's which was a 12 restaurant and I was a hostess. 13 Q. Okay. 14 A. I've worked, I've worked at Trade Secret. I'm 15 not doing these in order. I'm just randomly thinking. 16 Q. That's fine. 17 A. Trade Secret which was the sales hair. I sold 18 shampoos, conditioners, flat irons. I've worked at 19 Mazda as a receptionist, sales — I don't know. They 20 tried to get me to do something else there, but I don't 21 remember the name of what it was. Basically just sell 22 the cars on the phones to get them interested to come 23 and look at a car. 24 Q. Okay. 25 A. I worked Mn' stepfather's job, Coral Ridge c.. Page 69 1 next to where I live. 2 Q. Okay. So it was mostly transportation, 3 moving — 4 A. Basically. 5 Q. — is why you would change work? 6 A. Yeah. 7 Q. What's the longest you worked at any one 8 place? 9 A. My longest was, ! think, Trade Secret. 10 Q. Okay. How long were you there? 11 A. A year to two years. I'm not sure. A year, a 12 year-and-a-halt, two years. 13 Q. Olcay. Let me think where I want to go 14 with it here. ever receive any awards or 15 recommendations or certificates of accomplishment at 16 work, or school, or the community, or... 17 A. From what I can remember right now, no. 18 Q. Okay. Ever receive any disciplinary 19 actions at work or reprimands, or... 20 A. I wore jeans to work one time and they got mad 21 at me. 22 Q. Okay. 23 A. That was at Trade Secret, buL.. 24 Q. And I'm assuming it was not casual Friday? 25 A. No. alb 18 (Pages 66 to 69) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723327 Page 70 1 Q. Okay. Have you ever been on disability, 2 welfare, unemployment, SSI? 3 A. I have been on WK. 4 Q. Okay. 5 A. When I had my daughter. 6 Q. Anything else about employment that you 7 think would be helpful for me to know or I should 8 know or... 9 A. rm trying to think. There might have been, 10 mean, some things that I'm missing. 11 Q. Okay- 12 A. For right now, I caret — 13 Q. If anything else comes to mind, just I ct 14 me know. 15 A. Yeah. 16 Q. Wittily history, have you ever been in 17 the military? 18 A. No, my husband. That's it. My grandfather 19 was a colonel in the Army. 20 Q. Okay. And how are you doing being a Naval 21 wife? 22 A. It's, ifs difficult, you know. les really 23 been hard to do something like that because it's not 24 lute yottre together all the time, you know. It's just, 25 it's hard to do it. You have to have a lot of strength Page 72 1. Q. As in important to you? 2 A. Important? five. I'm ballparking it 3 to be honest because this is going to be hard. 4 Q. Okay. So, the first one was your husband. 5 A. Was my husband. It know, it sounds weird, but 6 my husband. 7 Q. What's your husband's name? 8 A. A.O. 9 Q. Okay. And you dated fora while and... 10 A. 'mean, we dated fora little bit, and — 11 Q. A month, two months? :2 A. Like a month, and it was in middle school. 13 Q. Okay. But you have known him since eighth 14 grade? A. Yes. :6 Q. When did you get reacquainted as 17 girlfriend, boyfriend/girlfriend? 18 A. It was not boyfriend/girlfriend. We became 19 really close friends. 20 Q. Okay. 21 A. Probably my junior year in high school because 22 we went to schools together but we didn't talk anymore. 23 Like, it was weird. We just stopped. 24 Q. Okay. 25 A. And then my junior year he approached me and Page 71 1 in order to do that. 2 Q. All right. Well, let's get into the 3 dating relationship side of things. What age did 4 you start dating? S A. Dating? 6 Q. Uh-huh. 7 A. Probably when I was — dating as in 8 boyfriend/girlfriend type of thing? 9 Q. Yeah 10 A. My first boyfriend was actually my husband. 11 Q. Okay. 12 A. But, I mean, we broke up and didn't talk for a 13 while too, so that's -- 14 Q. Okay. 15 A. -- where the other people come in between. 16 Q. How old were you when you first started 17 dating? 18 A. !guess 13. 19 Q. Okay. So that would still be middle 20 school time or... 21 A. Yes, that was like eighth grade I dated. It 22 sounds weird, but I dated my husband in eighth grade. 23 Q. Okay. How many significant relationships 24 have you had? 25 A. What do you mean by satificant, as in yam; Page 1 said, let's drop everything, and let's be friends again. 2 And that's what happened so... 3 Q. Was it a bad break-up in the eighth grade? 4 A. Basically - 5 Q. You said drop everything. So it sounds 6 like there was history or... 7 A. We took each others virginity. 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. That's a lot of information, but I'm sure 10 you're going to ask at some point. We took each other's 11 virginity. And it was just like that. It was like, you 12 know, it hurt me, and ifs just like, he like went out 13 of my life and I was like, wow, what just happened. 14 Q. Again, I need a little clarification 15 there. I'm going to try and — 16 A. Basically, he took my virginity and acted like 17 a guy and just left. 18 Q. Okay. When you said "hurt me," did you 19 mean physically — 20 A. No, just hurt me -- 21 Q. he actually hurt -- 22 A. — emotionally like I was like okay, great. 23 That's, you know, great 24 Q. How long did that bother you for? 25 A. Bothered me for a little while, you know, 19 (Pages 70 to 73) (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723328 Page 74 I mean, when a girl does something like that for the first 2 time and they just leave, it's like, okay. You know, it 3 affects you a little bit. I mean,1— it affected me 4 for like a good year or two. 5 Q. Okay. And help me out here. When you say 6 just leave 7 A. I mean — Q. you mean that exact night, he said 9 thanks, and walked out, and you didn't see him for 10 two or three years or the next couple of meetings 11 were a little awkward and then he just kind of 12 disappeared or... 13 A. Basically, like, I mean, he was there after, 14 but I mean, we still saw each other a couple times 15 afterward but it was awkward and when we just started 16 like not liking each other. 17 Q. Okay. And did this experience take place 18 in a house or car or — 19 A. Yeah, in a house. 20 Q. — in an rush situation or was it -- 21 A. It was house. It was my dad's house. 22 Q. So junior year you said you got back 23 together? 24 A. Not that we got back together. We just became 25 friends again. Page 76 1 Q. Okay. I assume he was stationed up there? 2 A. Yes, and that's why it sort of had to be 3 pushed because of the military. Because the military 4 basically you get BAH, and it helps you out if you have 5 a family, because if I moved there. 6 Q. On base? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. He would have to be living, in, you know, the 10 barracks which is like the ones that the guys that are 11 not married live in on base. And I, what would I do 12 living there. You know. So, basically the military 13 pushed us to get married faster than we really were 14 planning to. Like I mean, I planned my wedding in a 15 ample of weeks. It was a small wedding. 16 Q. So, how long did you date before he 17 proposed? 18 A. let me think. I'm going to say a good, I'm 19 going to ballpark it, between five to six months. We 20 were actually dating because when he was in, you know, 21 basic training in Pensacola and Jacksonville, I would 22 drive and see him every weekend. 23 Q. How is the relationship now? 24 A. Excuse mo. As of — 25 Q. We can get a little water if you like. Page 75 1 Q. Okay. 2 A. And my feelings did come back to where I, I 3 was interested again. He was a good looking guy, so 4 Q. Well, you got married so — 5 A. And had a kid, so yeah, I mean- 6 Q. Did you get married first or have the 7 child first? 8 A. No, we got married first. 9 Q. Married first. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Okay. I thought you had said you had been 12 married for about four years so I assumed — 13 A. No, it's three. Remember I said four, and 14 then I was like, no, three. 15 Q. Right. 16 A. This December my daughter is going to be two 17 in four days, so I mean, it was quick. Everything was 18 quick. He proposed to me in October. Got married in 19 December and moved to Virginia, January. Got pregnant 20 in February. 21 Q. Okay. So, October to December, married? 22 A. October he proposed. 23 Q. Okay. 24 A. December we got married. January I moved to 25 Virginia with him. Page 77 I A. Oh, no, fm okay. It's just — I'm fine. As 2 of now, we are really trying to work on it. You know, 3 marriage is a very hard thing to do. You know, I have 4 trust issues, like I said, with men. Ws hard for me 5 to trust my husband. And if there is no trust, ifs 6 hard to have a relationship. So, I'm trying to get to 7 the point to trust him and become closer with him. You 8 know, we, we got on bad terms, you know, since he's been ` 9 gone. 10 And you know, we've had our previous 11 fights before because ifs also, we're so used to 12 each other and familiar with each other. And, you 13 know, once you're with somebody for so long, you 14 sort of lose respect. Not that you're supposed to, 15 but we're young and we have known each other since 16 we were 13 years old. You know, it's too 17 comfortable. And we're young. And we had a kid 18 really fast, you know, that we weren't ready for. 19 It just happened. 20 And it was a lot of stress on us because 21 when we were in Virginia, there was nobody. It's 22 just me, him, and our daughter. And you know, I was 23 a stay-at-home mom, so I didn't have any friends, 24 and it was really hard on us, and we basically got 25 into it a lot. And I had a lot of trust issues and 20 (Pages 74 to 77) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723329 Page 78 1 I was thinking he was doing things behind my back. 2 And, but now we're really trying to work it out. I 3 ratan, we are doing pretty good the past couple of 4 months. 5 Q. Okay. Is he on a co-ed ship or -- 6 A. I'm sorry? 7 Q. Is he on a co-ed ship or - 8 A. Women? 9 Q. Uh-huh. 10 A. Yes, yes. 11 Q. Do you regret getting married? 12 A. No. I don't regret it. I mean, l feel like 13 everything went really fast Like I would have liked to 14 have been engaged for a while and had a huge wedding and 15 planned it out fora while, and you know, maybe waited 16 to have babies, but I mean, Time my daughter and I 17 would never take her back. She's my world. 18 But I think you should enjoy, you know, 19 your life with your spouse for at least five years 20 before you have kids. But some people, you know, 21 things happen and you just deal with than the best 22 way you can. 23 Q. Has there ever been any issues of domestic 24 violence between you and him either while you were 25 dating or since you got married? Page 80 1 A. No, no, no. 2 Q. Okay. 3 A. This was after my daughter. 4 Q. That's what I thought I just wanted to 5 make sure I got -- 6 A. Yeah, no, no, no. He was actually pretty good 7 when 1 was pregnant. 8 Q. O1*. 9 A. Sometimes. He liked to go out a lot and that 10 1 had a problem with when I was pregnant. 11 Q. Out meaning with the guys or... 12 A. Out with the guys. 13 Q. To bars or softball... 14 A. No, to bars, which l didn't approve of but 15 that's what he felt that he had to do. 16 Q. Are you concerned he has a problem with 17 alcohol? 18 A. I did. I think that be had a problem with 19 alcohol because he likes to drink. He hasn't, from what 20 be's told me, which I sort of believe because when 21 you're on a ship, you don't really have access to 22 alcohol, that he hasn't really had that many drinks 23 since he's been deployed. 24 Q. Okay. 25 A. And plus he is going up in rank, and he can Page 79 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. Did you hit him, befit you? 3 A. There was one encounter where we hit each 4 other. 5 Q. What happened there? 6 A. He I don't remember what the fight was 7 about. But he lost his temper and I threw the phone at 8 hint And he came ova, and, because it hit him in his 9 forehead, and then he cane over and hit me with the 10 phone. 11 Q. Okay. So, you threw the phone at him and 12 then he hit you with the phone? 13 A. Yeah. 14 Q. Okay. How long ago was that? 15 A. That was probably — I'm going to say almost, 16 almost, almost a year and a half ago. I'm guessing a 17 year. I mean, but we discussed it and never again was 18 that going to happen. 19 Q. Were the police called? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Okay. 22 A. It was sort of we just were like, what are we 23 doing? Late this is ridiculous so 24 Q. I want to make sure I've got my time frame 25 right. You weren't pregnant at the time? Page 81 1 get in trouble because people that he is, you know, he 2 goes to a port and if he goes off with people under his 3 grade, you know as in like an 13 and he get drunks with 4 them, he can get in big trouble for that, if he, you 5 know, because the drinking age is 18 in these other 6 places, but you have to be 21 because it's the ship 7 rules not -- you see what I'm saying? 8 So he can get in big trouble if he's out 9 there getting wasted with these other people that 10 he's hanging out with and lose his rank. And he is 11 really good at what he does. With work-wise he is 12 very dedicated to his job. 13 Q. What's his MO or... 14 A. Like what does he do? He is in AO, Aviation 15 Ordinance. He works on the weapons, on the helicopters. 16 Q. Okay. So class he repair it or just load 17 them or both? 18 A. He does both. He is repairing them and 19 working on than, putting than in, stuff like that. 20 Q. Are you worried about him doing that type 21 of work? 22 A. Yes. It worries me because he is working with 23 explosives and, you know, all that kind of stuff. I 24 mean, anything can happen. You know, they don't even 25 let him wear his wedding ring because -- 21 (Pages 78 to 81) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723330 Page 82 Page 84 I 1 Q. It can cause a spark and -- 1 three months, six months? 2 A. I didn't believe him at first. He took me to 2 A. Probably around six months to a year. 3 his job and they actually have a poster of a guy missing 3 Q. Okay. Now old were you when that 4 his wedding ring finger, and this is, it says this is 4 happened? 5 what happens when you wear your wedding ring at work. 5 A. I was 14, 15. Ballparking it again, but I 6 So, I was like, okay. Yeah. So, now I believe what he 6 know it was, you know, around 14 or 15. But he was 7 is telling me. 7 older. He was like 17. 8 Q. I had a grandfather who was an electrician 8 Q. Okay. 9 and didn't wear one for the same reason. 9 A. And I -- 10 A. Oh, yeah. 10 Q. Do you remember what grade you were in? 11 Q. (Inaudible.) 11 Would that be eighth or ninth? 12 A. I understand now. But before I was like, oh, 12 A. No, it wasn't my middle school. it was like 13 sure, Fm sure that's what it is until he showed me a 13 freshman or sophomore. 14 poster and I was, like, oh, all right. I don't want you 14 Q. Okay. 15 coming out like that. 15 A. Thinking more along sophomore. I'm thinking 16 Q. Yeah. Okay. So we talked about him a 16 freshman or sophomore. I don't know, one or the two. I 17 bit. And we have got roughly four others to 17 dated him. But he treated like crap. He cheated on me 18 discuss. So who was the other significant 18 and he got into drugs. And I Imew he was cheating on me 19 relationships? 19 but i still stayed with him. And finally 1 just 20 A. There was 23 couldn't take it anymore and I left him. 21 Q. Olc se low do you spell his last name? 21 Q. Okay. What type of drugs did he do? 22 A. 22 A. He just, from what I know all he did was smoke 23 Q. Okay. 23 pot, but I wasn't really — 'didn't like that. 24 A. I mean, it wasn't anything big. It was for 24 Q. How many times did he cheat on you? 25 like a, you know it was Sun — I think it was, it was 25 A. I have no idea. I really -- ifs not that I Page 83 Page 85 1 after Andy. And I dated him -- it was, I mean -- 1 caught him. I just heard about it all the time. i had 2 Q. A month, six months? 2 random girls call me and I did this with him and — 3 at It was only like a month or two also. It 3 Q. So more than once with one person? 4 wasn't anything — I was young. It was — you know, a 4 A. Him cheating? S month to me at that age was a long time. 5 Q. Yeah. 6 Q. Roughly how old or what grade? 6 A. Oh, yeah, I meant with more than one person. 7 A. It was roughly 14-ish. 7 Q. Right. 8 Q. Okay. 8 A. Yes. 9 A. We just dated and that was basically it 9 Q. Were there any issues of domestic violence 10 There was nothing really major with him. It was just 10 in that relationship, dating violence? 11 one of my relationships. 31 A. I mean, it was like mental abuse, just you 12 Q. Was he roughly the same age? 12 know, things, putting me down and me putting him down. 13 A. Oh, yeah. He was the same age. 13 Nothing physical. 14 Q. Why did you break up? 14 Q. I notice you're coughing a little bit. Is 15 A. Because I got annoyed with him. He just was 15 that, are you coming down with a cold, getting over 16 too clingy. 16 a cold? 17 Q. Oka right. next one? 17 A. No, my daughter had a cough and now 1 have it, 18 A. Do you want his last name? 18 but it's like I've had it fora little bit. It will 19 Q. Yes, ase. 19 go -- I smoke cigarettes, so it really doesn't help 20 A. 20 basically. 21 Q. Okay. 21 Q. Understand that. Okay. Did be have any 22 A. He was like my first like big, you know, like, 22 affiliation with any gangs or any legal problems 23 it was almost like, l don't !mow how long it was, but it 23 or... 24 was a while and I got really attached to him. 24 A. I heard that he went to jail. 25 Q. If we can ballpark that one a little bit 25 Q. Okay. =an 22 (Pages 82 to 85) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723331 Page 86 Page 88 A. Like, but l wasn't talking to him at this 2 point It was like a couple years ago or something. I 3 just heard about it through people. 4 Q. And your, your husband Andy, does he have 5 any run-in's with the law or any problems? 6 A. No. Q. SO tL So after A. =I there was (Spelled last 9 name.) 10 Q. (Misspelled last name.) 11 A. No, (Spelled last name.) 12 Q. Okay- 13 A. !dated him, 'think, I'm pretty sure it was 14 my junior year, my junior year. And 1 dated him for a 15 little bit. But it was probably three to four, five 16 months maybe. 17 Q. Okay. 18 A. AM we just broke up because, I don't know. I 19 just —I don't lcnow, I just didn't really want to be 20 with him anymore. 21. Q. Okay. 22 A. And then there was M a 23 24 25 Q. Okay. A. And I dated him when I was out of high school. 1 respected that. 2 So, I mean I still talked to Andy here and 3 there, but wasn't like anything we used to be, 4 really close friends. And then when I started like, 5 you know, feeling like was cheating on me, I 6 would call Andy to talk to him about it. He was 7 like don't worry about it, don't shees it. You 8 know. It will come out into dnen. 9 And basically the day broke up with 10 me, and I went to Andys house, and, you know, I was 11 crying and he was just talking to me and we became 12 close friends again. And that's basically, you 13 know — 14 the circle. Is there any concerns with 15 David cheating on you? 16 A. David cheating on me? I don't think so. 17 Q. Okay. And then there was -- 18 A. Oh, yeah, yeah. 19 Q. And then 20 A. No, not that 1 know of. No, I don't think so. 21 Q. Okay. 1 want to ask a little bit about 22 sexual history. And again try and be respectful and 23 use medical terms. 24 A. Yeah. 25 Q. Do you prefer men, women, or both. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 87 We probably dated for three or four months, and then he left me. Q. Okay. Maybe hard to know, but do you know why he left or... A. He left because he wanted to party and wanted to get into drugs and I was against, drugs or me, you know, I did not -- it's, ifs not me. I have tried drugs, don't get me wrong, but I'm not going to be with someone that's constantly doing drugs. So, I noticed he started getting into drugs, and I was just like, no, I'm not. I can't deal with this. And I notice he started like side, you know, going off and texting people. And he was older though. He was 26 and I was 18. Q. Were you worried he was cheating on you? A. Oh, yeah. But he left me and I guess he wanted a girl to go party with him and stuff like that, Q. Okay. A. And then basically me and broke up. It was hard for me because I really did like a lot. And Andy, my husband, was basically there for me for the break-up. And that's how we started becoming, you know — because when 1 was dating Ism of stopped talking to Andy because didn't like how close we were. You know. And I understood and Page 89 1 A. Men. 2 Q. Have you ever been with a woman? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Okay. How many times? 5 A. Just one time. 6 Q. Okay. And I know we said we would talk 7 about Epstein separately, but was that one time 8 while you were at Mr. Epstein's or was that one 9 time — 10 A. No, me, me and my friend that went, Cm sorry, 11 me and my friend that went, we didn't do anything with 12 each other. Thank goodness. 13 Q. Okay. Have you done group sex? 14 A. No. 15 Q. Now, I thought I was meant to ask this 16 under employment history: Have you ever worked as 17 an adult entertainer? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Again Epstein issues aside, have you ever 20 worked as a prostitute? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Have you ever engaged in sexual activity 23 or favors for food, shelter, or drugs? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Have you ever been photographed or videoed 23 (Pages 86 to 89) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723332 Page Page 92 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 while engaging in sexual activities? 2 A. You mean, like me and my husband did stuff 3 like that, but it was, like, between us. It wasn't like 4 you know — it was like stupid little things. It wasn't 5 anything like being produced or anything, you know. o Q. Okay. So, you haven't worked professionally in the porn industry? A. No, it was just like, you know, couples 9 together, me and him. 10 Q. Were you married at that time? 11 A. Yeah, l was, yeah. 12 Q. And it hasn't been posted on UTube? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Gone viral, or clip of the week somewhere? 15 A. No, it was just me and my husband. 16 Q. Okay. 17 A. It was just for us. 18 Q. If you need clarification on this 19 question, feel free. Are you into any unusual 20 sexual practices or practices that others may 21 consider unusual such as fetish activities, animals, 22 bondage, S&M, infantilism, defication, urination, 23 cutting, vampires? 24 A. Oh, my gosh, no, no. Just no, no. 25 Q. Okay. And again there's a lot of fetishes 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yea. Q. Okay. have you had issues or experienced men putting fingers in your anus, rectum? A. No. Q. Okay. Have you tried anal sex? A. No. Q. Have you used marital aides or toys with any of your partners? A. Yeah. Q. Which toys? A. Toys as in like vibrators? Q. Vibrators. A. Yeah, just like — Q. Penis rings? A. leez. Q. Lotions, jells? A. Yes, I've used lubricant, motion lotion. 1 mean, just like not — like clit stimulators, you know. Q. Uh-huh. A. Things like that Q. Okay. What age did you first use something like that and do you still use it currently when you're intimate with your husband? A. Oh, man. Basically, I mean, you know, I did things alone with vibrators, you know, when I wasn't Page 91 1 out there. I Gantt name all of them. 2 A. I mean, like — 3 Q. Special clothing? A. No. Just regular, I don't Imow if you want to 5 get into it, but just, you know- s Q. Okay. Have you given oral sex? 7 A. To my husband, yeah. Q. Have you received oral sex? A. From my husband, yes. Q. Okay. Just with your husband? A. Yeah, that's something, that's something, that you know, I feel is — Q. An intimate, personal — A. Yeah. Q. Have you had anybody insert fingers into your vagina? A. Into my jeez, these are some questions. Yeah. Q. Roughly bow old? A. It was, j.. .trobabl f iso . m, from my boyfriend I mean and I mean, wow, these are some personal questions. Q. I blow. I'm not trying to be graphic. A. No, I know. Q. I'm trying to be very matter of fact. 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8. 9 10 11. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Page 93 with anybody. And with my husband is like, I mean, besides Epstein, because Epstein did try to use a vibrator on me. But Epstein aside, the only person that I really used, you know, toy, the toy vibrator with is my husband. Q. Okay. A. But I have used like the lubricant with, probably my boyfriends, yeah, them. Q. Okay. Roughly what age do you think you first used lubricants? A. Probably 15, 16. Q. Put an approximate sign there. A. Okay. Yeah. That's fine. I mean, that's something that I can't put my finger on. Q. I understand there's been periods of separation with you and your husband, him being in the Navy. A. Uh-huh. Q. When you were together in the same location, how is your personal life or your physical intimacy? A. As in when my husband and I come back together or -- Q. Uh-huh, like the last time he was stationed in town or both of you when he came back. 24 (Pages 90 to 93) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723333 Page 94 A. Oh, when he — because he came here and 2 visited, because I actually came here before he went on 3 his main deployment. 4 Q. Okay. 5 A. So, when he came here you are saying how was 6 our sex life? 7 Q. Yeah. 8 A. Well, I was, after 1 had my daughter, I'm not 9 going to lie to you, it, I wasn't interested anymore. I 10 honestly felt be was a chore. 11 Q. Okay. 12 A. And then when he came back to see me, it was, 13 you know, I basically got my sex drive back I guess you 14 could say. 15 Q. Okay. Before your daughter, ballpark, how 16 many times a week or a month would you and your 17 husband be intimate, or a day? 18 A Oh, man. Once or twice a day. 19 Q. And again trying to be matter of fact -- 20 A I understand, yeah. 21 Q. Self-stimulation, what age did you first 22 masturbate? 23 A I didn't even -- I wasn't masturbating. Like 24 I had sex before I even masturbated. Probably when I 25 was 14. Like self-masturbation is what you're talking Page 96 1 A. No. 2 Q. No. Okay. But when you were 3 hypothetically 16, you had seen a 16-year-old? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Okay. 15, a 15-year-old? 6 A. Huh, uh-huh. 7 Q. Somebody within about three or four years? 8 A. Yeah. 9 Q. Okay. I'm trying to think if there is 10 anything I've forgotten. 11 A. No, we have got pretty much everything 12 covered. Ma 13 Q. I'm sorry. One other question, how often 14 a month do you self-stimulate now? 15 A. Oh, my goodness. Probably every other day. 16 Oh, my gosh. This is embarrassing 17 Q. Okay. Would now be a good time to talk 18 about Epstein, or would you prefer to talk about 19 something else fora while? 20 A. It's, ifs whatever you need me to do, 21 whatever you prefer me to do. 22 Q. Well, you just said this was kind of an 23 embarrassing conversation. So I don't know if you 24 wanted to -- 25 A. He's — Page 95 1 about, like me doing it to me? 2 Q. Yes. 3 A. 14,1 guess. Yeah, 14, 15-ish. Q. And there is petting or foreplay with 5 dating. So, I don't know if that's what you were 6 wondering about? 7 A. Yeah, that's what, but, uh-huh. Q. When did that start? 9 A. As in touching each other? 10 Q. Uh.huh. 11 A. I told you, probably like I told you is 12 when I started it. So, what was he — did I tell you my 13 freshman year, I think said. My freshman. I forget, 14 freshman, sophomore year is when I dated him. 15 Q. Okay. Prior to Mr. Epstein, had you seen 16 an adult roan naked? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Had you seen somebody your own age naked? 19 A. Yeah. 20 Q. Your own age male would you say? 21 A. Yeah, I mean, I mean, when you said older 22 man — 23 Q. Adult man, yeah. 24 A. Adult, like so, I mean -- 25 Q. Twenty and older. Page 97 1 Q. — do that now and get it kind of over 2 with — 3 A. Maybe I should -- 4 Q. (Inaudible.) 5 A. Yeah, probably just the — 6 Q. Or would you like to take a break, because 7 it's probably getting close to tape time anyway. 8 A. So, you just want to take a break? I mean, I 9 could smoke a cigarette if you want to take a break, f 10 you say — 11 Q. Why don't we go ahead and take a break? 12 A. Okay. 13 Q. Because I think, you know, they need to 14 change out the tape in a few minutes. 15 A. Yeah. Okay. 16 Q. So, well just stop here. And feel free 17 to grab a cigarette. 18 A. Okay. 19 Q. And if you would like a bottle of water or 20 anything, we can get one for you. 21 A Thank you. 22 Q. Another question I have for you before we 23 turn off the tape is we're going to want to do some 24 kind of fill-in-the-bubble, multiple choice tests. 25 A. Okay. 25 (Pages 94 to 97) (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723334 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 98 Q. And I know you said you took some Adderall 2 this morning. 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Would you like to do one of those when we 5 came back from the break so we don't have issues of 6 it being later in the day and concentration being problematic? A. We can. It's yeah, whatever. Q. Why don't we plan to do that when we come back. I've got two of them. We'll do one which is a little shorter and then we'll talk some more. And then probably have lunch, and then after lunch we may do the second one. A. Second. Okay. Q. And then finish up? A. Okay. Sounds fine. (A brief recess was held from 11:06 a.m. until 11:30 p.m.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Checking audio for Tape 2 in the IME of lane Doe No. 5. This is a remote monitoring. Today's date is the 20th day of November, 2009. I'm your videographer, Sasha Quimby. You're on, Doctor. Page 100 1 Q. Use a soft black leaded pencil make a 2 heavy dark mark in filling in the circles. If you 3 make a mistake or change your mind, please erase the 4 mark fully and then fill in the correct circle. Do 5 not make any marks in this booklet. There is no 6 time limit for completing the inventory, but it is 7 best to work as rapidly as is comfortable for you. 8 And this is a test that they use in 9 multiple situations, circumstances. This is not 10 something specifically for just this case. So, keep 11 that mind when you're answering it. Answer it best 12 you can. 13 A. Okay. 14 Q. If you wouldn't mind filling in those 15 questions there, and then well start on the other 16 side. 17 A. First, second? 18 Q. Two major problems troubling you the most 19 so, what is your first major, second major. 20 A. I see, so, it just goes one through II: Which 21 troubles ma the most - 22 Q. Right. They ask to pick two that troubles 23 you. 24 A. Oh, that's it? 25 Q. Yeah. Fill in the circles that apply in Page 99 1 BY DR. HALL: 2 Q. Okay. we're going to take this time to do 3 a test This is called the MCMI-3, also known as 4 the Milan. 5 The test directions are the following 6 pages contain a list of statements that people use 7 to describe themselves. They are printed here to 8 help you in describing your feelings and attitudes. 9 Try to be honest and as serious as you can in 10 making, in marking the statements. Do not be 11 concerned if a few statements seem unusual. They 12 are included to describe people with many types of 13 problems. 14 If you agree with the statement or the 15 decide that it describes you, fill in the T on the 16 separate answer sheet to mark it true. 17 If you disagree with a statement or decide 18 that it does not describe you, fill in the F to mark 19 it false. Again, T circle is true, F circle is 20 false. 21 A. Understand. 22 Q. Try to mark every statement even if you 23 are not sure of your choice. If you have tried your 24 best and still cannot decide, mark the For false. 25 A. Oka'. 6-5=com 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 101 1 each section. Do not repeat the information page 2 miles you're asked to. We'll fill that in. Use a 3 number two pencil and fill the circle with heavy 4 dark marks. If you want to change an answer, erase 5 it carefully. Do not fill it in. Do not mark 6 outside the circles. Pick the two most troubling 7 concerns for you. 8 A. Okay. Q. Your marital status, Ms. Jane Doe No. 5, what do you consider your race ethnicity, background? A. Me? Q. Right. A. I'm white. Q. Okay. A. limitation. Q. Italian. Okay. (The test was begun at 11:41.) BY DR. HALL: Q. Did you want to take a break or get back into it? A. We can get back into. Q. All right. A. I broke the pencil. O. If that's the worst thin¢ that haooetts 26 (Pages 98 to 101) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723335 Page 102 1 today, it will be a good day. 2 A. Yeah. 3 Q. So why don't we talk about the, the 4 Jeffrey Epstein experience. What, what happened? 5 A. Fran the beginning? 6 Q. Yes, please. 7 A. Okay. Basically I heard from it in high 8 school. I don't know who. I can't put a face to the 9 name. I don't, I just don't remember who said 10 something. Somebody basically told me if you go to this 11 guy's house and give him a massage, you will receive 12 $200. I was like, okay. You know. I was like all 13 right, you know, it doesn't sound bad. 14 You know, at that age you just don't 15 understand, you know, the consequences of what can 16 happen I guess. So, basically, I went with one of 17 my friends. I took a taxi there. And Jeffrey 18 Epstein came to the door and paid for the taxi. 19 Q. Who did you go with? 20 A. ■ 21 Q. Last name? 22 A. M. 23. Q. Okay. 24 A. And Jeffrey Epstein came to the door and gave 25 us the money to give to the taxi. So, we paid the taxi Page 104 1 A. And he was in like sweats, I guess, you know, 2 a sweat outfit. 3 Q Okay. 4 A. And he literally took off his clothes, like, 5 got naked, completely right there in front of my friend 6 and I and jumped in the shower. 7 And while he was in the shower he told us 8 to remove our clothes down to our underwear and our 9 bra. I don't recall if we took off our bra or not 10 because I know he told us to take off our bra, but I 11 didn't feel comfortable doing that. 12 Q. If I can just stop you fora second here 13 A. Uh-huh. 14 Q Did you know you were going to go over at 15 that time? 16 A. I'm sorry, did I know I was going to go over 17 there? 18 Q. Right. 19 A. Yeah, I knew I was going to over there. 20 Q. Where did you leave from, like your house 21 or Dom -- 22 A. I left from my, my house. 23 Q. What time of the day was it, morning, 24 afternoon? 25 A. It was probably afternoon time. I'm guessing. 1 2 3 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Okay. Page 103 and we came back. And IM was at the door. Q. Sorry to interrupt. Mound what time of year was this? How old were you? A. Between 15 and 16, my freshman or my sophomore year. It would be either my later freshman year or sophomore year for sure because 1 was in Wellington High School, which those are the years that I wont there. Q. Okay. A. And -- Q. Now, you took a cab. Were you old enough to drive at that period of time and just didn't have access to a car, or was this before you got your driver's license? A. No, this is before I got my license. 1 got my license when I.was 18. Q. Okay. A. So, we basically paid for the taxi and we went back to the door. And it was M , his assistant Q. Oka L_ A. So, walked us, walked as up to a stairs through his bedroom, into this bathrvan-massage area. And she told us to wait there, that he would be right there. So, we sat on the couch just waiting and Jeffrey Epstein walks in. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 105 s It wasn't night. Q. Was it during the school year or was it in between or — A. I think it was during. Q. Okay. Did you wear any special clothes when you went? A. No, I thought I was giving a massage. Q. Okay. So no one told you ahead of time to wear a certain style or — A. No, I just thought I was going to give a massage. Q. Okay. A. So, basically he was in die shower. He told us to remove our clothes down to our underwear and take off our bra also but I didn't feel comfortable. So I looked at my friend ■. -- Q. Had she been there before or was that her first time? A. No, that was both of our first times. And we don't — Q. I'm sorry. I don't mean to interrupt but it just — A. No. Q. Was it your idea to go or her idea to go? A. Somebody told us about this guy that you give t y y 27 (Pages 102 to 105) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723336 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 19 20 2/ 22 23 24 25 Page 106 him a massage for $200 and we go. And to us at that, you know, we don't have that mentality to, you know, think that something like this was going to happen. We just thought $200 is a lot of money at that age. We're going to go. Q. Okay. A. And so he told us to remove our clothes. And at that point we looked at each other like, this is a little bit awkward. I mean, from when he got naked, we look at each other like, you know, wow, you know, that's really weird, you know. I don't know exactly what she was feeling but I'm sure she went through the same thing I did. I don't want to speak for her but I got really nervous and tense, like I don't understand why this man is telling in to get naked and why he is getting naked as if, you know, this is a massage, you know. So basically, he got out of the shower in a towel and laid down on his massage bed. He laid face down on his massage bed, and then he, !mean he literally removed the towel, layed down and put the towel back over his butt. Q. Okay. A. And you know, he gave us massage lotion and my friend massaged his back while T massaged like his legs Page 108 1 massaging his back. You know, he talked to us. He 2 asked us some questions. He asked how old we were. 3 Q. Okay. 4 A. He asked, you know, how — 5 Q. What did you tell him? 6 A. I told him our age. 7 Q. Okay. So, told him you're 16? 8 A. Fifteen or 16. 1 don't remember exactly what 9 age, but it was 15 or 16. And then he asked about ow 10 school, high school, how we're doing in school and stuff 11 like that. 12 Q. Okay. 13 A. And then I think we asked him what he did. I 14 don't really remember at this point what he said. 15 Q. Okay. 16 A. I'm trying to think what he said. 1 don't 17 remember. Maybe it will come back to me. But so we did 18 that, Fin guessing, for a half an how to an hour. And 19 while he was laying down towards, like, the end of the 20 massage, he started feeling on my friend's leg. 21 Q. Okay. 22 A. And 1 looked at her as in, that's a little bit 23 weird, you know, for him to be doing that, like what's 24 going on. 25 So, she looked at me like I want to get Page 107 1 and his feet. 2 Q. How are you feeling at that point? 3 A. I was very uncomfortable but I was like, okay, 4 maybe it is just a massage. But on another hand I was 5 like why are we down to our, you know, underwear, like, 6 why is it that we're doing this. 7 Q. Did you ever think this isn't a good idea 8 and I should leave? 9 A. Yeah, that went through my mind the entire 10 time. But I was also 15 or 16 years of age and I'm not 11 going to call my parents and say, you know, hey, I'm at 12 my this guys house, come pick me up. I was cared. I 13 didn't know what they would think. 14 Q. Scared of what? 15 A. I was scared of getting in trouble. You know. 16 Q. Okay. 17 A. You know, in a way at that time period, at 18 that age I felt like I was putting myself into that 19 situation. But over the years I've learned that that's 20 basically what he wanted us to feel. That's why he 21 targeted young girls, because they were timid to call 22 their parents and tell them they are at some guys house 23 and he's telling us to get naked. You know. 24 Q. All right. .25 A. And basically I'm massaging his legs and she's Page 109 1 the hell out of here and I looked at her, yeah, you 2 know, we need to get out of here. I don't know how 3 to do this became if the man is capable to get 4 young girls in his house, get them naked, and you 5 }mow, start doing this, I don't know else he is 6 capable of doing. 7 And when you're that young, you know, you 8 don't know what to do. You're in that situation. 9 You know, when you put yourself — like now I can 10 sit here and be like, yeah, I should have done this 11 or maybe I should have done that. But when you're 12 in that particular situation, you really can't 13 figure out what to do because you feel stuck. 1 14 mean, he was an olderman. 15 Q. Not to sound fimnry but 16 A. NO, go ahead. 17 Q. He's capable of getting a young girl and 18 getting them naked, I mean, he didn't ask you to 19 come, did be? 20 A. No, he didn't ask me to come, but he was 21 soliciting in a high school and saying it's a $200 22 massage. 23 Q. Okay. How do you know he was soliciting 24 in the school? 25 A. Because I've heard of many girls that went and 28 (Pages 106 to 109) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723337 Page 110 1 did it. And he says — at the end of the story, I'm 2 going to tell you, he said if you bring somebody back 3 and tell them its a $200 massage, l will give you $400. 4 Q. Okay. Did he specifically tell you the 5 person you bring back should be somebody from high 6 school? 7 A. He just said any, you know, anybody that you 8 know, any of your friends. 9 Q. Okay. 10 A. So — basically. 11 Q. And when he asked you to take off your 12 clothes, he asked. Did he threaten? 13 A. He didn't threaten but when you're that 14 young — 15 Q. Did he raise his voice? 16 A. No, he didn't raise his voice, but it's 17 intimidating when you're that young and he is that old. 18 It's intimidating. 19 Q. Again, not to sound funny, but if any old 20 man carne up to you and asked you to take off your 21 clothes, would you do it? 22 A. Not on the street or anything like that. But 23 when you're actually in that situation at his house, and 24 you're scared of what could happen if you possibly 25 declined what he was saying, yeah. You know, you have 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 :5 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 112 somebody asked you for something and you said no and they got violent? A. I'm not — I mean, not like that situation. But I mean, I've had, like, you know, 1 told you about my stepfather and stuff like that that he would get upset with me. 'don't know if that is why I sort of gave in because of my past experiences of getting in trouble so much with, you know, my father and my stepfather and all that. It was sort of intimidating for me. Maybe that was why. But from me, I'm speaking for myself, nobody else, that's maybe why I sort of went through with it that I was scared that something was going to happen that was worse than what was going to happen. I mean, I had no idea what to think. Q. And you said that you had heard about this at school and that other girls had done this? A. Yes. Q. Had you heard of any of them having any violence, any problems? A. Well, I heard of, this was after the fact that I did when I heard about like people doing this. Before some girl mentioned to me about — the fast time I heard about it was the rust time I ever even heard of his name or anything. Page 111 1 to be in that situation. You know, I mean, any random 2 old man that came up to me and said, hey, take off your 3 clothes, no, I wouldn't do that. 4 But I was in that situation to where I was 5 at his house with no money, took a taxi there. I 6 had a phone but I'm scared to call my parents. Now, 7 what am I supposed to do? I mean, what if I walk 8 out and he starts getting violent with us. You 9 know. We're young. Our mentality isn't that it is 10 today. You know. Today maybe it would have been 11 different. When you're that young — 12 Q. Okay. Tell me, why were you worried he 13 could get violent? 14 A. Why because he is capable of having young 15 girls at his house. Its sick, its — if — 16 Q. I'm not sure how one necessarily directly 17 correlates to violence. 18 A. I'm sorry. That what? 19 Q. Just because he had young girls at his 20 house, how does that make him prone to violence? 21 A. Because if you decline somebody, they could 22 get violent as in if you said no, there is a possibility 23 that they can get mad or upset. They want what they 24 want. 25 Q. Okay. Did that happen to you before where 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 113 Q. And you don't remember which girls it was? A. I have no idea. Q. What she looked like? A. I really have no idea. Like, I don't remember. Q. Same class, same age, did you know her, not know her? A. I think I was acquaintances, but I don't if' I was close to her, I would have remembered her. I really don't know. Like I have been asked this before, I really could not remember. Q. Okay. A. I really don't. Q. Do you think ■. would remember? A. I've asked her, but she doesn't remember either. I mean, I've asked her if she has, and she said — I've asked her to give the answer, but I don't rent Q. Okay. So, he's grabbing her. A. Yes. He starts grabbing her on her leg, on her butt. Q. Okay. A. And at this point, at this point we're very uncomfortable, you know, from us taking our clothes off, from him taking his clothes off, to now he's touching 29 (Pages 110 to 113) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723338 Page 114 1 her. It scans like it's escalating, you know, and we 2 were scared. We didn't know what to do. So then, you 3 know, he was touching her for a while and fondling her 4 and you could see it in her face that she was very 5 uncomfortable. So then he flips over. 6 Q. Did either of you ask him to stop? 7 A. There was a point what I go through the 8 story, there's points where I told him to stop, yes. 9 Q. Okay. But just at this point — 10 A. At this point we didn't -- 11 Q. He said take off your clothes, you didn't 12 say stop? 13 A. When you're in the moment of what's going on, 14 it's not like you're siding there and like, okay, you 15 know, what should I do right now, what's the good thing 16 to do. You're that young. You're not thinking at that 17 level. You know, it's not like you could just — 18 Q. You're, you're 15, 16, so Pm mean - 19 A. Yeah, but you're not — 20 Q. — Ws not like you're eight? 21 A. No, it's not like you're eight. 22 Q. You know, l mean — 23 A. It's also like you don't have the mentality 24 that I would now. 25 Q. Fair enough. But at the same time, did Page 116 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. Okay. So, touching your friend's leg, I 3 think you said he turned over? 4 A. Ub-hub. 5 Q. Okay. What -- 6 A. Started turning over and then he started 7 masturbating. 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. So at this point I just, !wanted to get out 10 of there. I really did. I stood behind my friend 11 Q. Okay. 12 A. And he basically liked his nipples to be 13 played with. So, he basically took my friend's hands 14 and put them on his nipples. And I was behind her and I 15 was litre whispering to her like, we need to get out of 16 here. This is crazy. Like I don't !mow what to do. 17 So, you know, he is masturbating and she's 18 touching his nipples. And you know, he's, doing his 19 thing with breathing all heavy. And I basically 20 just wanted to get out of there. And we didn't know 21 what to do. And then he starts, you know, fondling 22 her with his hand while he's masturbating, and he's 23 trying to go in her panties and — 24 Q. Okay. Sony. I don't mean to get 25 graphic, fondling her, touching her chest? Page 115 1 you ask him to say, no, I don't feel comfortable 2 taking my clothes off? 3 A. Yeah, I did tell him at one point 4 Q. Was that the first time you went and he 5 first asked -- 6 A. When he went to touch me, I told him I didn't 7 feel comfortable. 8 Q. Okay. And again, when you, when he asked 9 to take off your clothes, did you say I'm not 10 comfortable being down to my underwear? 11 A. No. 12 Q. No. When he first started touching your 13 friend's leg, did either you or your friend say, 14 please, don't touch me there? 15 A. No, but we did start getting uncomfortable. I 16 mean, we're in that situation. We have to figure out 17 what to do. When you're in that exact situation, as 1 18 said - 19 Q. Okay. 20 A. — it's hard to sit there and 21 Q. No, I'm just trying to figure out what you 22 actually did at each point. 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. Pm not trying to pass judgment. Pm just 25 tying to understand. Page 41 1 A. Everything, touching her breasts. He was 2 touching her vagina. 3 Q. Did she still have her bra on at this 4 time? 5 A. 6 Q. 7 A. 8 this. 9 Q. Did she take it off or did he take it off? 10 A. I think she took it off. 1 don't, honestly I 11 don't1010w. I'm not going to say specifics. I don't 12 remember that. 13 Q. Well, specifics are helpful here so -- 14 A. I understand specifics are helpful. I just 15 don't really t wieldier that Like, I will tell you as 16 much as I remember. I just don't remember that exact 17 thing. 18 Q. Your best recollection, though, is she had 19 her bra off at this time? 20 A. Yes, fm pretty sure. 21 Q. Do you think she took it off herself? 22 A. I, I, think so. 23 Q. Okay. 24 A. I mean — 25 Q. Did you still have your bra on? I don't think she had her bra on at this time. Okay. I don't — everything went so fast during J 30 (Pages 114 to 117) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723339 Page 119 Page 120 2 3 5 6 B 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16. 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. Okay. You're standing behind her? A. Pm standing behind her and that's when whispered, I said we've got to get out of here. Q. Okay. A. And she's just, like, I know. Q. And he was touching her down below as well? A. Yes. Did she have her underwear on? Yes. Q. A. Q. Okay. Could you see him touching her? A. Not that I saw him exactly. I mean, I knew he was touching her because I could see his hand down in that area. But it was like I saw from the front. Q. But you couldn't see his fingers, exactly where they were? A. No. Q. Or if they were on the outside of the tmdensear? A. Yeah, I couldn't really tell. Q. Okay. A. And basically, you know, she was saying she felt uncomfortable. And that's when we started to say this is not right; Pm uncomfortable. 1 out a vibrator. 2 Q. Okay. So, the first time you went, it was 3 two of you. He touched you on the outside of your 4 underwear? 5 A. He tried to go in my underwear also. 6 Q. Okay. 7 A. But I told him, like, no, like I don't feel 8 comfortable. 9 Q. Okay. 1 0 A. So then he pulled out a vibrator. 11. Q. So when you told him don't go inside, he 12 stopped doing that? 13 A. He didn't completely stop. He kept 14 persisting. I kept saying, no, I don't feel 15 comfortable. No, I don't feel comfortable. And he 16 just, just let it go, just let it happen. Just let it 17 go. That's what he kept saying to me. 18 Q. Okay. 19 A. And I was like, I don't feel comfortable, 20 stop, please. And he would, kept persisting and then he 21 reached over and got a vibrator. 22 Q. Okay. 23 A. So basically he tried to use the vibrator on 24 me and her. At one point I was just like, okay, maybe 25 if I just like, let it happen it could just be over Page 119 1 Q. She said that to him? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Do you remember what she said? 4 A. Well, when I — basically he started doing it 5 tome. 6 Q. Okay. Now, are you still standing behind 7 her? 8 A. Yeah, basically but he was reaching over and 9 pulling me to the side of her. 10 Q. Okay. 11 A. So, I was uncomfortable. And he basically was 12 touching me in, you know in my private area, vagina. 13 And — 14 Q. On the outside of the underwear? 15 A. The outside. 16 Q. Okay. 17 A. And I told him to stop numerous times. I 18 said, stop, I feel uncomfortable. 19 Q. Okay. 20 A. The thing he kept repeating to me is just let 21 it go, just let it happen, just let it go. 22 Q. Okay. 23 A. And I just kept saying, you know, I don't, I 24 don't really feel comfortable. This is not comfortable 25 for me. The same scenario happened. And then he pulled Page 121 1 with. I want to get out of here. So I stopped talking 2 fora second, and I let him put it there. And then I 3 decided, I couldn't do it. I was like, I don't feel 4 comfortable doing this. I really don't. And he kept 5 persisting again. He just kept saying the same thing to 6 me which is the one that replays through my mind all the 7 time, just let it go, just let it happen. 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. And the same situation happened with He 10 tried it with her. He kept persisting and persisting. 11 Q. Okay. Now, were you still standing right 12 next to the table? 13 A. It was like before in the beginning it was me 14 and her. I was behind her like this. And then he son 15 of pulled me like, sort of like this with her. 16 Q. Okay. How forcefully did he pull you? 17 A. He like grabbed me and pulled me to the side. 18 It wasn't like he was jerking me over to the side, but 19 he pulled me over to the side. 20 Q. But I'm just trying to get an image of 21 this in my head. So, he's laying face up on the 22 table? 23 A. Well, he's on the table like this, but he is 24 like this. 25 Q. Okay. So he reached over — 31 (Pages 118 to 121) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723340 Page 122 A. He reached over. 2 Q. One handed? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. And moved you over? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Okay. Did you resist? 7 A. I was pulling, l %V8S nervous and I was pulling 3 away but he just kept, come over here, da, da, da. So, 9 I did. 10 Q. Okay. So, and again, and I'm not trying 11 to blame or I'm just trying to get a sense of, he 12 had his hand on, applied force to move you? 13 A. He did apply force because I sort of resisted 14 like, uh-huh, I don't want to do this. And he, come on, 15 pulled me over. 16 Q. But you did step, walls, it wasn't just his 17 force alone that moved you? 18 A. Yeah. 19 Q. Okay. Did you have any bruising? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Okay. And when he was touching you with 22 the vibrator at any time did you step back? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. Okay. 25 A. And he pulled me back forward. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 124 A. No, I told — you know, !told him like i don't feel comfortable. i don't want to do this but I didn't, you know, physically say, hey, I want to leave. Lace I just said, I don't want to do this; i don't feel comfortable. Q. Okay. Was this — what happened after he ejaculated? A. Basically he ejaculated. He cleaned himself up and then, you know, he spoke to us and said, you know, you bring a girl back that you know that's one of your friends, and I will give you 400 and you tell her ifs a massage and, you know, I will give her 200. Q. And that would mean he would give you 400 meaning whoever — A. If I brought — Q. You bring her — A. — a friend, l get 400. Q. You get 400. A. And the friend I bought would get 200 and he would do the same thing with her. Q. Okay. Did you bring anyone? A. No. Q. Okay. What happened after you left or how did you leave actually since you said you aunt — A. By the taxi. The taxi gave me his card. So, Page 123 1 Q. He would grab you with the same level of 2 force? 3 A. He was just like come here, and he pulled me 4 forward. 5 Q. Okay. One handed while he's still on his 6 back? A. Yes, yes. a Q. And he didn't use force to the point of 9 causing bruising? 10 A. No. 11 Q. All right. 12 A. And basically he, same repeated thing of what 13 I've been telling you, the touching, the vibrating. And 14 then he ejaculated. And me and my friend felt disgusted 15 and just wanted to leave. 16 Q. At any time did you feel that your life 17 was threatened? 18 A. i felt my life was threatened when I wanted to 19 leave and he kept, you know, pulling me closer and 20 pulling me. Like I wanted to leave. I wanted to go and 21 leave. And I thought my life would probably be in 22 danger if I said I wanted to go and I didn't want to do 23 this, yes. 24 Q. Okay. So you wanted to leave but you .25 didn't tell him you wanted to leave? ‘nusama---. Page 125 1 we got the taxi and he gave us the money and we left. I 2 paid the taxi with my money. 3 Q. Did you have any money on you when you 4 first left or first went to the house? 5 A. No. 6 Q. What did you do in the taxi? 7 A. I just talked about how disgusting i felt. 8 Q. Okay. And what did say? 9 A. She said the sant thing, that she couldn't, 10 she didn't understand why that happened, and why they 1 didn't tell us that it was that, and that it wasn't just 2 a massage. 13 Q. Okay. You said that they didn't tell us. 14 Was it one girl that approached you or 15 A. Well, I'm guessing it was one person. It was 16 one person but I don't — 17 Q. Okay. Did you go back? 18 A. 'went back, but I didn't go upstairs. I 19 didn't go — it wasn't like I wanted hi go. I was in a 20 car and these girls wanted to go and i didn't want to go 21 with them, so I sat in the kitchen. 22 Q. Okay. And who were the girls that went 23 that time? 24 A. and (phonetic). 25 Q. Okay. And the same? PROSE COURT 32 (Pages 122 to 125) REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723341 7 4 5 6 1 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 126 A. Yes. Q. And what is her last name again? A. M. Q. And which is M? A. Q. All right. around your age, younger or older? A. She was, yeah, she was in our grade. I don't talk to her anymore. Q. Was that first time? A. Yes. Q. How did she know about it? A. I don't know. I didn't even talk about it. I just went them and I sat in the kitchen. I really didn't even want to go. Q. Did bring her or — A. Yeah, . brought her but I didn't go up. I didn't didn't— Q. So M. got 400 for bringing her? A. I guess. I didn't I have no idea. I didn't even want to be there, but I was with them. Q. Did M. tell her what to expect? A. I have no — honestly, I don't even know. I just was with them. I don't know if she talked to her previously. I didn't even know we were going there. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 128 Q. Okay. And why didn't you take them up on the offer of dropping you off? A. They, they were driving. I wasn't. They wouldn't drop me off because they were already headed that way, because they wouldn't tell me where we were going to go. Q. All right. So, they wouldn't like, stop at the gas station, let you get out and come back and get you in an hour or A. They just — we didn't even think of that. I just didn't want to go. I told them to take me home. Q. Okay. So, when you said, you know, drop me off, you meant drop me off at home? A. Yeah, take me home. Q. Okay. Were you angry at them? A. I was upset, yeah. Q. Okay. A. And I was really disgusted at for going through with what she was doing because I just told her exactly what happened, because I wish I would have known that because I would have never did that. Q. So, you did tell exactly what happened? A. Yeah, I said it's not just a massage, It's worse than a massage. He is going to Page 127 1 Q. Okay. And did you tell what to 2 expect once you found out you were going there? 3 A. I told her not to go. I said you don't want 4 to do this. I'm tolling you right now. 5 Q. What did she say? 6 A. Oh, she's, she's out there. But she didn't 7 care. So, I wish somebody would have told me Mine I 8 did that. 9 Q. So, ! mean you had a frank conversation 10 With her, don't go — 11 A. Well, because when they told me where we're 12 going, I was like 13 Q. This man is going to masturbate - 14 A. -- I don't want to go there. And is, 15 lIke, oh, whatever, dude. That's how she talks. Oh, 16 whatever, dude, I don't care. I want the money. I'm 17 like, I'm telling you, it's traumatizing. You don't 18 want to go there. I don't want to go there. Drop me 19 off. 20 Oh, no, we're going to go there 21 regardless, da, da, da. I was like I don't want to 22 go. I don't want to go. And then I sat in the 23 kitchen. And I, that was all. I was like you do 24 what you want. I'm telling you right now it is not 25 good. Page 129 1 try to do thing; to you. 2 Q. Okay. 3 A. So I, I tried to tell her but whatever. 4 Q. And again I want to make sure I'm clear. 5 You didn't get any money when came? 6 A. No. I wasn't, I didn't want to be involved. 7 Q. Did you go back any more times? 8 A. No. 9 Q. No. 10 A. No. 11 Q. So, you only went twice — 12 A. I went the one time and did that for the first 13 time that I had no idea what was going on. And the 14 second time it wasn't like I went there on, you know, 15 myself intentionally. It was like I sod of just was 16 there. 17 Q. Okay. 18 A. And I didn't want anything to do with it and I 19 sat in the kitchen. 20 Q. What happened while you were in the 21 kitchen? 22 A. Nothing. I seriously just sat there and 23 talked to the chef, which I found out the chef was an 24 undercover agent or undercover FBI or whatever they 25 were. 33 (Pages 126 to 129) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723342 Page 130 Page 112 1 Q. So - 2 A. That's from what I heard. 3 Q. And help me there with "what I heard," 4 meaning from other people in the school or — 5 A. That's what I've heard -- 6 Q. — basically the news -- 7 A. That's basically — they had some somebody 8 investigating him and it was a chef that was undercover 9 and stuff Ile that. So, I don't — it's not like for a 10 fact. I don't know. 11 Q. Do you remember what you talked to the 12 chef about? 13 A. 'think, I believe his cooking to be honest 14 with you. It wasn't like I was, like, having a huge 15 conversation. I just was sitting there and I talked to 16 him about other, food. 17 Q. And, yeah, I was just curious, I mean, was 18 it food or this is an odd situation, or I'm 19 surprised I'm back here or just — 20 A. I was — it was just everything. I didn't 23. want to be there. 22 Q. Okay. Did you use any drugs or substances 23 when you went the first time? 24 A. No. 25 Q. When you went the second time did you use 1 Q. Okay. 2 A. But I, I was scared. I didn't want people to 3 find out. 4 Q. Okay. What do you mean by scared? 5 A. I'm sorry? 6 Q. What do you mean by scared? Scared 7 like — Es A. !just didn't WWII people to find out. I 9 just — it was — I didn't like — I felt like it was a 10 traumatic experience for me. I felt disgusting. I 11 felt, you know, taken advantage of. I felt like, I 12 don't like to third( about it, and I didn't want to 13 re-live it I didn't want my family to find out. I 14 didn't want anybody to know. 15 Q. Okay. So, you didn't talk to your mom 16 about it or... 17 A. I mean I did after years passed when I became 18 more, like, you know, an adult. But in the beginning, 19 no, I didn't tell anyone. 20 Q. Was this before the police started 21 investigating or after the police were investigating 22 that you talked with them about it? 23 A. I think it was a little bit like, probably 24 like a year before I spoke to her about, until the 25 police, FBI contacted me. Page 131 1 any drugs or substances? 2 A. Unh-unh. 3 Q. Did you use any, excuse me, after the 4 first time or the second time? 5 A. Maybe right after you're talking about? 6 Q. Yes. 7 A. No. 8 Q. What was the worst thing that happened 9 while you were there in your mind? I mean, I heard 10 the story, and as you said I can only say what — 11 A. What as the worst thing, experience? 12 Q. What was the most distressing, worst — 13 A. The worst feeling? I felt stuck, that I 14 couldn't get out of the situation. 15 Q. And in terms of physically what happened, 16 what was most distressful for you? 17 A. Being taken advantage of. 18 Q. Okay. Were you dating anyone at this 19 time? 20 A. I don't Mink I was. 21 Q. Did you tell anyone about this? 22 A. No. I felt, I felt ashamed. 23 Q. Okay. Did you consider going to the 24 police? 25 A. I thought about it. Page 1 -' 1 1 Q. I'm — I just want to make sure I got that 2 straight. You spoke with her a year before the FBI 3 contacted you? 4 A. Ufthuh, about, I'm just saying, like, Pm 5 approximating like - 6 Q. Yeah. 7 A. -- spoke to her about it and talked to her 8 about what happened. 9 Q. But definitely before they contacted you? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Okay. What was her reaction? 12 A. She asked, she asked me what happened. Sat me 13 down, and, you know, how did you get there, same thing. 14 How did you get there. Why did you feel like you 15 couldn't leave? Why wouldn't you call me? I just told 16 her, !said, you know, I was scared. I was scared you 17 guys wore going to be mad at me for even going there. I 18 mean, you're at an old man's house and you — I just 19 thought it was a massage, but it was, it was scaly. I 20 mean, yeah, you say like, yeah, I was 15 or 16, it 21 wasn't like I was eight. But still at that age, you 22 didn't have the mentality that you do today. 23 Q. What was the different mentality? 24 A. I probably would have just tried to get up and 25 leave or got in my car and left because I, you know, now 34 (Pages 130 to 133) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723343 Page 134 1 I'm aware of, okay, ifs wrong. Okay. Pm not going to 2 get into trouble because I didn't know that it consisted 3 of this. 4 But at this point I was like, wow, Pm here. !thought it was a massage but it's more. My 6 parents are going to think that I knew it was more. 7 It's, it's, you're scared. You're frightened. 3 You're young. 9 Q. Just so, scared of parents finding out and 10 what your parents would think? 11 A. Exactly. I mean, l felt disgusting 12 Q. How long did you still feel disgusting 13 for? 14 A. I still feel taken advantage of to this day on 15 that whole situation. Like i don't like this whole 16 situation because I have to re-live it. i try to block 17 it out. 18 Q. Oby. Did you consider not filing a 19 lawsuit or not joining the lawsuit? 20 A. Did I consider it as in I didn't want to do 21 it? 22 Q. Yeah. 23 A. I think in the beginning, yes, I didn't know 24 what I wanted to do because I knew if I went through 25 with this, that I would have to re-live everything Page 136 1 imagine. 2 Q. And how is that past trauma carrying over 3 to you today? 4 A. Like I told you, my daughter, I don't trust 5 men around her whatsoever. i don't trust men. You 6 know, I have flashback& You know, sometimes during my 7 husband and I have sex, there is like, since I have been 8 re-living this image of him doing his, you know, thing, 9 comes into my mind. it's disgusting. 10 Q. Okay. So, when you say flashbacks, you 11 mean you have a mental image? 12 A. I mean I have a mental image of what he did as 13 when he was masturbating and stuff like that. 14 Q. Okay. Do you ever physically feel as if 15 it's reaming, that you're beck in that time? 16 A. I don't physically feel like that, but 17 mentally it goes through my mind and it disgusts me. 18 And I just, it grosses me. it disgusts me. I don't 19 like tore-live that. 20 Q. The issue with men, can it be related to 21 anything else? 22 A. Could it be related to anything else? I mean, 23 you know, my stepfather did what he did, but it's not 24 like I didn't, not Dust him. When I stopped trusting 25 men was, like, you know, my sophomore-junior year is Page 135 1 went through. 2 Q. Okay. 3 A. Like these, I don't enjoy. I don't enjoy it 4 in any way. 5 Q. I don't think anybody does. 6 A. No. I don't think anybody does either. I 7 just didn't know if I wanted to put myself through all 8 this again. 9 Q. What made you change your mind or decide 10 to go one way or the other? 11 A. I just feel like in the beginning I wasn't 12 going to do it I was like I don't know if I want to 13 deal with all this, you know, because I know it's a lot 14 of, you know, stress going back into the details, and 15 re-living the entire thing, and, you know, bringing it 16 back out, which I didn't want to do. 17 But I was, like, you know what, what he 18 did was wrong. And he needs to be punished for it. 19 !don't think what he did was right Like I was 20 traumatized from this experience in my life and he 21 just got nothing. He just did this to all these 22 girls and he's fine. It's not right And Tm sure 23 I'm not — I'm only one of the many girls that he's 24 probably traumatized. And Pm sure there's, you 25 know, so many girls that are just -- I can't even Page 137 1 when I just was like all men are disgusting. They all 2 just want sex. They'll lure any woman in or girl in to 3 get it any way they can. 4 Q. I think i forgot to ask this specifically. 5 You said you had five significant relationships. 6 How many sexual partners have you had? 7 A. All the relationships that I have told you is 8 my sexual partners. 9 Q. Okay. So there is no other additional 10 sexual partners out there? It's just those? 11 A. Those, yes. 12 Q. Okay. 13 A. Uh-huh. If I think of anyone else, I will let 14 you bow, but I'm pretty sure that's it. 15 Q. Okay. No one-night stands and casual sex, 16 no key parties and things like that? 17 A. No. 18 Q. !think they were a lot bigger in the 19 '60s. 20 A. Yeah, that's — I was, I was after that time. 21 Q. Okay. All right. What else? 22 A. I mean, just basically I mean, it affected me 23 and I just, I get upset with the fact — this is what 24 upsets the most is that, you know, he got away with 25 doing this. You know, everybody has their own opinion 1........40,646.4.1......}•••••••pe , EIF 35 (Pages 134 to 137) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC.. EFTA00723344 1 2 3 4 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 23. 22 23 24 25 Page 138 of what they think, but you have to actually re — you know, live that and go through that to judge how we actually felt and mentally went through our mind. You know, you say we could have just got up and left. But it wasn't that easy when you're in that situation. It's harder. You know, there's a ton of things running through your mind, and you don't know what to do. You're scared. You don't want to call your parents. You're scared they are going to get mad at you for being there. It's — you Just feel disgusting. You know, it's not like I intentionally put myself in that situation. Like I know I was going to his house to do what I did. I did not know anything about that. And if I did, I would have not have gone and thats that. Q. Did you think it was odd that somebody was willing to pay $200 for a high school student who wasn't certified, trained, taught on how to do a massage? A. Did I think it was odd? I mean, it crossed my mind like, hum, this is weird. But from what this person told me, I thought I could trust what she said, so — Q. Okay. And I know you said you have no 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 140 A. It was M. Q. And when you mean "her," you mean your Isnot A. Yes, my attorney. Q. I don't want to know anything you — A. Yeah. Q. said in between but just — A. No, yeah, my, my attorney. She said I could tell you. Q. Only if you're comfortable. I don't want to know attorney-client information. A. Oh, yeah, that's fine. Q. Okay. A. M. Q. How do you spell the last name or best guess? A. I think it's Il.(Last name spelled.), I think. Q. Okay. A. , which you have her name. • which you have her name. And then Q. I'm sorry, B or A. M • (First name spelled.) Q. Okay. A. M. (Last name spelled.) Q. Thank you? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 .25 Page 139 memory — it's just hard for me to believe that you wouldn't remember who told you that even after the fact because it was such a bad experience for you — A. Yeah, Fin not -- I really don't. Q. -- that you would have been lice, wow, I can't believe that person did this to me. A. I am. Q. I'm angry at them. I want to kick their butt. A. I know what you're saying. Q. Dm not sure — A. But I, honestly! have been trying to figure it out because everybody has been asking me and I really don't -- I cannot (inaudible) about it. Q. I mean, this person could have been sitting next to you in school the next week, and -- A. I, (don't -- Q. — you wouldn't have — A. I mean, it would have but I just, today I cannot picture. I don't know who it was. Q. Okay. Earlier I asked you if any of your friends had gone. And you said there were a few but you — A. Yeah, I, I spoke to her. She said yeah. Q. Okay. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 143. A. (Completion of spelling.) I think. Q. Close enough. All right. Did you find out about this after the fact? Or, I mean I know said she kind of -- A. Yeah, I knew about because I brought M. with me, and I knew about because she did, but then after the fact, yes, I found out later that everybody, you know, they did it. Q. Okay. We're still going to be talking for a while, but is there anything else about this incident, episode with Mr. Epstein that you think I should know or I haven't asked or... A. I mean, I pretty much covered what happened, the experience. Told you it was traumatic. It makes me feel disgustingg. To this day I don't like to think about it. I don't like to do this. Q. Okay. Have you had any other traumatic experiences? A. What do you mean by traumatic experiences? Q. Well, it's your words. But what do you mean by traumatic? A. I could, okay, like I would say that's traumatic, but there's different, you know — Q. Theories? A. Exactly. Like, you know, when my grandmother 36 (Pages 138 to 1 4 1) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723345 Page 142 1 got her leg amputated, I consider that a traumatic 2 experience. 3 Q. Okay. So, this is traumatic. Where would 4 you put it on the traumatic scale? 5 A. What's the scale, as in — 6 Q. As you said some are more than others. 7 A. I mean that was — I mean, traumatic to me 8 this is my definition -- 9 Q. Yeah, and I'm not trying to be coy or... 10 A. Yeah. Pm saying traumatic to me is something 11 that happened to me major in life so -- 12 Q. Okay. 13 A. In that, my grandmother getting her leg 14 amputated that affected me emotionally because I was sad 15 for her and I didn't want to her to go through that. 16 That's a traumatic experience to me as of that. 17 Now, the Jeffrey Epstein thing is a 18 completely different traumatic experience than, you 19 know, family wise and you're caring about her and 20 her going into surgery and losing her leg. 21 Q. Okay. 22 A. Maybe I sound like a retard talking like this, 23 but that's just how I'm explaining it. 24 Q. No, and I'm asking for your experience - 25 A. Yeah. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 144 Q. Okay. I, I appreciate that response. I understand that, you know, people say, you know, my mother died and 20 years later I still think of her and, you know. A. Yeah. Q. When I ask how long did that affect you, I mean in terms of emotional upset before you felt like, yeah, lost something but life is back to normal, if that makes sense? A. Probably like, you know, a month or so. I mean, I -- it wasn't like I was sitting there crying every day which might sound bad, but, I mean, I would sit there and just think about him, like, wow, I can't believe he's gone. Like it didn't feel real. Q. Okay. A. You know? Q. So, for about a month, and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth — A. Yeah, fin just — yeah, I will approximate it. Q. And again tsarina, as you said, is a major usually people say it's a negative event in someone's life. A. Yeah. Q. Because weddings and things can be a traumatic event. Page 143 Q. — perspective, so I — anything else that 2 happened in your life that you found to be 3 traumatic? 4 A. The Jeffrey Epstein which I already told you. 5 Q. Uh-huh. 6 A. The one time my step-father fractured my 7 eardrum. 8 Q. Yeah. 9 A. And that's basically it. 10 Q. Anybody you know passed away? 11 A. Close to me, not really. 12 Q. Okay. 13 A. I mean, my Pap-pap (phonetic), my dad's dad 14 died. !mean, that was hard for me, but I was never 15 really close, close to him. It hurt but it wasn't - 16 that sounds bad but honestly, I wasn't that close to 17 him. I didn't know him that well. 18 Q. How long did that bother you or affect 19 you? 20 A. MY PaP-Pap? 21 Q Yeah. 22 A. I mean, it still affects me. I think about 23 him. It's like, wow, he's gone. It's not like 24 realistic, because I never — he didn't live in the same 25 state. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 145 A. Yeah. Q. Most people don't consider those traumatic. A. Yes. Q. Is storms, I mean, we're in Florida, ever have problems with any the hurricanes? A. Yeah, hurricanes, I went through that, would consider it a traumatic experience. Q. Any car accidents? A. No. Q. Okay. A. I mean, I have had a car accident but it wasn't — Q. Right, and I'm asking if it was — A. Traumatic, no. Q. — what you would consider a traumatic experience? A. No. Q. Okay. Were you hospitalized? A. No. Q. Did you have serious injury? A. No. Q. Did you have whiplash, back pain? A. No, nothing. Q Was anybody hurt on the other side? 37 (Pages 142 to 145) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723346 Page la 6 1 A. No. 2 Q. Okay. Fender-bender type thing? 3 A. The side of her car. 4 Q. Okay. How fast was she going? How fast 5 was the car — 6 A. I mean, she was going maybe 20, 30 miles 7 pulling into somewhere. And I tried to brake, and I was 8 on a dirt road and I skidded into her. 9 Q. Okay. And how fast were you going? 10 A. Probably like 40, 50. 11 Q. Okay. How old were you? 12 A. I'm going to say around 18. 13 Q. I remember you said you got your license 14 at around that time. 15 A. Yeah, so, like, 18, 19. Pm guessing. 16 Q. Within a year of two of getting your 17 license? 18 A- Yes. 19 Q. Fair enough. Okay. Was the car damaged? 20 A. My car wasn't that bad, but her car was pretty 21 damaged. It had to get her parts, her door. 22 Q. So she needed a new door? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. Do you remember what you were driving at 25 the time? Page 148 1 mother-in-law, my mother-in-law and I did not get along 2 at all. 3 Q. Is that where you were living before? 4 A. Yeah. 5 Q. What was the problem with the 6 mother-in-law? 7 A. She's crazy. No. She, she just thinks she's 8 never wrong and would lie to my husband about me. And I 9 have her recorded telling me one story. And then I had 10 an e-mail telling him a whole other story. This is how 11 crazy this woman is. 12 Q. Okay. Just to make sure Pm clear when 13 you say crazy, we're not talking about 14 hallucinating -- 15 A. Well, not like that — 16 Q. -- or just after her -- 17 A. but I'm saying just like her son is a God 18 and nobody is going to be good enough for him. 19 Q. Okay. 20 A. So, she's going to find any way to show him 21 that I'm not good enough. 22 Q. How long did you live with her? 23 A. A good four, five months. Not — well, maybe 24 a little bit longer than that because I cane — 25 been here since February. Page 147 A. No. I've had a lot of cars. 2 Q. Okay. Is that became they broke down 3 or — A. Well, my first car. 5 Q. — or because your dad worked at a 6 dealership and had — 7 A. It's also that, and it's also because my first R car that I got broke down and had so many miles on it. 9 I don't know if it was aNissan. I don't know. I'm not 10 sure. 11 Q. Not a lot of cars because you're 12 particularly rough on them or had (inaudible) 13 accidents - 14 A. No, actually I've never even had that many 15 accidents. That was my only accident that I've ever 16 had. 17 Q. Where are you currently living? 18 A. I'm living with my dad. 19 Q. Okay. How long have you been there? 20 A. I actually just moved in there probably about, 21 maybe a little over a month ago. 22 Q. Okay. Is that working okay or is there 23 tension or... 24 A. No. We're getting along fine. My mother, I'll) 25 sorry, my mother and Itdot rja My Page 149 1 Q. So, February to -- 2 A. No, I'm sorry. I've been here since January. 3 I started school in February. 4 Q. Okay. January to about Octoberish? A. Well, first I lived with my mom for about a 6 month or two. And then I moved out of her house because 7 of my dog. And I went to my mother-in-law's house. And 8 my mother-in-law sort of wanted me to stay there but, 9 you lalow, just to have her grand-daughter there with 10 her. 11 Q. Okay. 12 A. And, 'mean, don't get me wrong, she helped 13 out with my daughter a lot. You know. She watched her 14 all the time I was school, Monday through Thursday and 15 Saturday. But we got a long really well. And then I 16 started seeing how she would make up lies about me. And 17 one minute she would be so nice to me and the next 18 minute she would just be vicious. 19 Q. Okay. 20 A. And one day I just couldn't take it any more, 21 and I was like, I've got to move out of here and my dad 22 was like, move in. 23 Q. And for the month you've spent with dad, 24 it's about a month? 25 A. Yeah. I mean, I, I'm looking -- you know, a MED PROSE COURT REPORTING 38 (Pages 146 to 149) AGENCY INC. ' EFTA00723347 Page 150 1 babysitter, it's hard because I had her steady watching 2 my daughter with no problem. You know, even for like, 3 you }mow, I had to do things like this, she would watch 4 my daughter for me with no problem. That's the only 5 thing that I loved about her. But other than that, just 6 I can't deal with it. 7 Q. Okay. My issues have homelessness? Have 8 you ever been homeless or... 9 A. Like I wasn't living on the streets, but I was 10 living with a friend of a friend when I was, when I got 11 kicked out when I was 18. 12 Q. Got kicked out from where? 13 A. My dad's. 14 Q. Okay. Why did he kick you out? 15 A. Because I was skipping school, and I didn't 16 really go and listen to what he said. 17 Q. Now, earlier we were talking about issues 1.8 of mental abuse. And you said it would be hard 19 saying things. What would usually cause that? Was 20 that kind of a litre a two-way street, or was that 21 just him being erratic or — 22 A. No, it was because he was upset because I 23 wasn't doing what I should be doing as in going to 24 school every day. I was more with my friends. You 25 know, I wasn't doing what I was supposed to be doing at Page 152 1 that I wanted. And I wasn't — I actually never stolen 2 before or did anything against the law. But l was in 3 the dressing room. I saw these jeans. They were $100 4 and they didn't have a sensor. And I was like, why not. 5 I put them in my purse and I got caught. 6 Q. And the court date is pending? 7 A. No. I did my court date and the charges were 8 dropped, and I have to do a theft class. 9 Q okay. o A. But I've never had anything else except 11 tickets for speeding. 12 Q. Okay. How many tickets have you gotten? 13 A. Probably like three, four. 14 Q. How fast were you going? 15 A. Probably like ten to 15 miles over the speed 16 limit 17 Q. Did you ever get a reckless driving or 18 careless driving charge? 19 A. No. 20 Q. And how many tickets did you get? You 21 said three to four? 22 A. Yeah. 23 Q. Okay. Ever any trouble as a juvenile? 24 A. No. Well, what do you mean "in trouble," as 25 in law? I Page 151 1 that point in my life. And he would just get frustrated 2 and, you know, sometimes people say things they don't 3 mean when they're mad. 4 Q. And why were you doing those things? 5 A. I just felt Lice I needed my friends. I felt 6 }Bre I had nobody else. 7 Q. Okay. When you do those things with your 8 friends, would it be fun? 9 A. I mean, it wouldn't even be anything horrible. 10 I would just be hanging out with them at their house, or 11 don't get me wrong, I did drink and I did do drugs here 12 and there. But I never got litre, any drugs, I need to 13 drink that much. But I would occasionally do them at -- 14 it was mainly that I was skipping school, and I wasn't 15 focusing on what my goals should have been. 16 Q. But skipping school was more recreational. 17 It wasn't like skipping school like in eighth grade 18 where people were threatening to kill you? 19 A. No. It was more like I just wanted to do it. 20 Q. Okay. Ever have any trouble with the law? 21 A. Actually, recently. 22 Q. Okay. What happened? 23 A. I got In trouble for petty theft. 24 Q. Okay. What happened? 25 A. I went to Macy's and I saw a pair of jeans 25 Q. There would be about 50 people or so? Page 153 1 Q. Yes. 2 A. No. 3 Q. AndvillatomWdbetheothertypeof 4 trouble? 5 A. Bymyparimts. 6 Q. Okay. And trouble with your parents was 7 dueto- 8 A. Going out and not listening. I would get 9 grounded when I was older. 10 Q. Where would you go? 11 A. Out with my friends, wherever, to the party 12 or -- 13 Q. Okay. 14 A. Hang out. 15 Q. And what type of parties were you at? 16 A. Maybe at a friend's house, and we would just 17 have a group of friends over and we would be hanging 18 out. 19 Q. And again I just want to make sure my 20 definition and your definition is matching. Would 21 it be lace a, quote, unquote, house party where 22 people would bring in kegs and somebody's parents 23 were out of town? 24 A. Yeah, yeah. 39 (Pages 150 to 153) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723348 Page 154 Page 156 1 A. Some of them, yeah. 2 Q. Okay. Not that this was an arrest, I saw 3 something about when you were, I think, younger 4 being at a gas station and not being served or 5 something. And the police were called, and I don't 6 even know if you remember it at all. A. I was at a gas station and the police were 3 called? 9 Q. Yeah, like the person at the gas station 10 wouldn't sell you gas and you got annoyed with her. 11 And the police came and they said, well, she's got 12 the right not to sell you gas, and you left. I 13 mean, it didn't lead to an arrest or anything. I'm 14 just — it was kind of an odd thing. I was 15 wondering if you could tell me — 16 A. This — 17 Q. — what happened there. 18 A. I totally forgot about that. Okay. This is 19 so stupid. But ray friend IM (phonetic) was dating 20 21 22 23 24 25 Okay? Q. at i A. baby's mom was the one working at a gas station. Q. Okay. A. She didn't Ile me because I was friends with 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. No. It's not a trick question. A. No, I really — Q. Did you ever get into a fistfight with anyone? A. Fight, I've been into a fight, yeah. Q. Okay. Have you ever used a weapon against anyone? A. Not that I can remember. Q. Okay. You haven't shot, knifed, tried to run anybody over with a car? A. No. Q. Okay. So what — tell me about the fight. A. It was actually with E. and actually my husband now. But it was back in junior year and she slept with him. Q. Okay. A. And I got pissed off and l fought her. Q. Were the two of you dating at that time or... A. We were like — it wasn't officially dating but we were together and she knew that I, you know, started to like him again. So, I thought it was wrong fora best friend — Q. Okay. A. -- when I asked her numerous times, do you 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 3 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 155 I went to the gas station to get gas and she wouldn't serve me gas. So, I got upset and I was like, are you kidding me. I have done nothing to you. And she said I was making threats to her, and all this stuff. Called the cops. And I went back to the cops and I wrote a police report about her also, because she. I mean this was a — wow. Q. Yeah, like I said, there was no criminal action that came out of it. I was just wondering what the story was to that. A. Yeah, that was, wow. That's weird. Oh, I can't even believe that. I totally forgot. But I mean, yeah, there was — she was the crazy one. I went to go get gas, and she called the cops on me because she wouldn't sell me gas because I was friends with her baby's dad's new girlfriend. And the police even told me she was fricking crazy. That's hilarious. Q. When you were a kid growing up, what's the most violent thing you've ever done? A. Violent thing I've ever done? Q. Uh-huh. A. As in anything? Q. Yeah, a kid, adult, violent. A. I don't know. Do you know something I don't know? Page 157 1 like him, s, no. All right. Tell me the truth 2 because I really do care for him. No, Jane Doe No. 5, I 3 would tell you. All right. 4 Q. Did either of you need medical attention 5 afterwards? 6 A. No. I mean it was a couple of hits and that 7 was it. 8 Q. Did the friendship survive or... 9 A. We're still friends. 10 Q. Okay. 11. A. I mean, we were in high school, so... 12 Q. Okay. Any issues with cruelty to animals? 13 A. No, never. 14 Q. Bed wetting? 15 A. I'm sorry? 16 Q. Bed wetting? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Fire setting? 19 A. What is it? 20 Q. Fire setting. 21 A. No. 22 Q. No. 23 A. Not that — I mean, putting things on lire -- 24 Q. Yeah. 25 A. No. 40 (Pages 154 to 157) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723349 Page 158 1 Q. Okay. Do you own any weapons? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Are you member of any gangs? 4 A. No. 5 Q. Current, past. Okay. Have you been the 6 victim of violent crime outside of, you know, 7 domestic relationship, I mean, any just random — 8 A. Like' omebody fought me or something? 9 Q. Yeah, somebody robbed you, somebody hit 10 you with a pipe and stole your purse? 11 A. Somebody stole my car in Virginia. My car was 12 stolen for a couple of months. 13 Q. Okay. Was this like a catjac,king where 14 you were in the car or were you parked and came 15 back? 16 A. My husband actually took the car to the gas 17 station. Went inside and came back out and the car was 18 gone. And they had it and the car seat, they threw that 19 away. They threw my stroller away. The car was, had to 20 get fixed. It was crashed and we didn't have it for 21 like, I'm guessing, a month, two months, three months. 22 1don't remember but it was a long time. 23 Q. Okay. And you've never been in jail or 24 prison or — 25 A. !went to jail for the theft. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 160 A. No, no, no. !just wanted to get out of there. Q. Well, it's about 1:00. So we could take a break now, go get lunch, come back, do the second test and then kind of finish up, or I can keep going until the tape stops? A. It's whatever you want to do. I mean, I don't -- I smoke, so I don't mind taking a cigarette break. Q. Why don't we go ahead and stop now then. It's a good time to get lunch, and we can do the test and finish up. A. Okay. Q. Usually we've been doing 45-minute lunch breaks, but we'll check with the attorneys. A. Okay. I'm not going to go anywhere. I will just be outside. Q. There is deli downstairs. They actually have pretty good soups. A. Oh, is there. (Luncheon recess from 1:08 p.m. until 1:57 p.m.) • * • • • Page 159 1 Q. How long were you in for? 2 A. I was booked at 9 as night, and I got out at 3 like 3:30 in the morning. 4 Q. Okay. 5 A. But it was a misdemeanor. 6 Q. Anything bad happen while you were in? 7 A. I wanted to get out. It was, the whole 8 experience was horrible. 9 Q. Okay. But while you were in holding or in 10 general population or whatever - 1]. A. I was in a holding cell. 12 Q. Nobody attacked you, was inappropriate 13 with you? 14 A. I mean, there was a whole bunch of crack heads 15 in there and I just wanted to get out of there, but 16 nobody did anything to true. 17 Q. Okay. Weren't maced, didn't need 18 restraints? 19 A. No. 20 Q. Weren't put in a calm-down chair or 21 whatever they call it? 22 A. No. No, that was an experience that I never 23 want to re-live again. 24 Q. You didn't attack any of the guards, 25 anything 41 (Pages 158 to 160 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723350