Witness identifies circled entries for Courtney Love, Donald Trump, Alan Dershowitz in address‑book exhibit during House Oversight hearing

04:30:44 01:30:46 01:30:48 04:30:50 01:30:52 01:30:56 01:30:59 ON Anh ON 04:31:02 © 04:31:04 o1ai07 10 01:34:09 11 ovsisa 12 orsiny 13 o13t20 14 orsi21 15 01:34:25 16 or3ize 17 orate 18 or3i30 19 ot36:22 20 04:36:22 21 04:36:24 22 o13630 23 on3631 24 01:36:36 25 01:36:44 01:36:48 04:36:51 04:36:55 01:37:03 01:37:03 01:37:03 ON aonb © NH «> 01:37:03 © 01:37:03 01:37:06 10 01:37:06 41 o137.08 12 orar10 13 ors7z1e 14 ovsr2a 15 ovar2s 16 01:37:25 17 01:37:27 18 ovar20 19 orzeo7 20 or3e07 21 or3s09 22 onset 23 orse13 24 orzets 25 10/20/2015 01:08:15 PM 228 understanding would be that if her -- and this is -- could I ask a question about the circling -- or your representation? Is the circling the same type of circling that is done for Mr. Dershowitz, for example? Is it the same, you know, handwriting, same ink, same -- same appearance? You know, if it's consistent with the circling -- are you representing it's consistent with the circling? Q. Mr. Cassell, we have a document produced in discovery that has various names circled. Looking at the document, I don't see any difference among the circles. Are you aware of any document -- MR. SCAROLA: Could we have a look -- could we see the document? MR. SIMPSON: Take a -- go off the record for one moment. THE WITNESS: We are going off the video record, 10:03. (Thereupon, a recess was taken.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the video record, 10:08 a.m. MR. SIMPSON: Okay. Back on the record. I'm going to ask the reporter to mark as Cassell Exhibit 5, a multi-page document. It's a copy of ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 229 the address book we have been speaking about, and ask that Doc -- Mr. Cassell to take a look at this, and I'm going to ask him about certain of the entries. (Cassell's I.D. Exhibit No. 5 - copy of address book was marked for identification.) MR. SIMPSON: And I will note, I put a few flags on here -- THE WITNESS: Sure. MR. SIMPSON: -- to direct your attention -- THE WITNESS: Correct, yeah. MR. SIMPSON: -- which we can -~ I'll note the pages for the record just so we have them. 38, 76, and 85. THE WITNESS: Okay. I just -- I just want to take two minutes or So -- BY MR. SIMPSON: Q. Yeah. Take -- take a moment to look at it. A. Okay. I want to make a few notes, if that's all right, just to get them in -- Q. You're going to mark on the -- A. No, not on the exhibit. I'm just going to make notes to refresh my recollection so we don't have to take time. I'm just -- I'm just making notes of the context here. This will just take another minute is ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 01:38:22 01:38:23 01:38:26 OU:38:27 01:38:51 01:38:54 01:38:54 ON Anh OD 01:38:87 onses7 | Q orse02 10 orzo0s 11 orze05 12 or3e08 13 otseis 14 ores 15 ores 16 orate 17 orze21 18 or3026 19 or392e 20 or3e20 21 0130.30 22 on3e31 2S o1se32 24 01:39:38 25 01:38:47 01:38:50 01:39:54 01:39:55 01:39:57 01:46:00 01:40:00 aN OO Ph Oh 01:40:04 orsoos 9 or4o08 10 or4o13 11 oraote 12 over? 13 oraore 14 orao23 15 o140:30 16 o14030 17 oraoas 18 oraoa7 19 01:40:40 20 orao4s 21 onaoas 22 o14o48 23 o1aos1 24 oraoss 25 Page 228 to 231 of 335 230 all. Q. Take as long as you want to look at the document. A. Super. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. I think I'm -- I'm oriented now. But I haven't looked at the Love entry. Q. My -- my first -- A. Iwant to look at the Love -- Q. -- question is: Is this a copy of the address book that you referred to in your testimony? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And if you would take a look at the -- I've marked the entries for Courtney Love. Take a look at that one. A. Allright. I see it. Q. Okay. And then if you look at the last entry, there's an entry for Professor Dershowitz that's also circled. It should be on the flag. It's two-sided. A. Oh, yeah. Q. Do you see that one? A. Isee it. Q. And then also the other one I marked is Donald Trump. A, Yes. Gotit. I see those entries circled. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 231 Q. So am I right -- I'm right, am I not, that among the others circled are: Courtney Love, Donald Trump, and Alan Dershowitz, correct? A. Correct, among the others, yes. Q. And they are all circled in the same way; are they not? A, Yeah. It's kind of a -- a box is what I would say. Some, yes. Q. Is there anything on the face of that document that leads you to conclude that the circling -- the significance of the circling is any different for one person than another? A. No. Q. So based on the document, do you infer that Courtney Love was involved in some kind of sexual abuse of minors? A. Iwould infer that if I were running a criminal investigation through the FBI and I'm trying to find people who would have relevant information, she would be one of the people I'd want to talk to. I mean, the names that are circled here, Glenn Maxwell, one of the identified traffickers, Epstein is circled, the pilot -~ one of the pilots is circled. So it's these people that all seemed to be connected are -- are all being marked here, and -- and the number of people that ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 20 of 46 sheets HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010860