Court hearing references alleged sex‑trafficking claims involving Ms. Giuffre and Ms. Maxwell

10 id. 12 13 14 L5 16 ne) 18 life) 20 21 22 23 24 25 152 H3VOGIU3 about the defense. I'm not sure that they get the point because we've said here's a question -- THE COURT: Don't worry about educating them. It's me you've got to educate. MR. CASSELL: So I would just direct you to our -- we've tried to show, this is not a moon made of green cheese, we have very specific support for each -- THE COURT: I hear you. I hear you. MR. CASSEEL: -- of the questions. TH Gl COURT: You've got it in the brief. I understand. MR. CASSELL: Right. So with regard to their interest in the case, obviously, they have an interest in this woman who is accusing them of being involved in a sex trafficking and sex abuse conspiracy having her lose this case. They would be popping champagne corks. They clearly have an interest in the case. The other problem, remember, under Booty, the question is well, are these witnesses that the plaintiff had some control over? Is this somebody that the defendant has vested control over these facts? These were direct reports. I don't think I heard any response to that from the other side. These were direct reports to Maxwell, and so these are the people who, you know, when Ms. Giuffre alleged that she's involved -- Ms. Maxwell is involved in doing these things, these are the women who are SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_011455