Camille testimony

CANILLH the next witness called to testify for on of the State of Indiana, after being duly sworn to tell tho truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, testified as [?02 lown, Hr. Kulumaroa conducting the interrogation in chief: Q. Will you state your name to the court and Jury, plcuue? A. (the remainder of name inaudible.) Q. We can't hear you.- Court: Thu Jury has to hear you; so you must speak so that thuy would know what you're saying. So will you spank to them? Speak loudly unouuh that they can hear you, if you will, please. A. Camilla Mr. Kulumaroo: Mioo I'll come down here at the end of the Jury box, so you'll xpenk up, no that everybody will hour you. "nine your voim little louder. Uh, what was your name ?rain? A. Camille Q. All right. Now, what relation are you to Anna Maria Yocum? Daughter. You're her daughter? 11?. You a C. And directing your attention now to the date of April ll, 1965 did you havu occasion to see the defendant in this case, Robert Jo Uoulut? A. Yes. Q. Where, it anywhere, did you ace him at thio timo? A. At ruatnurhnt called the and at Howard Parx in South hood. Q. At a ruutaurant culled the H. 15 that in South Mend, lndi nun? A. You. 0. And tall the Jury, did you know Robert John Dowlut prior to th tiuw? Ii. You . More; Camillel Q. Ann how did you know him? 3 A. I dated himI for quite a while. 3 C. All right. And at the Lunch, what if anythinu did you thorn, to the boat or your knowledge and recollection? A. Oh, we Just talked. Q. All ripht. Uh, you know whether or not he was home from the Service at that time? A. Yes, he was. Q. And so was this the first occasion for you to see him after he was home from the Service? A. Yes, it was. also Q. Uh, you anid you saw him/at Howard Park. Where in Howard Park with reference to Lunch? In approximate blocka. A. I don't know; it's quite a long walk. 0- All rirht. So that I presume y0u had quite a long talk with in that right? A. Um-hm. Q. Uh, will you tell this court in substance what 1r anything he said with respect to crime, to the beat or your knowledge and roco loction? ho you know what I'm talking about? A. Yen. a. All ripht. Did you have any conversation with him, in other boron, with respect to any crime or the like? A. Yen, he told me about an office" down in Fort Knox that murdered hiu wire and locking her in a closet, or something like that. Mr. Plodowuki: If the court please, we'll object to the aneWUr and oak it be stricken from the record For the reason that it has absolutely no hearing whatsoever to the isnueu in this cause; it tundu to bins nun prejudice the Jury; it'o too remote in place and time and also time?wine; and has no probative value whatnuevcr with renpvet to the to he tried by thin court. Caurt: The ohjertinn iu overruled. The answer why btand. (Ri' . I 7(272/1 (If 1 84What else did he talk to you about with-respect to crime, particularly with respect to murder in St. Joe County? Mr. Flodowaki: He'll object, if the court please, to the leading queution put by the prosecutor to this witness. Court: Objection overruled. Mr. Plodowaklz Thank you, your Honor. A. Will you repeat that question? Mr. Kainmnros: Q. What if anything did he say to you about crime, especially crime in St. Joe County, more particularly, murder? A. At one time he made statement that if you committed robbery in South Bcnd--e Hr. Piodowski: Just a moment-~- A. You could get away with it. Mr. Plodowski: object! May we have the tine and the place of statement? I nubmit, your Honor, that the testimony of this witnc: as to time is too vnnuc. We'd like to know who was present when stntemcnt has made. Court: I think the witness has complied with the question: that tl time and pinco would be the Home on the rrobat: That isn't wnat the says. "At one time." That doesn' mean then. She meant somu otter tine. Court: Will you straighten that out? You say you a conversation, Nr. Kniumaroe: All right. Q. you talked about on the date or April 11, 1963, while yOu were non to Howard Park. runlizc you're nervous; I don't blame you for being nervodt. Do you understand the question? I Just want you t< ruinte the uubstunce to the best or your knowledge and rccollectior Hunt he said to you and you hold to him on that date in question. A. Jc talked about my going back to the nose with him, trying to vet married. 0. And-- you he wanted you to buck to the Dunc with him? A. You. . r. ?kvrliy And he wanted to marry you? Yes. Q. And what was your answer to that, please? A. I didn't want to, because i wanted to go in the Navy. q. All ripht. Now, as long as we're into that, what if any reuaor other than you wanted to go into the Service, was there for your anawurinn him that you did not want to marry him, with reapect to your deceased mother, Anna Marie Yocum? A. My mother wouldn't have let mo. Q. She wouldn't have let you. Did ho know about this? A. Yes. Q. All right. Now, what did he refer to her as, commonly and or~ dinurily? What names did he call her? A. Q. It'u all right. A. A hitch. Q. All right. And what else did he call her? A. And-- nothing more than that. Q. All right. Now, isn't it a fnct-- or, let me ask you this: -- l'il withdraw that-- Now, what do you know insofar as your mother restrictinp him from dating you or coming to your apartment at Lhi time in question? A. Why, I know she called his father and said that I wasn't sup- posed to sec him and she told me that I wasn't supposed to sue him And she told-- Q. A11 rinht;.. A. ??Mrs. black, the Probation Officer, and some other people. 0. All rinht. How, uh, iun't it a fact that Robert told you abou this that your mother hud with his father? A. Um-hu. 4. All How, can you tell Uh further than, what was the rc' or the uubutance or the conversation you were having with him on 087. (1/4155in 1 2 3 this date when he cnme back From the Service? A. Oh, we talked about things that he'd done down at Fort Knox, u! What things? You mean, army things? Yes. Those things. Things that he'd done for entertainment. Q. Thinga that he'd done For entertainment? A. Um-hm. Q. Did you ever have conversations rcgurding money? A. i?m, no, not actually. Q. Pardon? A. No. Q. With respect to marriage, did you have any of those, regarding money? A. Only that we didn't-- if we wanted to get married we wouldn't have money for it. Q. You mean, you him that? A. No, i don't think I said tnat. Q. Then? A. Just then. G. 0.K. New, I want to ask you further, Cammin: to the bent of your and recollection, wnat other c0nversations did you have on this date in question while traveling to Hownrd Park regar inc crime in St. Joe County? Did he say anything in regard to any crime, burglary cr murder or anything? Q. You can't remember? The answer is No; is that your answer? A. You. Court: The answer is No. Fr. Kalamaros: All right. He the witnesn. Cnurti You may cross examine. Plodowski: We haVu no questions or this witness. iitncuu admcnisnud