Virginia Giuffre Interview With Bradley Edwards Jack Scarola

Case 1090-16 Case1:15-cv-07433-LAP 1:15-cv-07433-RWS Document Document 185-15 Filed Filed 07/30/20 06/01/16 Page Page 11 of of 24 1 EXHIBIT 15 'JMFE 6OEFS 4FBM Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 2 of 24 PRIVILEGED PURSUANT TO FS 766.205f4) and/or PRODUCT TELECON PARTICIPANTS: JACK SCAROLA BRAD EDWARDS VIRGINIA ROBERTS RE: Edwards adv. Epstein 291874 DATE: April 07, 2011 S: Virginia, Jack Scarola and Brad Edwards BE: Hi Virginia. V: Hi Jacki Hi Brad! How you guys ?oing? 18: We?re doing ?ne, thank you. I?m sorry for of the trouble and before we go any further, let me teii you, if have your permission, I have started a tape recorder and I want to be abie to tape this conversation from the very beginning. Is that airight with you? V: Sure, that?s ?ne, 3ack. No problem JS: 0k, good, thank you. I appreciate that. Let me start off by introducing myself. I know that Brad has spoken to you about me but I am Brad?s lawyer, and I assume that you can con?rm that you and I have never had any communication before. Is that right? V: That?s correct. 18: Alright. I have, however gotten some information from Brad about conversations that you have had with him, and that enable me, ihopefuity, to make this a littie bit more that we think IS going nto be helpful" to us and!? to any jury that might ultimateiy have to hear these facts. So, let me begin by asking you ?rst to tell us What your full name is. V: Viriinia Louise Roberts. That?s my maiden name. My married name is Virginia Louise wk NON PARTY (VR) 000178 GIUFFREOOZ 177 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 3 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Fage JS: JS: 3'8: JS: Could you spell your last name for us? That is your married last name: Alright, thank you, and where are you living right now? I live in Australia. And how long have you resided in Australia. This is my 19th year. That is where you are right now, correct? We?ve reached you in Australia for this phone conversation? That is correct, yes. And what time is it in Australia right now? I think it?s about 9:00 now. 0k. That?s 9am, correct? That?s correct. Alright. Virginia, the reason for this conversation is because it is our understanding that you know a man by the name Jeffrey Epstein, and I want to begin by asking you please to tell us about the circumstances of your ?rst meeting Mr. Epstein. Ok. I was introduced to Mr. Epstein by Ghislaine Maxwell. I was working at Donald Trump?s spa in Mar-a?Lago and I was prompted by Ghislaine to come to Jeffrey?s mansion in Palm Beach that afternoon after work to make some extra money and to learn about massage. She met me at the spa, and i was reading a book about anatomy, so i was already interested in massage therapy as it was and not having any of the education or you know anything behind me, I thought this was a great opportunity to work for her and go. So, I went to Jeffrey?s mansion about 5 or 6 in the afternoon. My dad drove me there. My dad worked at Mar-a~Lago With me, and he met (mistarne and she seemed lilifi a nice, proper English lady, and she knows, I mean, you know, one time then ?once before i left to travel overseas, she just seemed really nice and like she would like to help me out. So my dad left, and i had no problem getting home that night, one of her drivers would take me back after my trial. So she led me upstairs, and into Jeffrey?s bedroom, and past that is Jeffrey?s massage room, which has got his steam room and a shower and a massage table, and there is actually an extra room that has, that nobody knows about it, it?s kinda like a secret room and it?s got a whole bunch of decorative pictures of pornographic literature and sex toys and i can what happened in there. NON PARTY (VR) 000179 GIUFFREOOZ 178 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 4 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 3 of 23 3?8: 58: IS: 58: When you say that the room was hidden, Virginia, how was the room concealed? it wasn?t like a door that you would normaliy go into, like some kind of special opening, you open that and then a little door, so it looks like it?s a little closet so?to-speak, but when you walk in there, it?s obviously a lot bigger than just a closet. It wasn?t too big, but it was bigger, you know. It wasn?t a gigantic room, it was just like a small room, which you know, it probabiy couid fit some shoes in there, ?it had racks of shoes, boxes, some sweatshirts neatly folded, and the to the floor was covered in pornographic pictures of the giris that he had met. When you say. .. So anyways, that was getting there, and I was introduced to Jeffrey, he was laying naked on top of the massage table, and obviously for one, I?m a 15 year old girl and seeing him on the table was weird but, also learning about anatomy and massage, i thought this would be part of it. So obviously, I thought it was part of the massage program, so I said ok, this is ?ne. And, he then instructed me on how to touch the body, Jeffrey?s body, how to massage him, and for the ?rst hour, it was actually a real massage, maybe not an hour, maybe like 40 minutes or something, but of something like that Wand that?s when he tinned over on the other side and to expose himself hilly. So then Ghislaine told me that she wanted me to undress and began to take off my shirt and skirt, my white uniform from Mama-Lego, she also took off her shirt and got undressed, and so I was there with just my undies on, and she was completely bare, and made some kind of little ?ake about the underwear that I was wearing because it wasn?t my normal sexy girl underwear and just like, I don?t know, had red hearts on it or something like that; just your normal, you know, real cute underwear. Anyways, so during all of this For kind of like what?s going on, how do I act, what do I say, I was so afraid of, not afraid or fear?il for my life but Aunsure of how all this started and wanting to obtain a profession? was so afraid thinking about upsetting and disappointing them, 1 don?t know, it?s a weird situation by far and was expected to _Licl<;. his hippies, instructed on how to do so by IBM and give him oral sex while he wanted to fondle me, and then at the end, I was told by Ghislaine to get on top and straddle Jeffrey sexually, and when we were done, we went and had a shower in the room and Jeffrey told me to wash him up and down, you know with a bar of soap and make sure he was all cleaned up. And then he took the downstairs and took me to two of the guards and told John to bring me home. John was the butler at the time, Let me interrupt you for just a moment there if I could, Virginia. You mentioned as you were recounting those details that you were 15 years old at the time. What is your date of birth? August 1983 And can you tell us please, as best you?re able to estimate it, what the date was when this ?rst encounter occurred? NON PARTY (VR) 000180 GIUFFRE002179 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 5 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 4 of 23 IS: IS: IS: I?ve got it written down. It?s like - I?m not good with math hold on I thought I wrote it down but I didn?t. I?m not too sure, I think it was 1998 o? the top of my head and around June of 1998, I would say as was turning 16 at the end of the Alright. You talked about the room where Jeffrey had the pornographic photographs. {)id you actually see that room on the occasion of your ?rst visit there? No, I got to see that room a few visits after but I was just trying to describe that room to you guys so you knew exactly what room I was talking about. Another question for you, and I don?t mean to be prying into your personal life, and if I ask you any questions at all that you?re uncomfortable answering, then you just tell me that and we?ll move on, because I appreciate your cooperation and the last I thing I want to do is impose upon that cooperation, but can you tell us please just generally what kind of sexual experience you had had prior to this confrontation with Jeffrey? Yeah, sure. A close family friend has sexually abused me, and l. was on the streets at 13 years old. i was picked up by a 67 year old man named Ron __Eppingerm who did exactly what Jeffrey did with me abuse and violate my youthfulness I was with him for 6 months. So, he was gone and then I had this boyfriend who was like my school friend from young days but we just kept in contact with each other and we were on and off constantly, and that was Tony Figerouaw, and there was also another younger guy was near my age, Michael, I can?t remember his last name, but yeah, there, I mean, there wasn?t like a string of men or anything, but there was Ron, like I told you, and he was the first guy expecting me to do so?called disgusting affairs. Jeffrey actually knew Ron, which was quite weird when I told Jeffrey the story about Ron, and Jeffrey had actually met hire, and yeah. Anyway, jest another story, and yeah, there were a couple of men, but that gives you an idea. Now when you described the photographs in the room as pornographic, tell me just a little bit about the photographs, if you would please? First, how many of them were there? At least 100, and like I said, they covered the room from the ceiling, not the ceiling but from the top of the edge of the wall to the bottom of the ?oor. I want to say at least a SS: hundred, even more, there could have been more in the boxes ?borne of them were photographs, like the large size, some of naked women posing, you know, positions, sexy positions. Others were, you know, some girls had bikinis on, and it wasn?t so pornographic, but it was all womensexual namre. Were there photographs where more than one person appeared? Oh yeah, plenty of them. There were lots of naked photographs, I mean i was just trying to give you a visual range. There was anything from 5X68 to 4x83 to 8x45. Some of them NON PARTY (VR) 000181 GIUFFREOOZ 180 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 6 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 5 of 23 IS: 38: 13: had frames, some of them were out of frames, but they were ail, like i said, they were all women, they were all sexual in nature. Was it your impression that there were a hundred photos of a hundred different people or were there multiple photos of the same woman or girl? There was de?nitely 3 tot of different girls. I mean it wasn?t easy to sit there and say, you weren?t ?nding 5 girls out of some photos, no. Were there a hundred different ones? There could have been pictures of some girls, I realty couldn?t get ciose necessarily to actuaiiy recognize faces or anything like that. But if you, you know, the range of them were ail different, majority of them were different, yeah. Did there ever come a point in time when you became aware that a photograph of you had been added to the collection? Yes, there was. Ghislaine took several nude photographs of me for Jeffrey, So, yeah, there were pictures of me and there were pictures, he wasn?t shy, that wasn?t the only place in his house that he kept the photos. He liked photos over his house. If you looked in his den or on his desk or in on the hall table, a giant hall table in his house, there were at toast a hundred photos of girls in frames. Not all of them were naked, a tot of the ones that were all around his house were not naked girls posing pornographicaliy, some were pictures of celebrities and politicians he had known__or things like that or had pants on or whatever, but yeah, there was a lot of mixed photographs in the outside ones. Were there any photographs of girls or young women that you knew or that you subsequently came to know that you saw in the house? Yeah, yeah, there was. There was pictures of Nadia Bjoumik pictures Sarah Keller, pictures Emmy, pictures of me, pictures of the regulars, but a lot of the girls, sometimes Jeffrey could have like 7 girls a day, and he would only see diese girls once if he got bored. 1 don?t know. These weren?t my days. I heard he?s gotten a lot sloppier since I ieft. So, i don?t know anyways, but when I knew him, there was just a, it seemed, there was such an in?ux of girls coming in and out, so did I recognize a lot of them? Maybe, maybe not, but then they were all de?nitely beautiful, they were all ranging in ago, some of them young, some of them oider in their 20?s, I mean it was just they were all beautifui. JS: You?ve toid us about the ?rst Visit. Was there any discussion on the occasion of that ?rst Visit about your returning? Yes, they were very pleased with me and after the encounter was finished, the sexuai encounter, he went and told me I did well and have a lot of potential to become a massage therapist and if I?d like i could return tomorrow, you know, and do the same thing and get paid so Jeffrey insisted that i come after work, and over the next few days, I guess the relationship grew into more, and within a couple of weeks, not even NON PARTY (VR) 000182 GIUFFREOOZ 18 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 7 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Teiephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page couple of weeks, maybe a week, I had quit Mar-a-Lago and I was working for Jeffrey ?iil time. 0k, let?s taik about your job at Mar?a~Lago, if we could. You said that your Dad was working there. What was his position at Mar-a?Lago? He was a maintenance supervisor I think is What it was called? He like managed the tennis courts and air conditioners and things like that. What is your Dad?s full name? Sky William Roberts. And is he still living here in. South Florida now? No, he?s not, he?s in Caiifornia. 0k. Is your Dad aware of what is currently going on with regard to your having made public statements about your reiationship with Jeffrey? Yes, he is welt aware of it, I told my family even before all this stuff came out, because they were the first ones contacted by the journalists from Mail on Sunday. I know that they the Mail on Sunday printed that i had gone out and tried to, I mean I think one of the photos said that I was angry that I saw Jeffrey and the Prince walking together and that is why I came out and went public with everything. Not true. I mean, I am angry about how they are still up to their old ways together and that they?re still hanging out but I didn?t contact the Mail on Sunday and I didn?t bring it out. I ?gured that everyone was going to bring it out anyway and I better bring it out the right way. He?s known everything from the start, and my famiiy is very supportive with everything going on. I?m kind of going to jump around a little bit and i apologize for that, but since the subject has come up, tell me ?rst of all why you are providing this cooneration to us, and I am certainly very appreciative of it, but I want you to tell us why it is you?ve chosen to spend time with us on the telephone and provide this infonnation that you?re now providing. i?m out to help the bigger picture, you know, i think all of us can make a big difference in a lot of other people?s lives and I think that this has gone on long enough and it?s a big siap in my face that he can get away with hurting. me so bad let alone so many other girls and laugh about it. I guess I talked to you guys out because i want to see the right thing happen, not just to him, but I want people in the world to understand this is not the way of life, you know, it?s not acceptable to go out procure young girls and make them think that, this is the way you should be living and that?s all. Yeah, i guess my reason for doing it is to help the bigger picture, you know, i?m a big believer in karma and believe that good things will. come back to you, so I guess that?s Why I?m doing this. NON PARTY (VR) 000183 GIUFFREOOZ 182 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 8 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Teiephone interview with. Virginia Roberts Page 7 of 23 IS: IS: IS: .18: i8: Just for the record, neither Brad, nor 1, nor anyone representing that they have anything to do with us has made any promises to you. Is that correct? That is correct. I?il teil you, since this is our ?rst conversation, that nobody has made me feei like I?ve been bribed or bought or had to say anything. I?ve told you anything that I know from my own self, not some things somebody told me. If anything, Brad?s been extra careful not to tell me anything and let me do ail the talking, so it?s quite opposite I think. Alright. Let?s get: back then to the story of your relationship with Jeffrey, and we?ve talked about your ?rst encounter with him and how it evolved from that into your fuii time employment with Jeffrey, but what were you doing at Mar-awhago before you quit Mar~a~Lago? I was just a locker room attendant and sometimes I did babysitting for the rich and famous. So, I wasn?t anything big. I worked in the spa area. That?s why I was studying anatomy, because I was really really interested in becoming a __massage therapist, and at the locker room, I didn?t do much. I mean I was making tea for a living, I wouid, you know, make sure the toilet paper had a littie triangle in it after everybody went to the toilet, or wipe down the water from the basin, you know, it was a very easy peasy job. Did you get that job through your Dad? Yes, my Dad got me the job. 0k, and you were oniy 15 years old at the time, were they aware of how oid you were at MarwamLago? Of course, de?nitely. We had to go through extensive, you know, we even had to get drug tested and id test and so on and so forth. I mean, Maotas is very strict on employment, yeah, everybody knew. 0k. Was there ever any conversation with Ghislaine about how old you were before you were taken to Jeffrey?s mansion? No. She didn?t ask me how old 1 was from the start, but when I did get to Jeffrey?s IS: mansion, it was discussed how old I was. With whom? During the entire hour of what 1 caii the legitimate massage I was giving him, it was cat and mouse games getting information from wiiling participant in these kind of things, and how would i react; if they were about to take the next step. But they got information off of me, they got my age, they got my, a. little bit of my history so they knew I was, you know, not very stable at home, and they knew that, NON PARTY (VR) 000184 GIUFFREOOZ 183 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 9 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 8 of 23 38: IS: is: 33: you know, I was actually interested in making my life better by studying so what they were offering me was a chance to become a legitimate masseuse but it was getting trained. They would have people show me how to work the body and be called a massage therapist and get me books on it, and you know, keep me interested, and every time, you know, i was with Jeffrey, literally was about massages, i don?t mean just going in and have sex with him. I mean massage, because it would always start out with massage and then it would lead into sometimes other things. Alright, once this evolved into full time employment, what did ?tll time employment mean? That was entirely having to travel with Jeffrey in every city. When he was in Palm Beach, I stayed at my apartment, and. he would call me to his house once or twice a day sometimes, and that?s, you know, do things with him. Sometimes we?d go out shopping, sometimes we?d go out and watch a movie. You know, simple things like that, go to an expo or a fair, whatever it was. But when we were in other cities, 1 was at my apartment?, I lived with him full time. Whatl mean by full time is even in the middle of the night, I could get a ring on my phone next to me and tell me to come in his room, you know, so it was literally full time. When you say that when you were in Palm Beach you were living in your apartment, were you living on your own or were you living with members of your family at that time? No, after I quit Mane-Lego, Jeffrey offered to get me an apartment in Palm Beach somewhere, Royal Palm Beach, and it was a nice apartment, He furnished it for me, it was absolutely beauti?tl, but yeah, that?s the oaly time I would spend time away from him really. This apartment was on Royal Palm Beach Boulevard or out in the Village of Royal Palm Beach? - I so honestly don?t remember. l?ve been trying to rack my brain because the FBI was asking the same thing and were trying to ?nd it, but yeah, I?m Not sur_. i didn?t get to spend as much. time in it, I was only there about an entire week out of every month probably, but the majority of the time I was with Jeffrey anyways. It was somewhere in Royal Palm Beach. I don?t know about Royal Palm Beach drive. don even remember the Royal Palm Beach drive anymore so I?m not too surecan draw the distinction for you and maybe that will help you to help us? Royal Palm Beach is a village that No, no, no, I got Royal Palm Beach, just didn?t know the Royal Palm Beach Drive, like what street it?s off of. Were you talking about a street?? NON PARTY (VR) 000185 GIUFFREOOZ 184 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 10 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 9 of 23 IS: IS: IS: IS: IS: .18: Yes, i was talking about a street. Royal Palm Drive is on the island of Palm Beach, and it?s a street that is lined with large royal palm trees, and I?m wondering if this was an apartment on the island or was this an apartment out west of town. .. No, it was actually in Royal Palm Beach, not on the island. Alright. I would be driven, it was closer to my family than it was closer to him. I wanted to be close enough to everybody else so that when I was in town, I could just go see them quickly. Ok. So we?re not talking about Royal Palm Boulevard. We?re talking about the town of Royal Palm west of town. Jeffrey got you an apartment out there. That?s correct. When he was in Palm Beach, you were generally not staying at the mansion, you were staying at the apartment that he got for you out west of town. That?s correct. Ok. I mean then there was times, I don?t wanna say that every time I stayed at my apartment. There was times we?d ?y back from some city maybe too late at night to really want to go back home, so you know, it?s like 12:00 at night or 1:00 in the morning. I was just staying in the yellow room, or something like that; one of the guest rooms in Palm. Beach. But majority of the time, I would de?nitely want to get back to my own apartment. Alright. What were the general hours of your 0111 time emeloyment when There was not set hours. It wasn?t like logging, and you know, hitting the shift button, nothing like that. The way I would get paid would be, ok, if was in Palm Beach, I would get $200 an hour to massage Jeffrey or some of his friends and then go home. So it would be like that. If I was traveling with him, it would be per massage, so I would be JS: getting paid per day. So i wouldn?t be getting paid on an hourly rate. He wouldn?t say ok, today you?re going to work for me from 7:00 in the morning until 8:00 at night. It never like that. was on call all the time. When you were here in Palm Beach, were you actually getting paid only for the time spent massaging Jeffrey or were you getting paid from your arrival at his house until you left the house? From the time the massage started. NON PARTY (VR) 000186 GIUFFREOOZ 185 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 11 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 10 of 23 IS: IS: JS: IS: IS: From the time the massage started. 0k. Sometimes we?d go there and I would wait for a while or talk with Ghisiaine and Jeffrey about something or we?d meet somewhere and talk about something. A lot of times, I?d meet him upstairs in his room where he was ready for me. But then there was a lot of times where it didn?t start right away, so he couldn?t really pay me from the time I got there sometimes uniess it was just paid from the time I massaged him til the time the massage was over. Alright. Did your duties for Jeffrey ever include anything other than providing him massages and sex in connection with the massages? Did he ever give you any other responsibilities to perform? I was asked to do the same things that I did to Jeffrey to a few of his feilow colleagues as weii. Those were my duties. He iooked at it this way is that i was going to he a professional massage therapist, and maybe I needed some clientele, so he had me perform erotic massages on a few peopie. Did that start here in Palm Beach County? It did. The ?rst one did. 0k, and how iong after you ?rst met Jeffrey did he ?rst ask you to provide services for one of his friends? About 9 months, I think it was. it wasn?t a fuli year, it wasn?t 6 months, but between 6 months and a year, which is why I?m saying 9 months. And when you provided services to a friend of Eeffrey?s, who paid you for those services? Jeffrey would. I would get paid the next time i saw Jeffrey, so if I was invited to the Breakers Hotel to give a massage, I would give a massage, I would go home, and the next day when I saw Jeffrey, he would pay me for what I did. So, it was paid always by him, it was set up by him, so he always knew what to pay me. i did get tips and things like that, if you call it that, you know, like a hundred dollar tip or something from a few of IS: IS: them, you know, yeah. Was there .. There was aiways payment from 3effrey. Was there ever any discussion with Jeffrey about what was expected to happen when you provided massage services to one of Jeffrey?s friends? NON PARTY (VR) 000187 GIUFFREOOZ 186 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 12 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Teiephone interview with Virginia Roberts ?age it of23 V: J8: J8: .iS: JS: iS: in a roundabout way, yes. in so many ways, Je?'rey really really had to train me, and that was why Ghislaine said that she and Jeffrey enjoyed the so much was because they never reaiiy had to speak much to me to tell me what they wanted me to do. You know, I wasn?t waiting for you know, their directions. Jeffrey would tell me to go give an erotic massage to friends. He wouldn?t give me much detail about it, but he would say to treat them like you treat me. Sid he refer to it as an erotic massage or are those your words? Erotic massage is my words. That?s exactly what it was, but he would tell me to treat them how he wanted it, so l?d do what he wanted without having to say to me words more. I mean, 1 complied with what he wanted because it was somewhat of a, I don?t know, i don?t know how to say it, it was just very mindboggling how i let him have so much control or power over me basically. The massages would be routine to what e?rey wanted with my so called new clientele, and with their own words wouici ask me to provide them with sexual pleasure after the massage. Did you ever report back to lef?ey about what happened when you provided massages to his friends? Of course, of course, and I knew that his friends were reporting back to him as well because there were times where he would instigate conversation by saying you know, so and so had a great time, you did wonderful, you know so and so gave me a call and told .E how it Did Jeffrey ever elicit details from you? ?Tell me what happened, describe in detail what went on?? No, but he wouid have a laugh, he had a laugh with me a few times about some of their different mannerisms, I guess you would say, like some of them, one guy had a foot fetish and that was really weird and I mentioned it to Jeffrey, and we wouid have a laugh over it. He didn?t want to know details. He wasn?t asking me ?so tell me what did you guys do exactly.? No, he just basically gave roe a slap on the back and said, you know, good job. And we had some kind of conversation about it. I can?t recaii any conversation o? the top of my head. I really don?t know one. It?s been that long. But yeah, we did taik about it briefly. Can you give me an estimate as to the number of friends for whom Jeffrey provided and paid for your services? There was about, you know, I don?t know, 8 guys possibly. And are you able to name those peopie for me? NON PARTY (VR) 000188 GIUFFREOOZ 187 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 13 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page this stage. I just, some of these people are really in?uential in power, and I don?t want to start another shitstorm with a few of them. l?ll tell you that there was some erotic massages given to, l?m just afraid to say it to you. 0k, Virginia. It?s like geez, i don"t know if I want to, I?m really scared of where this is gonna go. Alright. I understand that, and as I told you from the beginning, if i ask you a question that you are uncomfortable answering, you just tell me that, and I will move on, and i understand that at least right now, you are uncomfortable answering, and 1 am certainly going to respect that. Thank you so much, Jack. No, that?s quite alright. I am very appreciate of the cooperation you are providing, and I don?t want you at any time to feel that we are taking unfair advantage of that cooperation, so give me the information that you?re comfortable giving mepoint where you?re uncomfortable, I will respect that and we?ll move on from there. Ok. i want to talk a little bit about the traveling that you did with Jeffrey. About how long into your relationship with him did that ?rst start? immediately. I started traveling immediately. Not internationally until I think about, Gosh, i can?t remember even, {think it was a year later that we started doing international travel. Maybe like 9 months to a year again. Not too sure to be honest. So that would have been approximately the summer of 1999? Somewhere around there? Yes. Somewhere around there. Somewhere around a year, somewhere around there, i can?t pinpoint it exactly. But like I said, we started doing domestic traveling immediately, so my ?rst destination with him was New York and Santa Fe and the Carribean, California, I would take trips with him occasionally. Sometimes we would go to St. Louis or New Orleans or Santa Cruz. We were traveling just about everywhere I JS: JS: think. How did you travel? Well, we took Jeffrey?s private jet, and unless I was being sent somewhere by myself for what we were just talking about before, then I would travel on a what do you call, a public jet, whatever it commercial flight? NON PARTY (VR) 000189 GIUFFREOOZ 188 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 14 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 13 of 23 38: J3: IS: IS: IS: J8: J8: Yes. lust a normal ?ight, an e?ticket. Like the rest of as common folk. But when was traveling with Je?rey, the majority of the time would be on the black jet. Now, when you say there would be times when you would travel by yourself because he was sending you somewhere, tell me about that. How did that come about? So, one of his colleagues would be at the Carribean or Santa Fe or even New York, or wherever, and he would call me up on those days where i am not working with him or in. Palm Beach with him, and he would ask me to get on the next plane to so and so and go meet so and so, and that?s when I would take e~tickets. His secretary or special assistant, whatever, would organize it for me and give me the details and I would just walk up the line and they?d let me right through. Can you give me any ideas as to how many times it happened that Jeffrey would send you off to meet some friend of his at some location outside of Palm Beach? How many times it happened? I?m not too sure. Probably about 10?15 times. 0k. And on those occasions, how much time would you spend with one of Jeffrey?s friends when you were sent to a location that you would have to travel to? Only a couple of days. Only 2 days, that?s it. And how were you paid for those trips? I would be paid in cash upon my arrival back with Jeffrey. So, whenever I was back with Jeffrey, he would count up how many days I?ve had, sometimes give me even more than What I deserved, not deserved, but what i earned and. give me a little extra. Was there a daily rate for those trips or was that per massage also? Per massage. With Jeffrey, i would be honest. i wouldn?t tell him I did 15 massages if i didn?t. He knew he could trust me. lie could always come back to the other person that he sent me to give massages and ask them as well, so you know, it was always by per massage. Alright. When we?ve been talking about massages, tell me exactly what it is we?re talking about when we speak about massages. Same thing I would do to Jeffrey. Again, it would start out as a massage, which would start with them being naked, and me giving him a legitimate massage to begin with, so NON PARTY (VR) 000190 GIUFFREOOZ 189 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 15 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone haterview with Virginia Roberts Page 14 of 23 IS: 58: 38: J8: I?d start with his feet, go up to his calves, up his legs, buttocks, back, his neck, his head, his arms, yada yada, and then it would be time to flip over, and some of the men would want me to continue on massaging the front side of them and they would instigate me to begin having sex with them or foreplay, whatever you want to call it. So routinely, these massages involved sexual activity. is that accurate? That is accurate. 0k. Let?s talk about the travel that you were involved in when you were on Jeffrey?s private plane. Generally speaking, who were the passengers on the plane when you traveled. Well, Larry was the pilot, and then there was a short, small solid guy, I don?t know his name, but he was a co?pilot, and then he changed and there was another guy brought in later on. Generally speaking, there was always e?rey, sometimes Ghislaine, sometimes Emmy, sometimes a whole bunch of other girls, sometimes famous people, sometimes some politicians or yeah, just about anybody could ?y on his plane. There was never no any set routine who would come and who would go. it was an influx of people on Jeffrey?s airplane. I want to deal with these things separately in order to respect some of the reservations that you have, so I?m going to ask you who the people were that you remember flying with Jeffrey on his plane when you were personally present without regard to whether there was any sexual activity that occurred on the plane or not. So I?m not asking you to implicate any of these famous people in improper conduct, but just tell me what the names of the people are that you remember that you consider to be famous people. Oh, there was Naomi Campbell, Heidi Klum, there was Bill Clinton. There was Al Gore, there was a whole bunch of models, I wouldn?t really honestly be able to give their names. There was Matt Groning the producer of the simpons cartoon, Jack CCousteau?s granddaughter a lot of interior designers, architects, politicians. I am just trying to think of as many names as possible for you. Off the top of my head, that?s as good as I can get for now. Oh, alright, that?s ?ne. And. again, i am not implying by my questions, nor do I want your answers to be interpreted as your suggesting that any or those people that you have just identified were engaged in any improper activities on any particular flight, but I want to talk to you now about what went on on occasion on the airplanethe same thing that went down on the ground. A lot of times, it would be just be me and Jeffrey, or me and Jeffrey and Ghislaine, or me and Jeffrey and some other girl, sometimes Emmy, Sarah, and Nadia Bjournik. There would be sexual conduct, there would be foreplay, there was a bed in there, so we could basically reenact exactly NON PARTY (VR) 000191 GIUFFREOOZ 190 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 16 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 15 of 23 J8: J8: J8: 18: J8: what was happening in the house. it would start off with massaging or we would start off with foreplay, sometimes it would lead to, you know, orgies. Were there occasions when you were in Jeffrey?s company, whether on the ground or in the air, where there were other girls present whom you knew to be under age 18?? Yes. There was a constant in?ux of girls coming in and going out. And we were alt very young. On occasion, there was some older girls, and I don?t mean oider as in like in their 303 or anything, I mean like 28, 29, something like that, just very rarely. The majority of the girls that ie?rey actually met or had on his plane or in his house were under age. Do you know how it is that Jeffrey established with any of these underage girls? Yes, I do. He would send me personally or with other girls to clubs or shops, to _pick up anywhere, I mean we were constantly on the look for other girls that might satisfy Jeffrey. What instructions were you. given about what to look for? Young, pretty, you know, a fun personality. They couldn?t be black. If they were any other descent other than white, they had to he exotically beautiful. That was just about it. Who gave you those criteria? They both gave us the instructions, and it wasn?t just me, Jeffrey asked most girls to bring a friend and make extra money. They would use us young girls So that way it probably looked a lot more safer to a girl that we were procuring to younger girls that were already doing it. That was the way that Jeffrey had it. Were you given any instruction at all on how to approach these girls? Yes. Jeffrey and Ghislaine both taught me to, depending on the circumstances, depending on the girl, you could offer them a job as a massage therapist or you could tell them you have a really rich friend with, you know, great contacts in the acting world or modeling world and he loves pretty giris, you should come back and meet him, make some money, you know, we had a whole bunch of ways to be state to procure girls. IS: Can you. give me any idea as to the total number of underage girls that you know engaged in sexual conduct with Jeffrey during the period of time you had your relationship with him? I would have no way of estimating that whatsoever. mean, there could be a hundred, there could be more, honestly l?m not too sure how many girls, reaily. I wish i did know. I mean like I said there were so many over the course of 4 years with Jeffrey. NON PARTY (VR) 000192 GIUFFREOOZ l9 1 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 17 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts i?age narrow it down a little bit. ls there any doubt in your mind that it was more than 10? Yes, there was de?nitely more than Oh, what I want you to do is to give me the highest number that you are comfortable in saying there were defmiteiy more than number of underage girls that I know Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sex with while I had a. relationship with him. How would you ?ll in that blank? De?nitely more than how many? I?d say de?nitely more than a hundred. Alright. Did Jeffrey ever heip to pick. out your clothes? Oh yes. I mean he wasn?t out to dress me like a porn star or anything. He would always dress me very classy, but we?d just go shopping all the time together. Did he ever express any style preferences in terms of how he wanted you to dress? Besides dressing classy, I?m, you know, any other suggestion to you about how he wanted you dressed? He didn?t, like I said, wasn?t trying to dress me in any prostitute way or anything like that. it was nice, classy out?ts I was wearing like Gucci, Dolce Gabbana, Chanel, things like that. He was buying me a lot of very, very nice clothing. It was provocative. I mean I was wearing miniskirts, and tight short shorts and little shirts that showed my belly and my cleavage and everything, but they were very expensive clothes. Was there every any dress up role playing? Yes. There was. Lots of it. Eeffrey loved the latex out?ts Ghislane had for us girls, he had bondage out?ts, he had all different kinds of out?ts, but his favorite was the schoolgirl. Tell me about that. Well, you know, Ghislaine would take me to dress me up to surprise IE or leffrey would .lS: ask me to get dressed up, that would inciude wearing a tiny little skirt with nothing underneath, a white collared shirt that you would be wearing to school with a tie in it, tied up Win a how?, my hair in pigtails, stockings on up to my knees, and I would go in there and act like a kid and we?d do role playing sexing. Did Jeffrey ever brag to you about the age of any of the girls with whom he had relationships? NON PARTY (VR) 000193 GIUFFREOOZ 192 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 18 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 17 of 23 V: 18: J8: J8: ES: Yes, he did. He did the time, The worst one that I heard from his owe mouth was this pretty 12 year old girls he had ?own in for his birthday. It was a surprise birthday gift from ose of his friends and they were from France. I did see them, I did meet them. Jeffrey bragged afterwards after he met them that they were 12 year olds and ?own over from France because they?re really poor over there, and their parents needed the money or whatever the case is and they were absolutety free to stay and ?ew out. Those were the worst ones. He was constantly bragging about giris? ages or where he got them from or their past and how terrible their past was and good he is making it for them. Where were the 12 year old girls ?own to from France? Where did they come to? Paint Beach. And were they flown in on Jeff 3 private plane or did they get transported? No. They were transported by somebody else. Gk. Was the sexual activity that went on on the airplane condaeted in such a way so that any of the crew was aware of what was going on? They were told to knock if they had to come out, if the crew had to come out. They were told, you know, to come out as little as possible, so they weren?t out there hanging out watching everything, no, but it doesn?t take an idiot to put two and two together to say well there?s a whole bunch of half dressed teenagers on board with this old man who is constantly being massaged by them and he wants me to keep the door shut for what reason? i mean, only they couid put that together, but yeah, they knew. Did Mr. Epstein ever talk to you about people of power and influence owing him favors? lie wouid laugh about it, you know, i never really knew what to take serious from Jeffrey because he was such a funny character at times. You never knew if what he was saying was true or not. Yeah, lots of peopie owed him favors from what he told me. He?s got everybody in his pocket, and he would laugh about he helps people for the sole purpose in the end they owe him something, That?s why I betieve he does so many favors in the ?rst place. 15: When and how did you become aware that Mr. bpstetn was in trouble With the taw! I was ?rst informed by, I think someone from the FBI called me ?rst and started to ask me questions, and I started to answer the questions but then fear took over, and I just said look, i don?t know what?s going on, I?ve got a young family that I don?t want to risk, you know, please don?t bother me about this again, and it was real short sitnpie conversation, and within a week or 2, I had gotten a call from Je?ey?s attorney, and then a week later, Jeffrey himself. NON PARTY (VR) 000194 GIUFFRE002193 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 19 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Teiephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 18 of 23 .IS: Gk, well let?s back up before we get to these conversations and tell me approximatety when it: was that you were contacted by the person who you believe was with the FBI. V: 0k. It?s hard for me to pinpoint, ifi had to pinpoint it, it wouid be in 2007 sometime. ES: Alright. And you were living in Australia at that time, correct? V: Correct. IS: You were contacted by telephone? V: That?s correct, by my celt phone. 5 S: St: and do you have any idea how your name came up leading to that contact. V: No idea. No idea whatsoever. When i did ask, I was told that some girls had revealed my name, i guess, and that?s how everybody, the FBI knew to contact me. S: OK. V: But i don?t know offhand or sorry, I just walked into the wrong room. S: Ok. V: Sorry go on. S: Yes 82; 1?11 never teli her you said that. Virginia, how long was it after that phone cat! from the FBI person were you contacted by Mr. Epstein?s lawyers. V: Like a week. It was back to back to each other. I remember being so scared after taiking to the FBI thinking what?s happening, what?s going on. It?s been like 6 years, 7 years at that stage, how did they ?nd me what do I have to do with this? So yeah, I do remember that very well, and it was oniy about a week later I was called by his attorney. 18: Who was it that contacted you, do you remember? V: 1' want to say 15111 Kiley, but he might have been Item the Hit. No, it was hit! Kiley. Btil Riley. Not sure if that?s his correct name, but that?s what is coming to mind 3 S: What do you remember about that conversation? V: I remember a Mr. Goldberger as wet}, I remember, there might have been two of them. JS: Alright. NON PARTY (VR) 000195 GIUFFREOOZ 194 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 20 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page can?t remember which one it was. I want to say Bill Riley is the good one. Alright, so either Bill Riley or a Mr. Goldberger or both of them contacted you, and what do you remember about that? i don?t know if it was the same guy who contacted me that week later who put me in touch with Jeffrey. I think he was on the phone and he put speakerphone on with Jeffrey. So be connected me with Jeffrey. I don?t know if it was the same guy or different, but I definitely know that Bill Riley was the ?rst guy to contact me. I?m pretty sure about that. 0k. Tell me about that conversation. He asked me what I knew about what?s going on with Jeffrey and apparently, there was an investigation being held about some of the giris who had come out and said that Jeffrey had sexual contact with them under the age of a minor and that he was discrediting lot of these girls and making them out to be drug addicts and prostitutes and what have you so they wouldn?t be iooked upon as worthy in the court?s eyes so to speak. And you know, he told me in the ?rst ?ve minutes that, you know, if I stay quiet, that ?I?ll be looked after? . And that was the exact way it was said. it wasn?t like you know, i?m gonna pay you a zillion dollars or anything if you be quiet, but ifi stay quiet, would ?looked after?. And I remember saying i don?t want any part to do with this. You know, this is not something I want to be a part of, I?ve got a yonng family. I wish the best for everybody in this, you know, take care kind of thing. A week later, I was called after the hearing by one of Jeffrey?s lawyers. I can?t tell you exactly which one it was but he had Jeffrey on the other line and be connected Jeffrey and I, and Jeffrey tried to make some simple conversation, ?How are you? How have things been?? You know what I mean, catching up. Do you know if the iawyer, did the lawyer stay on the line while Jeffrey was speaking to you? I?m pretty sure he did. That?s why I think Jeffrey was on speaker phone because it sounded a lot different, and I was never taken off the line to begin with or connected to another line, so i was pretty sure Jeffrey was on speaker phone and the lawyer was making the call. After the simple conversation, it led to what was going on again and you know, Jeffrey couldn?t believe it. You know, he thought he helped all these girls out. He didn?t think he was wrong in any Circumstance here at all. A lot of these girls were drug addicts and just after drug money. You know, he was really putting down these women or these girls 1 should say, not giving them the credit they deserved, and then be exactly repeated what the lawyer said the week before is that he would look after me if I stayed quiet, and if i need any help, you know, his lawyers would represent me and he would get legal help for me, whatever i need, he would do, and I told him exactly, I said, ?Jeffrey, I?m the mother of two children at that stage. I?m away from everything there, I don?t want to be a part of it. For not going to speak to anybody and I don?t want to speak to anybody, I don?t want to be involved.? That was the last time I heard from him. And the MOM PARTY (VR) 000196 GIUFFRE002195 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 21 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Teiephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 20 of 23 IS: 33: next thing I knew, I was sent my Victim?s letter, my noti?cation of being a victim through the US Attorney?s Of?ce and that?s when I knew it was well out there enough not to have Jef?ey?s lawyers come back on me and discredit me in the same way he had done to all the other girls. So, i called up Joseph Bird who was the recommended lawyers on my paperwork that they had given me and started going from there. So you contact Mr. Joseph Bergs? of?ce and then you were dealing with his of?ce from that point forward. That?s correct. Teil me about the ending of your relationship with Jeffrey. That is, at what point in time did your full time employment end and how did that happen? Ok. So, it hadn?t really ended. I walked away from it all. Jeffrey sent me to Thailand where I met my husband and escaped to Australia, never to return back to the states. About 6 months prior to that, he came up with a proposition that I thought was really disgustingly sick. And it really showed me for the first time in 4 years I had been. with him that nothing was going to change and I was always just going to be used by him(?) which I did not like. He offered me a mansion and some of his money every month, I forget what he called it, a income of what he made to hear one of his children. The proposition was that if anything ever happened between Eeffrey and I, that I wouid have to sign my child over to him basically and that the child would be his and Ghislaine?s, and I would be looking after it as long as nothing happened between Jeffrey and 1. So, I was kind of freaked out by all of that. I pushed Jeffrey more to please get me some more training, you know, and I was getting older and not of as much interest to Jeffrey anyways. I was 19 now, and he likes a female a lot younger. So he sent me to Thailand, in September 2002?. was ?rst supposed to meet a girl there and bring her back with me, but I never met Up with her. I proceeded get a short course in Thai massage so that was to shut me up ahout my training so I went there, and one of my friends from school invited me to watch a ?ght, like a muay thai ?ght, which is like a form kickboxing. So i went and watched it, and I saw this guy that was a really good ?ghter, and a girl?s word, looked really hot, so I asked my friend who knew him to introduce me. We got introduced and fell in love immediately, 3 days later Rob proposed and 7 days later I was being manned in a huddist temple. I called .Ief??ey and told him I?m sorry, I?m never coming back. i?ve gotten married, I?ve fallen in love. I thought he?d wish the best ES: tor me but he was kind or rude and he just said ?have a good life? and hung up the phone, and that was the last time I?d talked to him ever until all. this started again. 0k. Virginia, is there anything else that you would like to add to what you have told us up to this point in time? I?d like to know that this time around somethings going to he done about it and that Jeffrey and a lot of his colleagues, no matter how rich they are, will know that there is NON PARTY (VR) 000197 GIUFFRE002196 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 22 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 21 of 23 IS: IS: IS: law and that there is people that still believe in it. So that?s it. Thank you guys for listening to me, hearing me out and helping me. It?s kind of hard to get through. Thank you very mach. Yes, I?m sure it has been very dif?cult and I are very appreciative of the courage you have shown in doing what you have done, which really brings me to the last subject, and that is what was it that motivated you to go public with all of this? Sharon Richard contacted me. i like her, I do, I like her a iot. I know she?s a journalist, and journalists are normally bloodsucking leeches, but I like her for that, but she is an honest bloodsucking leech. She told me a lot about what was going on, and she showed me a picture of Jeffrey with a little girl who looks like she could have been 12 years old. i mean it was disgusting. I agreed to taik with her, i never agreed to do anything until she showed me some pictures, and at that stage, being a mother of 3 children and having a daughter who I would do anything for to protect, I would put my neck on the line to make sure she never has to go through what I had to go through, and knowing all of this, and knowing that he?s still out there doing the same exact thing with no regrets, no remorse, no worry about what he?s doing to those girls, and all those girls feeling the same way that I did, so I, you know, I?m doing it because I believe in my heart of hearts it?s the right thing to do. It?s What I would want somebody to do for my daughter or my sister or my friend, and it saddens me to know that it?s still going on right now. It?s like the seashell story. I don?t know if you?re heard the story about the little kid who throws back a starfish, you know, the little brother tries to ask his sister, ?why do you throw them in, they?re all gonna die anyways, the little girl says ?well, it?s this one that i can help, and this one that I can help,? arid that?s what I feel like For doing. I?m making a small dent in this big world we live in. I certainly appreciate that courage, and have heard that story, and you?re absolutely right, that one person may not be able to make a ditt?erence for everyone, but one person can make a difference for someone, and hopefully, you are making a difference for someone, and we?re gonna do the best we can to make sure you are making a difference for as many people as possible. Thanks Jack. Just a few other follow up things I want to ask you and again, if any of these questions are qeestions that you?re uncomfortable in responding to, then don?t hesitate to tell me IS: that. Do you have any recollection of Jeffrey Epstein?s speci?cally toiling you that ?Bili Clinton owes me favors?? Yes. I do. It was a laugh though. He would laugh it off. "You know, I remember asking Jeffrey what?s Bill Clinton doing here kind of thing, and he laughed it off and said well he owes me a favor. He never told me what favors they were. i never knew. i didnlt know if he was serious. It was just a joke. Where was here? NON PARTY (VR) 000198 GIUFFREOOZ 197 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 23 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 22 of 23 V: He told me a long time ago that everyone owes him favors, They?re all in each other?s pockets. .l S: When you say you asked him why is Bill Clinton here, where was here? V: On the island. I S: When you were present with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton on the island, who else was there? V: Ghislaine, Emmy, and there was 2 young girls that I could identify. 1 never really knew them well anyways. It was just 2 girls from New York. S: And were all of you staying at Jeffrey?s house on the island including Bill Clinton? V: That?s correct. l-ie had about 4 or 5 different villas on his island separate from the main house, and we all stayed in. the villas. S: Were sexual orgies a regular occurrence on the island at Jeffrey?s house? V: Yes. 18: If we were to take sworn testimony from the people I am going to name, and if those people were to tell the truth about What they knew, do you believe that any of the following peeple would have relevant information about Jeffrey?s taking advantage of underage girls? So I?ll just name a name, and you tell me yes it" they told the truth, I think they?d have relevant information or no, I don?t think they would, or i don?t know whether they would or not. Oh? You understand? V: Yes. JS: 0k. Les Wexner. V: i think he has relevant information, but I don?t think he?ll tell. you the truth. .l S: UK. Alan Dershownz. V: Yes. I S: David Copper?eld. V: Don?t know. 3 S: Tommy Matola. NON PARTY (VR) 000199 GIUFFREOOZ 198 Case Document 1090-16 Filed 07/30/20 Page 24 of 24 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 23 of 23 V: Don?t know. 8: Prince Andrew. V: Yes, he would know a lot of the truth. Again, 1 don?t know how much he would be able to help you with, but seeing he?s in a lot of trouble himself these days, i think he might, so I think he may be valuable. l?m not too sure of him. IS: 0k. Virginia, I think that?s all I have for you. Let me tell you what i would like to do. As I told you in the beginning of this conversation, we?ve. been recording it, and hopefully, we?ve got a clear enough recording so that we?ve taken down everything accurately and when it?s transcribed, it will be clear and accurate, but what i would like to do is transcribe it, send it to you, have you take a look at it, and if there?s anything that we got wrong in the statement, you can write back and you can make changes in the transcript so that the transcript is accurate. is that fair? V: No worries. That is fair. No problem. JS: Alright, great. I really do appreciate that and tell me what the best way is to send the transcript to you. V: Email. If you just want to send it by email or if you want to send it by mail, either or. S: 0k. Give me your email address if you would please. v: S: Let me read that back to you: V: Yep that?s it. BE: Thank you lenna, appreciate it. V: No problem, Brad. .18: Thank you very very much. Bye Bye now. V: Take care Jack. Nice meeting you. 53: You too. *Redaction has been made. at the request of the witness. NON PARTY (VR) 000200 GIUFFREOOZ 199