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FD-302 -1 of 8- Saint Andrews Plaza, III, AUSA , Special Agent After being advised of the nature of the interview, FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION , date of birth New York, New York. Present , AUSA and Date of entry 01/15/2020 was interviewed at One for the interview was AUSA Detective attorney identity of the above listed individuals and the provided the following information: Not long after meeting JEFFREY EPSTEIN, described what she calls the "training period". During taught her sexual experiences. look for, including younger females and descriptions. EPSTEIN would describe that he doesn't like black people, piercings and tattoos. EPSTEIN would say the "girl from next door" and "younger the better". MAXWELL and EPSTEIN would constantly remind her of what EPSTEIN liked. would have a lot of conversations with EPSTEIN in his steam room. was scared at the time as it was just her and EPSTEIN. would be touching EPSTEIN's feet. would be on the bottom tier in the steam room and his feet would be in the middle. this time, EPSTEIN and GHISLAINE MAXWELL They would have conversations about what to recalled having a conversation with MAXWELL and outside one day while smoking a cigarette. They were outside the "yellow room" and were sneaking the cigarette because EPSTEIN didn't like people who smoked. asked MAXWELL how she handled EPSTEIN with the girls. MAXWELL stated it "takes pressure off me having to do it". said the "more we get, less we have to do". MAXWELL stated that he loves them young. The younger the better. understood that to mean under 18 because that was her age and MAXWELL and EPSTEIN wanted girls her age. Investigatkoon 09/09/2019 at New York, New York, United States (In. Person) Filet; by 50D—NY-3027571 Date shafted 12/03/2019 This document contains neither recommendations not conclusions oldie FBI. It is the ptopeny of the FBI and is loaned to you' agency; it and its contents ate not to be distributed outside your agency. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.226.041 Page I or8 EFTA 00075951 EFTA01249021 FD-302a (Rev. 5-840) 50D-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of ( U) Interview of .on 09/09/2019 ,page 2 of B was given some money to go shopping and to recruit girls. She was told the "younger the better". If she didn't bring enough girls or the right girls she would be in trouble. understood that EPSTEIN had a sex addiction. was told by EPSTEIN that he would give her $300 instead of $200 for incentive if he liked the girl she brought in. MAXWELL would teach how to recruit. MAXWELL and would go shopping together. MAXWELL would say "see that girl over there...go get her". was told to say something like "I know this really nice guy who likes to help people out, you can make some money, he can help with education and modelling". would tell the girls they were going to have to give massages but they were not normal massages. MAXWELL was a master at walking up to strangers. When had time off from being with EPSTEIN she would tell people at parties about all the stuff she has and the apartment that she paid for. would sometimes be told "here's $500, go shopping, go to sex store see if girls are hanging around". was on Xanax around this time. If was to get a "yes" from a girl she would give them her cell phone number or she would get their number and tell them "I'll let you know". would then describe the girl to EPSTEIN. On occasion, would bring the girl in and EPSTEIN would not like her, then would get in trouble. would maybe pick up a girl or maybe the girl would call would tell EPSTEIN that she stopped a girl when sometimes she didn't just to show him that she was trying. would call MAXWELL and say that she has a girl who wants to come to massage EPSTEIN. MAXWELL would schedule a day and time. was a mastermind in finding girls. would watch her do it. MAXWELL would say to "you're so bad at this let me show you how it's done". One time in France, MAXWELL approached a beautiful red headed girl. stayed back to observe. MAXWELL asked her if she would like to make money, then they all went back together to a hotel as EPSTEIN's apartment was being renovated. Some of the parties that brought girls to EPSTEIN would like some of the girls and he would get their numbers. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.226.041 Page 2 of 8 EFTA_00075952 EFTA01249022 FD-302a (Rev. 5-R-10) 50D-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of (O) Interview of .On 09/09/2019 ,page 3 of 8 was great at what she did. felt that "did not fit in the box" of EPSTEIN's typical girls. das good at picking up girls and very sexual. would get driven by Girls would go to house then they would go to EPSTEIN's together. MAXWELL would tell what time to bring them. Sometimes would give the girls EPSTEIN's address and they would go to the mansion. JUAN ALESSI was EPSTEIN's driver in Palm Beach. He would pick up and drop her off. Sometimes had girls with her. Sometimes, when arrived at the house, she would knock on the door and it would be answered by either ALESSI, MARY (MARIA), MAXWELL, or If MAXWELL answered the door and liked what she saw she would say "hi, how are you". It would be very limited interaction with MAXWELL. would bring the girl upstairs. If she brought them, she would stay in the room through the whole massage if EPSTEIN liked them. does not recall bringing anyone in New York. remembered bringing girls in Florida because she would meet girls at parties. estimated that she brought approximately less than 20 girls but is not sure of the exact number. Bringing in girls was what regrets the most. witnessed so many girls coming through the door. was subservient and did whatever EPSTEIN wanted. EPSTEIN told to quit so she did. If EPSTEIN ever told her to see him at 5 o'clock she came at 5 o'clock. traveled quite soon after meeting EPSTEIN. She initially thought it was 6 months after her "training period" started, but after comparing her records to flight records thinks it was 3 months. There was a lot of travel. The travel seemed as though it was weekly, or every other week. At some point, got strung out on drugs and EPSTEIN told her he did not want her around at that time. At some point, got in trouble with the police. called EPSTEIN and told him that, "I know you own the Palm Beach Police Department and I'm in trouble, can you help me?". MAXWELL would call parents' house. If her parents would answer they would tell that MAXWELL called. did not have a cell phone. stayed in one of the apartments on 66th street. On one CONFIDENTIAL 3501.226.041 Page 3 of 8 EFTA_00075953 EFTA01249023 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) S0D—NY-3027571 Continwilkm of FD402 of ( O ) Interview of .On 09/09/2019 _page 4 of B occasion, went for a walk and was gone for a few hours. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN were waiting for her when she returned and were angry that she was not waiting for them inside the apartment. At this time, MAXWELL bought a cell phone. Also on this day, they tell to get her stuff and she goes to stay with them on the 4th floor of his mansion. The only time would leave would be if EPSTEIN told her to go to the sex store or to go find girls. does not remember staying at EPSTEIN's mansion in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN gave money for an apartment in Florida. hen started going to EPSTEIN's, she would not tell her parents she was going there. She told them that she was working on her massage therapist certification. She would tell her parents she would not be home for a few days and they wouldn't argue with her about it. recalled bringing to EPSTEIN a blonde girl with wavy hair that EPSTEIN loved but does not remember her name. brought , her boyfriend EPSTEIN didn't like her as she was dark skinned and had piercings. lived in Royal Palm Beach. He previously worked as a rior to dating but was not sure where he had worked. EPSTEIN had a duffel bag that he kept under his desk in Palm Beach that contained large sums of money in it. Sometimes EPSTEIN would pay the girls from there. Sometimes EPSTEIN would tell to get the money from ALESSI. Around this time, wanted to make MAXWELL happy. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN wanted to show the world. MAXWELL was the mastermind to make all this happen for EPSTEIN. Sometimes MAXWELL would be really nice if she wanted something. There was a dark side to MAXWELL that would make feel like garbage as in "you owe me" for what you're eating...wearing etc. feels that this situation wasn't purely just about money. She described it as a dysfunctional family to include EPSTEIN, MAXWELL and described a situation that occurred on EPSTEIN's island in which they were all watching "Sex and the City" and eating popcorn. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.226.041 Page 4 of 8 EFTA_00075954 EFTA01249024 FD-3029(Rev.5-R-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (U) Interview of 09/09/2019 ,h g, S of B Towards the end of the episode was massaging EPSTEIN's feet. EPSTEIN directed MAXWELL to take off her clothes and she told down on her. Then she would get involved. to go On another occasion in West Palm Beach, MAXWELL used a very large sexual toy on told her that it hurt but MAXWELL did not stop. This was on EPSTEIN's bed and MAXWELL "got off on it". MAXWELL hated the girls. EPSTEIN had a sickness and so did MAXWELL. MAXWELL had an ever changing personality. had seen MAXWELL recruit and heard from other people including MAXWELL that she recruited. MAXWELL stated that it takes the pressure off of her from having to have sex with EPSTEIN if she finds more girls for him. When watched MAXWELL recruit a french girl, she noticed that MAXWELL was very confident. MAXWELL would get them to do what EPSTEIN needed. Towards the end, MAXWELL was not as involved sexually. Her abuse started more earlier on. EVA DUBIN used to be the same as MAXWELL. originally thought she was 15 years old when she met MAXWELL but records reflect that she was 16 years old. MAXWELL picked up from and told her the truth that she was just learning how to massage. left to go to EPSTEIN's house. and MAXWELL massage EPSTEIN and they interview . It seemed like it was a legitimate interview and massage. They asked her how she was, where she went to school and asked about her family life. They snickered at underwear. They liked them the truth about everything including her age. They gave what she described as interested "Cheshire grins". Then EPSTEIN turned over and knew it was not legit. told them that she had been trafficked in the past. heart shaped K-mart panties. told recalled getting presents from MAXWELL and EPSTEIN on the island for one of her birthdays. It was possibly her 18th birthday. For 19th birthday, EPSTEIN and MAXWELL bought tickets to go to MAXWELL talked about meeting a prince (PRINCE ANDREW) and told make him happy. MAXWELL told to do the exact same things to him that she did for EPSTEIN because he is a good friend of MAXWELL's. CONFIDENTIAL to 3501.226.04I Page 5 of 8 EFTA_00075955 EFTA01249025 FD-302a (Rev. 5-R-10) 50D-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of ( U) Interview of .On 09/09/2019 % page 6 of B was one of the girls knew the most in the "family". did not like what she had to do. One time in France, gets a joint and she and go out to the roof to smoke it and chat about the job. EPSTEIN didn't approve of drugs. told that she hates what she does. was more of MAXWELL's pet and never saw her lent out to other people. met in Santa Monica, California, about three months after her training period. had already proven herself at this time. EPSTEIN told that they were going to meet one of his favorites. There were about eight girls there. EPSTEIN said that he bought her this small house on Santa Monica Beach. They go there with all of the girls. and EPSTEIN go into a room and and become intimate together. already knew exactly what to do and what EPSTEIN liked. on one occasion got in trouble for bringing cocaine to the island. EPSTEIN would say that other than MAXWELL, was the best for picking up girls. does not recall specifically seeing doing this but she does recall it happened. and didn't really get along. entire day was around MAXWELL and MAXWELL was always around EPSTEIN. thought was there prior to the year III. and left a few months prior to leaving but she was not sure. described as havin was well versed in life but towar s t e end s.e starte oo ing worn and tired. was part of the "family" but not as much and was not there all of the time. Other than the first sexual experience with and EPSTEIN there were too many other instances to count. Some of the house staff included the following: -JUAN and MARY ALESSI (Palm Beach) -"The COWBOY" (Zorro ranch) -CATHY and MILES (The island) -JO JO the driver/butler (New York) CONFIDENTIAL 3501.226.04I Page 6 of 8 EFTA_00075956 EFTA01249026 FD-302a (Rev. 5$10) 50D-NY-3027571 Conunwmion of FD402 of 1U) Interview of well. .On 09/09/2019 _page 7 of B (East coast). EPSTEIN stated she would get girls for him as was there more often than other girls. -SHERATON LNU was there more often than other girls. recalled being "lent out", as she used to call it, ten years ago. The first instance, or her first memory of being lent out was after she got an apartment in Florida. It was after MAXWELL bought her a cell phone. MAXWELL told ANDERSSON and GLEN DUBIN. what she did told she could go for EPSTEIN. to not touch into labor. to go to the "Breakers" to massage EVA MAXWELL told that she had to do to DUBIN ANDERSSON was to be a legit massage. MAXWELL ANDERSSON's ankles because she was pregnant and At one point, MAXWELL and EPSTEIN said they were going to test out and try her out with other people if she wanted to become a real massage therapist. They were training on how to give blow jobs during her training period. was taught very specifically how to do this. put a finger in men's butts to touch their prostate and make them ejaculate. was taught to stimulate the nipples. was lent out so many times that she started to use drugs. could not give a number as to how many times she was lent out but it was to men and women. Lots of men. More often, she saw the same person multiple times than just to one person one random time. It was different who would orchestrate the situation each time was lent out - sometimes EPSTEIN, sometimes MAXWELL. When they were in New York, they would call her on the 4th floor and have her come to the massage room at a particular time. was never paid by the 3rd party for the massage nor recalled a conversation she may have had with them about money. One time, a man who owned a hotel, tried to take EPSTEIN to work as a masseuse for him. away from At the time, did not know everyone's first and last names but she figured it out later. She knew "The Dubins" first and last names. knew ALAN DERSHOWITZ's first and last name. knew PRINCE ANDREW as PRINCE ANDREW. was asked if she was aware of any other girls that were lent out CONFIDENTIAL 3501.226.041 Page 7 of 8 EFTA_00075957 EFTA01249027 FD-302a (Rev. 5•&10) SOD-NY-3027571 Continuation of F0.302 of (o) Interview of 09/09/2019 ,Page 8 of 8 like she was. stated that was a participant in sex acts with lots of third parties. was lent out. They were lent out together. was with when she was lent out. was lent out a few times. There were more girls, whose names that could not think of who were also lent out. came in towards the end of time with EPSTEIN. Due to the interest of time, not all subject matter was covered during the course of this interview. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.226-041 Page 8 of 8 EFTA_00075958 EFTA01249028