EFTA01714051

julAsceiiii, EFTA01714051 DRAFT 1 2 5 6 • • e: ~reference cam number 05.398 The If me now, by my welch. Is aryrtutInnittely 6 minute, peg 20m on LIS05. (Ineadble) rornot cu.. If ene's friend of yours or not, by the ramie OM Co you know 2 what fin logrig *bout? Yes. • Okay. I hoar your yoke pal very bw all of a sudden so l you clone mind.. G Oh. ally. B 6 is even kg 1. Okay, Can you loll me how you Move 8 g Jal. IN: OW, the . Prestol abe ls...codd yono slag your mime 7 She's m ond whore you name? 10 PINS*? 9 • 11 10 • '3 that his last name? 12 e: Spell your name gem? 11 • Yee. 13 14 • And tour data el MT? • 12 13 • • What 'ChM' toner g010? (Inhaditle) 15 ■ 4 • And you said his your How long ago was Mar? 15 e: Ard ya ere? IS e I done know. (Ake Mo months, lib months and a hell rage. 17 18 S IS a md? Therapist Card tou spell your name please? • 16 17 • HO« Song dld sou ~7 Three 19 20 21 AM you're her la may therapist? Amt correct? ■ Yes. . le 20 10. • • Not Ø Areal You mot rar throoghe? Yeah, I met het "flea I were to darer a. Ma Okay. And do you knonlffilasl name? 22 Okay. I'm here today,. erg I heve staled briefly why I'm here Is ■ 21 • Na I ~1. 23 reference to an Modena gal happened le a kgrd c4 yours, or e girl you know. 22 • Co you know where she Me 0 Pape I of 43 23 Yes. She eves cn away from met Paget of 43 Okay. 2 • (natqlble) 3 E Okay, Ant loll me now wall happened wen.. 4 E y well, gird Urns of hanging oul vom., cause I was a mein, welt 5 E And we ewe owe there walcfing a movie end this guy called or ;Maly II was a woman bolt was fora guy. And stags lalking to. and then the said that. well done knowevactly chat thewoman saki bur the sold do you have tottery gat c4th you end El »id yes and then she grid are Attu Ortngtra 9 Mem to Me guys house? In Gardena or wherever he lives. And she sild I done 10 know. Ill cal you Wk. AM hen she log. lhal I witsgonna come hide her 11 10 11* guy.* house se Mal, so Mal she vas gonna get peg, Ike I don'l know 12 how moon money bul Ude man's been paying money. AN Mal she was panna 13 borg me along and Man was Wto no, you're mot takho her and then she's 14 Ike wok nl atk her and Men the lug log rte. the Mine lo3 me chatelaine's IS genre do. she told me she's going le some old gufs house end (naudile) get le my 00433 and go shopping. So I was Ike. okay. And then we wenti done glow 17 whet day k was cause she picked me up. ten pretty sure It was a Seturdey or • it Sunday. So she OCAS me up and we gel h the car and she (Inaudible) and 11 Then we kin and we were sill &mkt) and Mon we went to his house ond we were 20 waging in Ile kighen and the ow man come and he's Ike, hero. rm...I done 21 ovenknow. I Mink WI Jet I'm Jet and then we, rrn lko Md then 22 she um went upstairserr:Stages; gave Pm money and we went tack 40weellers 23 we weren't there, we were Crily there for We 30 mantel end ern we left and Pne ol 43 1 2 3 4 6 a 1 0 11 12 13 • 14 15 • 16 • 17 16 19 20 • 21 imp Ukted. 22 23 Men she ;Isn't to go le Marsha's lo go gel tome, a aket and a purse but sno didn't gel the skirl. She only ended up getting Me pone and Mal was Ike a label/ purse. , ?nets all that happened? Urn hm. Wed. I'm heating a bl mare hao>enei. Lim what. I know, SavAW wont wound the *cheer? Ike Weal wen: ereund tie ser3301. Tell me vital happened el stool In school, everybody was mega that I got gag $300 vind me. for the old man. Thal Oka guy. Cause first of al, le Iho od mart Men II was= WM to obi men and glen it wig I'm lint a prof/.1e end I '93 3no l" vea4 33 stpWre's6Ing time rumors around? Gm, my. Ilis gel she used to be my Ilonda but I puns.... Where 'agog she get From. beano I Wei. Wt's what I Mink I IhIrk who n I he pat very mad end bo the obl tese INS all. she hated me bt C41.1.1 et I ~end she Ikea Nm. Vtll 'h gkl wall*? Yeah. wont out brah lem so aha stoned sproadhs treso rumors? Pogo 4 of 43 rats. ne, ....~~i01~~"3 •XVCCC~Ø~). W."0•W;lkaS k.. n • EFTA01714052 DRAFT Cave. I went out to the fair cr4 She wee supposed la 9) with him int. I Pita t•t. • • And there's Ike Mk Weld chat% that you can At cn. 2 3 he ddel Ike her and Venn styled Taking and the got mad beams° I was Viking to Mn. 2 3 Stools. is. Ardwo were juel wing there welting cause he wasn't there yet. Then Vent doea...con you loll me mom about= 4 he came Mlle after we were standing there about 3 minutes. Couse itim, there 5 I wont deify knew that mud. All I know Is Inx she, the way limp I ante/ at out • S was a gate ands bodyguard guy. When we openea Ne gee and loccked hub the: Ike. the met him at 6 pady. 3 Um door. satembr seine guy. Ike a 17:Mgusid kind of. type Cf guy. Same guy 7 Thais to only thing I know and Nal she hos blown hair and eke. I dont really 7 walked up Orel he's like, excuse me. whet am you here for and were here to see a knew about her. Intl to her house (inaudible) 6 Jeff. Arid then he wits Okay, wel corn, Inside, Jeffl be here In Itko 5 Num. 9 We Malang me?...and I word you to Mow sornetdm. okay? 9 And then we waited and he was Ike you can help wined toe drek. Aid Nen 10 11 Umhm. • Regemletts of what has happened. okay] I'm being vary honest. You're not F . 10 11 he left and then Ike 2 minutes efterIlm guy MIL Jeff and a lady walked In and they Introdixed themselves and we're Pk*. hk my name IsMnd men she'. 12 bode tor anything. 12 Re IM(Ineudble) and then gem's the a walk In door Ulm, that you walk In 13 I Mow. • 13 sae a cabinet IMP, not a cabthet but the Island tang (insucibto) end then the 14 1Allether yeti did eamettang with Ms man of not 14 door would be Milt there. 15 ■ 15 Okay. 16 Whetter you OM something with lets man. Whet Tin tryng lo do Is OM out If WS ■ 16 Yeah,( inaudbia) ) 7 type of Mg Is going on and yotrre not the orgy one end !dent think you am Um 17 In Se theywaked away our of your 4ht? 10 drier one. 16 Um Am. Wel thee was Mother old there. I was never by myself. I don't ICI I don't NM Sc either cause the Ober id= (Inate/Ne)he knows.' No 19 remember the giWs name but elite= Fend. 20 and 1, Corse het tellAq ma. ha lite Witted° yeti know,. and Montero. 20 May. • 21 22 23 the fist -Oh Niigata bad oriel Ike okay, too bad. OW you Co acetify wen thts man? • No. we went upstate and Jusi Oct mono), ent, 1000 know... • 21 22 23 She was.l.• ■ M UNN lids. do you hays 6n Wet at what why this women, this assistant, wined ask land enybodywM Mil Page 5 of 43 Pagel of 43 . don't MOH bbl what you seethe hdy, she may Ike nauclIblej I don't know 1 into a fight with a chi= for salad that 00Cause the said that I was. had 2 what's wrong. P mean when she waked In, she was like kind el Ike. I don't know, bur she wee Ml Ike, urn. the coked/ft say eroding stout her, she was just first 2 done at that with the old man level Thai matey and Nal's rot true. That's why I got reallyarty and then wo tIntudehei before NM and then when I went to the 4 nerd erd that's It and then We was junkie debt loth Pent She clidn1 try to 4 Othee to (hattafte) the pincIpal bit actually she (del say anwhim et gin and 5 be Merely. you know. • 6 • then she was eel= tell her We of Ute'story. con I see yow purse and I It What do you mow the didn't try to be Iderdl7 6 was Ike gst ahead and (thaudtdr) end I'm Ike yes owl Non my dad, my dad and 7 She wasn't it, N, I'm Ilk& you know (maw/IVs) the ern just Ilke hl, I'm and I 7 the pirv3pat and my they mire all eke um. why did you do that with an 8 dent remember Mr name but she said sno was from Ohio. I temente, that Aid your Mend. o' =Mend stayed In the car? old man and who Is to oil man lila hen, blab, kith, IAA. And then I wee lie I dWn7 do anything! 1 didn't do 'milling, And they tfddit been me. And I 10 In No, she was with us. When wo walked N. and she set she was Pat there. she 10 lard of got mad at and son the whole thing. Ours when Inkned back to my 11 didn't do anything. she was with me. We were that MN al the table, rke we 11 morn's house Docauso my dad thought I wee a methyl.. And It was 17 were skiing hosing a convensatkin lot Ike two seconds. Than'. come back 12 Youlnow Thal Mt bemuse something may have hoppened, That doesn't make 13 dovmatalre and then she's Ike thanks Jot( ant then I'm Ike bye Jeff and then the .13 you a posilltule. 14 15 18 17 Olhet ell was Ike by* and Own we telt • Okay. die tell you what wss poky on upstairs? In No. She just I dkinl ask because likeM the orgy reason I know the money was to go &speak)°, That, Mat Pneudilde). 14 15 16 17 • • • • I Selene. 00 you7 Yes. Okay. Do you ward something le drink? 10 CM she gin pou in7 monW? 15 19 In Unihm. 19 'Am you sure? 20 • Hour moth moon 20 ■ Yeah. 21 • 5300. 21 you know. Dee been doing It for a lang time end We rot eaykkg youtre not 22 kihat did you 6, with Me 53C0? 22 toting me the Irulh. I think were not toting am FO Wide truth stout what 23 • I didn't spend II. end then I wont to school and then my prinepal. cause I got 23 heppered. Okay? Matter of fact. I know Kula not And I know you might be • Page 6 of 43 Page 9 of 43 EFTA01714053 DR MTh WI' 1 2 • 3 4 • • • • e 10 • 12 • 13 14 • 15 • 17 15 19 20 21 22 23 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 g 10 11 i 13 te ilsti akehl kedng on IL.. Okay, L. (lomedbies)beause they already tune to my dad's hone and Noy et Men•IHru to my Wad my dad Okay.' Give me your hand. rm here to Nip you. Look at ne. I don't went Mn to pa hun bemuse he steady awosl !re here to hob yea Honey, rin Panne on you same water. Okay? Okay. I'm nth m hem you, okay? rm b•Ing honest, okeY? rrn C48n9 In he senied fron) bul I need sou 10 be up troll sah me, okay? Okay. The only way I can hop you Is II you're honest with rm. a hwidred percent honed OM me. Oki?. Your couractors not hem. Tell me what happened. Now be honest stout K. Okay. When I got them that Jett guy and ase lady were them end Mtn tha lacty Wonted Me b Cart apelaks and 'het Ike. she's IAN lo me ard then sh0 was peeing on a tab,. Ike bla massage. And than on\ and Men when and then she rho pee the m ews on the table 3,4 OityliktIl WOWS to ske (h0uØle) whatever and she's Ile. oh JedWObe W h a second. And then Ilte Jett puY got Noce. shown Ike, the was eke. take oft wave MOWS end I dahl know whet lo to because I was the only one up theta and so I tnt loCK off my $1311 and I was Nato and then he came In and had a lewd merlins and he was Ike no, lake Page 10 or 41 Iffi Okay. Bye. (!novellble) Um, you know valis (Inaudible). rm gonna clown NMI She Imam Its l0 end res. Okay. Yin reel better ~I her hero? ▪ yeah. brava An oritoriassed cause it's reedy grass and We.., le It h. W I _might IN my mom • That's why I'm here. Okay? MO I don't want my parents lo kid out. lee Because I toed them IIwasn't voce. E Your earen11 bye you. Okay? And Nob main zing Is tor you to be heathy. Okay? Net only physically bul up hen. Md hey know that right now your Moe Is • »I of ise4ta end I gunk Isis Is one of roam. Become law you mid. you thought 16 ewes gross. Right? I? 1, Cause he's Vie 4$ years old. le e 'Mors Okay. lee backtrack a 011. When you went hit= tel me the pan 19 were K was the INT. Okay? You were WO. and=enu lest 90? 20 • Yeah. Okay. we were waldn1WIdonl reencembet Me movie. bal know we were 21 wolcishg a Ilse* end then we were gonna go and leke a Me. Caine me and 22 E were gonna got dropped on al tnt bowing ally soM (haudiNe) obo 23 was saying and her MM. poi a from all and then the was Papa 12 of 43 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 IS 16 IT 10 19 23 21 22 23 1 ofl everything. So Heist took oil my pants and I was 'n my bra and underwear 2 and he was hice now you're gonna gtvo me • mange. Then he went on the table and he's be but the ably Mm was pulling down the table, got 014 three. 4 bilen and at* them on the tab's and Mari he [Prised up sul %Nth belen.. He 5 was Nut ;Ow mo • massage +Nth this biion end then I was giving him a 6 mastaw and M se/d 5ou con get on my bsc,k. So he was on ihe table ands 7 was suedOto Nm On Ma bens end Siang hun a mating and Wen he was 8 MS's; amend and Nen he ad then he's tke oh nu have a realt' hot body and Mtn I was eke, that's disgusting. but 1 cfriert say that and Men he's 10 Ike oh, mouse me lota second and he, Iguesshe weM Into the other roam and 11 he= 'negate and Nen he Cann beck and eold lo me Ilke, I'm done. And 12 then he's Ike, here's your «my and then I was gated Commie,* and he noted 11 el eks and slurt, he', Ike bye. rice b moot you. hope you can come back agate 14 and IhenIM like how «4 go, Wsat dld sou do. And rm Ike, I'm we. he 15 made no give h'm a mataleaes. CM she's *LI Ø, And then sec wen( 15 le Marshal's and she get a them and. sloY CautO.she gol paid too NA I, also 17 didn't do anythIng. I don't thnk become she was densnstah the who's erne while 15 she knew I wet up there. f0 le When she easel kou to 90 valh her... 20 ■ Uwe heke,. 21 le ...CIO you know—here's your water. E l Thorley« 22 24 le (mandible) Peg, 11 of 43 1 was actualY ise1419 taking thallcdy MO the lady we'll?* rm 2 coming: Em coring. and Mess like, can I bring acembody? And then. 3 was We, the ladywas Ike what doss sot look Ike end she started clescetbley me and there tumid wound and said to who are you taldag lo. And then 5 We/alike Mal Ord ~was tekIng to the bdy end We just deacniaIng me. 6 what I wad wearing Nal light and then fro lady was like okay. wet Penis gonna 7 wad to SA lo you ard 'WM Ike. hers Sne. And Min and got on he (Mom and the. sold, l wan Ike too. why ore you douriblrg me. who are you 4.069 to. Arttshe we. IkeMo you went b go erne me lemorrow, I'm panne go Wok up gone money kern my bwis hause. AM Man she's Ike. cause I get geld tomorrow sad then I sle! okay. AMIN Ike to beau te goon. knew whet she dd because. eat/ no and he got testy mod et me and said no, yore ret point, you're not going with bor. And Men I was Ike. and shot lite. you ImOM bul you lust have he awns with me ard I was like cause the old man's gonna glee us hot money ea we can go Woman} Cause than alte my bets and boa really rice. And I was lice okay. And bell. didn't say arryINttp Me fen Nee Muhl about II, he was lust like really (team:Wk.) out there and mad. Not oily Mad bel he ems lust We frustrated mala goals, wo0ld say that. • And you stidill knew whet was reify FIN on. e l I kncnv 4 was COMM, tut l had to glee him is massage andffl Ik whet did you think was ODIN lo hipponi T h o u , I k e she lust wed, I don't know but I knew something wet hyena nobody, Pepe 13 of 43 EFTA01714054 DRAFT lustgonna pay wu mangy but I didn't Welk that I, I thought that vol 2 bushes, whaler...do. Just gonna go over there. And she Cod my tiled 3 tease rich guy end she was fl ying oh my God he's so ash. blab, b'nh. bitty 4 And he has Ike a new arercedta end el tie stint end she's Ike axolotl-Inv Ion. 8 And then, whel's e Wed...so ENO/we Ails we tell but we Odra end up 6 9019 to the bowling Me?. Her teytiend weal to rye house reely last lo go gel 7 scatethhg Iron his house and hem he (Nati:Otte) Wougikthls ear back to M.Mus. and wo were )43I alto there walcMg Ilse movie but she Was It. we yrs: suet mflo going to go vAlh me and l was Ike Okey, go - 10 web, YOU. rm Ike las! lima I'm Ike. what are we gonna doe vie were going 11 logo shopplep and we were diseusting what et woe acing to buy will or 12 roam, cause she Wd me how much money I was gonna gel. 3300. And I was' 13 COO/ I IrnOw what Da corn* buy. We're lust We saying what we were gonna buy 14 MA the money. She sakt I nee] lo go buy • purse end then thereat day. 15 achagy I gene Way phone number that night so she could call, so she moil lb OA me up. And when l went in the house tat morning , she celled ma, she 17 I. are you stn gonna mob with me and I m Ike yeah. So she like okay. 10 get ready. rn gonna be there In Ike 31 Wriutos end Von she curie to be 19 house n Ike 30 minutes. And she lad a trend wen Inc 20 Do sou remember de name clew Wand? 21 I don't know her nacre btt the was gee nasty dark. tind of the 22 done (haudiole)... 23 In Denier than me? Page 14 of 43 2 3 7 Um NA Okay. And ane bed Ike abort lob end flit had like a styled loft, Ike a cute !Me style. I don't remember her name. I talked to her but I d'dnl remember her hems cause (lneudble) ctghl after t got h the car. And then at the way them, we were Just _ latenin to multi end 'Indio; and 51.41 and Ike Nat toughing end sluff. And she told mo Ba Orl about her boyfriend and stuff (In/fedi/kik , So youle &Niro. So. *Its you up. Do you remember what day t was? 9 ▪ No but I /row it wits • Sunday because I bV rry dart Dad caniser's.. go on 10 Sundey wklin logo though; and my dad goes where are yOUgual going 11 shoving because Ite clIdn1 know. and he said no at first end I was Oka 12 Dad, than. seu know. causal and Ban ray dad says okay but I have 13 to meet her. So ewe °Mod me afterward end then she, Use I'm gonna 14 need 310 forges toddle way RA can your clad doe $101 And Van l was 15 Igo auto OA IMOask my ad. I just (Inatialbte)310. And thanmydad was. 18 okay WO myriad doled me Wit like (inaudble).7m not gonna be *bleb give 17 you money. So then l was really mad but Men I didn't WIN but my dad 18 ended up (InsuMble) (Inaudible) when was puling tip, my dad ended up 19 pkOng UP SON and my did saw each ether. And. way like, cm my 20 God, yewdad/5 so hot. Andean) said yeah, 62M. Started lessNng about IL 21 And Wen myriad gal. $11) tor the gas. 22 • So you gotta the car. Mal kind of car Old ene gave? 23 ▪ A truck. Page IS or 43 1 2 3 4 5 a In What cclot? In I don' remember but I think a wee a Math color. I thin so. In So she drove. Yeah. she drove. She dove? Yeah end I woe In the passenger seat end here was Ikea whet* bunch of junk • beet behlnd not and I was sitting next to IL Ike 0nliuMble M sluff for %heel, And Ms he but I don't P out 'took a pretty lona lbws to get Went. 2 3 4 S remember...Ines hoer I remember. Do you remember teak° the beach and the ocean? No bit we went over lhat bridge won the ocean wet sind.then the bridge went Okay. So you defdlely went over the bddgo. • • Yeah. Went over a bridge. And It was uP end we had wai II '0 go down So • we were there for Ike, 5 minutes. That was time rower, wthIM • had you know where. &a the nth people are. kvraiis that street? Where the 9 ■ Yet 10 11 • /Crags Center is bat further lean that Like towards the teeth mere. That way. Yeah, towards the beach. 16 11 • Okay. And then the house, you mild, you described is es OW It was eke e, X was a two story house and then It was loo a Pht2Sh ceir. Phlkjan 12 Yeah. That rosy. And Mars where. yeah thee Ike whew he Ines but when eft* 12 pink' cdor. 13 14 pipped freej wens lore In We a pink llama. I rorrombec tat pr.k house end then he had an !settees ki Ns Onteway and trod a remade! -n his Garage I 13 14 • • Were there Wes sornethkrg n trent? Wee, t wasn't a gals but, to beck door had a gale loll and 1 was a woo gate 15 remember that MCA. 16 and Just kko she knew that you had to cuing and II wam'I lacked dr we 18 • Okay. Do you remembm... so WV look the Kravis way or MO you.... 16 Just opened a and therewere three. two or three steps end you lust walk up and IT I dont renlembei admit we... 17 than he had 0 pool and X bad, like the 110de, an dim Wad we a hare something. s 18 • You don't remember whet', way... 18 Ii wasn't concrete, a was naves 01 Me concrete tul they were Ilk.... 19 20 • • INC remember the budding. II was near the ocean? 19 20 ■ Like Ile,YAIrreara was Ike a coral conuete, sou know like.. And then the pod was there and the ■ Yeah. I tnow....cause one day when I was WM my Mend Oats 21 housewasthere. I guess a was lho a secialy hone toCarSe s man Vial wee 22 exactly where we went like moats' Pal area, not he CityPlacre area but you 22 with the securer came Out end he was BO V.I14( are you guys here for, cause 23 know, II kind or looks Ike that area. Like whore the Kraus Canter was and I 23 you're kneeling on he door and pan. ,td we're here to see Jeff and Page 16 of 45 Page 17 of 43 EFTA01714055 DRAFT 1 2 3 6 5 6 9 10 11 12 El Un hm. 13 la 15 16 17 10 19 20 21. 22 23 11Mst did hal man say? He was Ike oh. okay and the's Ake, the smogs and then he lot hot In (Maagbic) bat he opened the door end then we went in end then 0ntudgile) and the (cumin. here's the door when yw wak in and there's • (InaudlbW) ref ngera1or and then the window, a glass sliding Mndow looks ou at ha pool Okay. And then Ike the cabinet. I mean riot Ihe cabinet. the Island. was We here and then Okra We a cabinet over Mere and the door was 119h! here. E: Okay. »al for he tape purposes, the way (hal you doaciedd It, okay? Is you maim and on the let hand side? ■ ■ ■ ■ a Gust you motioned right now veta'sthere? (natalie) And Mon when you waked N. on he tog hand Okay/net rld you me? Like et I we% eel" cut °Me doorway? Urn km. Okay. Well, there's a door. If you lacked straight, I would be Weight Iron you CM a Itee Wrack the althl. It wasn't edam door. Ii Was just a doorway PneudbM Oka/. No, wail, maybe it I don't knew. cause ? was open. but More mutt have been Page tea 43 5 By yowler 2 E Yes, bul I thought Melia caul* she sad she was gonna get pale. so I 3 thought and the Off was game gel paid Si ake, you know, like private. prWayend<cuioll wee eat tint and her and nes over pi h the kitchen. And 6 so I wem upstairs and as I wet wallirq upstairs. Wore was e Pane of hIrn h Ilke 6 a different county ard then Cm Ike mars mall/cool and Ike lady said Isn't It and 7 she we s jest wakfig upstairs and Mere was lib s door end men. It wee eke to a a IAN (Inaudible) thb big and it had a cotton ender:ouch end ii was Ike another 9 werkway towards Mal way. And than walked towards. Vote keep walking forward 10 'end then to my ADM and there was • bedroom and ten we turned rIgN again 11 end there was • big bethroom.• was numeracy,. Ana Me bathroom. 6 12 wasn't Ike a bathroom, bathroom t was Me a stalmg area with a shower there. 13 Humorous shower. Lire a plIon people oxrld bo In Mat Mower. And than it la was humingous Ard Merewas late e door here and you opened it and there 15 was Ikea Me desk with peer and pads and start And I do:0'1100N (lhavelleta) 10 like sling on the couch:led here, Ike against my... there's big long coach. And 17 II wat pink and green. Hot NM and omen. And there..-.. 18 The rxm or Ow cola? 19 E The sofa. 20 E Okay. 21 E And there's a labia with a prone on g. And WM <MIN when l Woe *Mg kim a 22 massage, he made e phone vel bull &Ill remember wheedle he jail sad. Ike 23 he sad iaat' words and aan MAO up. Yeah. I don't remember. And he made a P10120 of 43 2 3 e doer, but t was open CO I didn't really pay Manikin But I actin, k was a doorway Wing up. Okay. Sonoor you're In that Wotan area. Raba Urn rm. The three of you? Yes. 7 Where Old you perk the can In Ne Mlle driveway are/. '9 So you're In the IdltMn area. What happens next? 10 E via vats waling tho;e. We were talking. just abouthowcool the Muse was. rm I1 eke oh my gosh, rye never teentn a house like MN. And then the lady and the 12 man came Si Jeff. I'm pretty aure..10o 90% posJike. And he vaned b, he was 13 Ike Ina hshIrt and pints, tol panto eed you know, Ike maybe Ike KIM of dressy. 14. And he was Flee M.M. M's Gke NMIsnd than ho sad N to me and then he 15 sad hi to the pH. He knew the Wt and he knew. But then ho sad. don't 16 remember yourname but he bid was like, oh she's like. I know that he didn't 17 renamber hef but he know Mr.. Do you know what I mean? 16 a lm, 19 He didn't nrcernber her name bul he Maw who oho rtes. And then MO Ike oh 20 and Oa Ike who are you end I'm Met. mm. and then hee UM taw. • 21 well. Lon follow my, I don't remember the lady's name but stro , he said Wow 22 her Me name) upstairs. So she's like, come Orin/At:ten we'waffted 23 untatre and I thougN..... 2 5 0 8 0 10 11 12 Page 19 el 43 phone cal and thee. lw pit the Libre back whoa II was (Inaudible). AM then. Bu the lady...so you're upstairs and you're skiing down end the Nays mere. What Is she dring? ▪ CM, she's. wog theta's a closet right here. wth a NW* In IL Like he message ▪ Near the »fes? ▪ Yes. Uses door on MO site and um. towards UN dyer, Mere's a door for the table. She took That out end thorn's kle e safe and than Me 00 ON l In the middle It's this way, Me berg ways. AM Men she pist Me pul the cloth over On she's looldrg around oer wank l gums Just lo look, eke she was nunembHIng something. I gyms, like where the SOW was. And there are Pkturs of Ma. naked (Ms or. he wall and here was like. :here wee lib one big ii mural of naked Or Me. Otero. And then. towards the Om, there was IIM • 14 cabinet here, Ine a NM In thing, Ike a (Mayotte) and um, Mere's drawers alt 1 f, and she opened he NM drawer aid there was e /Mote bunch of blIons. Ake 16 millions and Mims« kind. of bdone. And she !Acted out tIveo klim of ketone 17 eed eel them on tke en *melee bend of thing Mlk • mirror. And she sal k here. 16 And Pon offer. she told me. III hero for 5 tubules. Lne, lust ill here. And • 19 .eventualy he came In and he was like, hl I'm Jeff and I'm Ike N. fn, And 20 he's Ike, N be right back. you min Ika off your Oothes. And then he ek. And • 21 there's e bedroom out there and he pal went CIA there and I don't know but 22 there's; has, pictures obi there, I Mkt, l don't remember, he bok cif Ns clothes 22 end put a towel over Nmieff. But I don't knew a there was e towel thing back Page 2101 43 EFTA01714056 ORM I 3 4 6 0 a 10 11 12 13 14 Yes I cid AMllvnsdlsptsllrg. 16 5 I don't rman to.,, I know maybe Es (Vaginas but can you describe hka DI/ he 16 have any mats, 111to0s, was Ise hely? 17 Yes• he was re* vary hairy on his call end on his back end tcotards.,.okay I 111 dal man to *and gross but.- 19 5 No, say it la way you would Irkou were spooking to cne c( your bell lards. 20 Okay. 21 5 (inaudible) 22 =.0lay. He was laying on Ida bay skle 13 his thetas Ike, up. And there was 23 like, he had a very hairy back all the way to here and lhen Owe was just Ike a Page 22 or 43 2 3 4 0 8 a t0 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 10 20 21 22 23 . • ■ • Than cause Ws Ike, I donl mambos.. DU he undress In front of you? No, he cadn't. Bul he took al Ns towel in ant of me. Okay. So he tame tusk In.... Yeasb, he came back into the mom and he was.... Wen you caused? I was In a bra and he saki no. l meaty get naked. And then I was. l went Oka the. la he was you can keePYOLY bra end underwear on and but gel down to your bra end undenwor so Hook a my penis. Came he was real stern awl IL Ike Take Oil Your Parts And then lad took 0 my pants and Own he laid down on the table hi the, after he was Is on the table, he took o0 the towel lull enough, you haw. Ike you could see.... Dl you see ran natal Na. Coraelely oY Okay. Where dId no put Iho than On the G00% Moll Ike. the table underneath. Okay. So he laid deem. look the toweloft What ',spooned nein And then hes like. gel the Wan. So f seabed la loan Which. I had to wok etnog naked. but I wee in Ikea Vag ao yeah, my bull wee ohowirg end he, the tea is Ike, legion the OM was. you know, the boons werethal are and I was over hare are he was tics go grethe foams just so I could ware past Nos wsth my bun chowbg to go get the loans So I got the bans end he's Ike, ha Ike Ws l01bn and then I lock that ban and at my seal II on your hands and than message gockelse on my bads cause I dd l Mow arnica If? and then he's like mono me where he would Ike the massage. here end here. Vie noel to Oa Wt, down wove, up more. So I was Just masmaing and he turned and UMW halIng a connorsatkm oh what happened lo. and 4rn (laudable) my inaudtla what M0 ho was End cd cuesanirg me and then he tad what, he's Ike, could you stop? Irwadto go. And 'Jai stopped and Pm ra okay. And he got o0 the table. Ho pct the towel over tilm. He 0.61 down and 901 Me towel and then he left the room and you card hoar him, ides thou know. thou coal obsteay ten whet he was doing,psi the ... I Milt ..... I sank look al you that Co what he was tang, what you heard. I know ire ling of embarrassing pal._. He was making *paw Crew. Ike.... I dent. They wore wary Page 24 of 43 1 2 3 • 5 6 a 1 0 11 12 13 14 13 • 17 10 20. a 21 22 23 1 2 3 4 s 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 hairythetas gotrg down to Na but. Okay. So gross. Okay, end Mon..(inagable) DO you seethe frail of larn7 Yea. Paso when he got °Nth* table, he Ike turned as way so everything thawed lowardS me and then he got off and then he wen{ end Mend then he came back I Out hi was very holy on his cast arta and' tat looked for Ike one second salt was say, very dlsastirg. Okay mars all I have to soya:KMMat Do you bow what emeans....and I have to ask lab baCthafa there are some people that donla No. I deal don't Nally know.- tee: I lank he wad en stomas because he was a FITS',/,' end Yes. Aid when Won° mean what? Hs a Yes, .71t 00er: key. alb edo m olt s. Alright. this, wanted to make sure wskrew. 0 Okay. He told down, he took a Nstowel end he laid down. HI laid dOsn On the ad he lake his towel ;zonate?), odorjust open it so... Pope 23 of 43 sean0e noises. That's all I can say. Okay. I don't 1a10w how to describe them they were very eleanpe. Can you heath them? • I Cont. I don't ward lo make a fool out of myself. You wont You're not mak119 a look You Mew, It might say fa may say I was singing. • Okay. He was Ike... I won't look et you, go Hewn like 0030hillih.00ohNs. Okay. okay. he's making grOankog noises Yee. prOan2ap MIMS. tare IL Okay. That was real? ernbenesleg. It really at He wee making those ktscis of rolses end then ha welted beck Into the 14 • MOM. took of his towel age's ref tali bads on thligng end then he wanted the 16 same NM a massaco but he was eke oh use yourPavan). ran td more. 10 ▪ You Wore ntetsessIng hk beck?. 17 ▪ Yeah. AM then ho. he's no. mad you. him over for a ascend.. (inaudb$41. 16 (nausibae)co beck oat of the room He tuntod awe and he Said Ok0y, pieta 19 massage my babi. And then I was messagIng his boobs and he's Wor..he's 20 Ike. oh, 'Re es I was doing 4. as I was mosseging, he was raking the some 21 nano again Ike. oh my God;It's so etnbairesshg to do MA He was Ike.... 22 Mal leek. 23 ▪ He was going Ike meals making those no And Ike 5 minutes after that, • Pogo 26 of 43 Ho, sad EFTA01714057 DR and ikon hc lurnod bed around tr4 he Wet started-and I think 2 the massage was Ikea hall or hour bul cause I don't know. Me erns 'Chink was 3 anal an hour 10 15 minutes and Men I was done. And then he, I Mink ho 4 Ilko a sale somewhere bagasse aroind us he CkInt have Ns wallet or something because right when we got out the Coon, he left logo put the bawd on again and he purl the tower on nein and went out of Inc morn and to goes you can put • your clothes back on. So I put my datum beck cn and ha walked right out there, 8 Ike two seconds end hen came bad ike within two seconds. And he's Ike O Weis your menet And than he gave me 1300 In hundred deter bills end they 10 were Ike Wand newbecirme they only had Ike cue crease In them and trial 11 Veron RUM folded In had. And he saki thank you for your time. And Mtn he 12 kW MI he sag you con see your way out and I was Just walking end I gelled 13 cause there', so manydifferent rooms and I gel lost and I waked beck 14 downstairs andElwas eke Just slang and Mang Ike,Iguese fl was vitel 15 IM tidy was sarkg and than she rooked at ire and the looked back of the lady 16 and then she's Ike, the lady's like oh, Om. cause R was time to go cause I 17 guess because I was done. And Cron, IMP we rot the same way we came hn 18 and then= lko of my puke:met how ald you Ike k. Like how much 19 did he eke wu. how much dd he payy94. And Inn Ike.3300. And I was kind of 20 like 3320. IM Cause the 9s was Ike Mils. She was kokhg al me redly weird. 21 The caner errl that was An Mr. She's Ike really at though. And linen she wit 22 looked at me roily weird and she's Ca Ong 10 gine WA myeyeballs. Ar4 23 then vie went In the our end when we got In the car 1ske, kt me see what Page 26 01 43 1 2 3 4 5 6 B 10 11 I? 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 • 22 23 ■ ■ • ■ \ ■ ■ ■ ■ Urn, I dent Inhlt so because thats when I got grounded. And then mars when I pot In trouble with the fight So age( that. Ire welly sure I didn't. Most key. Oro yet, over spat So her again? No, because I go: my cell pone taken away. Oksy. So you haven't sire Malmo the day you wont to Jaffa house. Correct. Aro you cam? Yeah. Ism 100 percent sum. Haw do you know she newton me what happened with red dad. Okoy. Because my dad. I didn't know about unlit IlMold me when she cans here. 5d M. on a Thursday, was combo Mn.. And wok. Wednesday night my dad said that he heard to dog barking and my dcg Is Inside. So he's barking end he's outside. Ike basting towards outside and then my dad le like shut up cause he forgets the doge name end the dog modal% be We. So her line, IM taking the dog Wads And than my dad rock the dog outside end the deo hes way In lovrards my Oafs Puck, lice my dad thought he wet attacking the animas Mt mg dad, a pigeon. a boy.' don't know kw a fact bail lawn In my heart M. BecauseEgo (nay mad over the whole silual1m1. OW Ku teaOwl-at happened? Yeah. And that's when, he poured a wet and he like my lace was right there and he punched ine well Ike my face wee right there and he punched the wall Nil nest to my faro. And he darted setting all uoset and dying cud ce Deg Page 28 of 43 F o gave you. Md then I showed her my $300 and she's like. were going lo 2 Marsha MI thew give me back my money end l put It In My back pedal 3 And then the was Ingo to get me to describe what happened so l told her what 4 happened. And she's Ike. you could do this every Saturday. We is lee so rich. VS AndI was M1 Wnd e(Dw, yeah, we could. And Mem she put back on the musk.. 0 M3 then.mhen we were moving, the lady was waking OUSCle and I (IrakroPale) 7 ens Of the ars mat/fast but she was Mat oho to the patsenger seal and the 8 opened tho deer and Men dosed II. 9 What did fAciAd say? Did she say ensiling stout It? 10 IN She Was Wit Ike Interested in what Siphoned. Ike when we were lagdeg. we're 11 Ike Into the cementation and then ohs was kind of Ike egging and laughing. 12 eke, I think, I wouldn't say, I mean. I dont know l (inaudible) or rot bat the 13 wasn't ulna stodstrd. you knave. Ilko giggIng. She was )al of lace °laving and 14 laughing along with. Ard then. pet um. and than dun I wet pining IS the mote massage, he goes, I know. she's been workIng.Wm me for a 16 lorg hive ard then wheal come back MromstaIrs.. poet you ' Onir Ped frte 77 $200. So.... 1$ ■ He brood you bat's. 19 • I dont Inow. 20 Well, after you lett whore did yeto pp? 21 Moonlit Or 10 TJ Matt one of Nose Mo. TJ Mem or Martha.. Arid she 22 bought, black mem 23 In Ctroy.. Dld you PH Meet that again? Page 27 of 43 2 4 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 10 17 10 19 20 21 .22 23 how noted you do this? Blab, blab, bean. And then= Ike. okay. I wadi do it natl. And eke she ;usl Bind cl Me hung up and he wit Tice I hale her, I hike her and then I haw hau too. And I was Ike okay end and than I think Mauer:vie) on Oa computer and I Oink he too_ wtut happened end she turned 4 Into an edraordInary. Ike story so at schcol so I T %odd look eke, you know, eke I'm the bed person, Ike I'm a slut rm induced ;wiflike and she's golrg around school toying el this duff and then so my parents earns, cause Man when I got mad at her and told hello stop tetkng Cut the wouldn't stop LAS; abed A. So I Just got In a light with her, like a list righl at school. And I got suspended end so did she but she Ore/ get suspended for One day bread. I Stated Me light So I got in troubus Were. And my deg got realty mad and he grounded me for II. because he found the 8300 n my wallet end then my did we, like. you're grounded, mute grounded forever and hero all Peaking out, how could you do this, blab, blab. The ;dud said toy dd. And • 6 uni, I MGM teethe school howl bid Mem I got II from my lot cause I worked at ill gut Sol sald I (intruded.) tut nobOdy rna so I was yusi lee behove what you went Coosa I Masi want ea tall the prhcroal or my parenu. In Wel, I think Out the bast Ling that you're doing Is that you're being ?Wet Oicayi In Um hrn. II You needy Mow ma' they have a pretty good Idea what happened. Okay? In I don't oven know here was Ike an Invenaatlers Page 29 of 43 Atilt& EFTA01714058 ORA 1 Wee, On1's._. 2 that knew. 3 0: Wet. Nish, why. What's Montilla is IAN l was mode aware of thts Malkin 4 II From my ninon 5 • Pm not gomo say. okay? 1 was mantas* ol this sllusecn. And theyWok st It 6 like nu were taken advantage of. Not Pal you did 'reefing wrong. okay? Eton 7 thoug, you wont them wlehgly. Even though you were extra Mangy, you ware sill taken admen, ol. Okay? Because yoa wore out hto a posilion that you MI you had no chain. Once you were there, boronwhen you were telling mo 10 otxul how Jeff told you to late off your dotes? You took your Maier and you 11 said In Was really stem end toe banged your leg. you PA the pointer on your im0 12 when you se.d that How old you feel when he told you to Me your clalhof off? 13 ▪ I don't 'wow. I didn't know whet else to do because) was the only parson up there and bee lie 46 years Old and he has Ike big muscles, because. I don't 15 know. but fm orallysure 45 years old end big muse's. bodybuilder. 16 • Oksy. 17 IN SO fee iniandand toCaulo he's gay, ant of at, and tin a gin and I know 18 PPM was al the way downstairs with the lady and what wosIM going to 10 63 lo NV me all On way UPWaYs so NM Mk 20 Ckay. Now. hem's one way I'm a Rile contused at because you said Mal. and 8 21 22 23 2 3 4 10 11 12 11 if Is 16 17 10 19 20 21 22 23 In using your Wean Okay. thal he Nice. You sold before Thal he whacked el See. When did he do Vtal7 ▪ in botween givinghima message, like when I was gtyin hin a message. he was Page 30 of 43 T oft, he was like, excuse me for a minute and ho lust toff the room. ▪ C A D Y . s o Mars once. WhOn Wes tit "her tine ▪ take Curing the thing. Ike when l was-- ' El Alvan yow.olow, when youwaren. was his beck hl on the labia? Hawn& ha 440440M47 • Wet he was at Ifni snd then when he SUded hegotma,hiebaek 7 went old the table. Fordo like loanhg... 8 Okay, whim wore you‘itardIng? 9 I vias slanting up. I win net On Mt I was inning u0.0nautinifti aeon wit 10 was' awards. okay, he was on Me table. I'm doh' here ar4 he's loaning 11 • tot way. Ia' N. Ole? 13 .Ike (inaudible) muse I guess, I don? know. but.. end he was we. my lac0. It 14 got hard w coo what was PIM On because hwr low' was ar4 NNW NM of 15 • moved his heed the other way and ha was Ike, wants.. . 16 I n Okay. ben lust noonWinn you're seldrn that you rrcved your hand. Did you see 17 IS In Yes. I saw h'm it, 20 22 23 Okay. I saw Ns face, blot onaossions and noises. Okay. What Wu did you see? 2 3 You heap mokIng your hand so.-11 moor wools. Ike took Ns hand ern What was 4 he doing wile his hand? 6 El I don't know how to espial, It Hewas just.= 6 Slug. descrItio...dcal... 7 Okay. sorry, ha- • 8 So you saw Inn doing Pat he did that in front 04 you? • 10 Yes. 11 Do you know what II meant when • 12 II means they're homy? • 13 ■ No. what II moans Is thai onco they. wino Itwayr rrn using 14 your words. okay. AMIN, word lot that is 15 Yes ■ 16 Do you know whale means Mt A boy Con Ii? It I don't know why they do it or I know why They do I but I don't know what II 16 19 oft. 20 To them. 21 In Other words, '22 01414 23 Papa 32 ol 43 In Ow. Thar; what I rood to know. Cause you sold ▪ Um hrn. • Soh' ▪ Um hot ▪ Ard you saw Ns MIX you saw Ns ayes. what was going on? Page 31 of 43 in fart of you? ▪ Okay?' I mho/ ening very... Yrn ganna lee you bocauso I think... ▪ I Wow Mal oat • Okay. So awe he R was.. the table again Io009e1 the $300. ▪ o w y ▪ lie toe the lone' end Ike... And thera dtay.11150 hen* the lama. hif then this way Instehl of Plaway. IN; way. like that. ▪ Okay. S n o t y o u . . hake. So ■ IMMIIIIII•ll• Old he have No Like Very ma. Mats fine. Old you nottco...ysu ;an ho vac vmy'hoiry on NI Plea 124 no have any tattoos? vh. not that I law. Old he have Bryson? No, biA he had freckles somewhere because he was haw. You're Oritalg 011.h0 Nell area. Yeah, soma freckles. Vole mole or a freO1cle? A freckle Okay. Can you tel mewing he !Oaks Ike? Page 33 01 43 EFTA01714059 DRAFT 1 2 4 el Hs had Nos not while hat but It was. rot vthlle bore. you knmM A was Idnd Oro. Name. 11 was M• _.1 daft blow. • awe gang gay. Vet Ne we* gang gray. And he hat. 1 2 3 4 M Ns Hp aute? MI Yee. D1J he try lo,dldhoty et anytime to rib your hand, Wei try le puf scrrwase? 6 II What nor her did le hew before? Bond., brown? Na. 6 6 0: No. Nth no. no. I know anew/re gsahp et No. 1 old ra 0: Okay. You sad Chal you etracktAd . 7 Ma: You were deacHenty Jeff to me, nil the freckle sod he was vary grey end whet 7 Um fin: else? 8 M. Whit do youman by mil/ 0 Vrn.lhe ,e. He ha akin con I. la4 nea I sew Nen. when you hr.,' a sunburn, o •Val m r h o was on hts Manch as was gluing him a eramego, Ice I wet you 10 bul As the Wee you Nn A • Hunt of days end Ifs tuning tactile& It woo 10 • How awn onan. 2te butt And then Dok, I wee ell2n9 on Is bolt 11 Ihe a width lannteh cob,. And he had eke • long floe sal glee OVA el I 11 tun s Itle OA above Ne HAL Md 1„1wr,lws. inld how's. 12 can remurber and he had a whkel sit when he gel Dune 12 and_.. 13 ON/. 13 M . Okay. 14 I don't maty remember... 14 IM and Unroll /He of de 15 OM he hors any Inc of Ikejewelry on 14. body that Hu nand/ 15 back. 10 I didn't I don'! iemerninr. 10 e. Now when you say. you no bug naked... 17 Otay. Do you remember ettel nee eyes ha hen 17 linen with underwear end s 10 Nen is Okay. HSI. OW he wit you lo gel on log of hthe7 19 • DM be hays any lent ha. 86e • munotte7 Oraposse or anything? 10 Urn HA 20 21 ■ Nmrt-.No bit N. eyebrowa were may titk end they were bushy. Ike everywhere. 20 : Or dg you do thet on you' own? 22 II any, DM he over ask you lo do anyVen2 other then nommarm lan7 2% 22 Na, he's Ilkerbeceun al Ml, I was °tang Mm, range N. you know, • swamp up. And M, :hen his Na II %aid be lea more comlortable b you poi 23 23 on my back. Could you oleos do Int —snd Inn I dld Owl. file, I did, urn, Ike, Peg. 34 of 43 I I wawa, at Hsi I dblnl ward lo a on lils hefty you know, bull So II was 11nd of 2 flee. you Ina, Ike. paling my legs on the lebl. so Bu I could Ind of a la end he was le COI*/ you new fiat put II _fee a on me. PM lal Me bkidY night 4 on rut AM then) win. I no )n Idn3 of Is. kind of think I Old Whining 0 nary sling on lint ddn't maw net 6 we end thin Pee. I got Homed oul 0 end es ho ;loin; *Am, blol of Ike popped up 7274^. Cause I was gnu. 7 Day. IN ern: Iced lo touch you? 3 j Beane ter. you know, vell, whet do you mean by Iowan" De 30stniey 9 tounng me7 i 10 No, ad he lry Minch you or— He put Hs herd on myna. nen he was Me, he was kat Ike, - I n YOu keep, alte ratting Ike smaddnp. 11 12 13 14 15 10 17 16 19 20 21 22 II: What done_ MI Lint when you're Iowan on something, :Amin; your face on Ifl Kona potnp HA that lkt..pullthp, not you Mow, ▪ Cen you now ne whet you mean/ In Okay. He was... ▪ Las say 1m on my beck Where wood you be, I'm Jeff, when!, MUM yoy stardom? NI fm 4ad Net I vas be, I was Ike Mfg en here. 23 I: Piet Page 76 of 43 2 2 6 6 a 9 10 11 IT 13 14 16 It 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Pegg 36o1 43 . Okey end when he baked up. I When wiry, Drs went ir Yea. Okay, I'm pang to my len. M . All the esy ground 2 your bact's on the table. • a • • S • a ■ ▪ 22s 62ht herd. MI yes' ▪ (Hey, li justolyes me • baker plan of then to understand. Oars why. Um tn. IN And 1 anente jettdothp that 1C0111 mien V3 nuke you lee: araireforlibe. , Do you feel uncomforloble? Okey. Ern ream you. Md then you're, your for b s Oils hi Owl way... My 69lit Obey. Md (amable) tonsta, lie on Mt kneel, 1614 ot._ Okay. 7m hound owr • Olds bl. Md fen ?roc but And Da al slang you • name end IlyeryOUN but Ns hend le mound ow erd (Iman) Obey. My left heed toad nary n my left hand Mind your shoalers? No. under my turn writs ti nog Eke that.. Obey. So I'm hank) you the around by the wait. Um Mm. And dial herd wee on tub.... fits. ■ Pepe 37a12 EFTA01714060 • Olay. Ater wiry/sing was done, okay, Old he woch you get dressed? 2 No. Cause I was gehlog dressed vita he was out there gab) me $303. I Mose that's who he wasdoing..Theo the only thing he came back n wit. He was sib In a rowel and stud. 5 it In WI mom. ai all, do you INS...ernl I don't know y there b or not. but do you thinin there b anything h them that/nayhave oar:Wed what you orn 9 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 . • . A video cameos._ 01 my gosh. I dIddlthInk 'bout INA There was lots el ;Noes there could have bean ono because there's sclunas. that could have been. I doll know._ IN When he waned out.. the reason why I ask Is because he walked out once end then Cure beck IN rIght? ▪ Yea ▪ So A couldbolus so he could I wasps* curlews. I donl know If than Is and.. 5 If there vies. I Old not know atott A. ▪ dee So you gel dressed. you go downstairs. Mans is that women again? ▪ DownstaIrs total's) to. and the other AM ▪ okay. IN They wore having a cOnverStillers. 5 Ow. Al artybne, SO he speak Nyco or does he knew hew old you NC did he know bow old you ware? ▪ Okay. Yes. And. as a manor of fact.. told ma lo say t ors IS. &NAUSS Page 38 of 43 1 then Ike. I kind of, you HM of got the picture. %uptake for you and halo, I'm 2 SUN there ghlrq Nrn a back massage. So I kind of figured A out. Ho never said that he lust... ▪ Yet. 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 15 17 16 10 20 ..said that she worked br Nm. ▪ Yen but don't...onour way back Name. that, Ike. dosen't make any sensed oho cadn't do that because why would. be dame (inaabla) for almost the same amount of money as me. Right. Well, why couldn't he pay her MU ay? I &WI favor. because there a goad question Cause she dein\ as far as I know bull don't know but fm way sure she didn't tel me, she didn't think. She was lod ',Homelike twqrq a coneM►an. And I thkel alOI when 1 Win( VP sou Sit IRIS he paid her twain's, kko, you know. to because, he mild her while IIN044 cpstaks and when I went downstaks. she was H.1446.40 to the lady me and she 9003. when we north the kAchen nine, the old man to come to the house Salk She said, Oh Ihilcnel le so het he walla, hero end she was Do and she's Ike he's so hot you know. sayng Ns NCO and then the other pre {NW ble) tocautta when we swiss the( coma In. MI was GM too. He was Sat- ■ SOW Des Nair guys. ▪ MuSt Ike IL 21 Okay. So you!** and that was the last lime yeti see Mrn. 22 IN Yes and Nat's the I0S: hen I went.,. 23 In Has Jeff over Wed lo call you? Page 40 of 13 3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 16 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 1 2 3 4 5 e 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 • ■ . . . . ■ . . . . ■ said let him you're 10 because it pule not he wen? let you In Ns house. So I WINS yns) IS. As I wen gbh?, him a massage, he was Ike haw old e;o you. And then I was 18. But I khd el said k mak, last because I chrthl want to make it sound WO I was lying or arrsOrng. So What other things cad he ask you? Urn, how I know. wtet school l went to. Old wou WS Wm %hal school you went 107 • Yeah tad I tdd hIrn= I Oldn't tel him Cld ho pea punnet pride you were In or old you rep him wrest grate you wen In? Yeah. he was De what pride are youth? Ovausel told Nm I was In 12" grade still. Okay. Oocauae I lo3:1 him I woe 18 milted b... So you told Nm you were In 12^ grade? Yes. Am you sure? yes. Okay. What else did rya a about? tiln. niers about K. And he was land Masking no Ito how I bless= Is 1. Nye to ma end then he told me ham he knew. and he W.• Ike. I was WM of the, how do you know. Cause 1 brought t9 the conversation. lie sold svoll I knot. because she's been wohbq for me Ix a Ung kno. And Page 39 of 43 . ▪ Hope. And... ▪ Old you ban a phone number? • Yeah. Actuaty IMO. Cause who:mixes leaving . he goes um, please Have your phone number to can keep In (cud, with you because she doesn't have your phone number. So I didn't I Ant gave hat my cal phone number. I didn't glue htm my house mantel. I gave fun my cell phone nutty. • And how tong ago was INs? • Ch mY 303h. I couldn't let you the date bul....lt was about maybe. oh my gosh. a month ard • hall ago. I don't really Wow.. . In February? ▪ 0 scause wire In Much right now. • ...,„,...xybogImIngof Feeiviry • the end of January. I cottOn't tel ▪ How long Met Old you gel Into that fight nth= In urn, Ake a week our.— ▪ You got Into a rot vim= on the Y. . Okay. so yet It was about iweek allot—or bebro. ▪ Okey. And whoelse besides. Old you lea whet happened? In Thera . 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I thank you wry much. TNs win con:Tuna the Winnow. The Ilme 23 now by mywatchIt oproWlealely 3:05. Pape 43 of 43 EFTA01714062 FILE NUMBER: 31E-MM-108062 DATE OF TAPE: 07/19/2006 TIME OF TAPE: 09:21 P.M. TYPE OF TAPE: RECORDER CASE AGENT: SA TRANSCRIBED TAPE BY: DATE TYPED: 02/23/2007 PARTICIPANTS: ABBREVIATIONS: GJ 11111.. - GRAND JUROR (UI) - UNINTELLIGIBLE (IA) - INAUDIBLE (PH) - PHONETIC (SC) - SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATIONS EFTA01714063 Alright. Could you tell us who you are? I am E. How old are you 16. What's your birthday? How old were you in 2005? I was 14 still. 14 or 15? I was 14 still. Well this happened I was 14 still. You turned.... 15 in. of that year. .: And you. turned 16. Yeah. So you were just short of 15. Htrun,minm. Alright. Where do you live? I live in Where do you go to school? I'm gonna be starting school a OK. That's the new high school out in .... ■ In W EFTA01714064 OK. Where did you go to high school in 2005? • Where is that? • In On what road? • Yeah. Probably. What grade were you in, in 2005 when you were in -High School? • I was in 9th grade. Did you know someone named • Yes. • How did you know • I used to date her cousin. OK. How old is • At the time I think she was 18 or 19. I think. E: Who was her cousin that you dated? • Was going to school at-or did you know her from outside the school? • I knew her from outside the school. • How much contact did you have with= • I met her the night before I went to Jeffrey's house. • OK. Tell us the night about the night when you met EFTA01714065 I was with my boyfriend at my house and her or his aunt lives like four streets down from mine so we went to say Hi to his aunt and stuff and he left us there and .... Have you met her before that night? • • • • Ah, like a family football thing, like they had a family get together for a football game and she was there but I just said Hi to her, like I never knew like who she.... Not a lot of conversations or .... We were just like Hi, Nice to meet you. OK. That night you go down there. You meet her what happens? Yeah, and then, ah,.it was just kind of like a regular night and we are hanging out watching TV and then like it was like 11:30sh or 10 something like that and she was like, ah. what are you doing tomorrow and I said nothing and she was like, Oh, I'll, hmm, mmm you want to make like $200. And I was like, yeah, sure and she was like, Well you are you gonna have to like alr, meet my friend Jeffrey and he lives in a big humongbus mansion and like he lives like on the water and all that stuff. And then I was like, like that's really cool and then she's like but you have to give him a massage for like 40 minutes and that's all you have to do and you get like $200 for it and it's really easy, you know. I was like OK, or whatever it's just a massage and then, was like, ah, he was wande what happened and then we just told him an en he was like arguing with= and then him and= went to the bathroom for like a couple of minutes to argue. And had 'Irfier boyfriend there so me and him were stuck in like a living room watching TV, listening to .them arguing for. le of minutes and then they came back out: Then we went outside and had called Jeffrey on the phone and Jeffrey's assistant lady, I don't remember her name, she answered the phone and she said that she had somebody that could give Jeffrey a massage tomorrow and the lady asked how old I was. and who I waslike what my name was. But said that I hadlo be 18 so she told the lady I was 18 and that I went to , and I was a Senior and everything and 'till the assistant lady said like OK, that's fine, come in tomorrow. So, ah, then I went home.... Let me siop, you there, a couple of things. Do you know if and In were, what they were arguing about? Yeah, because. didn't want me to go, because I guess, he knew about like his cousin kind of that already and, ah 4 EFTA01714066 Did that concern you that- didn't want you to go and you were agreeing to go anyway? • U • • • • • • Well, yeah, 'cause, well he was, I was like, I guess 'cause I was 14 and he was like 16 and stuff and he was just like don't go, don't go, don't go and I was like, well it's $200 and I was 14 and I was like it's $200 so I didn't really care what he said. OK, and from listening to= end of that phone conversation, the person at Jeffrey's house was trying to verify that you were at least 18? mrnm OK. Is that a yes? Yes, sorry. OK And but like after she hung up the phone with the lady, she explained to me that what, we went back inside the house and she explained to me that I was gonna have to like, tell the lad , like make up a lie about my whole life, like if I went, I'm graduating from already that I am18 and all that stuff and that I uh, so I agree to all that stuff and then I went home for the night and then the have known for a long time like just to make it look like I was older and, next morning, and another lady like another teenager girl, I don't remember her name, she was in the truck with her and like we were leavin m house and but my dad saw and he, I told him we were going to the mall in and my dad's like "OK", he didn't have a problem and since it was or Zach's cousin and he said it was OK that I was going with but he, like we were leaving and my dad was coming the opposite way pulling into my driveway and he saw and asked for 5 dollars for gas so my dad said like "Yeah, sure 5 dollars" whatever and then we left and then when we got to Jeffrey's house.... Do you know Jeffrey's full name? Jeffrey.Epsteen or Epstein. Where was the house? It's in Palm Beach, whatever, but then when you pull up in the driveway but nobody was there like is like, "He's not home". So we walked up anyway, we all get out of the car an there is like a gate that you have to walk into to go to 5 EFTA01714067 the backdoor and there is like a Security Guard or whatever and he has like a little office in the back and he saw us se he carne up to the gate and he asked us what we were there for an said Jeffrey and so the guy is like "Ah, OK". He opened the gate, all three of us went in like through the back door towards the kitchen 'cause I guess the kitchen is right there when you open the door, so we were sitting like in a bar like this and we were waiting for about 15 minutes, then Jeffrey and the Assistant walked in through the back door also and then that's when I first met Jeffrey and he shook hands and then the lady also introduced herself too and then ah, the lady was talking to and the other girl for a ac of seconds and then Jeffrey said who's gonna go first, whatever, and uh, and uh, the other girls is like I don't care and then Jeffrey said how about you pointing to me and I was like OK and then I was like looking back at and laughing and then she was like, scooted her hand to go, she was laughing to and I was like OK. So then we; in the kitchen, it was like a little hallway, not really but ifs like a stairway to go upstairs and we were walking up there and the Assistant lady walks me up there and as Jeffrey was talking to them after and then she was pointing out like all these pictures and all the stuff leaving me upstairs like a bathroom, looks like really big though, and like there was two closets and then she went into the one closet and pulled out the massage table and uh, set it out in front of like this couch and then ah, she put like,ah, a little blanket or whatever over the massage table and then she opened up a drawer and there was like a whole bunch of different like lotions for giving massages and she just picked like a couple of them out and just sat in the vanity table, there was a big, big mirror on the other wall, opposite to the massage table and then, uh, and then she told me to get un well not undressed put keep your bra and your panties on and I was like OK and then she said • • • • I Had told you about that before? No, I thought like it was gonna be a massage like you keep your clothes on. Not when I got to in the room that's when the lady like explain what I would have to do. Just to get undressed and keep my bra and panties on and then... And did you that? Hmm, mmm. Is that a yes? Yes. OK. 6 EFTA01714068 And then to stay in the room for a couple of seconds and then Jeffrey would be coming in the room any minute. And then Jeffrey did come in the room, he said Hi and he shook my hand again but then he went out of the room and he got just a towel on and then he came into the room again and laid belly down on the massage table. OK. Stop a minute what did this man look like? This Jeffrey Epstein. Old. (rangbter) U ■ U • • IN • • • • • How old? Ah, he looked like 50sh maybe, 40sh. OK. Ah, how he was he dressed when you initially met him? Like he was going golfing, he just like ah, Polo t-shirt on and kbalci pants. OK and how were you met, when your first went to his house, DRESSED when you lust went to his house? Ah, I was wearing a regular t-shirt, my hollister shirt and just some jeans. OK. What kind of underwear did you have on? A thong. And the bra, what type of bra? It was a bra. No special certain type. But thong underwear. Were you uncomfortable getting down to your bra and underwear? Aba, like I was kind of hesitant, I was like sitting in the room for, until Jeffrey came in, like thinking like to myself, well, like what's going on? Like I don't know, I was kind of hesitant but then I just didn't care 'cause I wanted $200 'cause 7 EFTA01714069 I wanted to spend it and so I just .... • • U • U U U U U U OK, alright. So he comes out and he's in a towel. Start from there. And he like laid on the massage table, on his stomach and then he told me like I should grab any of the three lotions that she had put down on the table and so I just grabbed one of them and then I just gave, like I sat. First I wasn't sitting on the table because he was sitting on the table and I was kind like, I just stood up and then I started to give him a massage and then he's making conversation asking me exactly what he was gonna tell me to do, like, it was, high school, do you go to and all that stuff, so... Did he ask you how old you were? Aha. And what did you tell him? I told him I was 18. And, ah, he asked me like what do I like to do on my spare time and I said I dance and all the stuff and just asked me some small talk. And then he's like, oh, well you don't need to stand up, you can sit on the table and, so I sat on the table and I was giving him a massage and I think the massage was a couple of minutes like 15 or 20 minutes and this whole time we were just conversating about anything and he was telling how he had another house in New York and just all bunch stuff that I was like amused by and then, ah, after like 20 minutes of giving him a massage or 30 minutes or something. It was around that time, he asked me if I wanted to make an extra $100 and ah, all, that he had to use... Before we get there me just ask you a couple things. You said that the Assistant had you undressed. Hmm, mmm. Is that yes? Yeah. Do you remember telling Detective that it was Jeffrey Epstein that asked you to undress? No, I'm positive it wasn't Jeffrey, 'cause he didn't come in the room 'till after I was already in my underwear and my bra. 8 EFTA01714070 • • • • • • • • U a a a • • OK. That's in her report, that's incorrect. Yes. Ah, when you talked about getting on the table, do you recall telling Detective that you were actually straddling him and your... Yeah, that's when I got on the table after he, after a couple of minutes. And you were straddling him with your bare buttocks to his bare buttocks. Yeah. Well, kind of there's, a towel. Like it was kind of covering his butt but not really covering his butt. It was not really covering his butt but I was laying like on his lower back near his butt but I wasn't on his butt. So if she wrote: You stated you exposed your bare buttocks were touching his bare buttocks. That be kind of correct. OK Yeah, I guess you can say that. So how long did that go on when you are sitting on top of him? The, until, like the massage part was over and then he is, ah, like asked, well, would you like to make an extra $100 and I said sure. And then he's like but I, I ah, have to like you're not gonna be giving me a massage anymore. It's gonna be something different and I was like, oh, what is it? And then he's like Can I use a vibrator on you? And I said OK. And then, so then he got up and he went to like the, like other room for a couple of seconds, like literally couple seconds and then came back in the room. And next to the little vanity, big mirror and on the big table, there was on the floor, it was just like the vibrator or what it look like a vibrator to me. What did it look like? It was like purple. And it was kind like a massager but not really. Like it look like a massager but it wasn't really a massager. What was it shaped like? 9 EFTA01714071 • • • • • ■ U • • U Ah, like circular on the top and then it was like a handle on the bottom. OK, alright. And then, ah, after he grabbed that, he laid back on the table and, except this time. he was on his back and I was partially on the table like half of my butt cheek and my leg was on the table and the one leg was on the floor, like sometimes I put it on the couch. Like 'cause the couch was right here and the table was right there so it's kind of close and I, he told me to keep giving him a massage but to give a massage on his chest. So you're sitting on the table and he's standing up. No, no, he was laying back on the table, but like I was kind of on the table. Half of my butt and my leg was on the table and the other half was like on the couch. OK, but he's laying down now? Aha. OK. And, ah, then I was giving massage on his chest and he was still talking for a couple of minutes and then he used...land like that was for like for 10 minutes maybe or so, I think. Now, I hate, I have to be detailed here. Where was he using the vibrator? What can I say, I don't know what else to say. OK, alright. Go ahead. OK. And then, after for a couple of minutes, that's what he was doing, he off for like a couple of minutes, ah, like I was still on the table and ah, told me that if he, like if he does that you have to get more money because that's like. He gives you extra money if he anyway 'cause I guess it's some his rule or whatever.... Had told you that before? Hmm, mm. She told me that like the night that I, like had this whole conversation • with her and she told me about it. 10 EFTA01714072 • • • . . • . . . • ■ • OK. So she just didn't tell you were going for a massage. She told you that there you might have to take your clothes off? No. She didn't tell me that I have to take my clothes off but she said that if he jerks off in front of you, then you can get more money. OK. So when he offered the extra $100, you had a pretty good idea what was coming next? Yeah. OK And, alt.. And when yo said what do you mean? He put his OK. Could you see his penis at that point? Is that a yes? Yes. Alright, go ahead. That went on for how long? A couple of seconds maybe, like, yeah, like 40 seconds and then ah, and then after that, like the massage was over and he went into the, out the other door, back to where, I couldn't see where he was going 'cause the door was this way and he walked out and I guess he had like, ah, his money behind the door because it only took him a couple of seconds for him to come back in the room and then he opened this money, like this block and give me 300 dollar bills and he told me thank you and then he's like, ah, there's a notepad there next to the couch and he told me to write my name, my number 'cause I had a cell phone at the time and he told me to write my cell phone number down, and ah, how he can get a hold of me and all this stuff. So I wrote my number down, and wrote my name and then after that he just left the room and told me I can get you again and that it was done, I was over. Did you actually see him ejaculate? 11 EFTA01714073 • U • U • U • • • U • • • • • • • • No. Did he not ejaculate or you didn't see that ? If he did, I didn't see. Ah, do you recall telling Detective happened in a different sequence? No. And that ha first before he put the Mmm, maybe this was like two and a half years ago, so .... OK. That could've happened. Do you recall not telling her about the vibrator at all the first time you talked to her? Yeah. I remembered that because I was scared. OK. Why were you scared about that and not scared telling her that he ejaculated in front of you or in front of you? 'Cause that's his on my body. So you didn't want to admit that you allowed him to touch you? Yeah. . OK. And he gave you $300, you left your number so he can contact you again? Yes. OK. Ah, when you left the room what happened? You got dressed, did he take you downstairs or did you go downstairs by yourself? 1 just went downstairs by myself. Who was down there? Was still down there? 12 EFTA01714074 Aha. The, was there and the other girl was there and the Assistant lady she might have been there but I don't know, I can't remember but then after that, ah, we left. Like they don't do anything, they didn't, she got money but she didn't do anything. • S S • • • • S S S Who is she? did. Do you know how much money got? I think it was $300 too or maybe $200. Do you know what that was for? Not at the time, I, I thought, maybe she did something with somebody else in the house but then I was like thinking. There was only Jeffrey and the lady there, like I didn't think anything of it and I.... So did you learn that she got money for bringing you there? Yeah. I kind of figure that when I got back home like I was thinking about it for a while. And I realize, well, it's probably because she brought me. Did you discuss with what happened up in that room? Yes. Then, ah when we got in her truck, ah, at first we were all like, ah, let's go, let's go and spend our money and then she's like, ah, What happened? What did you do? How much money did you get? And I was like, I, I got $300 and I was like, I was excited $300. And she was like, You got 300 what did you have to do with him? And then She told me or I told him or her what I did and then she's like Oh, Yeah, Ah, I've done that too, bla, bla. Like you could, then she told me like, what, what like if you do this, it's, you usually get that, if you this and then you get that. And she was telling me like all the stuff and then, ah, I was like, ah, like laughing about it 'cause I was like, yeah, thanks for telling me that and I had to take care of my problem and she was like Oh, Sony and then the other girl started laughing too and we all laughed together and then, then we went to TJ Max and she got a purse. I didn't spend any of my money, I kept in my, I wanted to spend it but I didn't want to spend it all Max. I wanted to go to the mall or something, so I kept in my house, like my purse and stuff, and.... Let me sun there. When you are in the car back with going back, did you and discuss doing this again so you can earn more money? 13 EFTA01714075 • • • U • • • U • U Yeah. I think. We didn't plan it like any certain date, she was just like, we didn't like plan this again, we didn't plan plan it, I was just like, ah, she was like oh, well, if you ever need money again, you can always call me and you can come with me and I said OK. You don't recall telling Detective that you made plans to do this every Saturday so you could get rich? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It wasn't like a plan, plan. It was kind like an imaginary kind a, every Saturday like thing, it wasn't for sure. Ah, did you go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house to give him other massages? I did not. While I was on the phone with the Detective, we pretended for 'cause she was on the other line, we pretended that I was gonna go back, but, just that she could say something, but I never did. So you did a control phone call with= Aha. Trying to her naked missions? Yes. Is that a yes? Yes. OK. Alright. Was there another reason, you sort didn't go back? Cause some people might have found about it or where talking about you? Yeah. That's what I was gonna get to. At school, ah, ah, I had like my best friend and I told her in dance class, 'cause that's my first period. That was my first period, ah, class and I like, right when I got back to school, I had this $300 in my purse with me arid I told her like if you ever want to make $300, you can come with me and would take you and I didn't say her name, I said like my friend would take you and all you have to do is give him a massage and stuff and I told her what I did. I didn't tell her everything. I didn't tell her the vibrator part, I just left that out but I told her everything else. Ah, she kind of laughed and giggled and she is like OK, I keep that in mind. Who is this person that you talked? 14 EFTA01714076 ands s s well she was in the conversation but she is like, didn't say anything to anybody. • • • • S EM who? OK. She didn't say anything at first until everybody else found out, ah, and then after I. told the rest of the day goes by and she was telling people like telling everybody in school. And then I was like, I saw her in my Gym class that same day and I just confronted her, I was like, Cool, why are you telling people? And that's kind of my business and I kind of told you to be nice and that's it. Like go around telling people, you are supposed to be my best friend and then she just laughed about it. So we got into altercation in the Gym room. Is that a fight? You got a fight? Yes. We got into a fight and ah, theft when I got to see the Principal's Office, and P told why she got in a fight with me and I told why we got in a fight. I kind ., at first we kind of lied about why 'cause, or I did and then I just told the Principal she was spreading rumors about me. Then I guess, told the Principal, why, like for real, and so then the Principal when I had to go in the room, she's like, minding seeing your purse and I said why and she is like, asked me if I had any money and I said, No, I don't have any money on money. And then she said you don't have to lie, you are not gonna be in trouble, give me your purse. Then I gave her my purse and she found the $ 300 and she asked me how I got it and I Said I worked at Chick Fillet 'Cause at the time, I really did work at Chick Fillet. And, ah.... Why did you lie to the Assistant Principal? 'Cause I didn't think it was like any of her business, like why we were arguing or anything and I thought why would I tell her myself if I, if she doesn't really know anythingyet. But then she really did know 'cause told her. And then after, like after she took my purse and looked at the $ 360,ifit didn't believe what I said, like at all. [just kept lying, like saying no like I got from Chick Filet, my work, my work and then the saidyou don't need to lie, I know what happened and she called my step mom to the school and my step mom came to the school -and-my step mom said like, You didn't get $ 300 from you paycheck, you're lying and that's when like I don't know everything kind of came out and then.... 15 EFTA01714077 • • U • U • • • • • U • U • • You didn't tell parents at first but did you lie to them too. I said I was doing drugs, and I was stealing them. Like I made up any kind of lie, I didn't want to tell them what happened. Ah, did there come a time when Detective got some messages off your phone? From From Yes, oh, after that whole thing, my cell phone was taken away, so yeah, she had my cell phone from that day until she, I moved to I think she still has it or does the court or whatever has my cell phone. OK. You talked about telling your mom you were doing drugs or selling drugs. Yeah. Which one? Both I just kind of, my dad is arguing with me and I just kind of told them: I'm a drug dealer. OK. 1 . 1 you've had a problem with drugs, haven't you? I did. Not problem, I experimented. Didn't your parents actually sent you away to a rehabilitation center because of it? To a Family Help Center to be specific or whatever. It was because of that but it was also because I had a lot of family like getting along problems like I argue with my parents a lot. Were you doing drugs during the time that•you went to Jeffrey Epstein's house? The only *drug that I did at that time was pot like I smoked it sometimes. I didn't do like drugs, drugs like bad kind of drugs. Ah, do you still do pot? No. 16 EFTA01714078 • • • • U U a U (Pause) U ■ U U Do you have a MySpace.com account? Yes. I have a MySpace. On there, do you talk about doing drugs? No, I don't talk about, there's like a, a, like a little things were it says create like your own thingie and it has questions like a survey, that's the word I'm looking for. A survey about like they just ask questions and it says, have you ever done drugs? And I said, yeah, it's a have you ever done drugs. OK. Ah it asks a lot of questions about you, right? Yes, but I also deleted MySpace and I did a good one. 'Cause my parents found out. So you have one that wasn't real good. Yeah. That you lied about your age on. Said you were 18 on. No, I didn't say I was 18. Is this your account? • Here it says a Female 18 years old. Lives in MEI Yes, but I didn't do this one. All mines have like cool things on the back like, mine, I would never make an ugly one. Twins do have more fun. Yeah, and I have that's like those exact same things, on my old one and it had like not where it says about me in that little sentence. I didn't make that. OK. So when you are talking about that survey, you answered, ah, it says, your choice of alcohol and you put Beer. 17 EFTA01714079 • • • • • U • • • • • U U • . • • • Yeah. Do you drink beer? At parties. you have 4 piercings. Not anymore, now I only, I used to have belly button pierced. It takes, ah, you have to be 18 in the State of Florida to have body piercing other than your ears. My dad... How did you get those? My dad took me to get my belly button pierced for my 14th birthday, 'cause like everybody was getting so I begged for it and then I just got my nose pierced ao Did you have to provide identification for your nose to prove you were 18? No, my dad, my dad let me. Your dad, so you didn't have false identification at any time. No. OK, so you said yes to drinking and smoking, smoking pot? Yeah. There's a question. Do you shoplift? Do you recall what you put for that? I did. What, did you shoplift? Like, yeah, a couple of times. Do you recall putting a lot of times on your site? Maybe, this was a long time ago. So..... 18 EFTA01714080 OK, you reported an income of $250,000 on that site. • Ifs a joke, yeah, ifs a joke like all my friends do that 'cause it's kind of funny and random and stupid. • • So it's not that you are making money elsewhere doing similar activity? • No, this is kind of stupid. It's like a joke. • Did you ever make arrangements with to go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house in April of 2005? • Not when I was with her maybe on a phone conversation like with that Detective. But not ever when I was with her. • Did you ever talk to about going back in April of 2005? • I really don't think so. • Alright, ah, at this point I'm gonna ask the Grand Jurors if they have any questions for you, OK? • OK. • Where do you live now? • I live inMM. • Where? • • Did you say you lived up in 9 Yes, I moved to in July with my mother. • Your step mother and father sent you up there to get away from the activities down here. • No, I moved with my mom when I was with my dad like after this all happened. My mom and my dad were arguing and I didn't like my dad anymore. I just felt living back with my mom. So I moved with my mom and that when I went to the Family Center, like, High (UT), ifs what is called. And then after that my mom 19 EFTA01714081 planned on moving ton, She's been planning for like two years before any of this ever happened an t ey finally found the house in a so we moved. And I moved with them. • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • OK. Do you have any idea, did a side of you that what you are doing is wrong? Yeah, I did. Did you set your goals of not do it anymore? Yes, I don't, I haven't talked to any of those people since that day. And you are well aware that what you are doing to your own reputation? Yes, I do. Are you aware that you committed a crime? Now, I am, I didn't know it was a crime when I was doing it. 'Cause I don't know, now I guess it's prostitution or something like that. Any other questions? You said you worked at Chick Filett, you were 14 and you worked in a Chick Fillet? Yeah, in the mall. That's when fast let you work when you are 14. OK. And then you are living back now with your father. You moved back. Anybody else in the front row? Second row, yes sir. You kept saying Jeffrey's Assistant, do you know her name? No, I know that she was blonde haired and she was tall and skinny. I don't remember her name. Yes, sir in the back row. Yes, Miss MEI did you ever go back to Mr Epstein's on your own? 20 EFTA01714082 • • • • • • • • No, sir, I didn't. Did he ever contact you in your cell phone? He never called you? No, because I got my phone taken away. Did you ever feel that his behavior was a little strange? That's what we all joke about in the car. Did it ever occurred to you that he could have act you up? Now, I think about it and a lot of things could have happened. I thought about it a lot and a lot of different things could have happened. Any other questions, for Miss EM Alright, thank you very much. Thank you. 21 EFTA01714083 FILE NUMBER: 31E-MM-108062 DATE OF TAPE: 07/19/2006 TIME OF TAPE: 11:34 A.M. TYPE OF TAPE: RECORDER CASE AGENT: SA E. NESBITT KUYRKENDALL TRANSCRIBED TAPE BY: DATE TYPED: 02/28/2007 PARTICIPANTS: WINP°- GJ - RAND JUROR UM - UNKNOWN MALE ABBREVIATIONS: (UI) - UNINTELLIGIBLE (IA) - INAUDIBLE (PH) - PHONETIC (SC) - SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATIONS EFTA01714084 I'm gonna ask you to stand there for a second and raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? ■ C C • • ■ C C U Yes. OK. Go ahead and have a seat. Ah, you're Yes. Alright, I'm gonna request that you do one thing while you're here. Not really two. ell the truth number one and number any questions you are asked make sure you say yes or no. Not aha, aah, aah. 'Cause it doesn't come out real clear. OK. OK is good too. (Laugh) How old are your Yes. How old are you? 18. When's your birthday? First introduce yourself, what's your name? Where do you live? Ah, in How long have you lived there? Ah, probably about 15 years or so. EFTA01714085 • • • • • • • ■ • ■ U • U ■ U ■ U: • U ■ Who do you live with? My father and his girlfriend. Where do you go to High School? Are you still in High School. No. Did you graduate? I got a GED. When did you do that? Ah, February. Of this year 2006? Yes. What grade were you in when you left High School? 12 Do you know someone named Yes. How did you know Ah, I met her through school and mutual friends. How old is in relation to you? You're same age, older, younger? I believe she's about a year older than me, if not the same age. Was she in school with you? Yes. 3 • EFTA01714086 Was she a Senior when you were a Senior? • a ■ a U a a a U a a • ■ U • • a I think she was one grade ahead of me. OK. Ah, what kind of relationship did you have with We were friends, you could say. OK. You know somebody Jeffrey Epstein. Yes. How did you go about meeting Jeffrey Epstein? introduced us. Did she take you over there one day? Or did she talk to you about going there before you went? She talked to me a little bit about it beforehand and then she went with me. Let's talk about that conversation between you ands What was it about? She said that there was a man that lived in Palm Beach and that he was looking for young girls to, really all she said beforehand was that it would be a massage. OK. Did she describe to you, how you would have to dress to do the massage? She said to dress very girly but that was really all that she said beforehand. Did she talk about how young he wanted the girls to be? No. Did you ever talk about if you were asked your age what you would say? No. When did you first go to Jeffrey Epstein's home? Ahm, I'm really not sure. OK Approximate time, where you in your Senior year of school or was it your EFTA01714087 S • S • S • S • S • S S • S • S S Junior year of school? My Junior year. OK. So you would've been.... How old were you in your Senior year? I, well You turned 18 in your Senior year? turned 18 in my Senior year, Yes, so I was 16 and 17 in my Junior year. During the time that your went to Jeffrey Epstein's home, were you 16 or 17? I believe 16 the first time. And then your birthday is in you turned 17 and then in 2005 you're 17 when you go there? Yes. Ok. Tell us about the first time that you went there. Ah, (clearing the throat) I know this is difficult. They've heard other things so don't be embarrassed. They just need you to be honest. I came in and he asked me to take off my shirt and I gave him a back massage and that was more or less all that it was the first time. OK, ah, did you take off your shirt when he asked you too? Yes. Is that the only item of clothing you took off that time? Yes. Did he give you money for giving him a back massage that first time? Yes. 5 EFTA01714088 NI • • • II • U • • • • • • a • • • • • How much? $ 200. Now , you said the first time, you think you were 16 after that or you were 17? I may have already been 17, I'm not so sure. So, you may have been 17 even the first time. Right. How did it come about that you went back to his house? Ah, asked me if it would be OK if I or if she gave them my phone number and said Yes. How were you contacted about going back again? Ram, one of two girls that lived at the house would call me. One was and the other I can't remember her name. Was it M E yes. OK. And they would call your cell phone? Yes. How many times do you think you went back to Jeffrey Epstein's home? Maybe 10 or so. Do you recall telling the Detective, you thought maybe 15 times? Possibly, yeah. I'm really not.... Numerous times? Oh, yeah. OK. The first time was just a massage and you got the $ 200. 6 EFTA01714089 a • • • ■ • • ■ • a • • Ill•11•11•111 Yes. Did it progress to something other than just massaging him? Yes. Tell us about what it progressed to. He asked me to be completely naked while doing it, alt.... Did you do that? Yes. He asked me to but I said No. Did he make you do things you didn't want to do? No. Go ahead what else? On one occasion, the last time I went there, he How old were you then? It was the day before my 18th birthday. Prior to the-with him, where there any either performed on you, you performing on him or him performing on himself? He would touch himself. How would he do that? What do you mean? What, what item, what part of his body was he touching? His penis. Was he masturbating? Yes. 7 EFTA01714090 • • • • N • • • • • • • • • N • • • • Was that a regular occurrence? Yes. And he never asked you to do more than that? Did you watch? Did he asked you to watch? Or he just did it while you were massaging him? He just did it. (Laugh) • When you were massaging him, did he say anything to you or make any comments? Polite conversation. OK. What kind of things was he asking you? Just about school and what I was going to do when I got older. He knew you were in school? Yes. Did he know your age? Yes. Did you tell him that you were 17? Yes. OK. When did that occur? Ah, the first time that I was there. I told him how old 1 was. Did he have a problem with that? He did not seem to. OK. Let's o to the last time whether is 10 or 15 times. When you had, he 7 Yes. 8 EFTA01714091 • • • • • U • U • U • U • C • • U U How did that come about? He told me to lay down 'cause he was going to crack my back, which he had done before and he just sort of did it. I know this is difficult. You don't want to be testifying about this, do you? No, none at all. Ah, how much money were you paid during the times that he masturbated in front of you? Hmm, mmm. It started at $ 200 the first couple times and then it went to $ 300. What about the final time, when there was $ 300. Why did you stop joing there? Ah, well I didn't really want to go after that and they didn't call anymore after that, so. So it's a combination of both? Yes. If they had called? Possibly but I doubt it. OK. Ah, did you receive anything other from Mr. Espstein than the cash involved. I mean did he give you a car or do anything else? He gave me a digital camera and for my birthday he gave me a like a couple of bras and panties. OK. And was that your 18th birthday? Yes. So you were still seeing him on your 18th birthday. 9 EFTA01714092 U • • • U • U • U MIIIIIIII••• It was the day.... Oh, the day before you said, right? Yes. OK. Ah, was anybody else present during the massages you were giving to Mr. Epstein or when he was masturbating? One time was in the room. Which time was that? What are activities were going on during the time that she was in the room? Ah, well, him and her had intercourse while he asked me to watch. When was that? One of the last couple times. Ah, how long did that go on? Ah, it was an hour. I was there for an hour every time. Were you ask to participate in anyway in the sexual exchange going on between them? Ah, he asked me to touch her breast but nothing more than that. And did you do that ? Yes. Ah, and did either of them touch you at all during that time? No. Just one second. You appear uncomfortable testifying here today. Yes? Yes. This morning when we first met, when you got here. What did you ask me? 10 EFTA01714093 • • U • U • • • • U U U • • U • • U U If there was any possible way, I could not testify. Were you told you wouldn't have to testify? That was my understanding. I expressed that I did not want to and I was told that I would be contacted later on with more information on that and other subjects. And were you ever contacted? No. So you got the Subpoena from me? Yes. Do you want Mr. Epstein to be charged with any crimes in relation to what went on between he and you? Honestly I don't really know. OK. You expressed concerns about your father. Yes. Finding out about your activities. Does he known what your were doing? He has very minimal information. And when did he get that information? Two days ago when I got the Subpoena. OK. So it's not something you've confided in him about. No. Ah, ah, did you want to testify at a trial? No. Do you know how much money, you probably got over all during this time? No. II EFTA01714094 Was your dad aware you were getting the money or were you hiding it from him? I guess you can say I hid it from him because I did not make it a point for him to know. OK. You understand that you in effect were committing prostitution yourself? Would she speak up please? Can you speak up? Yes. Is that an activity you stopped? Yes. OK. I'm gonna ask at this point if the Grand Jurors have any questions for you, OK? Do you need a minute? I'm fine. OK. Any questions for Miss= Ah. I didn't uite hear but during the time you were a Junior did Mr. Epstein had actually you? While you were in Junior? While I was a Junior in High School, No. Then, how old were you again when... I was still 17 at the time. You were still 17. Yes. It's the day before your 18th birthday? Yes. 12 EFTA01714095 • • • • • • S • S • . I . S S I Did you, do you still have contact with Mr. Epstein? No. Ah, does he, do you have the same cell phone? No, I've had 3 different numbers since then. And you do know that ah, since you are 18 now that you could be prosecuted? Yes. What? Yes. And you still say you would not testify against Mr. Epstein? No, I would not like to. Would you? I suppose if I had another Subpoena to where they are going to tell. Yes, I would. Get back (UI) would you? Any other questions for Miss Yes, mam. You don not want to have with him? No. Did you ask him to stop? No. why? I'm not really sure. Do you think he took advantage of your youth? Maybe but it was also stupid of me to put myself in that situation. 13 EFTA01714096 • • • • • • • U • • • • U U S U • • S Perhaps you are to young to be up against a man of that age who had more control over you and what you knew. Yes. You feel it was wrong of him to take advantage of your youth. Yes, I do. And did he take away from your person, your being, your spirit? Yes. And would you testify against him for what he has done and the wrong he has done? No. Because I would like to put it behind me for the most part I was sucePcsful until about two days ago. Yes, Main. Yes, is that the reason that you don't want to testify more just because of personal embarrassment? Yes. Yes, Sir. Jeffrey knew or you said that you did tell him where only 17. Yes, he was.... He was aware of that? He was well aware of my age from the very beginning. Yes, Mam. If you had a daughter, would you want her to testify or tell you? I don't really know. Yes, Main. 14 EFTA01714097 U • • • • • • • • Would it mean anything special to you if you could be the person that's strong enough to stand up, put him away so he would never ever do this to somebody else? Could you be strong enough to do that or want to do that? I wish I could say that I could but I really don't think that I can. Any other questions for Miss Yes, Sir. Ah, to pursue this idea about testifying, ah, would you do it, I mean, would you testify if your were Subpoenaed and would you tell the truth? If I do not have a choice whether or not to testify obviously I would have to. Yes, I would tell the truth because I'm gonna have to do it, I might as well do it right. I think for your character, for your all well being .... That's questions, not comment. OK. To testify would be the right thing to do and the legal the thing to do. Is that a question, Sir? I need a question. Would you do it under those circumstances? Like I said if it was between testifying and going to jail, I would testify which is why I'm here today. Thank you Miss 15 EFTA01714098 FILE NUMBER: 31E-MM-108062 DATE OF TAPE: 2/15/2006 TIME OF TAPE: 01:31 P.M. TYPE OF TAPE: TELEPHONE CASE AGENT: TRANSCRIBED TAPE BY: DATE TYPED: 03/14/2007 PARTICIPANTS: DETECTIVE DE ET ABBREVIATIONS: (UI) - UNINTELLIGIBLE (IA) - INAUDIBLE (PH) - PHONETIC (SC) - SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATIONS 1 073 IcS-or, -1-aA14/ EFTA01714099 3, 2006, the time on m watch is approximate! 1:31 p.m.. This will be a phone call to at area code (Dialing phone number) (Phone ringing) VM: Hi, you reached sorry I missed your call but leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as possible. (When you have finished recording you may hang up or press pound for more options) Hi, this is Detective with Palm Beach Police, if you can return my call . anks. (End of conversation) (Dialing phone number) (Phone ringing) • U • Hello. Hi, Hi. Hi, this is Detectives Palm Beach Police. Hi, how are you? Good, how you doing? Hnun, a little sick but OK, ha. Kind of hear you under the weather there. I'd like to sit down and talk with you about a case that I'm investigating. OK. When would be a good time? EFTA01714100 • • • • • • • U U • Ah, mmm when, like where is this, where are we talking? Ah, anywhere, I can meet you. Ah, OK. Well, I mean. You are not in trouble in whatsoever, I just wanted to... I know, I know, I think I know what it's about too. I should know, right. With all the things that are going on right now. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah. Am I right? Yeah, I know. I've been expecting (01). I still haven't, I know my fingerprints have to been taken and nobody has taken them yet and I don't know if s late going to be doing that or not. But right now I'm off of and. OK. I'm on my way to work and I ordered lunch so I'm waiting for them to bring lunch. I mean when is the OK time for you. I'm not arguing or anything. Ah, well whenever you are done there. You want to give me a call and arrange a meeting place or do you come here or .... OK, unless you, at the ? At the Palm Beach Police Station. On, on the one Gun Club? No, no, no this is the one in Palm Beach, ah, on County Road. County and? And Australian, right across the street from the Sunoco (PH). On.. Right over Okeechobee Boulevard, head all the way East over to Palm Beach, not you first light but your second traffic light, you're gonna make a right and then not your first block but your second block you are going to see a stair on your left 3 EFTA01714101 U • • U • U U • U (Long Pause) U • U hand side, you make a left and you right there at the Palm Beach Police. Ah, maybe this is the right thing, how is it about the delivery (UI) with? No. Oh, this is about something else? Himn, ronun. Oh! Oh, I guess you then you are probably right, I don't know what you are talking about. No, I thought we were in the same page, ah. Ha, ha, ha. Just last week, ah, last week, the week before last I believe or last week I (UI) the delivery of like ninety six pounds of marijuana. Oh, nice. Ha, ha, ha, That's why when you, that's cause we've dealing with this evidently, they know it's not us, they found out who it was but I mean there's still an investigation going on, you know a guy who came from California, I thought that was all about. No, no, no. Oh, wow. OK This is a case that I'm investigating and I explain it all to you, ah. OK, well, ah, hold on one second. OK. OK, Detective? I'm gonna go ahead and call you when I leave here and then we'll, I probably meet you somewhere around there. OK. That's fine anywhere is fine. Depends how difficult it is to go to. 4 EFTA01714102 Yeah, I know, there's not a problem, not a problem. OK. Just give me a call when you ah, when you live there. OK. Bye, bye. (End of conversation) Toda 's date is February 15 2006 and the time in my watch is 1:39 p.m. That was a phone call to at 5 EFTA01714103 FILE NUMBER: 31E-MM-108062 DATE OF TAPE: 01/09/2006 TIME OF TAPE: 12:42 P.M. TYPE OF TAPE: AUDIO CASE AGENT: TRANSCRIBED TAPE BY: DATE TYPED: 02/22/2007 PARTICIPANTS: MI- DETECTIVE DNC - DETECTIVE ABBREVIATIONS: (UI) - UNINTELLIGIBLE (IA) - INAUDIBLE (PH) - PHONETIC (SC) - SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATIONS 1 EFTA01714104 Today's date is. January 09,a and it is 12:42 p.m.. I'm here at the Designing Youth Foundation at the P m Beach Mall, 1840 Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard. Present in the room is myself Detective with the Town of Palm Beach Police Department, Detective o e Beach Police Department and would you say your name e record: S • • • • • • • • Can you spell your last name for me? OK. And your date of birth is? OK. Miss i the purpose of today's meeting is to discuss what, as you know, I'm investigating a case involving an individual, you may know as Jeff or • Jeffrey Epstein from Palm Beach. Ah, based on that investigation I know that you may have some information, ah, pertaining to this case prior/before you tell me what happened, would you raise your right hand for me? Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? So help you God. Yeah. OK. So tell me from the beginning how did you meet Mr. Epstein. Oh, my friend ah, told me that she is modeling for Jeffrey and that he would pay mone l.o,nodeling so I went in there and we had dinner and then he took me into a room and at first went in with me and then, ah, he started rubbing his legs and he told me too at, told me to massage him and I didn't know what to do so I just did it, I was fifteen at the time, now I'm sixteen, in fact [was sixteen at the time and, ah, continue to tell me to dotertain things like to take my clothes off and things that were not right and I know that I should've told somebody but I didn't. (UI) if I told anybody bad things could happen, so I decided not to talk. didn't tell you other than say you were going to model? Hmm, mmm. 2 EFTA01714105 • • • • • • • • • • • • • OK, when you got, she drove you there? No, we took a cab. You took a cab, OK. Remember what cab company. Yellow Cab. Was Yellow Cab? Yeah, I don't remember anything like that. No, I got Yellow Cab. Alright. When you got in, how were you introduced to this individual? Ah, he came out and we entered the main entrance of his house and ah, I was just introduced and he was telling me about some stuff and (UI) Was this during the day time or in evening hours? Hmm, it was evening. It was around like 4 or 5 maybe. 'Cause I remember eating. They Made dinner for you or some kind of meal? Yeah. What did he tell you? What kind of conversations did you guys have? Ah, like I just (UI) What did he tell you? He just... I don't really remember. I can't, I can't tell you. How long ago did you first go there? Hmm, I don't, I don't know, maybe end of May, early June. Of last year? Yeah. 3 EFTA01714106 • • • • • • • • • • Last year, means 2005 or 2004? 2004. 4? Yeah. 2004 I think, I can't remember. OK. They took you upstairs. What kind item can you describe? What you saw when you walked upstairs? Yeah, it was leaving from his bedroom, leaving to another room and then it was the massage table there and that's when I knew that something was up 'cause that didn't sound right to me and then afterwards I pretend (UI) You don't know what to say, I don't know, I think, he thought that I knew (UI) I don't know what he was thinking (UI) obviously he was epileptic or something, I don't know if he needed help, maybe that's why he forgot (UI), 'cause you don't know what to do. I really couldn't tell you that's about it, but.... .... OK, the very first time you went there had you started massaging his legs? Yeah. He asked me to. OK. Were you, were you naked? Or did you, were you down to your ? No. I wasn't naked. started doing it and so I was like "Wow". What's going on? (UI) Do I have to do it? No, just (UI) OK, when you massaged his legs, he was with clothes when you were doing this? OK, what happened next? He told me to take my clothes off me and I Did you stay in undergarment or were you completely naked? No, I stayed in undergarment. Bra and panties or? OK, I know, I know this is hard .... No, I just had a bottom, yeah. No, bra you're saying. 4 EFTA01714107 FIrnm, mmm. OK. I know this is hard for you talk about, OK? I just wanted to know I talked to a lot of other girls and I'm very aware of to what had happened in the house, OK, so I don't want you to feel bad or.... I was gonna break down at first but I'm OK now. OK. So what kind of panties were you wearing at that time? Can you remember? Not really. OK. Probably a thong. OK. What transpired next? (UI) It's a pretty day and I'll see you again, he'll call me up if I didn't (UI) He'll be calling because he thinks that (UI), you know, OK, let me back you up. You're standing there in your undergarment and you're massaging his legs, what else transpired from there? (coughing) That's it. That's it. You just massaged his legs. Oh, then he went out and got a thing and told me to, ah, rub his chest. Rub his chest? Yeah, rub his chest and .... .... and was he doing anything? No. Not at first. I told him don't touch me and he said: "Why?" and I said because I don't like this. I just want to go home and then he let me and I don't know, I was scared, ha. I know he's a rich man. I-Ie (UI) someday, I don't know. • Did he try to touch you? With his hand? • He didn't touch me with his hand. 5 EFTA01714108 • • . (No answer) (No answer) • • • U • • • • He didn't touch you. Did he touch you in your area? Hmm, mm. OK. How did he, how did he touch you? Was it.... He pressed down a little bit (UI) OK. It was just on the outside. Over the panties, under the panties? OK. Did he touch your breast? Buttocks? But there is no like, (UI) Did he use any toys on you? I don't remember. You don't remember. Any massages, vibrators. I don't remember. OK. Where was during all this? In another room. 1 sent her out.... .... You sent her out? Like I told you, when I first got there, told her call the cops and she didn't. So, I knew there was something going on, you know, disgusting. I know this is hard, I know this is hard. And I feel so bad now for the other girls, 'cause I (Ti!) Did he masturbate during the time that he was doing this? You said yes. 6 EFTA01714109 Yes. Did he have you touch him? Apart from rubbing his chest, I mean. No. No. What prompt you to stop the massage? I don't know, I mean, did he ah, did he climax? Yes. He was cleaning towards me and then he climax and that was it. How did he, ah, did he have a towel on him, was he naked? He, at the floor (UI) in the room, he wrapped a towel around him but nothing underneath it. So was he naked or..? And then he put his hands under the towel but he didn't expose it to me. OK. So you didn't see Si, you are just, you're assuming based on how he finished. Hmm, mm OK. Was this the only time he went there? No. You had told=to call the police after what had happened to you? Yeah. And what did she say? Afterwards, ah, he had one of the, one of his employees So we could not really talk about it on the way home and he spec ma ly ropped at her house and me at my house (UI) and so I called her afterwards and I as e her why did you bring me, I was crying, you know, and she said because now I'm hooked, I don't really, I don't have anything else, I don't want know what else to EFTA01714110 do. OK, but why do you go back, I know because he has my number and if he'll call the cops and get us in trouble and it is our fault why this is going on. • • • • • • • Do you know how old you were? I don't know. Did you tell him? Oh, yes he did. Yeah, he did. Did you tell him that you were in High School or . Hmm, rnm Did you tell him which High School you went to? Nun, nun. I did not. Do you remember the employee who drove you home? Ah, From then on, would call and tell me to come in and I, there werello.of times that I told I was not coming in but somehow they would get the numbers to where am and call me and tell me to come in. If I don't pick up my phone, they may call me from the number, if I got, if my friend got, they would call me at my friend's house. I don't know how they got the numbers, I don't know how they did that , but they did, ha. .0K. So is that one of his employees? I think she is his secretary, he thought I did not see her, but .... You did? Yeah. OK. would call you and arrange? Yeah. How would you get there after that first time? A cab. 8 EFTA01714111 • • • • (Long Pause) • • • • • • • Every time you would go, you go with a cab. Either that or one of his employees would come and get me. OK. (UI) How many times would you say you went to the house? A total of 4. Yeah. That's what I think (UI). OK. Did anything happen? You would go down to your panties and you provide the massage. Hmm, mmm And he would touch you? Yeah. Touch you, where? (UI) my breasts down to my body, ha. Did he ever use any, in all the times did he ever introduce any kind of vibrator or touch toy or anything like that? No, I don't remember. OK. Did he ever go inside of you? Nn, nn. Always stayed in the outside? Hmin, mmtn. 9 EFTA01714112 • • • • • • • • a • • • • OK. If you had your panties on, how did he rub your area? With his hands. Over the panties or under the panties? Under and over. How did he, he removed the panties to one side or did you remove the panties? The first time he just did it over the panties and at the same time he took down the panties. Did you ever bring anyone to the house? No. No? No. I had a girl ask me if she could go out 'cause she was willing to voluntarily do it. I said OK if you're sure you really want to do that then you go. The money. What was this girl's name? Do I have to answer that? I 'd like you to. I don't know her last name. OK. How much were you paid each time you went into the house? $ 200. Each time? Hmm, mm. Were you ever told to bring friends? Hmm, mm. By whom? 10 EFTA01714113 • • 0 • ii • 1 • • • • • • • • Ah, Jeffrey or S both. Both asked you to do that. Fhnm, mm Aside from what's her name IME aside from did you ever bring anybody? No. OK. Did ever go? Yeah. Did you make any money for bringing ME Yeah. How much did you make for bringing ME $ 200 $ 200? Yeah. You brought (UI), were you paid any additional money? No, I don't know, she didn't go back. She didn't go back, she went just that one time. Yeah. Actually after that I lost communication, I stopped talking to her. I never saw her after that. OK. You've only been to the house 3 or 4 times. Yes. 11 EFTA01714114 • • • • • U • • • Were you given any gifts? Hmm, mm. iPods' accessories. Aside from the money, any gifts or anything like that. He offered to take me to the Dallas (PH) but Locally? Yeah. Did you ever go in any trips with him, anywhere? No. Would you, Sir, would you? No. Why did you keep coming back if you didn't want to go back? 'Cause I was scared and I didn't know what to do: I was afraid that he's gonna harm my family or .... Did he say he would harm your family? No, but he made threats to the fact something, bad things would happen if I told anybody. Like what things? He never said. Would he say this every time you went? Yeah, he would ask me if I told anybody and then asked me if I'm lying and that he knows I'm lying. He never like battery or anything like that happened but.. Did he ever hurt you? No. Yeah. Well yeah. Definitely. My whole esteem, my brains, my heart, everything. Nothing physically but mentally yeah. Were you confined to, each time that you went was it during the daytime or the evening hours? 12 EFTA01714115 • U ■ • . U . • I think I went during, I don't know, probably mid afternoon, or morning, I don't know. I know, like I said, I know this is hard, OK, but I .... Would you ever call No. Has tried to reach you? A lot. She has called my phone like thirty times a day, but continuously. When was the last time she tried to reach you? It continued for a while even after I like completely stopped going. Like I got away from them and he said I could I was fine, I didn't have to come if I didn't want to and that if I ever tell somebody or call the police then bad things could happen. When was the last time you were there? I'm not gonna tell you. I tried to block it out of my memory the best as I could. Would say in the last 6 months? Hmm,mm. Probably more than a year ago. More than a year ago. You haven't been back to the house more than a year ago? Non,nn. Have you talked to IME No. I saw her on my birthday and we were going to watch fireworks together and ah, she was going to call me and I haven't talk her since. What school were you going to during that time? Hmm, I believe it was during the summer. During the summer? Yeah. 13 EFTA01714116 Were you attending Nnn, nn. No? High School during that time? I was going to (UI) High School. 'Cause I was on my 9th grade year going to my 10th grade year (UI) High School. And you are finishing up here? Yeah. OK. Just gonna ask you a few questions directly, OK? Hmm,rrun Was there any ever, any intercourse? No. Oral? Yeah, he had me get on top of him once, one time and he went around but it wasn't actually putting it inside of me. Were you with panties on or without panties on? Yeah. With panties on. Was there ever any oral sex? (Mumble) No? Each time you went did he massage your_ area? Yes. Your breasts? • Yes. Your buttocks? 14 EFTA01714117 C • • • • • • • Yes. Did he ever penetrate your buttocks? He tried, he asked me if I wanted to and I said No. Your buttocks area or your My Your area and he was gonna enter with his fingers. Yes. OK. Did he ever bring out a massager or a ...? I don't remember. OK. Besides from the 3 or 4 times, he never went back with anyone else. Nnn, nnn. Did you have a cell phone back then? No. No? He called me to my dad's phone. He would call your dad's phone. (UI) A couple of times, he called (UI). I would call there and a then a couple of times he called from his house Do you still have the numbers on the phone? (Cough) I erased (UI) I blocked it out, I didn't want my dad to know. Did your cell phone began with a 202 number? No? Absolutely 15 EFTA01714118 Your dad's cell phone number? (extended pause) OK. 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EFTA01714129 FILE NUMBER: 31E-MM-108062 DATE OF TAPE: 07/19/2006 TIME OF TAPE: 11:34 A.M. TYPE OF TAPE: RECORDER CASE AGENT: SA E. NESBITT KUYRKENDALL TRANSCRIBED TAPE BY: DATE TYPED: 02/28/2007 PARTICIPANTS: ABBREVIATIONS: I imp= GJ - GRAND JUR R UM - UNKNOWN MALE (U1) - UNINTELLIGIBLE (IA) - INAUDIBLE (PH) - PHONETIC (SC) - SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATIONS EFTA01714130 I'm gonna ask you to stand there for a second and raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? S S S • • • U • ■ I ■ S • S Yes. OK. Go ahead and have a seat. Ah, you're Yes. Alright, I'm gonna request that you do one thing while you're here. Not really two. Tell the truth number one and number any questions you are asked make sure you say yes or no. Not aha, aah, aah. 'Cause it doesn't come out real clear. OK. OK is good too. (Laugh) How old are your Yes. How old are you? 18. When's your birthday? First introduce yourself, what's your name?. Where do you live? Ah, in Ma How long have you lived there? Ah, probably about 15 years or so. 2 EFTA01714131 • • • • • • a • • • U U U a • U Who do you live with? My father and his girlfriend. Where do you go to High School? High School. Are you still in High School. No. Did you graduate? I got a GED. When did you do that? Ah, February. Of this year 2006? Yes. What grade were you in when you left High School? 12 Do you know someone named Yes. How did you know Ah, I met her through school and mutual friends. How old is in relation to you? You're same age, older, younger? I believe she's about a year older than me, if not the same age. Was she in school with you? Yes. EFTA01714132 • S • S • • • • U S S IIIII•1•••• Was she a Senior when you were a Senior? I think she was one grade ahead of me. OK. Ah, what kind of relationship did you have with We were friends, you could say. OK. You know somebody Jeffrey Epstein. Yes. How did you go about meeting Jeffrey Epstein? introduced us. Did she take you over there one day? Or did she talk to you about going there before you went? She talked to me a little bit about it beforehand and then she went with me. Let's talk about that conversation between you and What was it about? She said that there was a man that lived in Palm Beach and that he was looking for young girls to, really all she said beforehand was that it would be a massage. OK. Did she describe to you, how you would have to dress to do the massage? She said to dress very girly but that was really all that she said beforehand. Did she talk about how young he wanted the girls to be? No. Did you ever talk about if you were•asked your age what you would say? No. When did you first go to Jeffrey Epstein's home? Ahm, I'm really not sure. OK. Approximate time, where you in your Senior year of school or was it your EFTA01714133 • ■ C C C C • C C C C C U C U U • Junior year of school? My Junior year. OK. So you would've been.... How old were you in your Senior year? I, well You turned 18 in your Senior year? I turned 18 in my Senior year, Yes, so I was 16 and 17 in my Junior year. During the time that your went to Jeffrey Epstein's home, were you 16 or 17? I believe 16 the first time. And then your birthday is in October 2Q04, you turned 17 and then in 2005 you're 17 when you go there? Yes. Ok. Tell us about the first time that you went there. Ah, (clearing the throat) I know this is difficult. They've heard other things so don't be embarrassed. They just need you to be honest. I came in and he asked me to take off my shirt and I gave him a back massage and that was more or less all that it was the first time. OK, ah, did you take off your shirt when he asked you too? Yes. Is that the only item of clothing you took off that time? Yes. Did he give you money for giving him a back massage that first time? Yes. 5 EFTA01714134 • S a a • • a a a • a a a • a a a a • How much? $ 200. Now , you said the first time, you think you were 16 after.that or you were 17? I may have already been 17, I'm not so sure. So, you may have been 17 even the first time. Right. How did it come about that you went back to his house? Ah, asked me if it would be OK if I or if she gave them my phone number and I said Yes. How were you contacted about going back again? Hmm, one of two girls that lived at the house would call me. One was and the other I can't remember her name. Was it yes. OK. And they would call your cell phone? Yes. How many times do you think you went back to Jeffrey Epstein's home? Maybe 10 or so. Do you recall telling the Detective, you thought maybe 15 times? Possibly, yeah. I'm really not.... Numerous times? Oh, yeah. OK. The first time was just a massage and you got the $ 200. 6 EFTA01714135 • • • U • • • U • • • U U U • U • Yes. Did it progress to something other than just massaging him? Yes. Tell us about what it progressed to. He asked me to be completely naked while doing it, ah.... Did you do that? Yes. He asked me to touch him but I said No. Did he make you do things you didn't want to do? No. Go ahead what else? On one occasion, the last time I went there, How old were you then? It was the day before my 18th birthday. Prior to the where there, any sexual acts either performed on you, you performing on him or him performing on himself? He would touch himself. How would he do that? What do you mean? What, what item, what part of his body was he touching? His penis. Was he masturbating? Yes. 7 EFTA01714136 Was that a regular occurrence? Yes. U U U U U LB: U LB: ■ LB: U LB: LB: U LB: U And he never asked you to do more than that? Did you watch? Did he asked you to watch? Or he just did it while you were massaging him? He just did it. (Laugh) When you were massaging him, did he say anything to you or make any comments? Polite conversation. OK. What kind of things was he asking you? Just about school and what I was going to do when I got older. He knew you were in school? Yes. Did he know your age? Yes. Did you tell him that you were 17? Yes. OK. When did that occur? ' Ah, the first time that I was there. I told him how old I was. Did he have a problem with that? He did not seem to. OK. Let's go to the last time whether is 10 or 15 times. When you had, he Yes. 8 EFTA01714137 • U S S • U • S • • • • • • • • • How did that come about? He told me to lay down 'cause he was going to crack my back, which he had done before and he just sort of did it. I know this is difficult. You don't want to be testifying about this, do you? No, none at all. Ah, how much money were you paid during the times that he masturbated in front of you? Hrnm, nu m. It started at $ 200 the first couple times and then it went to $ 300. What about the final time, when there was actual II=M? $ 300. Why did you stop joing there? Ah, well I didn't really want to go after that and they didn't call anymore after that, so. So ifs a combination of both? Yes. If they had called? Possibly but I doubt it. OK. Ah, did you receive anything other from Mr. Espstein than the cash involved. I mean did he give you a car or do anything else? . He gave me a digital camera and for my birthday he gave me a like a couple of bras and panties. OK. And was that your 18th birthday? Yes. So you were still seeing him on your 18th birthday. 9 EFTA01714138 • U U • U • • • U U U i U • • • It was the day.... Oh, the day before you said, right? Yes. OK. Ah, was anybody else present during the massages you were giving to Mr. Epstein or when he was masturbating? One time was in the room. Which time was that? What are activities were going on during the time that she was in the room? Ah, well, him and her had intercourse while he asked me to watch. When was that? One of the last couple times. Ah, how long did that go on? Ah, it was an hour. I was there for an hour every time. Were you ask to participate in anyway in the sexual exchange going on between them? Ah, he asked me to touch her breast but nothing more than that. And did you do that ? Yes. Ah, and did either of them touch you at all during that time? No. Just one second. You appear uncomfortable testifying here today. Yes? Yes. This morning when we first met, when you got here. What did you ask me? 10 EFTA01714139 • • • • • • U • U • • U U • U U U • If there was any possible way, I could not testify. Were you told you wouldn't have to testify? That was my understanding. I expressed that I did not want to and I was told that I would be contacted later on with more information on that and other subjects. And were you ever contacted? No. So you got the Subpoena from me? Yes. Do you want Mr. Epstein to be charged with any crimes in relation to what went on between he and you? Honestly I don't really know. OK. You expressed concerns about your father. Yes. Finding out about your activities. Does he known what your were doing? He has very minimal information. And when did he get that information? Two days ago when I got the Subpoena. OK. So it's not something you've confided in him about. No. Ah, ah, did you want to testify at a trial? No. Do you know how much money, you probably got over all during this time? No. 11 EFTA01714140 • U • • • C U • • • • C • Was your dad aware you were getting the money or were you hiding it from him? I guess you can say I hid it from him because I did not make it a point for him to know. OK. You understand that you in effect were committing prostitution yourself? Would she speak up please? Can you speak up? Yes. Is that an activity you stopped? Yes. OK. I'm gonna ask at this point if the Grand Jurors have any questions for you, OK? Do you need a minute? I'm fine. OK. Any questions for Miss Ah. I didn't quite hear but during the time you were a Junior did Mr. Epstein had actually penetrated you? While you were in Junior? While I was a.Junior in High School, No. Then, how old were you again when... I was still 17 at the time. You were still 17. Yes. It's the day before your 18th birthday? Yes. 12 EFTA01714141 Did you, do you still have contact with Mr. Epstein? No. Ah, does he, do you have the same cell phone? No, I've had 3 different numbers since then. And you do know that ah, since you are 18 now that you could be prosecuted? Yes. What? Yes. And you still say you would not testify against Mr. Epstein? No, I would not like to. Would you? I suppose if I had another Subpoena to where they are going to tell. Yes, I would. Get back (UI) would you? Any other questions for Miss Yes, mam. You don not want to have intercourse with him? No. Did you ask him to stop? No. And why? I'm not really.sure. Do you think he took advantage of your youth? Maybe but it was also stupid of me to put myself in that situation. 13 EFTA01714142 • • ■ • a I • U • • • • a a Perhaps you are to young to be up against a man of that age who had more control over you and what you knew. Yes. You feel it was wrong of him to take advantage of your youth. Yes, I do. And did he take away from your person, your being, your spirit? Yes. And would you testify against him for what he has done and the wrong he has done? No. Because I would like to put it behind me for the most part I was successful until about two days ago. Yes, Mam. Yes, is that the reason that you don't want to testify more just because of personal embarrassment? Yes. Yes, Sir. Jeffrey knew or you said that you did tell him where only 17. Yes, he was.... He was aware of that? He was well aware of my age from the very beginning. Yes, Mam. If you had a daughter, would you want her to testify or tell you? I don't really know. Yes, Mam. 14 EFTA01714143 • • • • • • S • Would it mean anything special to you if you could be the person that's strong enough to stand up, put him away so lie would never ever do this to somebody else? Could you be strong enough to do that or want to do that? I wish I could say that I could but I really don't think that I can. Any other questions for Miss Yes, Sir. Ah, to pursue this idea about testifying, ah, would you do it, I mean, would you testify if your were Subpoenaed and would you tell the truth? If I do not have a choice whether or not to testify obviously I would have to. Yes, I would tell the truth because I'm gonna have to do it, I might as well do it right. I think for your character, for your all well being .... That's questions, not comment. OK. To testify would be the right thing to do and the legal the thing to do. Is that a question, Sir? I need a question. Would you do it under those circumstances? Like I said if it was between testifying and going to jail, I would testify which is why Pm here today. Thank you Miss 15 EFTA01714144 FILE NUMBER: 31E-MM-108062 DATE OF TAPE: 07/19/2006 TIME OF TAPE: 09:21 P.M. TYPE OF TAPE: RECORDER CASE AGENT: SA E. NESBITT KUYRKENDALL TRANSCRIBED TAPE BY: DATE TYPED: 02/23/2007 PARTICIPANTS: ABBREVIATIONS: (UI) - UNINTELLIGIBLE (IA) - INAUDIBLE (PH) - PHONETIC (SC) - SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATIONS EFTA01714145 • • • • • • • • • • • • • • S • • • Alright. Could you tell us who you are? I am How old are you 16. What's your birthday? How old were you in February of 2005? I was 14 still. 14 or 15? I was 14 still. Well this happened I was 14 still. You turned.... 15 in May of that year. And you just turned 16. Yeah. So you were just short of 15. Hmrn,nnm. Alright. Where do you live? I live in == Where do you go to school? I'm gonna be starting school at OK. That's the new high school out in .... In High School. EFTA01714146 • OK. Where did you go to high school in 2005? • • Where is that? • . On what road? • Yeah. Probably. • What grade were you in, in 2005 when you were in High School? . I was in 9th grade. . Did you know someone named • Yes. • How did you know . • I used to date her cousin. . OK. How old is I= At the time I think she was 18 or 19. I think. ■ Who was her cousin that you dated? • • Was.. going to school at or did you know her from outside the school? . I knew her from outside the school. . How much contact did you have with ■ I met her the night before I went to Jeffrey's house. • OK. Tell us the night about the night when you met Haley. 3 EFTA01714147 • • • LB: • LB: • • I was with my boyfriend at my house and her or his aunt lives like four streets down from mine so we went to say Hi to his aunt and stuff and he left us there and .... Have you met her before that night? Alt, like a family football thing, like they had a family get together for a football game and she was there but I just said Hi to her, like I never knew like who she.... Not a lot of conversations or .... We were just like Hi, Nice to meet you. OK. That night you go down there. You meet her what happens? Yeah, and then, alt, it was just kind of like a regular night and we are hanging out watching TV and then like it was like 11:30sh or 10 something like that and she was like, ah. what are you doing tomorrow and I said nothing and she was like, Oh, I'll, lunm, mnun you want to make like $200. And I was like, yeah, sure and she was like, Well you are you gonna have to like ah, meet my friend Jeffrey and he lives in a big humongous mansion and like he lives like on the water and all that stuff. And then I was like, like that's really cool and then she's like but you have to give him a massage for like 40 minutes and that's all you have to do and you get like $200 for it and it's really easy, you know. I was like OK, or whatever it's just a massage and then= was like, ah, he was wanders/hat happened and then we just told him and then he was like arguing with and then him ands went to the bathroom for like a couple of minutes to argue. And- had like her boyfriend there so me and him were stuck in like a living room watching TV, listening to them arguing foromle of minutes and then they came back out. Then we went outside and had called Jeffrey on the phone and Jeffrey's assistant lady, I don't remember her name, she answered the phone and she said that she had somebody that could give Jeffrey a massage tomorrow and the lady asked how old I was and who I was like what my name was. But said that I had to be 18 so she told the lady I was 18 and that I went to , and I was a Senior and everything and 'till the assistant lady said like OK, that's fine, come in tomorrow. So, ah, then I went home.... Let me stop, you there, a couple of things. Do you know if and were, what they were arguing about? Yeah, because didn't want me to go, because I guess, he knew about like his cousin kind of id already and, ah 4 EFTA01714148 Did that concern you that. didn't want you to go and you were agreeing to go anyway? Well, yeah, 'cause, well he was, I was like, I guess 'cause I was 14 and he was like 16 and stuff and he was just like don't go, don't go, don't go and I was like, well it's $200 and I was 14 and I was like it's $200 so I didn't really care what he said. a a • • • a a a OK, and from listening tol. end of that phone conversation, the person at Jeffrey's house was trying to verify that you were at least 18? Hmm, innim OK. Is that a yes? Yes, sorry. OK And but like after she hung up the phone with the lady, she explained to me that what, we went back inside the house and she explained to me that I was gonna have to like, tell the lad , like make up a lie about my whole life, like if I went, I'm graduating from already that I am18 and all that stuff and that I have known for a long time like just to make it look like I was older and, uh, so I agreed to do all that stuff and then I went home for.the night and then the next morning, and another lady like another teenager girl, I don't remember her name, she was in the truck with her and like we were leaving my house and but my dad saw and he, I told him we were going to the mall in Palm Beach and my dad's like "OK", he didn't have a problem and since it was or Zach's cousin and he said it was OK that I was going with- but he, like we were leaving and my dad was coming the opposite way pulling into my driveway and he saw andl. asked for 5 dollars for gas so my dad said like "Yeah, sure 5 ollars" whatever and then we left and then when we got to Jeffrey's house.... Do you know Jeffrey's full name? Jeffrey Epsteen or Epstein. Where was the house? It's in Palm Beach, whatever, but then when you pull up in the driveway but nobody was there like is like, "He's not home". So we walked up anyway, we all get out of the car an there is like a gate that you have to walk into to go to 5 EFTA01714149 the backdoor and there is like a Security Guard or whatever and he has like a little office in the back and he saw us so he came up to the gate and he asked us what we were there for ant. said Jeffrey and so the guy is like "Ah, OK". He opened the gate, all e of us went in like through the back door towards the kitchen 'cause I guess the kitchen is right there when you open the door, so we were sitting like in a bar like this and we were waiting for about 15 minutes, then Jeffrey and the Assistant walked in through the back door also and then that's when I first met Jeffrey and he shook hands and then the lady also introduced herself too and thtn ah, the lady was talking to = and the other girl for a cou le of seconds and then Jeffrey said who's gonna go first, whatever, and uh, and uh, the other girls is I don't care and then Jeffrey said how about you pointing to me and I was like OK and then I was like looking back at and laughing and then she was like, scooted her hand to go, she was laughing to and I was like OK. So then we, in the kitchen, it was like a little hallway, not really but it's like a stairway to go upstairs and we were walking up there and the Assistant lady walks me up there and as Jeffrey was talking to them after and then she was pointing out like all these pictures and all the stuff leaving me upstairs like a bathroom, looks like really big though, and like there was two closets and then she went into the one closet and pulled out the massage table and uh, set it out in front of like this couch and then ah, she put like,ah, -a little blanket or whatever over the massage table and then she opened up a drawer and there was like a whole bunch of different like lotions for giving massages and she just picked like a couple of them out and just sat in the vanity table, there was a big, big mirror on the other wall, opposite to the massage table and then, uh, and then she told me to get un well not undressed put keep your bra and your panties on and I was like OK and then she said • • • • • • Had= told you about that before? • No, I thought like it was gonna be a massage like you keep your clothes on. Not when I got to in the room that's when the lady like explain what I would have to do. Just to get undressed and keep my bra and panties on and then... And did you that? Hnun, innun. Is that a yes? Yes. OK. 6 EFTA01714150