EFTA01718041

LAW OFFICES OF GERALD B. LETCOTYRT, P.G. A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION • NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10081 GE FACSIMILE • RENATO C. STABILE • • FAITH A. FRIEDMAN VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS Esq. Isista.MAte 'tates Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 • Re: Jeffrey Epstein Dear Ms. Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. • • • • As you know, in advance of last Thesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. • EFTA01718041 LAW OFFICES OF GERAIS B. LEFCOIIRT, P.G. • • Esq., Assistant States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 2 • The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore so arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevant: Tab 1: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his • genitals; Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in sexual intercourse with him; • Tab 3: Not only did Mr. Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr. Epstein would not allow them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the • extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they • could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, • Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection to what occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do so, or both. Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in • many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., some of which we have already previewed in the February 1, 2007, letter. • EFTA01718042 • LAW OFFICES OF GERALD B. IZFC,OURT; P.C. • • • • • • • • • lAsistail l i tt nited States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 3 Finall t to our re uest we have included copies of the full working transcripts of the and recordings. If you have any questions regarding any of the maten s we ve provided please feel free to contact us. Very truly yours, Gerald B. Esq., Deputy Chief, Northern Region , Federal Bureau of Investigation Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq. • EFTA01718043 HMO, No. 5109N JULIUS BLUMBERG, INC. NYC 10013 O 10% P.C.W. EFTA01718044 • • • • • • • • • Page 3. IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OP INA.1.-•,Ma• 1 I I EFTA01718045 • r ♦ • • • • • DRAFT Page 16 1 and that, I don't know, we just don't talk anymore. 2 Q Which was? 3 4 Q and -- 5 A And III. I don't know if bee ever slept 6 with him. I canrt speak for her. But he liked her the 7 most. I don't knew why he liked her the most but it was 8 always working for him. And she wouldn't just bring 9 girls. She would work for him. 10 Q How much money do you think she made? 11 A I don't know. She never really -- the first time 12 I brought her she made 200. After that I think she started 13 making like 300, It's not accurate. Like I can't -- 14 Q The more you do the more you get paid. 15 A Pretty much, 16 Q I know you said that. But 17 A Rieht. I think she made 300 after that. I think 18 abe started making like 300. 19 Q Dose he make the girls touch him down there? 20 A. I don't know. 23. Q is that part of the massage? 22 A It wasn't with me. 'He Pivot; aaked ins te; touch him 23 or fondle %S.M. He peter aaked.nft I don't know if he's 24 ever asked the other girls. It was never really brought up. 25 It was always him touching them. 1 1 EFTA01718046 • • • • • • • • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EP$TEIN DRAFT VT t1ZOTAPED INTERVIEW OF 1 • ...N..ACT.a...,..larkOhts./.....•aii.l...........•,..••••/.....0471:Cramr . 1 • EFTA01718047 • • • • • • • • • DRAFT Page 19 1 Q Throe hundred. And that was the last tine you 2 went? 3 A (Weds head yes ) 4 Q When ho 5 A I didn't have 7 8 A Ch-huh Was that lt• A 11 Q Okay All right. Did he pull 12 you close to hie? 13 A Yeah. And all this while he was masturbating? 15 A (Nods head yes.) 16 Dt,ehe heels; ieti toado tilt? 17 A. NO.. 18 .4044.1. Mr* tt$44:400t4je, '.,'Ouch la* anig.* . 19 age 42 : 20 ihrk!letl. No'; 21 Q Did you bring anyone clot, ether an 22 23 0 24 A 2S 0 Do you know Illits Last name? fi I • EFTA01718048 • • • • • • • • • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPS?' iN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW 0? t i I • • EFTA01718049 DRAFT • • 1 2 4 Q A A Page 5 Right. They cover enough. They don't show too much Okay. You messaged him? Uh-huh. 5 Q Did. he try to touch you in any way? 6 A No. • 7 Q Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 8 vibrators? 9 A No. Huh-huh, • 10 Q' ,Did he ask, you to toUth. him? 11 lk that *at:R*3M tif.Ait:*704044q0'. 12 • 13 A. ituhylii*, • • 14 Q No? 15 A I would have said no anyways That's gross. • 16 Q Okay. Did he touch himself? 17 A Yeah 18 Q Okay. And I mean, I mean by touching himself, did • 19 he masturbate? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Okay. Do you know if he got to the point where he • 22 climaxed? 23 A He did. 24 0 He did. Was that the only time you ever went? • 25 A one time. I I • EFTA01718050 • Page 3. IN RE; JEFFREY EPSTEIN • • • VIDEOTAPED TXTERVIEW OP • • • • • 4 I I • EFTA01718051 • 0 0 0 0 • • DRAFT Page 12 1 A Okay. My bad. 2 Q I was writing that quickly, and I was 3 thinking 4 A Okay. That's fine. S Q All right. Was there anybody ever at the house 6 that you provided a massage to aside from Jeffrey? 7 A No. No. 8 Q tkittn*M440.49(.Tr'.4i4.he evet 4SX .YOU-*0 touch' ..t • .. .• . .• 10 A -Wc 11 Q Did he touch himself? 12 A Yes. 13 Q would he be just touching himself or would he be 14 masturbating? 15 A He would masturbate. 16 Q Okay, How would you know that the massage was 17 over? 18 A He would come. 19 Q He climaxed? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Again, I've talked to a lot of girls and go far 22 everything seems to be in the norm, so that's why I'm saying 23 don't, I know it's a little eMbarrassing. 24 Did you ever meet any other girls chat came to the 2S house? 3 4 %FLY al•CotWIWW,PLIrel.TIIMPR. • EFTA01718052 • • 0 • 0 • 0 • • • Page 1. IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAXIED INTERVIEW Cr I • EFTA01718053 • • • • • • • • • • I)IIAFT Page 12 1 ..O4he"-4'ver swig• yob` to• tench bOtlir 2 NO. .(inafl0Abc0 I- 7W00.:SUrPrigted about...that 3 bedause, bet.i)ever 4115Od but UP,40)109.. 4 DRTICTr.V9 5 Q Okay Lid you ever see him nude? Naked? 6 A I wasn't paying attention. He got in the shower 7 in front of me but I wasn't paying attention. 8 Q So you can see -- the shower you could see from 9 the room? 10 A There was the shower and then he has like a bath 11 If you come up into his bedroom, I don't really remember. 12 but if you come into his room there's a shower. As you oome 13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 14 then a massage table right here And then there was a couch 15 going around right here. And the shower (inaudible) he took 16 a shower and he's like feel comfortable and I was like okay. 17 I don't remember if he asked me to take off my clothes, my 19 top and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. 19 have bad memory It was a long time ago. 20 0 Okay So if you wanted to look, he would have I 21 been naked in front of you; you just made it a choice not to 22 look? 23 A Right. 24 BY DETECTIVE 25 Q Okay i •••••••••"..04..4••ia.l.l..0.4•14.4. 1 • EFTA01718054 • DRAFT • • 3 4 5 • I.D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch, is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15105. (Inaudible) • 7 8 UNK: Just 9 ■ Okay, the Present also Is...could you state your name • 10 please? 11 ■ 12 ■ Spell your name please? • i3 • 14 ■ And your date of birth? 15 • 16 And you are? 17 • , Family Therapist. 18 • Could you spell your name please? • 19 • ■ 20 ■ And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 • Yes. • 22 ■ Okay. I'm here today;■ and I have stated briefly law I'm here is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, r a girl you know. Page 1 of 43 • ■ DatecLe 2 MS • EFTA01718055 • • • • • • • • • • 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 . . . . . . . . . ■ . ■ . . • u . . Are you lying about anything? .No I'll swear on the bible. Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. I swear to God. Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. So that's if. You did not have any kind of sex with him. Fleck not! I will swear on my mother's grave... You know what having sex with somebody means? Yes, I know what having sex with .somebody means. oKay. You,. rie tiele.loach*Iltis..Perika? Rt nci. time did:1 touth.hitpeois. At any time, did he touch you..... At no time... Besides putting his hands... Besides that, no times did he touch me. And just so I can be sure, you saw him once. Yes, I saw him. Okay. And as far as you think...._ I think, I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises were being made when he was (inaudible). And that's it. I thank you very much This will conclude the interview. The time now by my watch Is approximately 3:05. Page 43 of 43 • EFTA01718056 . . • S . . IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DlitAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF Page 1 • EFTA01718057 • • • • • • • • • 1 A Yeah. T Wage 6 2 Q Ckay. 3 A Well, no. :t was the second time that 1 gave him 4 a massage. The first time I went up with 5 Q Okay. You went uostairs with 6 A No, r was in the kitchen. 7 Q You were ln the kitchen That was -- you only had 8 two mimes that you went mere? 9 A Yeah.. 10 Q the f_rst time you didn't do anything but just sit 11 in the kitchen? 12 A Yeah. 13 Q Whc did you sic in the kitchen with? 14 A He had a coos that was there and he had -- there 15 was -Vs's two other girls there that :ive with him. 16 Q okay. Did yo:i massage his hack? was he naked 17 when yo:: were massaging him? 18 A Well, he had like a towel around his -- his .3pper 19 was (inaudible) but he had like a towel around him. 20 Q Okay. Did he ever remove that. towel? 21 A No. 7.2 Q When you were massaging him he never removed the 23 LeweL? 24 P. No. 25 Q 0145!... PIO' t.0403: - '" - - • - Attiln1t tmesma ristWeiftantla.VonteuseedoedwasSS Jr+ WA • EFTA01718058 • 1 • • • • • • • • • 1 Pti:flta area? 1)ItAl:T 2 WO4 do that.: 3 Q You wouldn't. do that? 4 Okay. Did ha touch you in your private area? 5 A No. No. 6 0 No, 7 A He kept like staring at r and like, I don't kncw, B I just felt uncomfortable and I _eft. But I heard other 9 stories that like -- 10 Q Right.. I'm concerned wfth you, I know aboat 11 other stories and I've interviewed other people have mold ma 12 different things. That's why I'm trying to find oat whet 13 happened to you. Okay? 14 A Uh-huh. 15 Q You're the victim in this so that's why I'm trying 16 tc find pet what happens Lc you 17 A eh-huh. 18 0 Okay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 19 This girl that lives with him. 20 Q Okay. So took you ap? 21 A Yes. 22 Q Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 23 A Huh-huh. There's a massage table and she jLst 24 laid a towei down and she said that Jeffrey will be ot.t foL 25 nis massage. Page 7 1 1 1 i pt J • EFTA01718059 • 2 • • • ROMAN No. 5109N JULIUS BLUMBERG. INC. NYC 10013 • • • • • • • • • • EFTA01718060 • DRAFT • • ID. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now. by my watch, is C approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3;15105. (Inaudible) • 7 6 UNIC Just 9 • Okay, the Present also Is...could you state your name • 10 please? 11 • 12 • Spell your name please? • 13 0 : 14 •• And your date of birth? 15 • • 16 • And you are? 17 • Family Therapist. 18 • Could you spell your name please? • 19 • 20 • And you're her familytherapist? Am I correct? 21 • Yes. • 22 • Okay. I'm here today; and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in 23 reference to an incident that happened to a friend of yours, or a girl you Know. Page 1 of 43 • • EFTA01718061 DRAFT • Are you lying about anything? 2 No. I'll swear on the bible. 3 Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. • 4 I swear to God. 5 •: Okay. Is them anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 6 1. No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. • 7 II ./S0Inat sit. Yetrdichnottlieve anr.kirkkoGsex,81411O., . . • 8 I: - Heck Exill. 1 Will itWeat tinthy:Mother4}0faVe:a;te; •::: ,:.:•:. .. . .i• .:‘,:: rZ. t 4.. 2. r:la 9 III - .Si4ti. i4ibrigWilall 11.1C4 bin% iklitt. r11161:00itiiiiiellS lc 1:141Z::>•':;:..:... t, ,fActr;.•; ..; :5: -.. • • • .. • • - 10 ill YOS, r knOW1A4),;thlVIng..0*Wit frill 600.0Y, mean 11 . Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 12 . At no time did I touch his penis. • 13 s At any time. did he touch you 14 . At no time... 15 . Besides putting his hands... • 16 . Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 E And just so I can be sure, you sew him -once. 18 . Yes, I saw him. • 19 . Okay. And as far as you think.... 20 . I think, I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises were being 21 made when he was (inaudible). • 22 . And that's It. I thank you very much. This will conclude the Interview. The ttr-ne 23 now by my watch is approximately 3:05 Page 43 of 43 • • • EFTA01718062 • • • • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN • EFTA01718063 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 A (Shakes head no.) I Page 21 4 2 Q Okay. "his case i2 basically an irvestigation, an 3 open investigation, so 1 appreciate it wnat we discuss stays 4 hero. Okay? 5 6 7 8 A 0 A Uh-huh, Don't tell anybody that we, that we talked, Okay? Okay. Kgvo,4O.Y4* 84;044:;844,0144 9 10 n Q 00; Nc oral? 11 A (Shakos head no.) 17 Q Nothing? 13 A Nothing else. 14 Q Okay. I'm going to show you @ group of 15 photographs I'm going to show you a grotp of six :6 photographs. Okay? I'm trying, trying to see if this IIIII 17 is is these six photos Okay? it's important that you look 18 at all six of then and be sure who you plex as the person as 19 Okay? She may or may not be in thane six photos but 20 it's important for you to pick the right. one. Okay? 21 A Uh-huh. 22 Q Take your time looking at those six photos there. 23 A I don't see her, 26 Q She's not Sr. those photos there? 25 A No 3 1 .041Nea. • EFTA01718064 3 ROOMS! No. 3109N JULIUS BLUMBERG, INC. NYC 10013 10% RC.W. • • • • • • • • • • EFTA01718065 • • • 1 2 4 • • ■ DRAFT Detective I.D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The tine now, by my watch, is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3;15/05. (Inaudible) • 7 8 UNK: 9 =Okay, the . Present also is. ,.could you state your, ano • 10 please? 11 • 12 • Sped your name please? • 13 14 • And your date of birth? 16 El• • 1 fi And you are? 17 , Family Therapist. 18 Could you spell your name please? • 19 20 And you're her family therapist? Am I correti? 21 Yes. 22 ■ Okay. Um here today; and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in • 23 reference to ar incident that happened to a friend of yours, o a girl you know. Page 1 of 43 • • EFTA01718066 • • DRAFT : Okay. Altar everything was done, okay, did he watch you get dressed? 2 No. Cause I was gettng dressed while he was out there getting the $300. I • 3 guess that's what he was doing. Thais the only thing he came back In with. -le 4 was still in a towel and stuff. 5 In the room, al all, do you think...and I don't know if there is or not, but do you 6 think there is anything in there that may have recorded what you did? • 7 Oh my gosh.... a A video camera... Oh my gosh. I didn't think about that. There was Iota of places there could have • r." been one because there's pictures, that could have been, I don't know... 11 When he walked out... the reason why I ask Is because he walked out once and 12 then came back in, right? • 13 Yes. 14 So it could be JJst so he coup 'was just curious. I don't know if o there is or nct. • 1 ■if there was, did not know about it. 17 Okay. So you get dressed, you go downstairs where is !hat woman again? 18 Duwn gal re talking to and the other tin, 19 Okay. • 20 • They were having a conversation. 21 • I At ertifirile;clidlhelepeal61444kWdleenleirCtleVelf5W,Old1)040:•0100 22 • 'IcipiligfrOktyciiiikeire? : • • • May. YE*, kritj1.4***KdottaiActratoottio. 23 Page 38. f 43 • • EFTA01718067 • • DRAFT 1 hililiiireryOuttuilitttebautiti totopotAft*fettel p*tif 2 $0 I Said • 3 your, iliiblargidierlifialififtireatly3fatbecaulletikk'SiWaffl 4 Inakailt soUnCtiligailwatlyltigibrianything., • 5 So what other things did he ask you? • 6 0: UM. how I lotow what school I went 10. 7 • Did you tell him what school you went to? B 4104itb42tialellakiatifOliirtal .:.; 9 # 1' he'AtOi • 10 h? • 11 Yeah, he iwas likeiwhatigrade are you *? itietatilaititchfiliali0litil 12 stilt • • 13 .01041 14 g iliebrfustfttifild'hfiilitiwas 15 iDtYyouitold'him-youiwagraleghidiit • IN Yes. 17 Are you sure? 18 Yea. 19 Clay. What else did you talk about? • 20 In Urn, that's about it. And he was kind of asking n CO how I know is 21 nice to me and then he told me how he knew and he was like, I was 22 kind of like, how do you knew lCause I brought up the conversation. Fie • 23 said well I know because she's been working for me for a long time. And Page 39of 43 • • EFTA01718068 • • • • • • • • • • Page 1 IN REt JEFFREY EPSTBIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OP 1 ../..-....-A-ladda.......1 1•SW•PWIS • EFTA01718069 • DRAFT • • • • Page 9 BY DETECTIVE IM 2 Q You said he 3 it? Where did he 4 A 6 A (Inaudible.) 7 BY DETECTIVE RECARBY: 8 Q Okay. Eow long did he 9 A A few seconds Not long. It wasn't long. 10 Q Okay. Did you tell him you didn't like that or -- 11 A No. I told him -- I didn't tell him no and I 12 didn't tell him that I wasn't comfortable. I wnen't 13 comfortable but / didn't tell him that, And like I said, I 14 made the money that day so._ 15 0 Did you guys discuss a.-orzhing7 16 A Huh-huh. 17 Q gid he ask Iplrfrep4; agr. 18 A Ye9h, I. told' h1nv i Wow 14: 19 Q You told him you were 18? Okay. Did he want you 20 to come Back? 21 A We said ho would love if I coma back mamotima but 22 I never wilt back. 23 Q You never went beck. You colyment one time 2. What was and doing when you were 25 upstairs? • EFTA01718070 • • • • • • • • • 'ft: 747: jSITFE:?' EY3TLIii DRAFT VIDEOrAPED INTERVIEW OP A f • EFTA01718071 • • 0 • 0 0 • a 0 0 DRAFT Page 12 or be didn't care? 2 A I don't think he cased. Be told re the younger 3 the better. 4 Q The younger the better? all right, Pretty much that's bow it worked Pe didn't -- 6 let ma just put it this may, be / tried to bring hie, 7 tried to biinw hie a woman who was 23 and he didn't really like it. 9 Q Be didn't go for it? ID A It's not that he didn't go for it. It's just that IL be didn't care for it And he44A04.the.0t.3:O014t.ae. 12 betvoen the ago* $ like 1.0:004.10. 13 Q Okay. 14 A But mostly the girls I -- I think gene e£ them lie 15 about their age. I know that when I started off young I 16 think he knew better to believe 0s i think he know that I 17 was younger, like 17, but I told him that i was like 14. 1B Q Okay 19 A 77ttuc.of,th6..girls004' v• , 20 0 Right. 1)e04408 P*d440%*.W1* 21 A reap... *et Oft404AbOirfe,444r:' 32 O Bow do you contact bin? Bow do you know when he's 23 in town and stuff like that? 21 A 25 0 Oh, calls us. calls you? •••••••••••.4 or EFTA01718072 • • • • • • • • Pagel IN RE: :EFFREY EPETZIN ➢RAFT VIDt0MPED INTERVIFW OF • EFTA01718073 • • • • • • • • • 1)ago 14 1 A Yeah. $100 more just to take my shirt oft. 2 Q Okay. And you said you didn't do it. 3 A No. 4 0 Okay. AA he masturbate or. the sitcom° tau?' 5 A Ytah. 6 Q And d_d he ever climax? 7 A Actually the second tiro like it waanyl that bad 8 because ha was like on the photo all the time and so he 9 wasnit paying attennian to what was going on. 10 Q Did he ever at any point masturbate the second 11 tire? 12 A Wo. wot that I remember 13 Q Cid he ever ask yoc any mu:lotions or speak to you 14 cI asA you anything? :5 A Weil 1. he tried to calk to you just to make you 16 comfortable with the situation like wre•e do you work and 17 like how such do you make at your work and then he start•. 18 adyng you can mace more with me, tut 1 didn't reel. like it 19 wan right. 20 0 Did he eve: know your real age? 21 A After a while like because somebody told rim. 22 0 Scat you were -- 23 A Yeah, 24 0 17? 25 A uke toaa 11S,, we Oro ,supposMic to say two . . . . . . . • • •• • AA •• • A • • EFTA01718074 • • • • • • • • • Page 15 1,were 18. 2 Q Ape. ;trio told' you 0.4- to, ail)? tc.'1.0.ti 3 4 5 A was the onu wno brcughL everything to 6 everyone at school. Tbot's 'low we know about it Then she 7 took and took me $ Q Okay. So each time you did go, did get 9 money for taking you or -- 10 A Nell, went with me twice I glass. And that 11 was it. Then I went 12 Q Okay. And did she make mency? Did make 13 money for taking you to him? A No, I was taking her. 15 Q Oh. you ware ta4.nq her So you brought -- 16 A She knew about it and ere ask me if I could tell 17 her because she didn't know waere it was But I didn't get :8 money etc of that. 39 0 Okay. Did arybody ever help you do a masnage 20 Him? 21 A So. asked ma so do it with her and I didn't 22 feel comfortable 23 Q all right. All right Salk to me about the third 21 time you went. 25 A I don 1t remember :t was like kind of always -- • EFTA01718075 • • • • • • • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPID INTERVIEW OF I 1 I i 1 • EFTA01718076 DRAFT • • • • • • • • • Page 13 1 A He came. 2 Q Okay. 3 A Because he was like, made a big sigh of relief 4 like he bad been done and he just got right back up and -- 5 Q Do you know where he cane on? Was it on the 6 towel? Was it on himself? On the bed or -- 7 A I think it was wet the towel like right. between his 8 legs probably. 9 Q Okay. Am 1 told you before and I explained to 10 Your woo, what be did was wrong, okay? 11 A Ult-tinh, 12 Q I want to reassure you on that. Okay? 13 At any point did he ever ask you to leave year 14 phone number or -- 1$ A )o He didn't ask ne £or anything. Like 1 think 16 he asked me my name in the beginning 17 0 PickterkM04-P:41tage 18 A .t .dom!t. thick g,*440, thiOc- 4(1,1. 19 QeStiStafrellillilluOwi1Vf6Jk,:lee11. 41t141114Clida how 20 o:.d. are Y9W Jun nay YOU!#e iVrek'Pokld'rl0 hat/ .44 21 1, v40. 22 . 23 A. 24 eahloatr, okay i. nought yen Tae .to d0e a dirt*iiv age. ttaassage 25 Q 00 you have any formal naccago training!! •••••=.4•34.1 4.1, 131027701.4•Mra.•••••• • EFTA01718077 • • • • • • • • • • sage 1 IN R£: JEFFREY EPSTETY DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTURVIEN OF • EFTA01718078 DRAFT • • • • • • • • • Page 9 1 Q Okay. All right. When you would 9O back and do 2 the massage, would it, would it maintain the mama or were 3 more things -- 4 A Well, no I mean I would take my jeans off a lot 5 of times or whatever but that was that. I never slept with 6 him. I never did anything to him. Nothing like that. 7 Q Okay In it male to assume that you provided the 8 massage wearing only panties? 9 A Yea. 10 Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 11 ha ever couch you/ 12 A Like I moan he would like =ouch my hip or whatever 13 but I mean that, that's really it 14 Q Okay, 15 A And if I ever like asked, if I ever said I wasn't 16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't want you to touch 17 me, he'd be like fine. (Inaudible.) 18 Q And. akit.all.eedered:whae.:ten*M0' *110404 • 19 right/ 20 A. 171P 6 4* .4 140 444:1401§TC*0040#i *:-.00-4* '40* 21 monthe .already, My ntrOuliyim in 40410:$0,AhAd-iieeri 1.8• for' 22-a. Wines 23 Q Okay. You're 19 now though right? 24 A Yea. YOA. 25 Q it was about a year ago when you met him. 4 • EFTA01718079 • • • • • • • • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OP Page 1 I 4 $ 1 • EFTA01718080 • DRAFT • 0 • • • • • • • Page 8 1 that's it I lust told him -- 2 Q Did be come up here or did you meet with ham in 3 Florid*? 4 a HO c=0 up hero. 5 Q Oh, he came up here? 6 A Yeah. 7 Q He met you right hero? 8 A Not here. I didn't want to meet. I met h:m at 9 Hal-Mart and I jest -- he just kept asking mu questions that 10 I didn't know the answer to so 11 Q Was he an investigator? Was he an attorney? 12 A I don't know. I don't think he vas an attorney 13 because he kept saying the information he's getting from me 14 is going to go to Jeff's attorney so I don't think ho was an 15 attorney. 3.6 BY DSTSCTIVI3 17 0 What kind of questions vas he asking? If the 18 police were involved? 19 A Yeah If -- how the police got involved. L said 20 I don't know What kind of questions they were asking. I 23 nnid I don't know bceauso L haven't been questioned yet. 22 And just like how old I wan whwa I went there and basically 23 like you guy° are asking what I did when I went there 24 BY DRIWTIVB 25 Q NoMottAtite.04,8 yousibe01.g00 fiiret starW7lipi • EFTA01718081 • DRAFT • • • • • • • • • Page 9 2theta? A Eighteen:. I'm 1S414aw thi# last 3 Q M r right? 4 A Yeah. And I turned 19 (inaudible) 5 Q And did he question at the same time? 6 A Did the guy? No. 7 Q Did he ever? 8 A No. said she didn't want to 9 Q Okay. And he said he wan a representative of 10 Jeffrey elgatein? 11 A Yes. 12 0 Did he call you or did Jeffrey or 13 A No. he called me. This is the number. Itrs 14 IIIII- 15 Q 21.44-.4h. 16 17 Q Okay. %hen was this you met him? 10 A Like two, three -- it was Friday or Saturday 19 Q Did be CCM by himself? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Did he tape the conversation? 22 A No He asked me if be cOUld. I said no, 23 SY DersCTIVE 24 O Okay. If he reaches out to you again, just give 25 him my number and have him call ca. 1 EFTA01718082 • • Page 1 IM RE: JEFFREY LPSitttl • DRAFT • • VIDECTAPED INTERVIEW or • • 3 • • • 1 • EFTA01718083 DRAFT • • • • • 1 2 3 4 A 0 A 0 All I had we my underwear. Yost pinkies; res. No bre? Page 5 A Yo 6 ‘May. 6:ow Od'Ychl nnwi -11COrW 7 20fl 6 . 9 10 .A • 0, 11 Q Well, your birthday is it 12 A Wh-huh. 13 Q' at14-19!n- 14 -b - 16 Q So what else happened when you provided him the 17 massage? 19 A that's just .t. Ho had a towel over his private 19 parts and he was just laying on the table sad I wao juot 20 massaging from his knees down for about 4$ minutes and she 21 said all : had to do was give him a massage for an hoot no 22 that's what I did. And then lkke ter minutes before we wero 23 getting ready to leave he asked her to Iw, beeauve we were 24 in the room together and all 1 had to do waft massage his 25 chest and that's it. He had the towel en him and about Elva 5 • EFTA01718084 ?r,cc IN R2I J2???Ry EESTELN • • • • • • • • i)ItAF TAPED INTERVIEW OF • EFTA01718085 • • • • • • • • • Page 5 1 might want to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then 2 he asked me about what : wanted to do when I grew up and 3 stuff like that and T asked him what he did and he said he 4 was like a scientist basically, 5 6 7 8 9 .c? .0k0- kv4c, asit uou 4:00.44.1,0v. Q well it wou".,d have been 16 if it was a year ago, 10 right? 11 A Well it like was almost a year act). (Inaudible) 12 17, 13 Q Okay. During the massage did you -- were you 14 naked or 15 A No. i had my clothes on. 16 0 You had all your clothes on? 17 A Uh-huh. 18 Q Okay. Did he touch you to any way? 19 A He was like kind of like leaning towards it but I 20 was like you could tell I was shy so I think that's why he 21 didn't try. But I heard about other girls that he -- that 22 he got flirtatious with them and he made them take off their 23 clothes and stuff. I 74 1 I 24 0 Okay, What that was the first time you went, i , 25 right? • EFTA01718086 • • • • • • • • • • Reorder No. 5109N JULIUS BLUMBERG, INC. NYC 10013 G1D% R.C.W. EFTA01718087 • Page 1 • • • • • • • • • 'IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW CF I ti 5 1 4 i • .van-n..., EFTA01718088 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT Page 6 1 Q One time. How much did he pay you for that? 2 A $300. 3 Q Okay. All right. He never was there ever a 4 time you felt uncomfortable? 5 A No. Like I'm Very Comfortable with like he asked 6 me that too and he's like ate you uncomfortable and like ate 7 weird as it sounds I'M very CoMfOrtable with Myself SO like 8 it didn't really bother me. And I needed the money so, you 9 know, my boyfriend and I were having a hard time so I did 10 what I had to do, you know? 11 Q I understand. I understand. That was the only 12 time you ever went? 13 A One time. And I think I dropped her off once and 14 got her an hour later when her car was down or something. 15 Q Okay. And -- 16 A He had like a massage room, like a bed and like he 17 has this 18 Q Massage bed or like a bed bed? 19 A No, like a massage bed. Uh-huh. A massage bed. 20 Q Okay. And where was this? What part of the house 21 was this? 22 A His house is massive. We went in through the 23 kitchen, up the stairs around, so it was like I guess 24 towards the front on like the second floor maybe. Maybe 25 over the pool or something like that. SAAIAMme.6.44.0... 4110.11•0 ..: tri T., • vs e %I 0440-.4 rie EFTA01718089 • • • • • • • • • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT 4 VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF I alawnit SAIY. te.•4...Watil .•••.411,1•Rat W .1 /4 4.1, 14 • .0.....•••.• • EFTA01718090 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 Page 9 Q Okay. All right. When you would go back and do 2 the massage, would it, would it maintain the same or were 3 more things -- 4 A Well, no. I mean I would take my jeans off a lot of times or whatever but that 6 him. I never did anything to 7 0 Okay. Is it safe to massage wearing only panties? 9 A Yes. was that. I never slept with him. Nothing like that. assume that you provided the 10 Q. Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 11 he ever touch you? 12 A Like I mean he would like touch my hip or whatever 13 but I mean that, that's really it. 14 0 Okay. 15 A And if I ever like asked, if I ever said I wasn't 16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't want you to touch me, he'd be like fine. (Inaudible.) 17 18 19 20 0 And this all occurred when you were 18 though, right? A Uh -huh. I had been 18 for lik 44111111111111111111 21 already. My birthday's in 22 a while. 23 Q Okay. You're 19 now though right? 24 A Yes. Yes. 25 Q It was about a year ago when you met him. so I had been 18 for k Ii 1 3 1. • EFTA01718091 • Page 1 • • . • • • • • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF 4 1 4 I • EFTA01718092 • DRAFT • • • • • • • • 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 14 want to tell you any wrong information. Q Okay. That's fine. A But I don't -- Q That's fine. You have not had any contact with A No. Only thing I know of her is that I guess she's working at (inaudible) now. • Did you ever leave your phone number for him to call you? A No. He never had my number and I never had his number. Q Okay. A He'd call through He'd go through And you never gave any money? A Huh-huh. Q Okay. BY DETECTIVE Q Were you afraid when you were in there? A I wasn't afraid. I guess I should have been (inaudible) but I wasn't afraid but I wasn't very comfortable. • Were you afraid to say no to anything? A No. I could have said no but at that time I was in debt. I was in a lot of debt and I needed that money and I 1 • EFTA01718093 Page 1 • • • • • • S IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF • otJ •04 itn EFTA01718094 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT Page 15 Jeffrey's. 2 Q Okay. Obviously this is an ongoing investigation. 3 I would appreciate it if anybody does call you from the 4 house to try to find out information or ask you questions 5 about what if the police have contacted you, I would 6 appreciate it if you called me. You have my card, right? 7 A I have it somewhere. I'm not sure what I did with 8 it though to be honest. 9 Q Okay. 10 A Thank you. 11 Q Okay. Just a few more questions. 12 When you had intercourse, obviously that was 13 consensual? 14 A Uh-huh. 15 Q Okay. He's never forced himself or forced 16 anything on you? 17 A No. 18 Q Did you bring anyone to the house? 19 A Yes. I brought two people but each of them only 20 went once. 21 Q Okay. Who were those people? 22 A A girl named 23 Q Uh-huh. 24 A And a girl named 25 0 And? Nmnse:ntioadogs • EFTA01718095 • • • • • • • • • • Page I. IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT I TAPED INTERVIEW OF • EFTA01718096 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT Page 5 1 But I haven't because I haven't known him that long. 2 Q Okay. Your first time you went you just sat in 3 the kitchen and waited for correct? 4 A Uh-huh. Yeah. Plus he wanted to meet me. 5 Q Okay. As you've gone, tell me has anything 6 escalated from just a massage? 7 A No. Like the first time I went, I waited. The second time I went, I stayed in all my clothes and like gave 9 him a massage. And then I think it was probably the third 10 time I went he asked me if I'd like to get like more naked 11 or whatever and I said no. I just didn't feel comfortable. 12 After that he never asked me anything that made me feel 13 uncomfortable. 14 Q Do you give the massage in your undergarments? 15 A No. 16 Q Completely clothed? 17 A Completely clothed, yeah. 18 Q Okay. 19 A I mean he's asked me but I said no because I just 20 don't feel comfortable doing that. 21 Q Has he touched you? 22 A No. 23 Q Has he -- 24 A The closest he came to touching me was giving me a 25 hug goodbye. But not inappropriate (inaudible). I I h g • EFTA01718097 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT Page 11 Massaged what? His -- 2 A His back and his lower back and his feet. 3 Q All right. Okay. Have you ever seen him naked? 4 A No. In a towel but that's it. 5 Q That's it. Has he ever touched you? 6 A No. 7 Q Has he ever touched himself while you were 8 massaging? 9 A No. He was mostly like on the phone. Like my 10 friend told me, he's perverted but he's never that way 11 toward me. He asked me once. 12 BY DETECTIVE 13 Q What did he ask you? 14 A He asked me like the third time I went there. 15 Q To do what? 16 A If I wanted to get naked or do anything more and I 17 said no and I think he could tell I was like uncomfortable 18 with it so... 19 BY DETECTIVE. 20 Q Okay. All right. So aside from and 21 Jeffrey, did you meet anybody else in the house? 22 A I met -- yeah, but I don't know like I didn't meet 23 them but I've seen them. Like I was never formally 24 introduced but I've seen a little like short -- I don't even 25 know. Some lady out there didn't speak that well English Ai% WWI •I• 21 ,1- 14.1.m. `ININIre IOW }Y.*" , 41•I•C•31.••••ilfal411•Jal•••••Vyal • 1 1 • EFTA01718098 • Page 1 0 • • • • • • • 0 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN ORM 9 I TAPED INTERVIEW CS 3 • EFTA01718099 • • • • • • • • • • 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DRAFT Page 6 1 Q Okay. When the second time you went, how did you, 2 how were you contacted? 3 A Asked -- when he asked -- when he gave me $300 and 4 asked me to come back, I had left him my cell phone number. Okay. 6 A And called me and told me that Jeff had wanted me to come back and then I went down there. • Okay. Do you recall when this was? A No. I know it started like this time last year because I think about January is the last time I went when I met my boyfriend and he didn't want me going down there. Q So January of this year was the last time you went? A Yeah. • Okay. All right. So she calls you and tells you to come -- A (Inaudible.) • -- tells you to come to the house to provide, to work? A Uh-huh. Q Did anything happen during that massage? A No. The only thing he ever did was he tried to told him I didn't feel comfortable with that and he always said that if you didn't feel comfortable just to let him know. He didn't want you to feel I 1 1 5 EFTA01718100 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 7 uncomfortable. Q Was that on the second massage? A No. Probably about towards the end because I was fully clothed until the third massage. Q Okay. A That was the massage. That's when just I did it in my bra and underwear. And then after that is when I started feeling uncomfortable with it because he was like why don't you take that off and I was like no. And then just -- he never pressured me. He never forced me to do anything. But he would like try to talk you into it and I didn't feel comfortable with it. Q Okay. So you recall both -- the first two times? A Uh-huh. Q Did he touch himself during the second massage? A I guess kinda he would sometimes. Q What do you mean? A Well not -- like towards the end when I was in my bra and underwear like sometimes when I would be rubbing his chest then he would. Q Okay. Did he do it on the second time you went? A No. Q Okay. The third time you went, how were you contacted to go? A called me again. • 0.01.0-..-I--Q.0.0.00 . ...mt.,' 0 .10.7...04.0...4.4.0.0.10:,.. . • EFTA01718101 • • . • • • • • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF t c 1• Y.4. stmineses — os, ter s. . .ustassras,slAatibssalsonssoLsistemsesas..m.4:stssLI.../...J:60••••SO:41-11....rs, r pY • EFTA01718102 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT Page 4 1 there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's 2 why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me 3 about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other 4 people already who have told me what transpired in that 5 room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... 6 A Well, the first time I went there I did a massage and he was just asking me a lot of questions. He seemed 8 like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and 9 stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept to looking at me and he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm 11 like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I 12 was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he 13 said well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. 14 And he was like why are you like being shy and I was like 15 oh, I don't know. And then he would like change the subject 16 and he started talking about other things. And then when we 17 were done he said that if like I wanted to come back and do 18 more then he would like pay me more and then I would have to 19 talk to and I could come back. 20 Q Okay. What kind of questions did he ask you as 21 you were massaging him? 22 A He was asking about it was a year ago. I don't 23 remember everything but... 24 Q Right. 25 A He was just asking me if I had any friends that 1 • EFTA01718103 • • • • • • • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF • EFTA01718104 • • • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 7 Q Okay. At what point did he reach out to try to touch you? A While he just before he started to he goes I'm going to and I was like I don't feel comfortable that way. I'm fine. I'll continue to give you a massage but I don't want -- I'm very uncomfortable. Because before she told me if I felt uncomfortable just tell him and he'd back off. So I told him that I was uncomfortable like after he or -- Q Okay. He A Yes. Q Did he touch your area? A I would not let him. No. Q Okay. And you mentioned A Right. Q Did he try to A At first it was jest outside my pants and then he tried to -- I had a belt on with my jeans • but he could not and I was like I'm not comfortable. Q Okay. He A Correct. • Okay. And you had a bra on, correct? • EFTA01718105 5 • • • Reorder No. 510911 JULIUS BLUMBERG, INC. NYC 10313 e RCN/. • • • EFTA01718106 • • • • • • • • Page IN RE: JZ:FERE1 E?S?EIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF eelt~ulimoanid.hflatir.65.21:JuLta tt.a err I....6nk..o.•..gApn, ea.• • EFTA01718107 • • • • • • • • • 1 2 3 4 Iii1AFT Page 5 A Yeah, just to bring a girl. 440.1the:744X4 41744t 1,0p.,9f0414.knOti.::t140t she would` have to -11-tanage z laint 4 - . she -141aq etiti elthkel -s. St:O. 1q*W '01/4kYttith4Y 5 BeoanS:that w4a nn.S.::.11 .4*..ffnayl.a rilie4e.„1 . 4a:110. 4 pictleibe • .. " , ..• • •• .• r.::' '' .:••• '• .,a': • ! i•thyl t-khow what they 6 ...With.P.giii tP111:110#AV!1#1;1:141.!"::th:'...;ttt.Y.7CH2- .1; .-.: make. ., _ _ ,:i -,,' ,,,„: ;I:. c.?' . : . .t :, . you.ekthov, • i Tedyyps 7 we i4 4-i rilti rk4400( 1gctri99 , :'4F-t 4,44 P"r..,. . -y . .. 8 -'..4IAP0;• 4-4t41°W)1411" these' !foroliiv61* , 1.4 • -. Aeiori-t":. T.- Wirt --: ''.: - .. . . , 9 thf 7 .-14` P1• 20 want 01,e9?*otatt:4-40ps.:-:: 11 • A: 8. ;6!1. 12 ' was 'getting hnselt ifatd.. It 14S.5.411: VQ:311ht'd t e 13 Q Okay. What did you tell her that she was going to 14 do? 15 A I told her the same thing. I told her I -- you 16 know, this guy Jeffrey -- she came to me saying she needed 17 money, da da da da da. I basically told her about it. She 18 was like, you know, what do you have to do. I told her, I 19 was like, you know, the more you do the more you make. 20 That's it. You're going to have to take -- you're going -- 21 in order to make money you're going to have to go up there, 22 you're going to take your clothes off. But the more you do 23 is the more you make. She walked out of there with $300 so 24 she obviously and evidently let him do a little more. Plus 25 on her way home she kind of told me what she did. 4•41•14.4.00,/ • EFTA01718108 • • • • • • • • 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 IMAF T Page 13 A calls us when she gets in town. calls us to let us know when he's available. Q Oh, okay. A I've called him maybe once or twice to see if he was in town when I used to work for him but primarily would call us to let us know when he's in and when he wants people to work for him. Q So she would call you and say okay, he's coming in Friday? A Friday at 7 he wants someone to work for him. Saturday around 12. Q Okay. Let's talk about for a minute. Okay? A Okay. A. at the'tiMe was aatipl.yOUi.eouSin, rd4ht?' Oh-khuh. Okay. She told yeti she heeded.ho make tilmwy. She WO the. know yOu watjteOPW'ggffn.Y1 3 told You .y.04-kboo-ra '0'..p•ift**yq Q And did YP4 tall her A (OOdS•tika;od itS.) Q Okay. So. sire. knew that? A SnekneW aerytkihg be. of estel aqmo:€0 Q So shs .10C4k tAOreAgi&a%4(Sg;t0-#4'A to :be same • • EFTA01718109 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT Contact pretty much yeptve ex otly wiletllis.*44ct'at#11P110w0. ' Itold her Vieg: on‘vi,th-the girls that. glitt#4hOre..,:. I" told nermlijtO tt.3.6 your 44S. Yait::4S0a.di6 'mot, fine Btft when 1451i 0 ,-40, that::g6Ofkr-46W't'-WAtIg-tk5'...: . . . , -clixtrrt: a0 : f$.0.att ro 1),40#.yAr now 4: 04,:its1g,..ei0041-14:. -- what did she tell you that happened in that 20 downstairs, when she came downstairs me and her and I 25 believe it was I was with, we all walked out. We got L...imaehawl4AFil.1.146hta."Filflitt... .4.i..nr..r.....{t..Itl..V.aw:ratIM,Tetrd•acsI..e.:*: FT"...nYmbrialbaltlenhavtA vis(40an ,..Sto....t..`roOmownenravOlapestth....nlone“ronazor.r..,..staattsJut • EFTA01718110 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 2/ 22 23 24 25 Page 18 A What do you mean? Q Like if they, they wanted to work, how did you approach them? Say listen, I got this guy in Palm Beach? A For the most part because like I said, two were my friends. The others were like my acquaintances. It was a little more easier talking to them about it because I knew them. Q Just take a deep breath. Take a deep breath because I can see you working up again. You're working up the tears. I can see it. I don't want to get you like that. A I pretty much would just ask them. Q Straight up? . , A If you're loOking for extra money let .me. know. This guy down in Palm asnatri 4 14-:0All:yr:W444440141/ •, - wealthy. YOu have to give him 4:40:att.444e. .. qh&et..411)..r y Would tell them Then it they 4S161.1AtSeOted told: me • 1.Ves,1 want to 04 it, r woula:144*.s 06414 beifOta •• . : . • • they would attellyegres,'-,if....0ena10-Me4 trowW1 good, I'm interested, thent'WOqIii2telX*WITL Oc474 •I want to let you know thiS is whet yOu'heve ..6544 'This! is *Sat is Q Did you tell them that you were going to make money for bringing them over? A Most part I believe they knew. knew. EFTA01718111 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 35 you're breaking me off more. And they did. And after that Jeffrey said he didn't want her working after she started agruing. That's the only problem that I can think of. PETETIME . SP when you et' seou prj:0,--,0c4tispotrtsrii . ybuicrY10,6 to %n41 00,1tbe, :WatNSUI 3411t0 . . Jelfre7*S -rue 'Tej.):::theiji.jAat into beCauSe . On''•4HWant THE WI.TNES'S:. DETECTIVE And is now, is 17. When do you think you took her there? In order of events, when do you think you took there? THE WITNESS: She was 16 when I took her there. It was her -- I took her probably like 8 months ago. It's been a while. It's been a while. I don't know the exact dates because, like I said, I haven't contacted him in a while. But it was a while ago. DETECTIVE Now does she live near you, j aldiftetliNlailOw•-4tesicsmissfilia.... 1•••11• ••-•-••••••iw4hImMelwa•-.11. • et-Yraal==.19,40.1,04.•••••••61oi”khliewabLIAP trOt•WaltC..•allallelUsabrolohdrostatairilei • EFTA01718112 • • • . • • • • • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW Cr earabeal9WP Glir4I4 4.7017.11••••,•••••• 0.0iiiirt•talli,01.11a‘a•a• aliallildIACOW AIM.. • EFTA01718113 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT Page 5 both sat in the kitchen that day. those are the ones that did the ta . *- 01th either; A • I niStbe .0i*M4 O44 a. tells you hey, .yoc,,,:knot what iottt **it to anything else yolm'r:e etii;1,•*Ose to sad. no and he'll., you know what I mean's. ',He would,'--- M'Ornetn444i. like • hey; if you tcto ke:et. tree tO iar)no alad 4.N .6 r ;with it p e.Ct much, - • . Q Okay; . Arid: wHu+t ~9~} meant he :wa+nts to: do this., VOA .4:-106.0040 A Eight. •• ••••••••••• • giving massages and that was it. I didn't 4443net.lkwarasir.S4,614.teLftthritatha.a.a.haJaa.M.Anme4.:irsts4.4f..nctanars.a.....)1.10. • EFTA01718114 Page 1 • • • • • • • . • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF • EFTA01718115 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 4 to be true. And as I found out it wasn't quite what she said. Just he asks the girls to take off their clothes and give him a massage and he likes watching them I guess. Q Okay. I've talked to a lot of girls and I pretty much know what goes on, okay -- A Uh-huh. Q -- to some extent. So I want you to feel free to talk to me without any problems. Trust me, there's nothing you're going to say that's going to shock me. I've talked to a lot of girls that visited the house. 'S'A504.ti.*-11tI tgicrk you, A Q And told,.ypu for t7 a ataa$4Oa- fOV 4*W 1,44 a4a . . tell you Pipu'd hays to provideHthe.Oaroeat*ha4te0 .A She said Ow. 3 .1644ht :400 tO:take:Ott oy, clothes but that be abi4.:to• leave on my underwear which was true. Q Okay. So talk to me about the first time you went to the house. A I went -- went in with me and brought me upstairs to the room that's like off to the side of his bedroom and showed me how to set up the table and where all the lotion is and everything. And then she went outside to wait for me. Q Okay. R...brianaeleanes.. it.o.f tun a. glavtranlot.“.6....UNa-ine. %et nIma3a•{1.4.-tdsonsinlusiumrav:ic • EFTA01718116 • • • Tape: Date: Time: PBPD & October 11, 2005 4:10 p.m. • Participants: Det. IMM DETECTIVE (introduces the recording and asks most questions) Det. DETECTIVE 2 • 'S FRIEND • • • • • Abbreviations: UI = unintelligible // = voices overlap DRAFT • Transcript 1 October 11, 2005 PBPD & EFTA01718117 • • 41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 DRAFT Urn, a couple of days later, I believe it was a Saturday night. I'm almost positive it was, cause I know I didn't have to go to school the next day. Urn, and definitely wasn't a Friday. So it next Saturday night after that. She set it up, and I picked her up from the her apartment, and we drove to the island and I worked, urn, and he paid her three or four hundred dollars to bring me. 8 DETECTIVE: Okay. 9 10 And that was it. 11 • 12 DETECTIVE: All right. Urn, and this was a year and a half ago, correct? 13 14 Maybe two, I'm not sure, I didn't really keep track 15 16 DETECTIVE: //Okay. How old were you when you first, uh, went over there? • 17 18 If it was two years ago I was sixteen, if it was a year and a half, I 19 would have been sixteen or seventeen, I don't know. 20 21 DETECTIVE: Okay. • 22 23 Like, I really don't know. 24 25 DETECTIVE: Okay. When you first went to give a massage, um, you were 26 explained that, it was just a massage? 27 • 28 Just a massage. 29 30 DETtCTIVE: Okay, Did she explain, um how you would have teibe•dressed to 31 :give airti1ssage? : • 32 • 33 34 35 36 37 • 38 39 She said cute guts, s6 IloOked cnte, .did beSt, 1.• didril.t I.didn'et think that it was. what Wasn't naive eriOng4:t4:thirikrthiitfie Vat gonna Pa.O110 ;two iiimdted.ollio. just for nothing;‘[atutters],t, I dbriakriOwAike I don't know what was going through my head,. I absolutely know Arid I theback of mymindl was thirikings coUldbelegitiMatt but I Wes.als96thitiking; you know; at The•Sarne time, as she fucking 40 crazy? Like; this guy'smotpima-pay you money for not, doing 41 anything;: not letting him cop a feel or nothing. You know? So I 42 didn't know what to think, I was like oh, I'll just go and I'll feel it • 43 out and if I don't like it, leave. Like, in the middle of it, like I 44 don't care. If he does something that I have a problem with then 45 I'll leave. 46 • Transcript 4 October II, 2005 PBPD EFTA01718118 • • • . • • • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF I •.••••••••••..V.ThittlellTSW,0112.,Coal J43,•-in•••”,•••••••.K. Cltialti.11161.V.WS16..la i=a0 Aiwa vz• EFTA01718119 0 • • • • • • • • T 11141.4......44 •440marratt•rfnrannwmattaw-anatoramisueo•••••••+.•••levins..thratanlialWa•tatnallaa-i.a.nr...aarnc&oer-aaxeccawavesiieuntaaria-{NJ.JaaoallttiMALWOOlJe-SM...“.....Liaa. can't (inaudible) money. Q 1110‘14Le 0“- .aik:You 00$00fti41.. they.ikate with it or t4it CoMiOrt4b10 ,141. . . .• i. e Won :bad the T - Ova: Mitia" topless. -0;i! A Toplie.aSC Okay,. A S9 that wSS. Okay. Was there ever a time him hey, I'm not comfortable with that? I think that's really it. Again, you're not in any trouble. I'm, I'm T. I • EFTA01718120 • • . • • • • • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF I I 4/.114": • EFTA01718121 • • • • • • • • • • 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 to 1/ 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DRAFT Page 3 A Seventeen. Q You were 17. Okay. And you went there with whom? A Q brought you? A Yes. . . .0kay.-.psdthe tell.yquHutat -urn, what you ;ire requ rad to do?. A She S'atid:th4t-T. "'00did:40.4 massage and elat -.r.* would Iyay.m t t1 th .40.7 ' rip *140A.t0 off 4,Pied0..bf clothing, if 01Oi:*4/0i4y-litil me. Sne .s:p.id if not, L didn't have to:; Q Okay. So when did you go? A When? Q Yeah. When was this? A I don't remember. It was a long time ago. Q Was it a year ago? A It was a long time ago because -- Q More than a year? Less than a year? A It had to be in November or December. Q Of last year? A Yeah. Q Okay. A And it was after November. Q When you walked into the house? r I-Y-1FL,- ialliS411.S4 SQL. %gala .1 fil want... ...Fiat. 1 I I I iI i • EFTA01718122 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Uh-huh. • What school did you go to? A I went to Page 11 (inaudible). Q Okay. So you have your high school diploma? A Uh-huh. O Okay. You understand all these questions I'm asking you, right? A Uh-huh. Q Okay. Like I said, I know some of this stuff is hard to talk about but it's important because basically you're a potential victim here. A Uh-huh. O Okay? What kind of panties did you have? Was it a thong underwear or regular panties? A A thong. It was a thong. BY DETECTIVE Q Did he ever tell you to wear anything specific? A No. Actually I was just wearing jeans and a shirt. I mean I wasn't dressed in any certain way. BY DETECTIVE Q Okay: Did she — - egplaxn'to you -that yOU :May have to take off your clothe*. Ahd A She said I Ma4 have to and said if want to that 4001:thaye to; ••••••••••ae. ma Wan. altiehl int ttottialtiih tirtialtaisaltra.miat. • EFTA01718123 • • • • • • • • • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF I rt v.valaVIS OOPS. IA. • EFTA01718124 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT Page 3 1 raise your right hand fox me. Do You solemnly swear to tell 2 the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help 3 you God? 4 A I do. Q Okay. In your words, tell me exactly how you met 6 this gentleman in Palm Beach. 7 A My friends, well, not really friends. told me in class that she found a way of making money. You 9 can get money. And then she said that if I ever told 10 anybody she'd beat my ass and so I didn't even know what she 11 was talking about but I was like okay. $:iti. -411d' 12 hout!, a place whote*old .laysak6, ApOl*t.pasa46:hila far 13 45 tiftutet and get WO. Aild_s0 Picked 4* up-4tte:g. 14 work, We went down there... Ri4ht bekve tfficg4:t.ift the:Vs 15 she's like oh, 11 ;#4911t4$11( 1,,OltipliiWO take off YOlg 16 or Something But I .didnrt 41,4A' t matter so 17 okay. And I went ;1410 .hawse:: A lady escorted me up to 18 his room. Had a bed on it. 19 Q Okay. Let me back you up for a second. 20 A Uh-huh. 21 O You said this was right before Christmas. 22 Christmas of last year or the year before? 23 A Last year. 24 Q Last year. 25 A Uh-huh. I 1•14lital•ALI14.104•thoiimusW•AilitmornMinelisiOl aStaglISW 143irWiargahtettaftalma...U.14ule•Lnievionitisarita.l...144.14•1Glini41-41thinaaitawelsark•reanciettangOldigitaii • EFTA01718125 • • • • • • • • • Page IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERViS,W O' • • EFTA01718126 • • 0 • • • • • • • DRAFT Page 13 1 was working for him. A Yeah. Everybody knew that. Q IknOW that: 4 A po'i u5t.. was like T'f;dOn'iichoi4 5 waited tcX440 410i1 PY CO -Of . :/ ,Just W4Ated: te-VA? 4ith she kne1414ke. the s tuatio tdi 1 .404tWith 8 Q How far has gone with him? 9 A She really doesn't go into detail. I mean I know 10 she's gone farther than me but she doesn't really go into 11 detail about it. 12 Q Okay. Is there anything else that you'd like to 13 add to this statement? 14 A No. 15 DETECTIVE No. Okay. At this time 16 I'm going to go ahead and conclude the statement. 17 The time by my watch is 12:10. 18 (Thereupon, the interview ended.) 19 - 20 21 22 23 24 25 tacw.u.,...couvcrki—n.a..........tas.w.nhavi...th.r.wega.wianaiaistaa—.odit.azassilae....ta • "--,,-aattursaa.n.A... • EFTA01718127 • Page • • . • • • • • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF 4 IA *WM , . • ••••.• ••••A••••••••••••••••• •••••• • EFTA01718128 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 1.1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Page 3 information and we are conducting an investigation. We were here last night, spoke with your mom and dad. If you can just start from the beginning as to how you met him. A Okay. Q And how it came about. A I met him through my friend Okay. How long ago was that? A It was probably about almost a year ago. Q Okay. Okay. A And he -- I went there once with her and she gave him a massage and then she asked me if I wanted to do it and then I did it or whatever and then after that like he kind of scared me when I went there so I just decided not to go back. Q Okay. The first time you went with did you go upstairs with him? A No, I stayed down in the kitchen. 9 Okay PAINIEVOI:Ocl CM: 1".4 entailed a=s to whati'hacrtt“beldOnel '. A Well a0.044 the. fitsf time 264 ID 4V4 j-4st 34ke a massage and she said aik“e11). the .more you go stippeaedlif the tuore he like mexpeta'and starts q4Itik 4trifs and 23 that's what kind of like scared me. 24 Q Okay. I've interviewed other girls and they've 25 told me pretty much the same thing about the massage but %At. atiataatrog. Way' , • EFTA01718129 • • • • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 4 there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other people already who have told me what transpired in that room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... A Well, the first time I went there I did a massage and he was just asking me a lot of questions. He seemed like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept looking at me and he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he said well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. And he was like why are you like being shy and I was like oh, I don't know. And then he would like change the subject and he started talking about other things. "And. then 01,1enH e . _ . were done he like ..I back ah&titY. more the he WOulcrli.i.ke _ r60 'fhb& I WOUId'ii0le.tw talk to IIIII anti I 6;44. COftie, batk; Q Okay. What kind of questions did he ask you as you were massaging him? A He was asking about -- it was a year ago. I don't remember everything but... Q Right. A He was just asking me if I had any friends that • dciuseierab , s44••••, ..ww16.aniurgarasan.4wAn,n+Mmllm.i.1 3.1 yea-, .mertnimpilCs.I.J“....a.fl.S.4r-.C.SI • EFTA01718130 • • • • • • • • • • 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 5 might want to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then he asked me about what I wanted to do when I grew up and stuff like that and I asked him what he did and he said he was like a scientist basically. Q Okay. Did he ever ask you how old you were? A No. Q No. Did he know that you were 17? A .No, I don't think so. Q Well it would have been 16 if it was a year ago, right? A Well it like was almost a year ago. (Inaudible) 17. Q Okay. During the massage did you -- were you naked or A No. I had my clothes on. Q You had all your clothes on? A Uh-huh. Okay. Did he :touch .you h: anyway? A HS- Was like ki0d,..0flkke. .1,0atOrft.4:tWA±E4:it 'but I was like you could-tell I was shy 86 I think that's ,why he • didn't try. But. I board abOut othe,r giristhat he that he got flirtatiOuS with.theMand heMa04. them take qff:their. Clothes and stuff. Q Okay. What -- that was the first time you went, right? • EFTA01718131 • • • • • • • • • • 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DRAFT Page 8 Q Okay. Have you received any massage training? 2 A No. 3 Q No. I have to ask. 4 Was one of the two girls that was in the 5 kitchen with you? 6 A Yes. • Okay. Did you ever go back to his house? A Well, I just went there twice. • Right. A After that -- Q After that you've never come back? Never went back? How much did you receive for the massage? A Two hundred. Q You received 200. Okay. Did explain to you what was going to be involved? - — _ A She SaftittS'flitt time YoU go pretty . . much just giVe masSage; titt illbre.1Y0U40'therejike the more he expects.. . And thatug it: That scared me. Q That's what scared you? BY DETECTIVE Q Did . she :A07 cinalilablei Or Clid.ske.' tinfldlAg.e A Bay didn't have to Say it exactly but Ole implied Like, you known 1.1)ce::444PI,YQt:410tiie0.16,tf ari.ctkAtutf:Mi : • I • EFTA01718132 • • • • 0 • • • • • DRAFT Page 9 1 that. 2 BY DETECTIVE 3 Q Okay. So you didn't remove any of your clothing? 4 A No. Q What were you wearing? Can you remember? 6 A I don't know. It was a long time ago. I don't 7 remember exactly. 8 Q Okay. 9 A I don't want to tell you wrong. 10 Q I know. And I know you already told your mom what 11 happened. And like I said, I know this is hard for you 12 but... 13 A I was just scared. I just didn't want my name to 14 like -- 15 Q Don't worry. You're not the only person I've 16 talked to. Okay? There's a lot of people that I've talked 17 to and I'm going to talk to. 18 How did you get to his house? 19 A With 20 Q took you the first time and you sat 21. in the kitchen. 22 A Yeah. 23 Q What about the second time? 24 A The second time I drove and she came with me. 25 Because I didn't want to -- ..ö . ta.b.Jb.I.nl n -- I S EFTA01718133