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CASE AGENT:
07/19/2006
11:34 A.M.
RECORDER
DATE TYPED:
02/28/2007
PARTICIPANTS:
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(UI) - UNINTELLIGIBLE
(IA) - INAUDIBLE
(PH) - PHONETIC
(SC) - SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATIONS
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I'm gonna ask you to stand there for a second and raise your right hand. Do you
swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God?
Yes.
LB:
OK. Go ahead and have a seat. Ah, you're
Yes.
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Alright,
I'm gonna request that you do one thing while you're here. Not
really two. Tell the truth number one and number any questions you are asked
make sure you say yes or no. Not aha, aah, aah. 'Cause it doesn't come out real
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OK is good too.
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First introduce yourself, what's your name?.
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Yes.
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How old are you?
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When's your birthday?
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Where do you live?
Ah, in Loxahatchee.
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How long have you lived there?
Ah, probably about 15 years or so.
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Who do you live with?
My father and his girlfriend.
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Where do you go to High School?
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Are you still in High School.
No.
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Did you graduate?
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When did you do that?
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What grade were you in when you left High School?
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Do you know someone named
Yes.
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How did you know
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Ah, I met her through school and mutual Mends.
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in relation to you? You're same age, older, younger?
I believe she's about a year older than me, if not the same age.
Was she in school with you?
Yes.
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Was she a Senior when you were a Senior?
I think she was one grade ahead of me.
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OK. Alb what kind of relationship did you have with
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We were friends, you could say.
LB:
OK. You know somebody Jeffrey Epstein.
Yes.
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How did you go about meeting Jeffrey Epstein?
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introduced us.
LB:
Did she take you over there one day? Or did she talk to you about going there
before you went?
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She talked to me a little bit about it beforehand and then she went with me.
LB:
Lets talk about that conversation between you and
What was it about?
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She said that there was a man that lived in Palm Beach and that he was looking
for young girls to, really all she said beforehand was that it would be a massage.
LB:
OK. Did she describe to you, how you would have to dress to do the massage?
She said to dress very girly but that was really all that she said beforehand.
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Did she talk about how young he wanted the girls to be?
No.
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Did you ever talk about if you were asked your age what you would say?
No.
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When did you first go to Jeffrey Epstein's home?
Ahm, I'm really not sure.
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OK. Approximate time, w\ITre you in your Senior year of school or was it your
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Junior year of school?
My Junior year.
OK. So you would've been.... How old were you in your Senior year?
I, well
You turned 18 in your Senior year?
I turned 18 in my Senior year, Yes, so I was 16 and 17 in my Junior year.
During the-time that your went to Jeffrey Epstein's home, were you 16 or 17?
I believe 16 the first time.
And then your birthday is in
you turned 17 and then in
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17 when you go there?
Yes.
Ok. Tell us about the first time that you went there.
Ah, (clearing the throat)
I know this is difficult. They've heard other things so don't be embarrassed. They
just need you to be honest.
I came in and he asked me to take off my shirt and I gave him a back massage and
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that was more or less all that it was the first time.
OK, ah, did you take off your shirt when he asked you too?
Yes.
Is that the only item of clothing you took off that time?
Yes.
Did he give you money for giving him a back massage that first time?
Yes.
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How much?
$ 200.
Now , you said the first time, you think you were 16 after.that or you were 17?
I may have already been 17, I'm not so sure.
So, you may have been 17 even the first time.
Right.
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How did it come about that you went back to his house?
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asked me if it would be OK if I or if she gave them my phone number
and said Yes.
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How were you contacted about going back again?
Hmm, one of two girls that lived at the house would call me. One was=
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the other I can't remember her name.
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OK. And they would call your cell phone?
Yes.
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How many times do you think you went back to Jeffrey Epstein's' home?
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Maybe 10 or so.
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Do you recall telling the Detective, you thought maybe 15 times?
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Possibly, yeah. I'm really not....
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Numerous times?
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Oh, yeah.
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OK. The first time was just a massage and you got the $ 200.
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Yes.
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Did it progress to something other than just massaging him?
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Tell us about what it progressed to.
He asked me to
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Did you do that?
Yes. He asked me to touch him bur I said No.
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Did he make you do things you didn't want to do?
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No.
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Go ahead what else?
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On one occasion, the last time I went there, he
How old were you then?
It was the day before my 18th birthday.
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with him, where there any sexual acts either
performed on you, you performing on him or him performing on himself?
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He would touch himself.
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How would he do that?
What do you mean?
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What, what item, what part of his body was he touching?
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Was that a regular occurrence?
Yes.
And he never asked you to do more than that? Did you watch? Did he asked you
to watch? Or he just did it while you were massaging him?
He just did it. (Laugh)
When you were massaging him, did he say anything to you or make any
comments?
Polite conversation.
OK. What kind of things was he asking you?
Just about school and' hat I was going to do when I got older.
He knew you were in school?
Yes.
Did he know your age?
Yes.
Did you tell him that you were 17?
Yes.
OK. When did that occur?
Ah, the first time that I was there. I told him how old I was.
Did he have a problem with that?
He did not seem to.
OK. Let's o to the last time whether is 10 or 15 times. When you had, he
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How did that come about?
He told me to lay down 'cause he was going to crack my back, which he had done
before and he just sort of did it.
I know this is difficult. You don't want to be testifying about this, do you?
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No,-none at all.
Ah, how much money were you paid during the times that
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Hrnm, mmm. It started at $ 200 the first couple times and then it went to $ 300.
What about the final time, when there was
$ 300.
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Why did you stop doing there?
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Ah, well I didn't really want to go after that and they didn't call anymore after that,
so.
So it's a combination of both?
Yes.
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If they had called?
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Possibly but I doubt it.
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OK. Alt, did you receive anything other from Mr. Epstein than the cash
involved. I mean did he give you a car or do anything else?
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He gave me a digital camera and for my birthday he gave me a like a couple of
bras and panties.
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OK. And was that your 18th birthday?
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Yes.
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So you were still seeing him on your 18th birthday.
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It was the day....
Oh, the day before you said, right?
Yes.
OK. Ah, was anybody else resent during the massages you were giving to Mr.
Epstein or when
One time= was in the room.
Which time was that? What are activities were going on during the time that she
was in the room?
Ah, well, him and her-while
he asked me to watch.
When was that?
One of the last couple times.
Ah, how long did that go on?
Ah, it was an hour. I was there for an hour every time.
Were you ask to participate in anyway in the sexual exchange going on between
them?
Ah, he asked me to -but
nothing more than that.
And did you do that ?
Yes.
Ah, and did either of them touch you at all during that time?
No.
Just one second. You appear uncomfortable testifying here today. Yes?
Yes.
This morning when we first met, when you got here. What did you ask me?
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If there was any possible way, I could not testify.
Were you told you wouldn't have to testify?
That was my understanding. I expressed that I did not want to and I was told that
I would be contacted later on with more information on that and other subjects.
And were you ever contacted?
No.
So you got the Subpoena from me?
Yes.
Do you want Mr. Epstein to be charged with any crimes in relation to what went
on between he and you?
Honestly I don't really know.
OK. You expressed concerns about your father.
Yes.
Finding out about your activities. Does he Icnow\ what your were doing?
He has very minimal information.
And when did he get that information?
Two days ago when I got the Subpoena.
OK. So it's not something you've confided in him about.
No.
Ah, ah, did you want to testify at a trial?
No.
Do you know how much money, you probably got over all during this time?
No.
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Was your dad aware you were getting the money or were you hiding it from him?
I guess you can say I hid it from him because I did not make it a point for him to
know.
OK. You understand that you in effect were committing prostitution yourself?
Would she speak up please?
Can you speak up?
Yes.
Is that an activity you stopped?
Yes.
OK. I'm gonna ask at this point if the
OK? Do you need a minute?
I'm fine.
OK. Any questions for Miss
While I was aJunior in High School, No.
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It's the day before your 18th birthday?
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And you still say you would not testify against Mr. Epstein?
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Yes, mam.
You don not want to have intercourse with him?
No.
Did you ask him to stop?
No.
I'm not really. sure.
Do you think he took advantage of your youth?
Maybe but it was also stupid of me to put myself in that situation.
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Perhaps you are tsPyoung to be up against a man of that age who had more control
over you and what you knew.
Yes.
You feel it was wrong of him to take advantage of your youth.
Yes, I do.
And did he take away from your person, your being, your spirit?
Yes.
And would you testify against him for what he has done and the wrong he has
done?
No. Because I would like to put it behind me for the most part i was successful
until about two days ago.
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Yes, is that the reason that you don't want to testify more just because of personal
embarrassment?
Yes.
Yes, Sir.
Jeffrey knew or you said that you did tell him where only 17.
Yes, he was....
He was aware of that?
He was well aware of my age from the very beginning.
Yes, Mam.
If you had a daughter, would you want her to testify or tell you?
I don't really know.
Yes, Mam.
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Would it mean anything special to you if you could be the person that's strong
enough to stand up, put him away so he would never ever do this to somebody
else? Could you be strong enough to do that or want to do that?
I wish I could say that I could but I really don't think that I can.
Any other questions for Miss
Yes, Sir.
Ali, to pursue this idea about testifying, ah, would you do it, I mean, would you
testify if your were Subpoenaed and would you tell the truth?
If I do not have a choice whether or not to testify obviously I would have to. Yes,
I would tell the truth because I'm gonna have to do it, I might as well do it right.
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I think for your character, for your all well being ....
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OK. To testify would be the right thing to do and the legal the thing to do.
Is that a question, Sir? I need a question.
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Would you do it under those circumstances?
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Like I said if it was between testifying and going to jail, I would testify which is
why I'm here today.
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Thank you Miss
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