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NOTES OF QUOTES AND STATEMENTS FROM DEPOSITION TRANSCRIPTS OF IM. AND M. I. Deposition of a During her sworn deposition in her civil case against, Jeffrey Epstein, M. admitted that she never traveled any place with Jeffrey Epstein and never communicated with Jeffrey Epstein by computer. Q: Did you ever travel anyplace with Jeffrey Epstein? A: Nope * ** Q: Did you ever communicate with Jeffrey Epstein on the computer? A: No not that I recall. (MM By the admissions in her sworn testimony it is clear that M. was not persuaded by Jeffrey Epstein by Internet or telephone to engage in unlawful sexual activity with Jeffrey Epstein. M. was first brought to Jeffrey Epstein by who M. met in person. M. had no contact with Jeffrey Epstein prior to being brought to Jeffrey Epstein's house by . A: She brought me to Jeffrey's the first time. Q: How did you know this person? A: I was at a house and I am not exaeSvas at one of my friend's house. And I spent the night over there. And I guess was one of my friend's friend. And she asked me if l wanted to make $200. And at first I was very, very skeptical about it because of the wa she ex lained it to me. But then she convinced me into it. Q: So it was this person named that you say convinced you to go to Jeffrey Epstein the first time, is that - do I have your testimony correct on that? A: Yes, you do. Q: Jeffrey Epstein had no contact with you until M, whatever her last name is, brought you to his house; is that correct? A: That's correct. continued to take M. to Jeffrey Epstein's house for about a month's time. After that M. obtained Mr. Epstein's telephone number and called herself to make appointments. A: After a couple of months, we hung out and that's when I got Jeffrey's number. And I didn't, I did not no longer need her to take me to Jeffrey's. So we hung out a EFTA_R1_00008349 EFTA01733706 couple of times. We would talk about Jeffrey and how much money we were making from Jeffrey and that's that. Q: What do you mean you no longer needed her to get to Jeffrey's? A: I had Jeffrey's phone number, so I could call him, so he could send a taxi over, or he could send somebody from house to come pick me up to go to Jeffrey's. I didn't need her or one of her friends to drive me to eff, to Jeffrey's anymore. * * * Q: And this occurred when, that is, that never - stopped taking you there and you began to go over there on your own? A: Within a month. Q: During this period of time that you were going to see Mr. Epstein. Sometimes you called and asked his people at his house whether, you know, you could come work, did you not? A: Yeah because he told me to call if I had a girl. So, I would call and ask if he was available. As is confirmed by •'s deposition testimony (excerpted below) in none of the telephone calls was sexual conduct specifically discussed. Nor, given history could it be reasonably argued that the telephone was used to persuade to engage in any sexual conduct also testified under oath that she and her friend, M., worked as topless dancers at a strip club when was fourteen or fifteen years old: Q: Okay, when you tart .] was 14, at what club was she dancing? A: We both went to A: When we were, when we were 14, we went there like once or twice. Q: So, you went in there at age 14 with her? Were you 14 at the time? A: Yes. She might have been 15. I was maybe just turned 15. Q: What did you do [at A: I was an entertainer. We went there two times and - Q: Did you work there both times? A: Yes. Q: And then when you say you were entertainment, what did you do? A: I was a dancer. Q: Meaning you got up on stage, right? A: Yes. Q: Took your top off, right? A: Yes. Q: Did you do lap dances? 2 EFTA_R1_00008350 EFTA01733707 A: Q: A: (see Not at this particular club. You have done them at other clubs? Yes. M. also testified that she " robably" told Epstein that she was going to that strip club. (see ), providing corroboration for claims that Jeffrey believed she was of age. M. also admitted that she was a call girl/escort since at least the age of 15 (though remarks she made to Epstein, as witnessed by - See below - confirm that M. was engaged in prostitution before she met Epstein testified at her deposition: "Well, I lived life as a prostitute" see ), "1 am a prostitute when I make money" (see ), and "I was a call irl and I worked for myself.... From the age of 15 to the age of 21" (see a. In fact, admitted to making $1,000 a day or more from prostitution on "maybe" more than 20 occasions in one year alone: Q: You earlier said that in the year 2008, some days you made a thousand dollars a day, some days you made $2,000 a day. How many days out of the year would you say you made a thousand dollars a day or more a day in the year 2008? A: I don't know. . • Q: Was it more than ten? A: Maybe. Q: Was it more than 20? A: itrbe. i (see also admitted under oath to keeping a list of amounts she collected from her johns in "two or three" lined books that she kept for the years "06, 07, 08 and 09" (see includingi al . of "Psalms" that she obtained from a religious store (see M. attempted to lay blame on other things, her life as a prostitute. sworn deposition testimony from M. to Epstein's home, indicates that Epstein. In her dsaosition, Epstein's home, M. quoted to Epstein sexual favors that they perform. rm about some stuff that her mom and her that" (see of information" to Epstein: E stein during her I•c tion for, among . However, , the person who first brought was a prostitute before she ever met testified that on C's second visit to rites of M. and 's mother for various testified that was "telling [Epstein] did sexually for mone. some stuff like and that was "offering 3 EFTA_R1_00008351 EFTA01733708 A: That her and her mom have had, her mom does things and has prices for things. Something of that matter... Q: Sexual nature? A: Yeah. (see of Moreover, although M. claimed in her deposition that Jeffrey knew how old she was, M. also admitted about lying about her age to everyone she came across, including the strip clubs and prostitution businesses at which she worked beginning at age 14 and 15. Q: Earlier you said you worked for A: Yes. ** * A: I told them I was 19. Q: Okay. Did you provide them with any kind of proof? A: No. Q: And why did you lie to them and tell them you were 19 if you were really 15? A: Because I wouldn't be able to work there. Q: Did you tell other people that you were older than you really were? A: Yes. Q: Who else did you tell that you were older than you really were? A: Probably everybody I came across. Q: So, that would be many people. A: Yes. Q: All of the various adult entertainment places you worked at. The places, the topless bars you worked at, did you tell all of them you were older than you really were? A: The period of time when I worked at I told everyone I was 19. (See [Note, however, that immediately after gave that answer in her testimony she added (I presume to protect against these admissions) that "Jeffrey knew how old I was. And Jeffrey knew hold old every girl I brought there was, and he wanted young girls all the time."] Q: Well worked at a place called when you were 14, didn't you? A: . I told them I was 19 as well. Q: When you were how old, 14? A: Yes. (See ) 4 E FTA_R 1_00008352 EFTA01733709 11. Deposition of admited in her sworn deposition testimony that she never traveled with Jeffrey Epstein and never exchanged emails or text messages with Mr. Epstein. Q: Did you ever travel at any time with Mr. Epstein? A: No. Q: Did you ever email him at any time? A: No. *** Q: ... Would it be - it would be - did you ever have - exchange emails with Mr. Epstein at any time? A: No. Q: A: Q: A: No. (See Did you ever exchange text messages with Mr. Epstein at any time? No. Did you ever travel with Mr. Epstein in any fashion at any time? M. confirmed in her deposition that she was not persuaded by Mr. Epstein by telephone to en age in sexual activi •. confirmed in her deposition that fl first introduced M. to Mr.iutein. M. contacted Mr. Epstein by telephone to tell him that she was bringing M. Mr. Epstein told M. that he would send a driver and told M. where to meet the driver nothing else. Q: A: Q: A: (See Now, when you - when did you first go to Mr. Epstein's house? I believe it was sometime in August 2002. And iff took you? Yes. Q: What - what occurred during the conversation? What specifically was said? A: That we were going to meet him - we were going to meet whoever his drivers were at the shell gas station to pick us up. Q: Who initiated the call? A: She she called him and told him that she had a girl to bring to him. (See As is true for n, N. also admitted in her deposition to having contacted Jeffrey Epstein's home herself to ask to come to work for him. Q: Did you ever request or contact Mr. Epstein's home and ask to come over to work? A: Yes (See 5 EFTA_R1_00008353 EFTA01733710 M. testified to speaking with or Jeffrey Epstein on the phone, but as to all of those conversations, specifically testified that no specific discussion regarding sexual activity ever took place over the telephone. A: So he would - would ask me to call - see if I could come, and then I would call him back directly, ask to talk to Jeffrey. Jeffrey wouldjat on the hone, and I would confirm if I was coming or not. Yes, hi, Jeff, it's M. 7 No, M. Yeah, I'll be there at 3:00, I'll be there at 9:00p.m., I'll be there at 8:00, whenever the time was. Q: Is the extent of the conversations that you had with Mr. Epstein, at least when you would call back to confirm, it was hi, this is M., I'll be there at X time period? A: Pre much. (See I B Whatever was said during M.'s telephone calls, testified very clearly that at no time was the subject of sexual activity with or anyone else ever discussed with M. by telephone. 1. Would it be a correct statement that at no time did either Mr. Epstein or or ever say to you over the telephone, whether you called or they called you, that the massage would involve any sexual touching or any other form of sexual conduct? * * * A: No the never' col Sc; that over the phone. It was always face to face. (See M. admitted that every occasion that she went to Mr. Epstein's home was a "knowing and voluntary decision" See 118:5-19). M. admitted that Mr. E stein never threatened "No. He never said he was goin to hurt me" alcohol or encouraged use them. (See . Mr. E stein never ave . drugs or ). - See Evidence from •'s testimony indicates that Mr. Epstein had every reason to believe the M. was 18 years old. admited that she talked to Mr. Epstein about working at the Strip = called when she first started seein Mr. Epstein impliedly confirming to him that she was 18 (See 223:17-224:1). , which had a tattoo on her ankle with one of her professional names admits normally requires that a person be 18 to receive. (See . Moreover, M. admitted to going to night clubs from the time she was 14 years old and never ever being carded at the doors of the night clubs, indicating that she did not look underage from the time that she was 14 years old. (See I. In addition, M. was permitted to work at strip clubs without showing ID when she was 14 ears old also indicating that she appeared to be of age. (See . Evidence that M. lied about her age is found in 's sworn deposition testimony where she 6 EFTA_R1_00008354 EFTA01733711 admits that she lied to the owner of that she was 18, and lied on her applications to work at and that she was 18. (See 7 EFTA_R1_00008355 EFTA01733712