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From:
Richard Kahn
Sent:
Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:14 PM
To:
jeffrey E.
Subject:
Re: Larry G550 flight school with 8430 and GIV for Dave & Bill
ok
start with 182,600 or include Syn =ision and CPDLC as well for 218,600 cost please advise thanks
Richard =ahn
HBRK Associates Inc.
575 Lexington =venue 4th Floor
=.1%
On May 25, 2017, at 5:12 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote:
Pay
On Thu, May 25, =017 at 5:00 PM Richard Kahn
rote:
i was able to =egotiate an additional 2,000 discount on larry from 59,400 to 57,400 =nd an additional
1,900 discount for both dave and =ill hammond from 64,500 to 62,600 for a total discount of 5,800 or
total cost 182,600 provided we prepay =or all
unfortunately =nformation originally presented by Larry on 4/20/2017 was not accurate =see bottom of
attached email chain) as larry inferred that Syn Vision =,700 and CPDLC 7,300 were included in Flight Safety pricing
larry is eager to get dave and bill started on training and =ecuring slots
i am unaware if Simuflight includes =hese two additional costs and note that Simuflight is 40k for G550
=nitial yet recurrent for GIV is not clear (i have not spoken with =endor as larry is very firm on using flight safety)
larry mentions that flight safety is more rigourous and fails =eople however when i spoke with gregg he
said failing is rare and it =ould be hard to fail dave knowing he works on Larry's =eam
please advise if ok to proceed and with or =ithout extras as per pricing below or shall i call simulflight to
=btain an accurate picture of cost differential
thank=you
Larry V
6550 / B430 =57,400
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CPDLC. =nbsp;
$ 7,300
Syn =ision. $ 4,700
Total LV =nbsp;
$69,400
Dave Rodgers
G550 = GIV. $62,600
CPDLC.
=nbsp;$. 7,300
Syn Vision. $. =J00
Total
=nbsp;$74,600
Bill Hammond
G550 / GIV. =nbsp;$62,600
CPDLC.
$. =nbsp;7,300
Syn Vision. S. =nbsp;4,700
Total.
=74,600
Total without CPDLC and Syn Vision 182,600
Total with CPDLC and Syn Vision 218,600
Richard Kahn
HBRK Associates Inc.
575 Lexington Avenue 4th Floor
New York, =Y 10022
Begin forwarded message:
From: =/b>Larry
Subject: =/b>Re: G550
Date: =/b>May 25, 2017 at 11:13:49 AM EDT
To: =/b>Richard Kahn
Rich
Jeffrey asked me the difference between FSI FlightSaftey and =AE Simuflite training, since its a
$20k difference between =chools.
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FSI is a more Regimented and Harder to =ass a pilot with lower than average skills, FSI would not
offer a Type =ating class to Nadia due to her experience level. I've =een 3 pilots in my classes held back for more
training, I've trained =he past 10 years at FSI,. Dave attends CAE,. It's time for all of our =ilots to be test properly. It's the
difference between Harvard and a =ommunity collage.
Here is what i come up with total training, pls advise if =pproved?
Definitions:
CPDLC = Controller-Pilot =ata Link Communication.
Syn Vision = =ynthetic Vision.
HUD = Heads Up Display, =ncluded in G550 initial training.
EVS = =nhanced Vision System, Included in G550 initial training.
Larry V
6550 / B430 $57,400
CPDLC.
=nbsp;
$ 7,300
Syn Vision. =nbsp;$ 4,700
Total LV =nbsp;
$69,400
Dave Rodgers
G550 = GIV. $62,600
CPDLC.
=nbsp;$. 7,300
Syn Vision. $. =,700
Total
=nbsp;$74,600
Bill Hammond
G550 / GIV. =nbsp;$62,600
CPDLC.
$. =nbsp;7,300
Syn Vision. $. =nbsp;4,700
Total.
=74,600
Total training with =lightSaftey
$218,600
Thank you,
Larry
Sent from my iPad
On May 25, 2017, at =0:31 AM, Richard Kahn
<mailto:
wrote:
i did not see your response or may have =issed it..
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can you please be specific on =dditional training needed along with cost so i can present
to jee total =ost
thank you
Richard =ahn
HBRK Associates Inc.
575 Lexington =venue 4th Floor
New York, NY 10022
On May 25, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Larry Visoski
wrote:
Hi Rich,.
I thought I copied you on my response to Greg in reference to =nhanced
training„
Below is Greg's response and =educe pricing for
CODLC„
HUD and EVS included in initial„
See =elow email Trail
Thx
Larry
Sent from my iPhone
Begin =orwarded message:
From: Richard =ahn <
1
<mailto
Date: May 25, 2017 at 10:15:32 AM EDT
To: Larry Visoski
Subject: Re: G550
Yes but you never responded or communicated =f any ancillary courses are
needed.
Richard =ahn
HBRK =ssociates Inc.
575 =exington Avenue, 4th Floor
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New York, NY 10022
On =ay 25, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Larry Visoski
note:
Hi =ich,.
I'd like to get closure on G550 training and =ick class dates.
Are you satisfied with =reg's counter offer?
Thx
Larry
Sent from my iPhone
Begin =orwarded message:
From: =Williford, Greg" <
<mailt
ate: May 23, 2017 at 3:47:25 PM EDT
To: Larry Visoski
Cc: =ichard Kahn
<mailt
"McCann, =uzanne
<mailt
Subject: RE: G550
Hi Larry and Rich,
Here are your special rates for the =550 Ancillary courses, if needed:
&nb=p; EVS - $0 (covered in the G550 Initial)
&nb=p; HUD - $0 (covered in the G550 Initial)
&nb=p; Enhanced Navigation (CPDLC, WAAS, ADS-C) - $7,300 =ach
=ormally $9,500 under One Time or Two Event
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&nb=p; Gulfstream Synthetic Vision • $4,700 =ach
&nbs=;
=nbsp;
&n=sp;
Normally $7,500 under One Time =r Two Event
&nb=p; Gulfstream XM Aviation - =445
&nbs=;
=nbsp;
&n=sp;
&nbs=;
=nbsp; Normally $555 under One Time or Two Event
Please advise on which of the above =ou'll need based upon your particular
serial number and also =hich account you'd like the training to be on.
All the best,
Greg
Greg Williford
Regional Sales Director
flightSafety International
From: Larry Visoski [mailto
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 20
To: Williford, Greg
Cc: =ichard Kahn; McCann, Suzanne
Subject: =e: G550
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Ok pls include Special pricing for =VS/HUD and CODLC training for Mr Kahn to
approve
Thx
Larry
Sent from my iPhone
On Ma 23, 2017 at 11:40 =M Williford, Greg
=rote:
Hi Larry,
Full Service covers a few of the =E2 nice to know" enrichments like cold
weather ops, TAWS, =FIT, etc. and Full Service also gives discounts for many of the =ncillary courses. However, the Two
Event program is not Full =ervice and covers two specific events per pilot. That said, with =he commitment you and Rich
are making to FlightSafety for all three =ilots, we may be able to provide the Full Service rates for the =ncillary courses
like Enhanced Nav and Synthetic Vision, etc. =/span>
Attached are fact sheets on Enhanced =av, Synthetic Vision, XM Aviation
Weather and CPDLC eLearning. =et me know if you wish to take any of these or other ancillary courses =nd I can include
your special prices in the Agreement.
I'm available by phone
if you'd like to discus.
All the best,
Greg
From: Larry Visoski [mailt
Sent: Tuesday, May =3, 2
To: Williford, Greg
Cc: Richard Kahn; McCann, Suzanne
Subject: Re: G550
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Thx Greg„
Yes we =ave HUD and EVS„
Also need advanced Navigation course =or CPDLC as well„ is this done on Line
or in Classroom format?
On May 23, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Williford, Greg
rote:
Hi Mr. Richard,
Great to speak with you again yesterday and thank you for =his opportunity to be of
service.
close to meeting your requests:
Larry at $57,400 each
2.
We are able to offer you G550 Initial with Gulfstream G•IV =ecurrent within 14
months for your other two pilots at $62,600 =ach
3.
We will prepare a contract for all three pilots for your =ignature. Upon signing, we
will create invoices for each pilot =nd ask that the three invoices be prepaid ($182,600 total) before the =irst training
session for the first pilot on the =chedule.
I have discussed your counter proposal with our team and =e are able to come very
1.
We are able to offer you a G550 Initial with Bell 430 =ecurrent within 14 months for
Our G550 Initial course covers HUD and EVS. Please =dvise if the unit you have
purchased has Enhanced Navigation, Synthetic =ision and/or XM Weather and we can get you pricing for those =ourses.
Lastly, we have at least three different accounts set up =or your current airplanes and
will need to consolidate the training for =11 three pilots onto one. When you are ready to move forward, =lease advise
which account will be best for the scheduling, contract =nd billing and we will send you the Agreement for Training
under that =ccount to cover your special rates.
truly appreciate your =usiness.
Please let me know if you have questions and if I can be =f assistance in any way. We
All the best,
Greg
Greg Williford
Regional Sales Director
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Begin forwarded =essage:
From: "Williford, Greg"
Subject: RE: G550
Date: May 22, 2017 at 8:08:28 AM EDT
To: Richard Kahn
Hi Richard,
I was on vacation Thursday and Friday....sorry I =issed your calls
'
'
'n the office
today and =ooking forward to speaking with you. Please call me =henever convenient a
or let me know a
good time to reach =ut to you.
All the best,
Greg
Greg Williford
Regional Sales Director
FlightSafety International
From: Richard Kahn [mailtc
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Williford, Greg
Subject: Re: G550
i just called your office and cell
can you please call me on my cell when you have time so we =an hopefully move forward
together
thank you
Richard Kahn
HBRK Associates Inc.
575 Lexington Avenue, 4th Floor
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New York, NY 10022
<mat
of the week
pilot
$62,000 each =ilot
On May 18, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Richard Kahn
wrote:
good morning
happy to hear that you and larry have again been in =ouch
i =m meeting with our principal today as he wants to make a decision on =his by the end
can you please review your pricing and agree to =ove forward as follows:
Gulfstream G550 Initial with Bell 430 Recurrent within 14 =onths - $57,500 each
Gulfstream G550 =nitial with Gulfstream G-IV Recurrent within 14 months -
discount requested 1500 + 2500 + 2500 = 6,900 =r 3.66% of 188,400 total cost
i =trongly believe we can make this happen with above prices
please advise
thank you
Richard Kahn
HBRK Associates =nc.
575 Lexington Avenue 4th Floor
New =ork, NY 10022
Begin forwarded message:
From: Larry Visoski O>
Subject: Fwd: G550
Date: May 15,
To: Rich Kahn
a vacation <[email protected]>
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From FlightSaftey
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Williford, Greg"
Date: May 15, 2017 at 8: :
+
To: Larry Visoski
Cc: "McClendon Wood
"Martinez,
Melanie" =1
"Parrish, =incent"
Subject: RE: =550
Hi Larry,
Great to hear that =he G550 deal came through. We look forward to being of
service =or all your training needs.
As you know, =e have several pricing options, including the Two Event/13
Month =ontract (2 sessions per pilot within 14 months). The Two Event =rogram offers additional discounts off the One
Time pricing by =repaying the two events at the start of the contract period. We =an "mix" aircraft types under the Two
Event pricing option as long as =he training and contract is all with one account.
=59,400 each pilot
$64,500 each pilot
way.
Listed below are your prices for 2017:
TWO EVENT
=nbsp;Gulfstream GSSO Initial with Bell 430 Recurrent within 14 months -
Gulfstream G550 Initial =ith Gulfstream G-IV Recurrent within 14 months -
Please let me know if you have questions and =f we can be of service in any
All the =est,
Greg
Greg Williford
Regional Sales Director
Eli htSafe =nternational
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Original Message
From: Larry Visoski =mail
Sent: Sunday, =ay 14, 2017 3:55 PM
To: Williford, Greg; McClendon, =oody; Parrish, Vincent; Martinez, Melanie
Subject: =550
Hello Greg„
I =ave 2 pilots that require;
G550 initial training,
And GIV Reccurent„
Can you price this for =e?
I need G550 Initial plus Bell 430 =ecurrent myself„ Can you present a full
package to sign with Flight =aftey with above Request?
Thx
Larry Visoski
Plan D, LLC G550
Jege LLc GIV
Hyperion Air, LLc Bell 430
Sent =rom my iPhone
Rich
Yes Dave, Bill and I have completed =raining in GIV in past 12 months,. Greg Williford is with
Flight =aftey, he didn't realize I trained with simuflite this past =ear
My plan =as to send Dave Rodgers to Flight Saftey for G550 =nitial,
I was planning to send Bill =ammond and myself to simuflight,. For cost savings„
I told Jeffrey that Flight Saftey has a more thorough flight =raining program that Dave would
benefit from,. Plus not everyone passes =he course at FlightSafety much more stringent,.
If =e want to save $20,000 per person in training cost we all could attend =imuflite if you like?
Larry
Simuflite CAE GIV recurrent =raining March 2017,. Due GIV in March 2018.
Dave =odgers
Simuflite CAE trained Aug 2016,. Is =ue for recurrent Aug 2017.,
William Hammond
Trained FlightSatfey
July 2016,. =s due for ReCurrent July 2017.,
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Sent from my =Phone
On A r 25 2017, at =1:41 AM, Richard Kahn
<mailto
wrote:
ok
larry can you please provide last GIV =raining dates (dave, bill and yourself) as i believe i
was told by greg =ilford of flight safety that we may have to do separate training for =IV if GV not done either within 12
months or 1 month =hereafter..
i just informed jee of this but did =ot have dates and need to verify timing
Richard =ahn
HBRK Associates Inc.
575 Lexington =venue 4th Floor
New York, NY 10022
On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:50 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote:
i think it best that we wait, until =loser to the itme the plane is ready from erics
i =ont want dave or larry to have 4 months between training and =lying
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Larry =isoski
<mailtollavrote:
Rich
CAE Simuflite offered G550 initial at $40k each,.
Here is Contract info;
Brian Laird - CAE
Thx
Larry
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 24, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Richard Kahn =lt;
<mailt
vrote:
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then again to 77,500
initial and recurrent
cmaawrote:
just=spoke with greg and he said you negotiated the best deal possible
list for initial and recurrent is 121,000 which he then =educed to 91,000 and
unfortunately after 2 phone calls and almost 2 hours on the =hone no such luck
can you please send me simuflight contact info as well as =hey are at 65,750 for
thanks
Richard Kahn
HBRK =ssociates Inc.
575 Lexington Avenue 4th Floor
New York. NY 10022
On Apr 21, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Larry Visoski =1
For Sure,. =efinitely worth a try;
Try this person =irst,.
Flight Saftey sales =ep;
Gulfstream Sales =raining
Greg Wilford
Woody McClendon is my =ell 430 Heli sales rep„ and close acquaintances„ nice
guy„ he =nderstands negotiations and helps me out,.
discuss game plan. Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 21, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Richard Kahn
wrote:
lee wants me to give negotiating a shot. Please send me =ontact info and call to
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Richard Kahn
HBRK Associates Inc.
575 Lexington Avenue, 4th Floor
New York, NY 10022
Begin forwarded message:
From: "jeffrey E." <[email protected]>
Date: April 20, 2017 at 6:44:37 PM EDT
To: Richard Kahn
Subject: Fwd: G550 training Dave May =st
make a deal =or three pilots. all recuurent with recurrent 430 for =arry
.zo
From: Larry
Date: Thu, Apr 20, =017 at 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: G550 training Dave May 1st
To: "jeffrey E." <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]»
All prices quoted from Simuflight or Flight Safety is =onsidering 3 pilots for G550
initial class.
Simuflite Price is $40k for G550 Initial =lass,.
Following year, re-Current training is =25,750
Bell 430 item,
This was Flight Saftey quote for me, which =ncluded the Bell 430 re-current and
G550 initial, price is $59,400 =hich is 550 initial and Bell 430 recurrent,. I would need a G550 =ecurrent the next year,
which is an additional $25k.,
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 20, 2017, at 5:44 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote:
it says bell 430? how much was simuflite =nd what is the price for 3 people
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On Thu, =pr 20, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Larry Visoski
wrote:
Jeffrey
"Flight Saftey" in =alias has start date May 1st G550 initial class. Ends May 23rd,
which =ncludes Check Ride, Advance Navigation course w/CPDLC, and Synthetic =ision class that includes Sim time using
HUD "Heads Up Display" and EVS =Enhanced Vision System" ops in the Simulator.
Single time event is $62,100 for Initial.
Dual =vent which covers 24 month is $77,500
After Initial =raining, the following year Recurrent G550 training is $25,700
Option
1-Do you want Dave to do single event Initial for $62,100
Or
2- the =wo year program which is G550 Initial and includes Next years Recurrent
=raining total $77,500
Option 1 or 2 =
Thx
Larry
Hi Larry,
Congrats on the pending purchase on the G550 and thanks for =our email.
We'd like to amend the proposal =e sent to you on February 3rd with the
following special Two Event =rices for 2017:
TWO EVENT =GREEMENT
Gulfstream G550 Initial with G550 =ecurrent for the same pilot within 13
months - $77,500 each pilot
Gulfstream G550 Initial with Bell 430 Recurrent =or the same pilot within 13
months - $59,400 each pilot
As discussed, we don't offer G-V with G550 differences and =nly offer G550
training in our 6550 sims due to safety concerns based =n discussions with GAC, our customer advisory boards and
=ustomers. The prices above will cover the "type specific" G550 =nd Bell 430 training.
Please let me and/or =oody know if you have any questions. We look forward
to being of =ervice.
All the best,
Greg
Sent from my iPad
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