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From: Noam Chomsky Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 2:18 AM To: jeffrey E. Cc: Valeria Chomsky Subject: Re: My fault for being too aggressive. I =hould have been more sensitive to the situation. Interesting =mage, but (as you know), I think the specific character of cognitive (like=physical) growth requires more specific mechanisms. There hav= incidentally be studies of "motherese" (the kinds of talk used =y mothers to babies) and the impact on development of language. Turn= out to be very slight, if any. Lila Gleitman, co-author of the work=on blind children that I mentioned, is one of the leading researchers on t=e topic. On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:34 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: yes- more of the story sitting in the Caribbean I hope. =C24kIts possible that the dna writes a score. the mus=c is played on both the internal instrument and modifiied by external experience . I believe a pleasant harmony might =epresent the voice of the mother. to in inhibit excitation ( basic p=tterns , like lullabys, use humming where disson=nce might represent an alarm or something to stimulate =o the adrenals. baby crying , dissonance animals dissonance, =C240- family members harmony, . could it be .=A0that the humming of m ( lullaby ) and the exhalation of ah. =C240would combine in an effort to mimic the internal harmony, 4>=A0 producing mah. or mom. ? . how is it that 45k=A0 the melody of"pop goes the weasel." has a simple g=ammar but a child can tell immediately if a "non grammatical &q=ot; note is played. adults can also tell instantaneously in a =ozart symphony of thousands upon thousands of notes. that a clunker=made it way in ( okok, maybe you cant ) due=to the intra relation of the notes. =div> FYI. thank you for being patient with the boy who =orgot to take his asperger meds/ ( =rue). . On Sun, Jul 10, 201= at 8:08 PM, Noam Chomsky <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» wrote: W=at is better for thought than echt Jewish delicatessen food. Glatt k=sher, I hope. Very interesting experiment. It might tel= us a lot about musical genres and their underlying structure, and the cog=itive capacities that organize thought, creativity, and experience in thes= apparently human-specific ways. On blind children, you might=want to look at the fascinating study by Landau and Gleitman on the langua=e of the blind: Language and Experience: evidence from blind children</=> (or something like that). What is striking is that without visual =xperience, the blind learn language virtually in parallel with sighted chi=dren, with the EFTA_R1_01368454 EFTA02368984 same changes that plainly have to do with maturation and th= very specific internal concepts of human cognition, leading finally to un=erstanding of extremely refined visual concepts, all with only minimal exp=rience that can't be directing these developments any more than the nu=rition of the embryo, while obviously necessary for development, can deter=ine that we have a mammalian rather than visual system. There are al=o some quite intriguing differences. E.g., at the age when sighted c=ildren acquire the words/concepts see, look at, etc., blind childre= also do, but necessarily give a tactile rather than visual interpretation= So for the blind child, to look at something is to touch it, and to=see it is to grasp what it is. The child is therefore surprised to f=nd that its mother cannot see the back of the dolls they are holding, sinc= the child can. Lots of results like these. What is par=icularly striking, however, is how similar the cognitive growth is to norm=l physical growth, of course elicited by experience but then substantially=following its internally determined path. The widely-held belief tha= cognitive development is somehow different from the rest of biology in th=t it is experience-determined is, I think, a residue of traditional dualis= -- a kind of "methodological dualism," which is, I think, more =ernicious than traditional metaphysical dualism, which, in fact, was quite=serious and reasonable science at the time. Long story. Noam On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Jeffrey E. <[email protected]=> wrote: =appy to provide some carnegie deli sustenance for thought. 4)=A0 today I conducted an experiment encourage= by Noam's wholly justified aggressive and detailed directives t= joscha.. joshcha focused on =ayers being developed in the brain . the timing for the development =f each layer being different per species . I postulate that music might be a frosted window into that structure. symphonies begin with their first "=layer " a theme. in fact, there might be more than one theme in the first layer ,Q=A0 , the second part of symphonic form is the complex development stage= where those themes are inverted, deconstructed , reconstructed =tc ,and the development stage takes the most time . in =the conclusion of the symphonic form the recapitulation of all that has come b=fore it forms a " phenenoma of the piece " a whole ,made up of its smaller concepts . =C24> As opposed to listening to music to record which neuron is firing, as mo=t musciolgists attempt . I propose that the music may be the audible result =f those neurons firing, made possible by a select few who would attempt=20 to notate those neuronal firings. Beethoven f=r example. The experiment . I mashed all o= the four symphonies together , playing recording= of the 3rd 5th 6th 7th all overlayed on each other, playing at the same time. - the way a brain mig=t develop. I expected an ordered noise but to the surprising cont=ary , IT WAS AMAZING. . you can hear new4,=A0 "concepts " forming, it wonder whether in the mind of a blind child , the "=music" would be created even without the visual ref=rencial. but created none the less. later when the visual c=n be tied to concepts , the anatomy may be hijacked to produce sounds . that someh=w relate to the concepts. . 2 EFTA_R1_01368455 EFTA02368985 I tried to mix mu=ic from different cultures- it didn't work. African =oes not work with western europe,- chinese works with neither of the other two. but within the same cultu=al music ( the brain of the local species ) the mash ups are=20 beautiful. I would note=20 that computers engage in "parallel processing" only in orde= to take a hard problem and break it into its component parts , working on each component separately, here each problem Interacts =and the their resolutions interact in remarkable ways. Q=A0 please note The information=contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client=privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for=br>the use of the addressee. It is the property of JEE =nauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any par= thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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