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From: Noam Chomsky Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 2:40 PM To: jeffrey E. Cc: Valeria Chomsky Subject: Re: Well, equivalent is too strong, but similar in fundam=ntal ways: like all biological processes, genetic factors and general phys=cal laws lead to fairly specific outcomes, with experience triggering and =n a limited way guiding the process. So it seems. On Sun, Jul 10, 201= at 10:24 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» wrote:=br> equivalent to walking?<=r> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Noam Chom=ky > wrote: My fault for being too aggressive.=C2* I should have been more sensitive to the situation. Int=resting image, but (as you know), I think the specific character of cognit=ve (like physical) growth requires more specific mechanisms. =here have incidentally be studies of "motherese" (the kinds of t=lk used by mothers to babies) and the impact on development of language.=C2* Turns out to be very slight, if any. Lila Gleitman, co-author =f the work on blind children that I mentioned, is one of the leading resea=chers on the topic. =div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:34 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected] <[email protected]» wrote: yes- more of the story sitting in the Caribbean I hop=. Its possible that the dna writes a score. 4,=A0 the music is played on both the internal instrument and mod=fiied by external experience . I believe a pleasant har=ony might represent the voice of the mother. to in inhibit excitation 40=A0( basic patterns , like lullabys, use humming =here dissonance might represent an alarm or something t= stimulate to the adrenals. baby crying , dissonance animals =issonance, - family members harmony, . coul= it be that the humming of m ( lullaby ) and the exhalat=on of ah. would combine in an effort to mimic the internal har=ony, producing mah. or mom. ? . how is it=that the melody of"pop goes the weasel." has a=simple grammar but a child can tell immediately if a "non gramm=tical " note is played. adults can also tell instantaneously =C24,in a Mozart symphony of thousands upon EFTA_R1_01561716 EFTA02457710 thousands of notes. tha= a clunker made it way in ( okok, maybe you=cant ) due to the intra relation of the notes. =C24> FYI. thank you for being patient with =he boy who forgot to take his asperger meds/ 4>=A0 true). . On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Noam=Chomsk <a> > wrote: What is better for =hought than echt Jewish delicatessen food. Glatt kosher, I hope. =br> Very interesting experiment. It might tell us a lot about m=sical genres and their underlying structure, and the cognitive capacities =hat organize thought, creativity, and experience in these apparently human=specific ways. On blind children, you might want to look at t=e fascinating study by Landau and Gleitman on the language of the blind: <=>Language and Experience: evidence from blind children (or something l=ke that). What is striking is that without visual experience, the bl=nd learn language virtually in parallel with sighted children, with the sa=e changes that plainly have to do with maturation and the very specific in=ernal concepts of human cognition, leading finally to understanding of ext=emely refined visual concepts, all with only minimal experience that can&t$=9;t be directing these developments any more than the nutrition of the emb=yo, while obviously necessary for development, can determine that we have = mammalian rather than visual system. There are also some quite intr=guing differences. E.g., at the age when sighted children acquire th= words/concepts see, look at, etc., blind children also do, but nec=ssarily give a tactile rather than visual interpretation. So for the=blind child, to look at something is to touch it, and to see it is to gras= what it is. The child is therefore surprised to find that its mothe= cannot see the back of the dolls they are holding, since the child can.=C24> Lots of results like these. What is particularly striki=g, however, is how similar the cognitive growth is to normal physical grow=h, of course elicited by experience but then substantially following its i=ternally determined path. The widely-held belief that cognitive deve=opment is somehow different from the rest of biology in that it is experie=ce- determined is, I think, a residue of traditional dualism -- a kind of &=uot;methodological dualism," which is, I think, more pernicious than =raditional metaphysical dualism, which, in fact, was quite serious and rea=onable science at the time. Long story. Noam =/div> On Sun, Jul=10, 2016 at 8:46 AM, jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]»=wrote: happy to provide=some carnegie deli sustenance for thought. <=r> today I conducted an experiment encouraged by Noam's=C2* wholly justified aggressive and detailed directives to joscha<=span>.. joshcha focused on layers being de=eloped in the brain . the timing for the development of each layer=C2* being different per species . 2 EFTA_R1_01561717 EFTA02457711 I postulate that music might be a frosted window into that structure. symphonies begin with their first "=layer " a theme. in fact , there might be more than one theme in the first layer ,4>=A0 , the second part of symphonic form is the complex development stage= where those themes are inverted, deconstructed , reconstructed =tc ,and the development stage takes the most time . in =the conclusion of the symphonic form the recapitulation of all that has come b=fore it forms a " phenenoma of the piece " a whole ,made up of its smaller concepts . =C24> As opposed to listening to music to record which neuron is firing, as mo=t musciolgists attempt . I propose that the music may be the audible result =f those neurons firing, made possible by a select few who would attempt=20 to notate those neuronal firings. Beethoven f=r example. The experiment . I mashed all o= the four symphonies together , playing recording= of the 3rd 5th 6th 7th all overlayed on each other, playing at the same time. - the way a brain mig=t develop. I expected an ordered noise but to the surprising cont=ary, , IT WAS AMAZING. . you can hear newi0=A0 "concepts " forming, it wonder whether in the mind of a blind child , the "=music" would be created even without the visual ref=rencial. but created none the less. later when the visual c=n be tied to concepts , the anatomy may be hijacked to produce sounds . that someh=w relate to the concepts. . I tried to mix mu=ic from different cultures- it didn't work. African =oes not work with western europe,- chinese works with neither of the other two. but within the same cultu=al music ( the brain of the local species ► the mash ups are=20 beautiful. I would note=20 that computers engage in "parallel processing" only in order to take a hard problem and break it into its component parts , working on each component separately, here each problem Interacts =and the their resolutions interact in remarkable ways. 44 1/40 please note The information=contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client=privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for=br>the use of the addressee. It is the property of JEE =nauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any par= thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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