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From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 2:02 PM To: Noam Chomsky Subject: Re: Re: you can recognize valerias face in a crowd, and know its=her voice immediately on the phone. I'm not sure if analysis as =pposed to shape recognition ( distance time function) for the face a=d fourier=transform for voice. is rightly considered analysis and parsing. I don'=t think so on another note ,using your right eye and then your=left try to focus for a moment on Valeria's right eye and=then focus on her left.while you are talking to her, . see if=you get different info. the expression "the eyes are the =indows of the soul ", might be wrong, it might only be one eye,.) On Su=, Aug 2, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Noam Chomsky Ma> wrot=: The idea of interpreting sensory syst=ms as involving both input and output, and hence presumably accessing a ce=tral system of competence (as distinct from the input-output performance systems) is a very interesting one, particularly =he hints about eyes. I don't see quite how it works, but wor=h pursuing and thinking about. Very few people I can think of, but w=ll think more. What sensory systems provide to the b=ain is always interpreted by internal systems, memory included, and the se=sory systems themselves carry out analysis. There's a good deal of detailed work on this, mainly for sound and=vision. Turns out, for example, that chimp auditory system yields so=ething very close to the physical features that enter into the phonologica= systems of human language, but lacking the internal interpretation, for the apes it's noise while for the new=orn infant it's language. From: jeffrey E. [mailto:[email protected]) Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 7:33 PM To: Noam Chomsky < & Subject: Re: Re: is a first step to get a group together of people th=t might add useful insights. . people you respect . though you=might disagree. maybe we pose the question to the group. =C2 re eyes, it seems that each sense should have both a tra=smitter and receiver, . scent. smell., hearing voice. , touch mo=ement, sight -? , I think the eyes transmit info. =C2 my work on placebo showed video did not work, no explanation, =C2 interrogators. use eyes to gauge truthfulness. ( But these are all c=gnitive interpretations of the (internal) output of the visual system. , -- not su=e what input is not- a cognitive interpretation.? why I like t=e music work is that our brain must first deconstruct the chords. Fo=rier transform , or something like, it. then have a memory to know whether the next two or three notes follow grammatic=lly from the past few. EFTA_R1_01614996 EFTA02492331 On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Noam Chomsky c w=ote: Been on the road all day from the Cap= to Cambridge. Along with every other car in Mass. Glad you liked the paper. Since=Leonard Bernstein's Charles Eliot Norton lectures at Harvard about 40 years ago there has been interesting work seeking structural similariti=s between language and at least some musical traditions, mostly western to=al. You might want to have a look. One of those doing the best=work is my colleague David Pesetsky, a fine linguist and excellent musician. You're right that "re=ding the eyes" is a complex and fascinating topic, even extrapolat=ng gaze, the way infants do but probably not other animals. And famously, staring=into someone's eyes is far from neutral: either serious threat or =eal intimacy. But these are all cognitive interpretations of the (in=ernal) output of the visual system. It could be argued that the computati=ns involved in determining what we see are a central system, not just part of a processing system. Hard to see how to pose that a= a real empirical issue that can be tested. From: Jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmailcoml Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 9:18 AM To: Noam Chomsky <d Subject: Re: Re: " processing" -my use of sloppy language=C2 , sorry, thanks for the great paper. =C2 music and its" understanding" , might be a clo=er representation to expressing a formalism that might help describe the events. it is not an either=, or, it is a superposition of melody, prosody, harmony, within cer=ain bounds that differentiate it from noise. fyi, in the paper it says the vis=on system is only input, .not sure that is corrrect. reading t=e eyes might have more to it than previously thought. On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Noam Chomsky There is a view that language is esse=tially a processing system. The arguments against it seem to me very power. I'll attach a recent paper about it, a =ontribution to a volume of essays dedicated to Jerry Fodor and focusing on=his conception of language as processing (input modules). His =ersion is far more sophisticated than the signal processing approaches that were all the rage in the 1950s, drawing from the successes=of wartime technology in signal analysis and Shannon's information=theory. 2 EFTA_R1_01614997 EFTA02492332 Noam From: jeffrey E. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 7:34 AM To: Noam Chomsky < > Subject: Re: Re: can it be thought of as no more than signal processi=g. why not use the same technology that attempts to intercept commun=cations and decode the signals and apply it to language. =C2 normally one tries to process the signals. i wonder if they put it i= reverse. and processed the language in an attempt to find coherence=??? On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Noam Chomsky <mailto: > =rote: There is a notion of coherence in bot= cases, but how to unify them, or whether it's possible, I don =80 t really see. From: jeffrey E. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 1:33 PM To: Noam Chomsky <IMINION IMMIEMEM Subject: Re: what i have been calling my sense making module. .=C2 visual sense, is the image coherent. / ? =AO why dont you ask your young friends what they think the cho=sky questions should be. I will provide the reward On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Noam Chomsky < > =rote: Marr's group, as you know, st=died edges, rigidity, etc. Those particular phenomena don't =eem relevant to language, except indirectly (as Marr and I in fact discussed often): th=re must be built-in systems that enter into language processing (including=determining grammatical status -- "legitimacy" =80 one property among many). That's what work on UG shoul= be about. 3 EFTA_R1_01614998 EFTA02492333 Noam From: jeffrey E. [mailto:[email protected] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 12:59 PM •E To: Noam Chomsky <.' ' Subject: I hope you have fun at the institute. I =m in santa fe. . you and i have discussed vi=ion and edges etc rigidity etc. auto focus on a ca=era looks for the most contrast . is there an equivalent . first step to intuit whether = sentence is legitimate ? please no=e The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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