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From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:05 PM To: Misha Gromov Subject: Re: you are confusing the input and the meaning. =C240 the shape of obect 0 or 0' is not defined by the si=ilarity of visual input, On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Misha Gromov mailtoMM > wrote: A difference between direct perception in hearing and vision is thati6k=A0 similarity between objects 0 and 0' is defi=ed by "morphology" i.e by the internal arrangement of sub-units =n 0 and 0' In language similarity between words e.g. cow and ox c=n not be recovered this way On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 15:52:31 -0500, jeffrey E. wrote: no need to know. it works. it takes input and =akes a coherent story. ( image ). it is bounded by frequency. = so is sound . why shoudnt the same al=orithm (used loosely ), form concepts into understandings. l>=A0 . not sure if the idea is bad or merely my explantion of it=/div> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Misha Gromov <mailto =>> wrote: </=pan> I am not certain we know the much about the higher level vis=on processing in the brain, but this is where the processing of the language begins On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 15:46:30 -0500, jeffrey E. wrote: EFTA_R1_01717310 EFTA02557930 i dont think many algorithms should be part of the brain...CZ* I believe that turning input into a coherent shape is si=ilar in vision hearing and thought. 40=A0 we know more about vision. edges verticals horiz etc. =C24r why not the same for concepts. ideas.. the image = see must be decoded into a whole . the concepts i imagine need the =ame program. first black and white, shapes , =etc. for vision. as the feedback loop develops..=A0 things come into focus. . same with thoughts.=C240 . I am still perplexed by how little control we ha=e over the thing we call " I " / i= does most things , it wants , it reacts without "I " inpu=. the signal for repair is not under control =C24o , cuts breaks stings. all done by the magici=n with no way to override it. On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Misha Gromov <rnailto wrote: </=pan> / = » Probably, I have o think more, but once you start thinking a=out how you think you never accept what everybody else think about how you=think. On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:50:01 -0500, Jeffrey E. wrote: see, ? perceive? understand? illusion? a=l but i like the recursive shape space more and more. with clo=er iterations to what it means to understand. . my model=is comprised of a set function that after recursion comes closer to cohere=ce . but also depends on the subects algorithm. its very nice.=/div> <mailto wrote: <mailtc wrote: On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Misha Gromov </=pan> And there is a secret what you see with both eyes open a» On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:29:40 -0500, Jeffrey E. wrote: and stops only one tongue On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Misha Gromov • </=>> </=pan> political correctness blinds only one eye 2 EFTA_R1_01717311 EFTA02557931 On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:23:17 -0500, Jeffrey E. wrote: I think he is great friends of Ariely. =C240 both politcally correct. so their work is blather. =C24> they do not explore gender race. age in their statistic usualy=so garbage in garbge out . <mailto wrote: you know him? 1000 drugs to 15 000 mice, <manta: wrote: On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Misha Gromov:/=» </=pan> BTHW, I am going tonight to Princeton for a lecture by Mariano Sigman --=do also I will will meet a Russian/American biologist-pharmacologists=who's fed On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:08:31 -0500, Jeffrey E. wrote: it doesnt. it only does in one dimension=br> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Misha Gromov /=» </=pan> I am not certain that "well ordering" fits here On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 08:57:22 -0500, Jeffrey E. wrote: to say I understand something the contexts are=the dimensions and the recursive process allows you to get close in =ach dimension building up the obejct. . almost like a camera focusin= its lens, except they are not images they are concepts , 3 EFTA_R1_01717312 EFTA02557932 please note The information contained in this communication is confidential, ma= be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and =s intended only for the use of the addressee. 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