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From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: Dear Gordon Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:25 AM Gordon Gettv degree of r and age Alan Rogers; Robert Frank; Jeffrey Epstein I very much like your slimmed down version of Hamilton/Fisher. Certainly collapsing the main equation by N=1 is obvious. Somewhat less so is the matter of defining a benefit (B) i.e. an increase in reproductive success, as a change in one's reproductive value, which seems like a more permanent character. In one sense yes: it has just gone up, but does the general, let us say declining in older people rule, still not apply?—and is it bumped throughout by the same benefit recently transferred ? When I explicitly set out to build a theory of the family I knew the key variables were degree of relatedness, sex and age—yet I never reached a proper synthesis with the latter. Here I would trust Alan Rogers more than myself; likewise, David Haig has contributed the following, which also references Alan: Ronald Lee has developed a model of intergenerational transfers that has some interesting properties. The problem is that his model is implicitly one of clonal asexual reproduction (r = 1 for all transfers among individuals). I am not sure whether anyone has achieved a general model for transfers among relatives which is what Gordon is working at. Lee, R. (2008) Sociality, selection, and survival: simulated evolution of mortality with intergenerational transfers and food sharing. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA 105: 7124-7128. Lee, R. D. (2003) Rethinking the evolutionary theory of aging: transfers, not births, shape senescence in social species. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA 100: 9637-9642. and Alan Rogers has a commentary: Rogers, A. R. (2003) Economics and the evolution of life histories. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA 100: 9114-9115. Note absence of parent-offspring conflict. I will write you later re your very interesting piece on discounting. I am copying David on all this warmest best bob <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/Propertylist-1.0.dtd"> <plist version="1.0"> EFTA_R1_01751608 EFTA02578160 <dict> <key>conversation-id</key> <integer>274385</integer> <key>date-last-yiewed</key> <integer>0</integer> <key>date-receiyed</key> <integer>1385511914</integer> <key>flags</key> <I nteger>8590195713</i nteger> <key>gmail-label-ids</key> <array> <integer>6</integer> <integer>2</integer> </array> <key>remote-id</key> <string>365897</string> </diet> </plist> 2 EFTA_R1_01751609 EFTA02578161