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From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 5:12 PM To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: FYI I will see gromov tomoroorw any questions =AO for him? On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Deepak Chopra wrote: My response to her Gi =BD Deepak Chopra MD 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 =hopra Foundation <http://www.choprafoundat=on.org/> Jiyo <http://www.jiyo.com/> =/p> Chopra Cen=er for Wellbeing <http://www.chopra.com/> <http://home-everyone-welcom=.com/> Home: Where Everyone is Welcome <http://home-everyone-wel=ome.com/> EFTA_R1_01868607 EFTA02637715 Begin forwarded message: From: Amanda Getter Date: September 5, 2017 at 12:08:00 AM PDT To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: FYI Hi Deepak, Great to hear from you again. Thanks for sending your interesting arti=le - I enjoyed reading this one, and the follow up. While I don't agre= with every point in them, I do think it's important that people reali=e that naive realism is an illusion. And I especially liked the point you made about panpsychism as a way of sneaki=g "things" in through the back door. I'd like to understand your distinction between mind and conscious=ess a bit better - it's an interesting take. I suspect, as I think you=1139;ve suggested as well, that your "consciousness" is very simi=ar to my "nothing" (the state of infinite, unbounded homogeneity)! If so, I agree that it is the foundation of all reality. But=then we still need a theory of how, exactly, the nothingness or consciousn=ss comes to give rise to individual minds, and the worlds they construct, =nd how they relate to one another, what laws govern them, etc. Which is to say, we still need fundamental phy=ics and cognitive science. And the tricky part is that we need them in som= unified form that doesn't quite exist yet. That point has become really important to me lately - that mind and un=verse, subject and object, are two sides of a coin, and that it's impo=sible to understand the true nature of one without understanding the natur= of the other. And the epiphany I've come to is that the only way to unite physics and cognitive science is to =ormulate them both in first person. It's the mistaken idea that realit= is describable in third person that leads to the measurement problem in q=antum mechanics and the hard problem in cognitive science. Recasting both fields in first person clears up so m=ny conceptual difficulties, and allows us to see how the two are profoundl= intertwined. First person physics is a physics where everything is relati=e to the core (the world built of relations, not things) and the quantum wavefunction can equally be said=to describe the state of the world or the state of the observer, since the= are the same thing! First person cognitive science rejects the idea that =he brain "in here" creates mental representations of the world "out there," and instead sees mind =nd world as co-creating one another through a process of dynamic self-orga=ization. I think there are really important and inspiring steps being take= in each of these fields toward this first person goal.l'm very excited by it all :-) Anyway...another ramble...I hope all is well on your end! All the best, Amanda On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Deepak Chopra — > wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/chopra/a=ticle/lf-Reality-isn-t-Na-ve-We-Shouldn-t-Be- 11816979.php <http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/chopra/article/lf-Reality-isn-t=Na-ve-We-Shouldn-t-Be-11816979.php> 2 EFTA_R1_01868608 EFTA02637716 <http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/chopra/articl4lf-Reality-isn-t-Na-ve-We-Shouldn-t-Be-11816979.php> If Reality isn't Naive, We Shouldn=E2 t Be, Either <http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/chopra/article/=f-Reality-isn-t-Na- ve-We-Shouldn-t-Be-11816979.php> www.sfgate.com <http://www.sfgate.com> The second version, known as scientific realism, also relies on the senses =ut in a more sophisticated fashion-when the eyes tell us that the sun rise= in the East, science steps in with the actual facts of astronomy. [...] b=eaking down a piece of wood, a grain of salt, or a chunk of uranium down into finer and finer particles, =ntil you reach the mysterious domain of quantum mechanics isn't remote=y the same as describing reality "in here," which is governed by=the mind. There has never been the slightest proof that the basic chemical components of the brain can think, feel, or =ave experience. [...] it's extremely naive to assume such a thing=and yet neuroscience insists upon it. Naive realism and scientific re=lism agree with this proposition, but they have plumped for the wrong candidate, forcing physical "things" to cr=ate mind when that is obviously impossible. 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