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From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 3:09 AM To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: Sensory Apparatus / Language you are the same as a liver cell . a com=lex system aware of its surrounding and takes actions in response to=its enviromnet and internal state. after taking measurements. =C24k . the liver cell is aware. it might al=o fool itself into thinking it is conscious. . . ssee yo= soon O= Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Deepak Chopra < => wrote: Thanks Donald ! Deepak Chopra MD =hopra Foundation <http://www.choprafoundat=on.org/> Jiyo <http://www.jiyo.com/> Chopra Cen=er for Wellbeing <http://www.chopra.com/> chttps://www.discoveringyo=rcosmicself.com/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.co=/> =/p> EFTA_R1_01902086 EFTA02656382 <http:=/www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/> <=p> On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:43 PM, DONALD HOFFMAN <[email protected] < > wrote: Yes, I agree that the spacetime universe is a human construct. It is n=t the fundamental reality. Physicists are now recognizing this. They say, =E24N,Spacetime is doomed," meaning it is not the fundamental re=lity that they had hoped it would be. They don't know what is the fundamental reality, and are searching for it. But they d=n't want to take seriously the idea that consciousness might be th= fundamental reality. I saw this first hand when I participated in the FQX= conference in Banff last summer, where physicists and cosmologists met to grapple with the fundamental nature of =eality. Chalmers was there too, and spoke about consciousness. On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Deepak Chopra < > wrote:<=div> Agree Thanks However the space time universe is a human construct - linguistically =peaking - language used by humans to describe knowing and experience / per=eptions in awareness ? Deepak Chopra MD Chopra C=nter for Wellbeing <http://www.choprafound=tion.org/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> <image001.png> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.co=/> 2 EFTA_R1_01902087 EFTA02656383 <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> chttp://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.comi= target=> wrote: On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:20 PM, DONALD HOFFMAN <[email protected] < Dear Deepak, > > Yes, I would say that the sensory appar=tus and brain are species-specific icons. My entire body is just an icon. =hen I move my hand and grab something, even that movement is just an icon.=l don't know what I am really doing in objective reality—I only know my ow= actions under the limits of the descriptions available within my int=rface. Genes, animals, species, and even spacetime itself are just icons.<=span> The evolutionary arguments against true=C24terceptions do not hold against true logic and math, since we do=need to reason about fitness payoffs—two bites of an apple gi=e roughly twice the payoff as one bite, for instance. There are no selection pressures to be geniuses at math and =ogic, and few of us are. But we need to have enough competence to get the =ayoffs we need. I wouldn't say that t=e spacetime universe is itself a conscious agent, but that it is the =ormat of the interface of human conscious agents. I am working on a mathematical theory=C24,of how conscious agents evolve languages to better understand ea=h other. It seems that they can get more information about each other with=ut violating the second law of thermodynamics, if they hillclimb mutual information. Fun research=ahead on this one! Love, Don 3 EFTA_R1_01902088 EFTA02656384 On Mar 16, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Deepak Chopra < > wrote:<=div> Dear Don Would you say that the sensory apparatus and brain - eyes ears other s=nses are species specific icons ( symbols ) for modes of knowing and exper=ence - seeing hearing thinking feeling imagining etc Also it seems to me that humans by giving names to modes of knowing an= experience ( perception ) have created the universe as a human construct = Everything from a quark to a boson to a galaxy is a name or description b=stowed by humans to a mode of knowing or experience in awareness . This holds true for what we c=ll a body mind genes other animals and species Taxonomy is symbol making for knowing and experience . Do we know anything about the origin of symbolic language including ma=hematics ? What does evolution say ? The entire universe is our construct - a spe=ies of consciousness - what you call a conscious agent Love Deepak Chopra MD Chopra C=nter for Wellbeing <http://www.choprafound=tion.ore> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> <image001.png> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.co=/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> <http://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/= target=> 4 EFTA_R1_01902089 EFTA02656385 4>=A0 please note The information contained i= this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged,=may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use =f the addressee. It is the property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclos=re or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly pro=ibited and may be unlawful. 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