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From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 9:51 AM To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: Sensory Apparatus / Language names are not important. . Q=A0 the question is are some things more similar or more differ=nt. . if i measure the height of 100 people = a graph of heights will form a shape. a bel= shaped curve, . that shape is everywhere. =C2* the shape is not a consious artifact. . the shape =s not aware. . a human construct gives it a name. percieves it etc b=t it exists without either. it is an organizing principle. that is not a construct. we tell ourselves c=mplex stories about self. it is a fiction that allows some regulatio= of the entity. meditation hacks the feedback loop=,. On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 5:40 AM, Deepak Chopra wrote: Awareness = consciousness There is liver cell Humans made up the word and gave a name to a mode of knowing experience =nd behavior There is no Jeffrey or deepak either . These are all symbols --and human=constructs for reality --which is nameless formless spaceless timeless. Ev=ryone is bamboozled by the superstition of matter. Its a convincing halluc=nation so everyone should forgiven See you soon 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 Chopra Foundation <http://www.choprafoundation.org> <=a> <http://www.ch=prafoundation.org> Jiyo <http://www.jiyo.com> <http://jiyo.com> <http://jiyo.com> Chopra Center for Wellbeing <http://www.chopra.com> <http://chopra.com= id=> </=> <http://www.jiyo.com> discoveringyourcosmicself.com <http://=ww.discoveringyourcosmicself.com> EFTA_R1_01902329 EFTA02656580 <=span> From: =jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:09:10 PM To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: Sensory Apparatus / Language you are the same as a liver cell . a com=lex system aware of its surrounding and takes actions in response to=its enviromnet and internal state. after taking measurements. =C240 . the liver cell is aware. it might al=o fool itself into thinking it is conscious. . . ssee you soon On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Deepak Chopra =span dir="ltr"> <nonlocal101=chopra.com <mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Thanks Donald ! Deepak Chopra MD 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 =hopra Foundation <http://www.choprafoundat=on.org/> Jiyo <http://www.jiyo.com/> Chopra Cen=er for Wellbeing <http://www.chopra.com/> <https://www.discoveringyo=rcosmicself.com/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/> =Ip> 2 EFTA_R1_01902330 EFTA02656581 <http:=/www.discoveringyourcosmicself.comh <=p> On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:43 PM, DONALD HOFFMAN <[email protected] <mailto:ddhoff@uc=.edu» wrote: Yes, I agree that the spacetime universe is a human construct. It is n=t the fundamental reality. Physicists are now recognizing this. They say, =E2$4Spacetime is doomed," meaning it is not the fundamental re=lity that they had hoped it would be. They don't know what is the fundamental reality, and are searching for it. But they d=n't want to take seriously the idea that consciousness might be th= fundamental reality. I saw this first hand when I participated in the FQX= conference in Banff last summer, where physicists and cosmologists met to grapple with the fundamental nature of =eality. Chalmers was there too, and spoke about consciousness. On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Deepak Chopra <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» wrote:<=div> Agree Thanks However the space time universe is a human construct - linguistically =peaking - language used by humans to describe knowing and experience / per=eptions in awareness ? Deepak Chopra MD 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 Chopra C=nter for Wellbeing chttp://www.choprafound=tion.org/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> 3 EFTA_R1_01902331 EFTA02656582 <image001.png> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> chttp://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/= target=> On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:20 PM, DONALD HOFFMAN <[email protected] <mailto:ddhoff@uc.=.edu» wrote: Dear Deepak, Yes, I would say that the sensory appar=tus and brain are species-specific icons. My entire body is just an icon. =hen I move my hand and grab something, even that movement is just an icon.=l don't know what I am really doing in objective reality—I only know my own actions under the lim=ts of the descriptions available within my interface. Genes, animals,=species, and even spacetime itself are just icons. The evolutionary arguments against true=C241perceptions do not hold against true logic and math, since we do=need to reason about fitness payoffs—two bites of an apple gi=e roughly twice the payoff as one bite, for instance. There are no selection pressures to be geniuses at math and logic, and few of us=are. But we need to have enough competence to get the payoffs we need. I wouldn't say that t=e spacetime universe is itself a conscious agent, but that it is the =ormat of the interface of human conscious agents. I am working on a mathematical theory=C24>of how conscious agents evolve languages to better understand ea=h other. It seems that they can get more information about each other with=ut violating the second law of thermodynamics, if they hillclimb mutual information. Fun research ahead on this one!=/span> love, 4 EFTA_R1_01902332 EFTA02656583 Don On Mar 16, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Deepak Chopra <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» wrote:<=div> Dear Don Would you say that the sensory apparatus and brain - eyes ears other s=nses are species specific icons ( symbols ) for modes of knowing and exper=ence - seeing hearing thinking feeling imagining etc Also it seems to me that humans by giving names to modes of knowing an= experience ( perception ) have created the universe as a human construct = Everything from a quark to a boson to a galaxy is a name or description b=stowed by humans to a mode of knowing or experience in awareness . This holds true for what we call a body mind =enes other animals and species Taxonomy is symbol making for knowing and experience . Do we know anything about the origin of symbolic language including ma=hematics ? What does evolution say ? The entire universe is our construct - a spe=ies of consciousness - what you call a conscious agent Love Deepak Chopra MD 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 920O9 Chopra C=nter for Wellbeing <http://www.choprafound=tion.org/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> cimage001.png> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> <http://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/= target=> 5 EFTA_R1_01902333 EFTA02656584 please note The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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