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From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 10:55 PM To: Joscha Bach Subject: Re: it was a class of virus , is more like a mknd than t=e creativity of a neuron On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Joscha Bach < » wrote: Octopi have a reputatio= for extreme creativity, i.e. they can observe things in their environment= simulate them mentally in several ways, come up with a solution and then =nact it. Virus intelligence is an emergent thing, over many viru=es. The individual virus either succeeds or fails. A virus is like a thoug=t, not like a mind. Am Mar 6, 2017 um 5:50 PM schrieb jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]»: =br class="m_222983472287534534Apple-interchange-newline"> watch the octupus, find its prey, is it creative=? is it intelligent? are virus creatvie? 4)=A0 finding new methods to infect the host. . hackers 4P=A0 On =on, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Joscha Bach < >= wrote: It seems that much of what we call intelligence could be de=cribed as detecting causal structure in a domain. Causality means that you=have a model that tells you how change of a condition will influence the d=stribution of outcomes. Of course, crabs do that too, to an extent. <=iv> When I was in Munich, a patent lawyer challenged me to come u= with a definition of creativity from a machine learning perspective. He h=s to judge the originality of inventions, and something that a domain expe=t can come up with "naturally" does not count as an invent=on, even if it has never been done before. learning sys=ems tend to move along gradients, and the "natural solutiont>=9D of the domain expert can be seen as an extrapolation of the solution sp=ce along the known gradients, until an optimum is found. Creativity seems =o involve crossing discontinuities in the problem space, i.e. do more than=follow the gradients. It is not magic, of course; you can use evolutionary=methods/Monte Carlo etc., but you find that many domain experts are capabl= without being creative. Can we measure the=ability of different animals for creativity? =div> EFTA_R1_01902692 EFTA02656873 Am Mar 6, 2017 urn 3:23 PM schrieb jeffr=y E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]»: i see it as a com=lex system agents are building many things. dependent on the l=cal condition. some take off as useful in other parts of the s=stem, monkeys using tools? I think the term intell=gence is too vague.. a crab using a lure to catch its prey. =C24o is a bio inspired prosthetic. it argua=bley evolved. but cant be sure. On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Josch= Bach < » wrote: So you don4,=99t think that practical intelligence is the ability to build arbitrary pr=sthetics? I agree that humans share an important =imilarity with cells, i.e. they have mechanisms that suppress individual c=mpetition when it conflicts too much with group selection. Without such me=hanisms, group selection fails, because within each group, defectors have = local advantage. The simplest mechanism to enfor=e cooperation is reputation, but it works only when others are looking, an= manage to keep tallies. To do better than that, evolution has to breed a =irtual next level regulator into the individual, which may be your missing="top down for humans". A system of norms and taboos, for inst=nce a religion or ideology that people pick up from their environment. Individuals can decide, but in social contexts, the u=ility of decisions is given by how well we understand the constraints unde= which we operate. Am Mar 6, 2017 UM 10:50 AM schrieb Jeffrey E. < Exactly! Sensors like that are often =ne of these solution that get you 80% of the way with 20% of the effort. E=cept that minds that take 15 years to train are o dramatically more expens=ve that almost no species can afford them (but they end up getting you to =he moon, which no prosthesis can). Am Mar 6, 2017 um 7:08 AM schrieb Jeffrey E. <[email protected]<=a»: they may have physical prothesitcs like cat whiskers.=C2* to enable it to guage widith of hole. On Sun, Mar 5, 2017=at 8:03 PM, Joscha Bach < <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:<=r> Most animals don't have a self model,=probably because they don't have complex enough brains or long enough =raining phases (childhoods) to do meta-regulation. 2 EFTA_R1_01902693 EFTA02656874 wr=te: > On Mar 5, 2017, at 16:48, jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:jeevacation=gmail.com> wrote: > Law of large numbers is all that is needed > On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 5:46 PM Joscha Bach < <mailto:[email protected]» wrote: > I am not sure how to relate that to game theory; you may be able to ge= that without evolutionary competition. However, game theory is probably t=e way to explain how we evolve submission to norms beyond indirect recipro=ity. » On Mar 5, 2017, at 12:12, jeffrey E. <[email protected] <[email protected]» wrote: > i wonder in game theory what advantage it gives. > On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Joscha Bach < > absolutely. so are truth and meaning <mailto:[email protected]»: wrote: am" of the addressee. It is the property of > Am 05.03.2017 um 11:52 schrieb jeffrey E. <[email protected] >» i is a mental construct that gives an evolutionary adva=tage , . > » >» On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Joscha Bach <- > » I believe that I think, but am "I" the agent of thi=king? > » »> »> »> »> >>> On Mar 5, 2017, at 08:34, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> w=ote: >>» >>» I sugggest the expression really shoul= be "I think, therefore I believe I >= »» »» »» > » > -- > » > please note > >» The information contained in this communication is > >» confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may > >» constitute inside information, and is intended only for<=r> >>> the use >>» JEE > >» Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this 3 EFTA_R1_01902694 EFTA02656875 > >» communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited=br> > >» and may be unlawful. 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