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From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 7:28 PM To: Nowak, Martin A. Subject: Re: ramblings but interesting mathematics. Yes On Wednesday, 9 November 2016, Nowak, Martin =. < =/a» wrote: <mailto can we talk? Begin forwarded message: From: Seth Lloyd < <javascript:_e(%76%7D,'cvm=',' );»=br> Subject: Re: ramblings but interesting mathematics. Date: November 6, 2016 at 3:48:50 PM EST To: "jeffrey E." <[email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B=7D,scvml',[email protected];» Cc: "Nowak, Martin" < <javascript:_e(.78%7D;cvml 1):» information travels between experience oneself Reply-To: <javascript:_e(%76%7D;cvmr, );> Dear Jeffrey, In both classical and quantum mechanics, there are descriptions of wha= happens that involve propagating backwards in time: they are equivalent to the ordinary des=riptions in which information forward in time. Our experience of the present moment can be thought of as our neurons =umping back and forth the sensations just received and those immediately anticipated, as in =ur previous discussion of the of walking. As we discussed, self awareness is a tricky concept. I Ike your using this term instead of consciousness. After all, 90% of people are unconscious 90% of the time, and the rema=ning 10% are unconscious 100% of the time. The ability to refer to oneself, to remember=one's actions in the past, and to imagine EFTA_R1_01924640 EFTA02670896 undergoing of that acting in the future seems to be a pretty powerful ability, and could =e quite useful in someone the constant threat of natural selection. Similarly, the ability to represent oneself to another self-aware bein= opens up the possibility of forms cooperation and collaboration that are not available to those aware ne=ther of self or of others. Note self awareness is bound up in human language, in particular the fully =ecursive, self-referential type of language that Noam picks out as the essential driving engine of human =hought. I suspect that one can construct games where self awareness coupled wi=h the capacity for recursive thought conveys a strong advantage. I'd enjoy talking about this more. Available this aft=rnoon (Sunday) and happy for distraction from excessive work. Martin and I live around the corner from each other and are enjoying h=nging out and talking about just these kinds of things. You should join us one of these day=. Seth On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 8:50 AM, jeffrey E. <[email protected] cjavascript:_e(%7IP/07D;[email protected]=m1);» wrote: if my future particle pulled its past in=o the present. so that t was connected ( consistant ) to=( t- e) . would bells theorem be described as not a non local entan=lement , but the measurement of one particle influencing its p=st/ / it would also help me with the derivation of zip=s law. as the log normal distribution might =all out. if an event in the future already made it more probable =AO for the next event. . Seth, martin and I are stuck on evolution of self awareness. =AO what advantage? martin originally thought=for communication. so as to be able to tell someone, yo=r state./ what does it mea= to be in a state and be aware of it? does it require time. ? we describe a state from the outside as its properties in an=instant. all odd math, gets me zero to=the zero power. indertermnate ? is it 1 or zero.=C2 is it both. ? all fun please note The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by e-mail to [email protected] <javascript:_e(%76%7D;cvml'=,[email protected]');> , and 2 EFTA_R1_01924641 EFTA02670897 destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. copyright -all rights reserved =C2 please note The information contained in this communic=tion is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constit=te inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addresser. It is the property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying =f this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and =ay be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, pleas= notify us immediately by return e-mail or by e-mail to [email protected], andar>destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all atta=hments. copyright -all rights reserved 3 EFTA_R1_01924642 EFTA02670898