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ORIGINAL 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 1 UNITED STATES GRAND JURY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -v- JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. APPEARANCES: X August 2018 : Additional • • UNITED STATES COURTHOUSE 40 Foley Square New York, New York 10007 July 2, 2019 12:43 p.m. Assistant Assistant Assistant ESQ. United States ESQ. United States ESQ. United States Attorney Attorney Attorney Acting Grand Jury Reporter Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street *New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 GM_GLSDNY_00000089 EFTA00008585 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 2 • 7/2/19 (Colloquy Precedes.) (Witness Enters Room.) (Time noted: 12:47 p.m.) called as a witness, having been first duly sworn by the Foreperson of the Grand Jury, was examined and testified as follows: EXAMINATION BY MS. Q. Could you please state and spell your name for the record? A. Q. Good afternoon, Special Agent A. Good afternoon. Q. Where do you work? A. The FBI. Q. What's your title at the FBI? A. Special agent. Q. How long have you worked as a special agent for the FBI? A. For over two years now. Q. Did you testify before this grand jury on June 18th, 2019? A. I did. Q. Can you just remind the grand jury about your background? What types of work do you do at the FBI? Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GLSDNY_00000090 EFTA00008586 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 3 • 7/2/19 A. I work on the Violent Crimes Against Children Squad, so we work child exploitation, human trafficking, and international parental kidnapping matters. Q. Have you participated in an investigation of Jeffrey Epstein and his associates? A. Yes. Q. Have you spoken to other people, including other law enforcement officers, about this investigation? A. Yes. Q. Have you reviewed reports and documents prepared by others regarding this case? A. Yes. Q. And is your testimony today based in part on those conversations with other law enforcement officers and documents that you have reviewed? A. Yes. MS. Ladies and gentlemen, some of the testimony that you're going to hear today will include hearsay. As you know, that means that the witness will not be testifying solely from her own observations, but that she'll also be reporting what others have told her and what she's read in reports and documents prepared by others. Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK' (212) 869-3063 GM_GLSDNYJOM0091 EFTA00008587 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 4 • 7/2/19 As you know, hearsay evidence is admissible in these grand jury proceedings, and you're free to rely on it in determining whether there is probable cause to indict the proposed defendant. If, however, you would like to hear the testimony of any other witness, you have the right to request it, and we will make reasonable efforts to bring that witness before you. BY MS. Q. So, Special Agent I placed in front of you a stack of exhibits. I want to talk through them now one by one. We were discussing earlier that you recall testifying before this grand jury on June 18, 2019;. is that correct? A. Yes. Q. So, I placed in front of you what's marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 3. Is that a fair and accurate transcript of your testimony on that date? A. Yes. Q. I've also placed in front of you Grand Jury Exhibit 1. Is that a PowerPoint presentation that you reviewed with this grand jury on June 18th, 2019? A. Yes. Q. So picking up where we left off last time, I Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street " New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK " (212) 869-3063 GM_GUDNY_00000092 EFTA00008588 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 5 7/2/19 want to follow up regarding the presentation. If you could turn to page 28 of that presentation. Now, Special Agent do you recall testifying about your interviews with a young woman named A. Yes. Q. And do you recall that there was a question from the grand jury about the date on one of the slides in this presentation? A. Yes. Q. Just want to follow up on that. So on this page, just to orient ourselves, do you recall testifying about phone records of a call between a phone number subscribed to and 's cell phone on January 3rd? A. Yes. Q. Have you reviewed the underlying phone records that are excerpted in this slide? A. Yes. Q. Is the call highlighted on this slide from January 3rd, 2005? A. Yes. Q. Directing your attention to the top of the slide where it says 2004, is that a typo? A. Yes. Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000093 EFTA00008589 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 6 7/2/19 Q. Have you confirmed that the underlying records are, in fact, from January 3rd, 2005? A. Yes. Q. Turning to the next slide, on page 29. So the header on this slide is January 4, 2005. Is that the same date that's on the deposit slip excerpted in that slide? A. Yes. Q. So does the date on this slide accurately reflect the date on the deposit slip? A. Yes. Q. So when you testified that based on the phone records we just discussed and this deposit slip, that it appears that they were on back-to-back days, was that in fact accurate? A. Yes. Q. All right. So I want to switch gears now and ask you, do you recall testifying before this grand jury regarding a woman named A. Yes. Q. If you could turn now to what's before you and marked Grand Jury Exhibit 4. Do you recognize this? A. Yes. Q. What is this document? A. So this is a list of messages that to that Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000094 EFTA00008590 Page 7 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 • 7/2/19 appear to be left for Jeffrey Epstein. Q. Taking a step back for a moment, how did the FBI obtain this document? A. We received this from the Palm Beach Police Department. Q. What is your understanding, based on your review of law enforcement reports and your review of the case file, of how the Palm Beach Police Department obtained this document? A. They would have received it from a trash pull. So a trash pull is, one of the detectives had gone to the residence and went through the trash that was left on the curb. Q. Is this document from one of those trash pulls? A. Yes. Q. Approximately when was this pulled from the trash, based on your review of law enforcement reports? A. April 13, 2005. Q. In a previous presentation, you discussed a number of residences. Do you know specifically where this was pulled from the trash? A. The Palm Beach residence. Q. Did you personally participate in gathering this evidence? y • - Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 GM_GUDNY_00000095 EFTA00008591 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 8 7/2/19 A. I was not a part of the trash pull, but I have received the evidence since. Q. So let's talk through this document. Looking first at the first page at the top, what does this document appear to be? A. It's records listed for Jeffrey Epstein, 4/11/2005 to 4/11/2005. Q. What are the fields at the top? A. So the left side has who it's from, the middle has the message, and then on the right it has -- some of them have phone numbers listed. Q. Does the name appear in this document? A. Yes. Q. Let's turn to the fourth page of this document. Focusing on the last line, do you see where it says callers? A. Yes. Q. What is listed in the field to the right? A. It lists Q. Turning to page 2 of this document, focusing on the bottom three lines, can you point out to the grand jury where you see the name at the bottom of this document? A. So is listed twice. Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 GNI_GJ_SDNY_00000096 EFTA00008592 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 9 7/2/19 (Indicating.) Q. What are the messages to the right of the name A. The first message lists, I'm back in New York. Q. What's the second one? A. is back. Q. Is there a phone number listed next to the message? A. Yes. Q. And what is the area code for that phone number? code? A. Q. Does that appear to be a New York City area A. Yes. Q. In your interviews with have you asked her whether or not she recognizes this phone number? A. Yes. Q. What did she tell you? A. She did not recognize it. Q. What, if anything, did she tell you about the phones that she was using during this time period? A. She said that she was using a lot of different phones, that she'd gone a lot of different places, so _ Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FMK' (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000097 EFTA00008593 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 Page 10 7/2/19 she didn't recall all the numbers that she had used in the past Q. Have you obtained phone records for this phone number? A. Yes. Q. Who was listed for the subscriber in 2005? A. It came back to an individual in Maspeth. Q. Based on your participation in this investigation, does that particular individual have any significance to this investigation, as far as you can tell? A. No. Q. If these messages had been left by in New York, would some type of communication have had to occur across state lines in order for these messages to have been found in Florida? A. Yes. Q. Do you recall testifying about and having remembered receiving phone calls from Epstein's assistant, Mt A. Yes. Q. Did they recall that occasionally when they would get phone calls from MB that she would say that she was calling from New York? A. Yes. Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services (800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 GM_GLSDNY_00000098 EFTA00008594 1 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 11 Q. If 7/2/19 and were in Florida when they got those calls and those calls had, in fact, been placed from New York, would those calls have traveled across state lines? A. Yes. Q. A few final questions about In your conversations with her, did she ever describe to you receiving phone calls regarding the massages that she was scheduling? A. Yes. Q. Who would call her? A. MM. Q. Did she recall speaking to anyone else on the phone? A. Epstein. Q. And did she explain the context in which she would receive calls and speak to Epstein? A. Yes. She said that when she spoke with Epstein on the phone, it would always be through IIIIII/ So would contact her and then put him on the phone to speak with her. Q. What was her understanding of who was? A. His assistant. Q. In these conversations with and Epstein, did recall whether or not either of Fink & Camcy Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 GM_GLSDNY_00000099 EFTA00008595 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 Page 12 7/2/19 them had ever asked her to bring a particular girl to the house? A. Yes. Q. Did she recall whether ever asked her to bring a particular girl? A. Yes. Q. What does she remember about that? A. That would ask her, do you have this particular girl or can this girl come tonight or on whatever day that they had chosen. Q. When she would speak with Epstein on the phone, did she recall whether or not Epstein would ever ask her to bring a particular girl? A. Yes. Q. What did she remember about that? A. Along the same lines, can you bring this girl. Q. Just one moment. Special Agent have you told the grand jury everything that you know about this case, or have you just answered the questions that I've asked? A. I've just answered the questions you've asked. Q. When you testified about the documents you reviewed or the conversations that you had with.others, were you testifying to the exact words that were used or just the substance of the documents or Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services (800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000I00 EFTA00008596 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 13 • 7/2/19 conversations? A. Substance. Q. Are you willing to return to the grand jury if the grand jury has any further questions for you? A. Yes. MS. With the Foreperson's permission, I would ask that Special Agent be excused. THE FOREPERSON: You're excused. (Witness Excused.) (Time noted: 1:00 p.m.) (Colloquy Follows.) Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GI_SDNY_00000101 EFTA00008597 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 16 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Page 14 CERTIFICATE STATE OF NEW YORK COUNTY OF KINGS ) ) hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and accurate transcript, to the best of my skill and ability, from my stenographic notes of this proceeding. Active Grand Jury Reporter Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GLSDNY_00000102 EFTA00008598