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1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 2 SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA WEST PALM BEACH DIVISION 3 4 5 6 7 8 IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 APPEARANCE: TESTIMONY OF / Grand Jury #07-103 (WPB) West Palm Beach, Florida Tuesday, February 6, 2007 ASSISTANT U. S. ATTORNEY FOREPERSON COURT REPORTER OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00085291 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PROCEEDINGS - - - The sworn testimony of was taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, 701 clematis street, west Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, State of Florida, on the 6th day of February, 2007. , Registered Merit Reporter and Notary Public was authorized to and did report the sworn testimony. Thereupon, a witness of lawful age, having been first duly sworn by the foreperson, testified on her oath as follows: BY MS. VILLAFANA: Q , please state and spell your name for the record. A It is and I work for the FBI in Palm Beach County Q Can you spell your last name, please. A I'm sorry, it is Q And I know we have some people in the back having trouble hearing you. You said that you work for the FBI. Can you tell the Grand Jury what particular group you are employed with? A I am with the in OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085292 3 1 Palm Beach County, I work primarily crimes against 2 children, but have been an agent for the last 3 approximately 10 years. 4 Q Have you received specialized training in the 5 area of crimes against children? 6 A Yes, I have. 7 Q As part of your employment with the FBI have 8 you been involved in an investigation of Jeffrey 9 Epstein? 10 A Yes, I have. 11 Q And can you tell us who Jeffrey Epstein is? 12 A Jeffrey Epstein is an investment advisor who 13 has a part-time residence in the town of Palm Beach, he 14 has got multiple residences across the country to 15 include a ranch in New Mexico, an island in the virgin 16 Isles, and multiple aircrafts, two airplanes and a 17 helicopter to be exact, and -- 18 Q And where is his primary residence? 19 A His primary residence, he has an office in New 20 York, but his primary residence I believe is the island. 21 Q In the virgin Islands? 22 A Yes. 23 Q He also has a home in New York, correct? 24 A Yes. 25 Q HOW is it that you started investigating OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085293 4 1 Mr. Epstein? 2 A The Palm Beach Police Department in March of 3 2005 initiated an investigation on Mr. Epstein involving 4 multiple underage females that had visited Mr. Epstein's 5 residence and had performed sexual massages or massages 6 for Mr. Epstein of a sexual nature. 7 Mr. Epstein paid the underage females anywhere 8 from 200 to $400, that investigation was around an 8 to 9 10-month investigation, and at that point we became 10 involved in about July of 2006. 11 Q And once the case was presented to you by the 12 Palm Beach Police Department did the FBI open its own 13 investigation? 14 A Yes, yes, we initiated our investigation in 15 July of 2006, we took a look at focusing in on the 16 underage minors and in our investigation we interviewed 17 many of the girls that were underage and we did an 18 independent investigation issuing Grand Jury subpoenas 19 as well as administrative subpoenas getting different 20 documents of financial records, telephone analysis, 21 flight manifests, looking to see if Mr. Epstein engaged 22 in sexual activity with these females. 23 Q All right. And just so the Grand Jury is 24 clear, were some of the girls who went to Mr. Epstein's 25 house 18 or older? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085294 5 1 A Yes. 2 Q And then there were some that were under the 3 age of 18, correct? 4 A Yes. 5 Q And as part of the federal investigation did 6 you have to investigate what we call the interstate 7 nexus aspect of the case? 8 A Yes. 9 Q And can you explain to the Grand Jury what 10 that is? 11 A we looked at -- Mr. Epstein, as I mentioned 12 earlier, has two aircrafts, and we focused in on the 13 year 2004, 2005, he took approximately 60 trips to his 14 residence in Palm Beach, the majority of that time 15 focusing in on his assistant's cell phone, which his 16 assistant's name is , we took a look at her 17 cell phone records and the majority of the times that 18 Mr. Epstein would fly into Palm Beach Mrs. -- Ms. 19 would contact many of our underage victims either prior 20 to coming into Palm Beach, the day of, the day before, 21 even the day after, and certainly throughout the time 22 that Mr. Epstein was at his residence in Palm Beach. 23 Q And from the interviews of the girls that have 24 been conducted, what was the subject of those telephone 25 calls? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085295 6 1 2 3 4 A Can you restate the question? Q Sure. From the interviews of the girls that have been conducted, what was the subject matter of the telephone calls from ? 5 A would schedule the underage girls 6 to come and work, perform the massages for Mr. Epstein, 7 so she was responsible, she as well as another 8 assistant, , they were his personal 9 assistants who would set up appointments for Mr. Epstein 10 for the girls to come and perform their sexual massages. 11 Q All right. is also considered a 12 target of this investigation? 13 A Yes, she is. 14 Q And I will just I will spell 15 for the Grand Jury. The first name is 16 and the last name is spelled 17 and does Ms. have a new last 18 name? 19 A Yes, she does, she is married and her name is 20 21 Q Is ms. at least a subject of 22 this investigation, in other words, you are 23 investigating her activity? 24 A we are looking at that. 25 Q In addition to those two assistants, from the OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085296 7 1 interviews of the girls, is there anyone else who is 2 associated with mr. Epstein who is thought to be 3 involved in this activity? 4 A has been referred to as his 5 companion, girl friend, personal assistant, she through 6 the testimony of the girls has engaged in sexual 7 activity with at least three of the underage minors. 8 Q And is so Ms. 9 is also at least a subject of the 10 investigation, correct? 11 A Yes, she is. 12 Q Now, as part of this investigation you 13 mentioned that subpoenas were issued on behalf of either 14 the old Grand Jury or this Grand Jury. 15 can you run through what subpoenas have been 16 issued and what documents have been received in response 17 to that? 18 A Sure. we issued a Grand Jury subpoena to 19 colonial Bank and we received financial records on 20 credit card accounts and individuals. 21 we subpoenaed washington mutual and they did a 22 search and were unable to locate records at this time. 23 we issued a Grand Jury subpoena for Capital One and 24 served that and that is still unresolved at this time as 25 far as them providing documents to us. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085297 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 We have subpoenaed Chase Credit Card and we have received documents from Chase. we have subpoenaed two businesses that Mr. Epstein has at least partial ownership or associated to, Hyperion Air, Inc. and JEGE, Inc., they were issued subpoenas and they have provided documentation to us. we have subpoenaed Mr. , who is a pilot of Mr. Epstein's, and we have received documentation from we have subpoenaed DTG 10 11 12 Operations, who is doing business as Dollar Rent-A-car, and we have received car rental agreements and financial records from that business. 13 we have subpoenaed Royal Palm Beach High 14 School and have received documentation regarding the 15 students' records. We have subpoenaed three or four of 16 the victims, being the first, and we have 17 received a bathing suit from 18 we issued a Grand Jury subpoena to 19 , we actually have issued three subpoenas, 20 and we are still working on resolving her Grand Jury 21 material as well as testimony. 22 We have issued a subpoena, we 23 have issued -- she also is one of our underage victims. 24 we've issued Reimer Employment Agency a Grand Jury 25 subpoena and we have received documentation, that is an OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085298 9 1 2 3 4 employment agency located on the island of Palm Beach. we have subpoenaed the Palm Beach Police Department for their evidence in this case and we have received that. By the way, that is the only thing that 5 I did not bring with me today, I brought everything 6 else, but it is rather a lot of evidence, so we will 7 probably be bringing that to you another time. 8 we have issued the Clerk of Courts of the 9 State of Florida for Grand Jury transcripts in the state 10 matter and we have received those. we have issued the 11 Good Samaritan Hospital for billing records and we have 12 received those. 13 We have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to the 14 Dalton School located in New York and at this time they 15 do not have the records we have requested or could not 16 locate those. 17 we have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to Extra 18 Touch Flowers located here in west Palm Beach and we 19 have received documentation from them. we issued a 20 Grand Jury subpoena to , another pilot for 21 Mr. Epstein, we have spoken with him. 22 we have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to 23 another one of Mr. Epstein's pilots, and we 24 have received documentation as well as spoken to him. 25 we have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085299 10 1 2 3 who is the property manager currently for Mr. Epstein at his Palm Beach residence, and we have received documentation as well as spoken to him, and we 4 have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to 5 6 and have received some documentation and are still awaiting a response. 7 Q Now, you mentioned that you didn't bring with 8 you the evidence that you received from the Palm Beach 9 Police Department, but did you bring with you all of the 10 other evidence that was received in response to the 11 subpoenas? 12 A I have. 13 Q And is that evidence in the two boxes that are 14 here in the front? 15 A Yes. 16 Q we will bring all of this back to you when we 17 present the indictment, but would anyone like to look at 18 any of the documentation today? 19 A GRAND JUROR: what does the documentation 20 constitute, basically, the subpoenas? 21 THE WITNESS: It is primarily business 22 records, flight manifests, stuff that came from him 23 traveling to and from Palm Beach, credit card 24 records, the businesses as far as the rental 25 agreement which involves some of the underage girls OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085300 11 1 with the rental cars, and flower shop, you know. 2 A GRAND JUROR: Will we have an opportunity 3 later to go through these if we need to? 4 Yes, we will bring them when 5 we present the indictment. Yes, ma'am. 6 A GRAND JUROR: If I should hold this for 7 later let me know, she mentioned the hospital 8 records were subpoenaed, could more information 9 about why they were subpoenaed be provided at this 10 11 12 13 BY time? answer that. the girls that was an underage -- that Q You can A One of 14 was underage at the time that is involved with 15 Mr. Epstein has had a baby and we were interested and 16 wondering if possibly he was the father of that baby, 17 which at this time we do not believe he was. 18 A GRAND JUROR: Thank you. 19 A question? 20 A GRAND JUROR: Did the flight manifest show 21 passengers on the plane? 22 THE WITNESS: Yes, they do. 23 A GRAND JUROR: Were any of the passengers the 24 underage girls that were a target of the 25 investigation? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085301 12 1 THE WITNESS: At this time we have not 2 associated any of these underage girls as being the 3 passengers. The flight manifests, sometimes the 4 pilot if they did not know who the passenger was 5 would put one passenger or one female, one male, 6 these were private planes and they, you know, may 7 not have felt like they can go up and ask, but we 8 don't have any evidence at this time to believe 9 that they were any of our victims. 10 Any follow-up? Any other 11 questions from the Grand Jury? Yes, ma'am. 12 A GRAND JUROR: The records that you 13 subpoenaed from the high school, what were they 14 used for or why were they instrumental in the 15 investigation? 16 THE WITNESS: Those are the girls' school 17 records and we are just looking at the girls' 18 records. 19 A GRAND JUROR: Absenteeism? 20 THE WITNESS: Just looking at some of their 21 grades and performances and how they did in school. 22 Ladies and gentlemen, before 23 we continue, the witness has mentioned a few names 24 of the minors and that is confidential information, 25 obviously everything that you hear within these OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085302 13 1 walls is confidential. 2 BY 3 Q Now, ! after -- in 4 addition to issuing the subpoenas, you mentioned that 5 one of the subpoenas was to the Palm Beach Police 6 Department. Did you review any of the evidence that 7 they collected? 8 A Yes. 9 Q And can you, for example, did the Palm Beach 10 Police Department interview any girls? 11 A Yes, they did, they interviewed several of the 12 girls, most of the girls, they took taped statements 13 from the girls either in the form of a tape-recorder or 14 through video. 15 Q And you have reviewed some of those 16 interviews, correct? 17 A Yes, we have. 18 Q And has the FBI performed any interviews? 19 A Yes, we have, we have performed interviews of 20 past and current employees of Mr. Epstein as well as 21 focusing in on the girls, the girls that were underage 22 at the time of the sexual activity, we wanted to 23 determine with these girls, again, the sexual activity 24 that took place with Mr. Epstein as well as how old they 25 were at the time, if they traveled with Mr. Epstein, any OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085303 14 1 gifts that they may have gotten, so we did reach out to 2 several of the underage minors and gathered more 3 information from them. 4 Q And through the FBI's investigation has the 5 FBI identified additional victims that perhaps the state 6 police officers did not know about? 7 A Yes, we are still trying to identify, get 8 first names of girls and going back and looking through 9 school yearbooks and attempting to try to locate friends 10 of friends, so we are still in the process, when you 11 interview one of the girls and you ask if any of their 12 friends went, they sometimes will give you other names, 13 so we are in the process of still uncovering victims and 14 reaching out and interviewing additional girls that we 15 believe possibly were underage at the time of this 16 sexual activity. 17 Q If I could ask you to step outside. 18 (The witness was excused from the Grand Jury 19 room.) 20 (Questions posed by the Grand Jury.) 21 (The witness was recalled to testify before 22 the Grand Jury.) 23 BY 24 Q one of the Grand 25 Jurors asked whether there was any evidence of force or OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085304 15 1 coercion. 2 A when talking to the girls they were told that 3 they may have to -- they were going there to perform a 4 massage, possibly model lingerie, they went there 5 sometimes on multiple occasions and they may start off 6 wearing their clothing and then he would instruct them 7 to remove their clothing, the girls either performed 8 these massages in the nude or keeping their underwear 9 on. 10 As they went back again and again on some of 11 the occasions the girls would take off more and more of 12 their clothing, so when they first started they may be 13 fully clothed and then when they came back he would 14 instruct them to remove more of their clothing, so as 15 far as coercion, they were paid $200 to $400 to perform 16 these massages. 17 They are not trained in performing massages, 18 they don't -- they are not masseuses, but yet if you ask 19 if they were coerced, they were paid quite a bit of 20 money for 30 to 45 minutes work. 21 Some of the girls, being that they were minors 22 going to his residence, got in over their heads and did 23 not always return or come back, some of our victims did 24 not come back after, you know, they did go down to their 25 thong underwear and Mr. Epstein did perform sexual acts OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085305 16 1 either by -- and I didn't get into that, but either by 2 stroking their vagina on the outside of their panties or 3 sometimes inside their panties as well as fondling them, 4 and the girls, many of our victims did not realize that 5 that was what was going to happen. 6 Q And was there one instance where Mr. Epstein 7 actually engaged in vaginal intercourse with a girl 8 against her will? 9 A Yes, he did, one of our victims who had been 10 going there over a lengthy period of time had told 11 Mr. Epstein on several occasions that he was not to do 12 that and he did turn her around, threw her on the 13 massage table and penetrated her. 14 Q A Grand Juror asked how old Mr. Epstein is. 15 A He was 45 at the time that we are looking at 16 him at that time period. 17 Q A Grand Juror asked if you know the proportion 18 of girls who were underage versus 18 or older. 19 A The majority of the girls that we are looking 20 at are victims, well, all of our victims that we are 21 looking at were under the age of 18. 22 As far as all of the girls that have been 23 interviewed, the majority definitely were under 18. To 24 give you a number, 1 would have to go and count, but I 25 would say in the state investigation there were over 25 OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085306 17 1 girls identified and more than a majority would have 2 been under the age of 18. 3 Q A Grand Juror asked whether we have obtained 4 Mr. Epstein's DNA and whether there was any DNA testing 5 of the baby that you spoke of earlier. 6 A No, we have not. 7 Q A Grand Juror asked how Mr. Epstein would make 8 contact with the girls, was this done via computer or in 9 some other method? 10 A I am sorry, , his personal 11 assistant, would contact, or on some occasions 12 would also contact the girls via their cell 13 phone and we have message pads from the residents that 14 also indicate the girls calling the home in response to 15 some of those phone calls, so they would call, 16 would call, the majority of the calls were made 17 by to the girls arranging for these, you 18 know, can you come at this time, can you come at that 19 time. 20 Q And is the cellular telephone a facility of 21 interstate commerce? 22 A Yes, it is. 23 Q And then one of the Grand Jurors asked whether 24 the assistants knew that the girls were underage or 25 committed sex acts. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085307 18 1 2 3 4 5 Did anybody, have you interviewed anybody who affirmatively told you that they told their age or what was going on behind closed doors? A No, no, not at this time, not at this time. Q And what leads you to believe that she, for 6 example, knew or should have known what was 7 going on? 8 A There are so many girls that 9 contacted to give mr. Epstein massages that have no 10 training in massages, and that was aware 11 that girls were bringing other girls, you know, their 12 friends to do these massages. 13 was also making appointments for 14 legitimate massages for Mr. Epstein from legitimate 15 masseuses that would come and give him massages, so the 16 number of girls, their appearances at the time would 17 lead us to believe that had knowledge that 18 these girls were underage. 19 Q All right. Thank you very much. Those were 20 all the questions from the Grand Jury. 21 A GRAND JUROR: Actually, I have two more, 22 but. 23 Okay. 24 A GRAND JUROR: what was the actual age range 25 of these girls? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085308 19 1 THE WITNESS: 14 to I mean. 2 A GRAND JUROR: The other one was, how did Ms. 3 actually originally get these girls, how 4 were they brought in, I mean how were they, you 5 know, because you said she called them when he was 6 arriving, but how did these girls come into this in 7 the first place? 8 A GRAND JUROR: Could she speak louder? 9 , we 10 just had a request that you speak louder. 11 A GRAND JUROR: 14 and what? 12 THE WITNESS: Our victims were 14 to 17, but 13 we have girls that are 18, we have girls that are 14 20, we have girls that are in their early 20s, and 15 your question was? 16 A GRAND JUROR: How did she originally get 17 them in in the first place? 18 THE WITNESS: We are focusing in on 2004, 19 2005, we have some evidence to show that this 20 activity was taking place even earlier than that, 21 certainly to include 2003 if you look at the 22 message pads, but focusing in on 2004, 2005, the 23 chain started with one of our minors and from that 24 minor who goes to the house, Mr. Epstein tells 25 her -- sees that she is maybe not comfortable with OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085309 20 1 doing the massage the way he would like it and 2 tells her that she could bring other girls to do 3 the massages and she in fact if she brought another 4 girl she would be paid $200 for just bringing 5 another girl, so there starts the chain, and 6 Mr. Epstein would ask the girls or would ask 7 the girls for their phone numbers so each time, you 8 know, if one of the girls brought a girl and he 9 liked her he would ask for her phone number, ask 10 her to leave the phone number, or 11 would get the phone number and then that girl would 12 maybe bring, because if you brought somebody you 13 didn't have to do the massage, but you also got 14 paid for bringing a new person, so not only if you 15 did the massage would you get anywhere from 200 to 16 400, but if you brought a new female you would 17 receive 200 or $400. 18 A GRAND JUROR: Do you know how she solicited 19 that original minor? 20 THE WITNESS: I don't. well, I know that 21 minor was approached by two individuals and we have 22 interviewed one of those individuals who we can 23 connect back to Mr. Epstein four years, possibly, 24 prior to this, and stated that his job was actually 25 to drive some of the girls to the residence and OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085310 21 1 that's pretty much where we start off. 2 3 Would the Grand Jury like to maintain the records 4 that we received in response to the subpoenas? 5 A GRAND JUROR: Maintain versus what? 6 A GRAND JUROR: What is our choice? 7 I don't know that there is. I 8 guess I could maintain them, but I don't believe we 9 have secure storage in here. 10 would you like 5, to 11 maintain custody? 12 A GRAND JUROR: Yes. 13 : You should have something to 14 swear her in as a custodian. 15 (The witness was sworn in as the custodian of 16 records.) 17 : Thank you, ladies and 18 gentlemen, I am the last person for today, so you 19 guys are free to go and we will see you probably in 20 a couple of weeks, we will be seeing a lot of you. 21 (The witness was excused from the Grand Jury 22 room.) 23 (The testimony of the witness concluded 24 before the Grand Jury.) 25 OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085311 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER I certify pages 2 through 21 are a true transcript of my shorthand notes of the testimony of )efore the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida on the 6th day of February, 2007. Notary Public Commission . Expires May 8, 2008 OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE EFTA00085312 • UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR APPEARANCES: ESQUIRE Federal Grand Jury, 07-103 West Palm Beach, Florida February 27, 2007 Assistant United States Attorney Foreperson ORIGINAL EFTA00085313 1 The sworn testimony of Page 2 2 was taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm 3 Beach Division, West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, 4 State of Florida, on the 27th day of February, 2007. 5 Court Reporter, was authorized to 6 and did report the sworn testimony. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EFTA00085314 2 (The witness entered the grand jury Page 3 room.) 3 having been duly sworn by the grand jury foreperson, 4 was examined and testified on her oath as follows: 5 EXAMINATION 6 BY 7 Q Good morning, . Could 8 you restate and spell your name for the record. 9 A It's 10 11 Q Can you remind the grand jury who you are 12 employed by? 13 A The FBI. 14 Q I know that you testified here a few weeks ago. 15 Was there anything from that testimony that you wanted to 16 correct? 17 A I did. I was asked by one of you Mr. Epstein's 18 age, and I confused him with another individual in another 19 one of my cases. His birthdate is January 20, 1953. We 20 are looking at the time period of 2004 and 2005. So 21 Mr. Epstein would have been about 51 or 52-years-old, and 22 I believe I told you he was 45. So at the time we're 23 looking during this investigation, he is 51 or 52. 24 Q , how did this case first come 25 to the attention of the police? EFTA00085315 Page 4 1 A In March of 2005, our youngest 2 identified victim -- called the Palm Beach 3 police department and reported that she believed that her 4 had been molested by a male that resided in 5 the town of Palm Beach. 6 So today we are going to talk about 7 A Yes. 8 Q And we are using her initial to protect her 9 identity, correct? 10 A Yes. 11 Q Can you tell the grand jury date of 12 birth? 13 A birthday is 14 Q And you mentioned that the call came in ttom 15 in March of 2005, correct? 16 A Yes. 17 Q So how old was at that time? 18 A She was 14. 19 Q Where does live? 20 A lives in the Loxahatchee-Royal Palm Beach 21 area here in Palm Beach County. 22 At the time, in 2005, what school was she 23 attending? 24 A 25 Q What year was she in school? EFTA00085316 1 2 3 4 A She was a ninth-grader Q You mentioned that her Palm Beach police department. What department do in response to that there. Page 5 called the police did the call? 5 A They wanted to interview I believe it was 6 the next day they went out to where =Gas attending 7 8 9 school at that time, interviewed at of what took place. which I think was They d wanted to get her side 10 Q Because we'll be referring to this throughout, 11 12 what was the name of the detective who conducted that first interview? 13 A Detective 14 Q So in March of 2005, detective talked with 15 Was ever interviewed at any other times? 16 A Yes. She was interviewed -- they talked to her 17 again. She placed some controlled calls for them later 18 that month, we will talk about that later. As well as 19 she was interviewed about a year later in July of 2006. 20 Not interviewed, but she testified before the grand jury 21 for the State of Florida. So she was interviewed by 22 detective Pagan in March of 2005, and then about a year or 23 three or four months later, in July of 2006, she testified 24 before a grand jury with the State of Florida. 25 Q In preparation for your appearance today, did EFTA00085317 1 Page 6 you have a chance to interview 2 A Yes, I did. 3 Q And when was that? 4 A Last night. 5 Q Back in March of 2005, you mentioned that 6 detective met with on or more than one 7 occasion? 8 A Yes. 9 Q If you could give us sort of an overview of what 10 reported during these interviews, and then if there 11 are specific discrepancies or differences, we will return 12 to those later. 13 A All right. On February 5, 2005, it was a 14 Saturday, and was at house, She 15 was there with her boyfriend, because these And 16 are minors, we'll refer to them without using their last 17 names, so I'll use those initials. 18 They were at residence, and is 19 boyfriend, which is also cousin. So they 20 were all at house, and on the phone with was 21 an individual that prefers to as the assistant. 22 described the assistant as a tall blonde. 23 So throughout I'll refer to her as the blonde lady, if 24 that's okay. was unable to recall her name. So 25 is on the phone with the assistant for Jeffrey EFTA00085318 1 2 3 4 Epstein. describing the phone. So and overhear Page 7 on the phone to the lady on phone, and (describing when gets off the 5 both want to know why was being described to 6 this lady on the phone. Zach becomes upset when 7 asks if she would like to go to Palm Beach and give a 8 man a massage that she knows. agrees, and this 9 upsets'''. and an argument ensues wherell'Illand 10 11 go into the bathroom and they argue outside the presence of 12 Q Let me stop you there. Was supposed to be 13 paid for giving this massage? 14 A Yes. told that she would be paid 15 $200 or $300, I believe. 16 0 You mentioned that is boyfriend, and 17 Zach is also cousin, correct? 18 A Yes. 19 20 Q What was idea about why they were arguing? 21 A She has told us that she believed that must 22 have known what was doing for this man and the work 23 24 that did for Mr. Epstein, and that is why was so upset. 25 Q So knew that this wasn't just a regular EFTA00085319 Page 8 1 massage that was going to take place? 2 3 4 5 A decides to go. 6 Q Because she wanted to make the $200 or $300? 7 A Yes. 8 Q So tell us then what happened after that 9 meeting? 10 A The next day, February 6 -- they discussed that 11 12 phone records two calls that were placed. One was placed 13 to Kellin's cell phone, and the other was placed to 14 Jeffrey Epstein's residence the night of February 5. A Yes. Q So and have this argument. What does 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 decide to do? evening about going the next day. We do have on The next day is contacted a couple of times before arrives. Each time prior to being contacted by a call is placed by to Kellin's cell phone. Kellin, I should tell you, is Jeffrey's assistant. So on Sunday a call was placed to Kellin, and then shortly after that a call was made to That same series occurs again, but this timeillilliplaces a call to Mr. Epstein's residence, and then is called again. Eventually, comes to residence with EFTA00085320 another girl in the car, Page 9 So the two of them 2 arrive at residence, and they continue over to 3 Mr. Epstein's house. 4 Q is driving with and . Do you know how they were sitting? A You know, I'm not sure how they were sitting, 7 but I know that it was a pickup truck that drove, 8 and was the driver. I'm not sure exactly the 9 10 placement of the other two girls, but they were in the truck. 11 Q And ■ was able to describe how they travelled 12 to the island of Palm Beach? 13 A Yes. She gave directions -- you know, the best 14 that she could on how she was able to come to 15 Mr. Epstein's residence. 16 17 Once they arrived at the residence, what happened? 18 A I should have mentioned that either the night 19 before or the day of, there were some things that 20 tells One, she tells that she is to tell, if 21 asked, that she is 18-years-of-age, that she attends high 22 school, that she's in the 12th grade, and I believe it was 23 24 Wellington High School that she was to say that she went to. 25 Talking to last night, told us that EFTA00085321 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 once she arrived at the residence Page 10 tells her that she may possibly be asked to take her clothes off. She also tells her that she can stay in her bra, but she may be asked to take her clothes off. And told us last night that that's when she knew for the first time that she might have to possibly remove her clothes. At this point they proceed to enter the residence. =describes him as a security person. He approached and asked what they were doing there, and said they were there to see Mr. Epstein, or see Jeffrey. He allowed them entry into the kitchen area by the pool, and describes that area. So now and are all sitting in the kitchen. A short time goes by and Mr. Epstein, as well as the assistant, enter the kitchen. Q And I know that you mentioned that did not know the name of the lady who was there in the kitchen, correct? A Right. Q She just described her as a blonde, tall lady? Yes. A Q Was that day? A also interviewed about what happened She was interviewed by the Palm Beach police department. EFTA00085322 Page 11 1 Q Did identify the person who was on the 2 phone with her as 3 A Yes, she did. 4 Q So even though ■ doesn't know her name, 5 knew Hame? 6 A Yes. 7 Q So you mentioned that the three girls are in the 8 kitchen, along with Jeffrey and the person ■calls the 9 blonde lady? 10 A Yes. 11 Q What happened then? 12 A follows the blonde lady upstairs to 13 Mr. Epstein's bedroom. The blonde lady proceeds to take 14 out a massage table and set it up, prepare it. She also 15 takes out some lotions to be used during the massage. 16 told me last night that the blonde lady asked her to 17 remove her clothing, and then left the room and said that 18 Mr. Epstein would be in shortly. 19 Q what happened after she left the room? 20 A Shortly after that, Mr. Epstein does come into 21 the room and shakes s hand. told us last night 22 that Mr. Epstein told her to remove her clothing. He 23 leaves the room and comes back in just a towel, and he 24 tells her again to -- she is at that point -- when he 25 walked in the first time she had on her bra and her pants. EFTA00085323 Page 12 1 When he comes back in, he tells her that she needs to take 2 her pants off. So she took her pants off. So now she's 3 in her bra and underwear. 4 Q At some point did Sage tell any of the people who interviewed her what was running through her mind? 6 A She stated at one point that she was upstairs 7 with him, with the man, and that Maas downstairs. I 8 guess she says, "What coul do? She's downstairs, 9 I'm upstairs." So she did what she was asked to do. 10 Q So now you mention that Mr. Epstein is here 11 wearing just a towel, and has removed both her shirt 12 and her pants, is that correct? 13 A Yes. 14 Q Tell us what happens then? 15 A Mr. Epstein gets on the massage table lying on 16 his stomach and instructs how to do the massage. He 17 tells her to put some lotion on her hand and instructs her 18 on how to actually perform the massage. At one point 19 during the massage he tells ■ that she would be more 20 comfortable to get on top of him, so gets on top of 21 him and straddles Mr. Epstein's back. 22 The way describes it is Mr. Epstein is 23 laying on the table, he has a towel covering his bottom, 24 and she is straddling him with her bottom touching the 25 towel and some skin touching his lower back. She was kind EFTA00085324 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 13 of sitting -- it sounds like sitting on his rear end, but with part of her skin touching him -- the front of him, but he had a towel across his bottom. What happens as she is providing the massage to his back? A The massage goes on. She said the entire massage lasted anywhere from 30 to 45 minutes. At one point Mr. Epstein excuses himself for a few minutes, one or two minutes briefly. states that she can hear Mr. Epstein moaning or groaning, and states that she believes he was, in her words, 'wacking off' or masturbating. She didn't say masturbating, she said 'wacking off.' I am going to use that she believes he was masturbating. Then he returns. At this point he gets back on the table lying on his back and asks her to start massaging his chest. So she begins to massage his chest. Q Does he keep the towel on? A No, at this point the towel is removed. When he comes back and he gets back on the table, the towel is removed and she is massaging his chest. Q What does he do as she is massaging his chest? A He moves his hand up and down his penis. So he continued to masturbate on the table. He asked at some point during this time, if she would like to make an EFTA00085325 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 14 extra $100. He tells her that it would not involve doing a massage. agrees. He asked her if he could use a vibrator on her, and she does agree. describes it as a purple vibrator that was used said this goes on for about ten minutes. At some point during that massage the vibrator is not used anymore and takes place. describes him Q What did she say happened when Mr. Epstein digitally penetrated her? A The vibrator is used. At some point he does her. And these are her words. She looks at him kind of funny, and he sarcastically -- which is her word -- he sarcastically says, "What's the matter?" And she at that point just kind of looks away, and he continues on with the In the last three to four minutes of that, he begins to masturbate again. At the conclusion of the sexual activity, Mr. Epstein wipes his penis off with a towel. was asked if he ejaculated. She did not see him ejaculate, but saw him wipe his penis off with a towel. Q Was able to provide a physical description of Mr. Epstein? A Yes. EFTA00085326 1 2 3 4 Page Q Including of his penis? A Yes. was she also able to provide a description of her surroundings in that massage area? 5 A Yes. 6 Was that description accurate? A Yes. According to other testimony we have 8 gotten from other victims, yes. 9 10 Q And a search was performed on Mr. Epstein's house? 11 A Yes. The Palm Beach police department did 12 perform a search, and several of the items that were 13 described were found in the house. 14 15 Q After Mr. Epstein wiped himself off, what happened? 16 A He told that she was getting the extra 1.7 hundred dollars because he was allowed to use the vibrator 18 on her and The massage had been 19 concluded, the sexual activity had been concluded. He 20 gets up and leaves for a brief moment of time and comes 21 back with S300 and pays the $300. I believe he told 22 that she could see herself out. 23 Q Before we leave that room, when was either 24 being directed to the room or was inside that room where 25 the massage took place, was there anything in particular EFTA00085327 Page 16 1 that she noted seeing? 2 A She noted seeing several naked pictures of girls 3 in the room, a mural or pictures of naked girls either 4 exposing their breasts or completely naked. 5 Q While the massage was going on, did Mr. Epstein 6 talk to 7 A Yes, he did. 8 Q And did he talk about sexual conquests with 9 girls? 10 A Yes, he did. 11 Q Once Mr. Epstein has provided with the 12 $300, what did she do? 13 A She went back downstairs and she, and 14 leave the residence. In the car they ask how 15 much money she has made, and she tells them $300. 16 wants to see the money. She shows the money to and 17 asks what did she do. At that point tells her 18 that he fingered her, as well as used a vibrator. 19 Q When they left the house, where did they go? 20 A When they left the house, they were on their way 21 to a mall to go shopping with the money that they had 22 received from Mr. Epstein. had told the night 23 before that she needed some shoes and wanted to go to the 24 mall, and she was going to Mr. Epstein's to pick up some 25 money. That was another reason that she had for going to EFTA00085328 1 2 3 4 Page 17 Mr. Epstein's house that day, and that they were going to go shopping after she got her money, and that could make some money. Q During that ride, did realize that 5 received money from Mr. Epstein? 6 A Yes. At some point knows that 7 received $200, but is unsure that ever gave a 8 massage. So at that particular time did not know why 9 she had gotten the $200, because she didn't think that 10 had had time to give a massage. 11 Q In interview, did she explain what she 12 got the $200 for? 13 A told the Palm Beach police department in 14 her interview that she received her $200 for bringing 15 to the house. 16 Q You mentioned that there were these three 17 different time periods that was interviewed: Shortly 18 after the events, at the time of the state grand jury 19 proceedings, and when you met with her, correct? 20 A Yes. 21 Q And there were some discrepancies between the 22 different interviews. Can you explain some of those to 23 the grand jury. 24 A Before we go and get to that, I want to make 25 sure that -- when we discussed what was told in the EFTA00085329 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 car by that we learned from Page 18 interview with the Palm Beach police department. So I don't know if I said that, but I learned that interview that department and want to make sure you know that we first had bee Dy listening to the was conducted between the Palm Beach police , not from . When I talk later, I just want to make sure you realize that that had not initially come out in interview, but through the interview with So going back. I'm sorry, discrepancies? Q Yes. A I met with ■ last night to discuss some of the discrepancies when looking at what she had talked to detective about in March of 2005 and what she had testified to in the grand jury in July of 2006. Reading the testimony and listening to the tapes, or reading the transcript, there were a few discrepancies. One of the first ones we talked about was what had told her about going to Mr. Epstein's house. She tells detective that she was told about the massage, told about getting $200, but that she was not told that she would have to take her clothes off. She didn't know she would have to perform the massage naked. When I asked her last night that question, she told me that when she got to the house prior to going into EFTA00085330 1 Page 19 1 Mr. Epstein's residence, that did tell her that she 2 may be asked to take off her clothes. She also did state 3 that told her she could stay in her bra. 4 So I wanted you to know that there was a 5 discrepancy in what she originally had told detective 6 Pagan and what she told me last night. That would be one. 7 The second discrepancy I wanted to touch on with 8 her was going upstairs and taking off her clothing. When 9 she is in that room, she states to detective that 10 asked her to remove her clothing, and she took off 11 her shirt. Then Mr. Epstein came in the room, shook her 12 hand and told her to take off her clothes. He leaves, he 13 comes back in a towel. He tells her again. IIIII[ells 14 detective in a stern voice, *Mr. Epstein told me to 15 take off my pants.• Because she hadn't taken off her 16 pants from the first time that she met him. 17 In her testimony with the grand jury with the 18 state, she tells the grand jury that it was who 19 asked her to remove her clothing. So last night we went 20 over with her who told her to remove what. She had a very 21 hard time recalling exactly. She knew she had gotten down 22 to her bra and underwear. And then at some point, when 23 we're going through the sexual activity, she actually 24 tells me that her underwear was off when he was using the 25 vibrator and EFTA00085331 Page 20 1 2 we have in her testimony to the grand jury and her 3 statements made to detective And she really is 4 having a difficult time trying to remember who told her to 5 6 7 that it was Mr. Epstein who told her to take off her 8 pants. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 detective, when she gives her first statement. She tells 17 18 19 she doesn't get fully undressed. And when Jeffrey comes 20 back, he said, "Take your pants off."? 21 A Yes. And again, like I said, when we started 22 interviewing her and asking her about this, she did have a 23 24 25 her pants. take off her clothes and her pants. As we are walking through. the sexual activity, she does recall and states I guess I'll go to the third discrepancy. Is there anything I left off with that? Q Well, does she report that when the assistant leads -- or the blonde lady leads her upstairs, that the blonde lady also said, "Get undressed," but that didn't get fully undressed? A That's what she said in her statement to the us again last night that that's what she recalled. Q That the lady said first, "Get undressed," but Later in the interview, we tell her about what hard time. But when we were walking through the sexual activity, that's when she recalls who told her to take off EFTA00085332 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 21 And I'll tell you, when we talked about the sexual activity, and it comes out that she wasn't wearing her underwear when he was her and using the vibrator, she does not recall how they came off. She cannot remember removing her underwear. She doesn't remember if Mr. Epstein removed her underwear. She knows her underwear was off, but she cannot tell you exactly at what point her underwear was removed. Q Let's talk about the third discrepancy. A The third is the sexual activity, when she was originally interviewed by detective Pagan about the vibrator or being Pagan comes tell her at When detective and sees her again a few weeks later, she does that time that a vibrator was used on her. She also says that to the grand jury, she talks about the purple vibrator being used on her. Last night she told us about the purple vibrator being used on her. When we asked her about him her, and that had told the police department that she had beel told us last night that she by Mr. Epstein, but that she thought only her and knew about this and that she did not want her father to know that hE her. She didn't want anybody to know, but she especially didn't want her father to know, that that was her business. That EFTA00085333 Page 22 1 she did not know that had told anybody, she thought 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 us, afraid that he would be able to read in our reports 12 about this. 13 We explained to her that the FBI's reporting is 14 a little bit different than the way the state -- those are 15 it was only her and that knew. She was embarrassed and didn't want anybody to know that. A being Did she become visually upset? Yes, she began crying when we asked her about When she realized that we knew about that, she became very upset and concerned about her father. She mentioned that her father has read a lot 9 of the reports in the State of Florida, and has followed the state's case. She was concerned about even telling public records, and ours is part of our case file. 16 Q In addition to the fact that she had these 17 concerns about her father and she was embarrassed, in your 18 experience of interviewing victims of sexual abuse, is it 19 typical for them to not disclose all of the sexual 20 activity? 21 A Yes, it's very typical. And young girls, they 22 don't want to talk about it. This is just another case of 23 her not wanting to tell exactly what took place. 24 Q After that first visit to Mr. Epstein's house, 25 and the interviews with detectiveM did detective '-1•11111117, EFTA00085334 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 23 Pagan ask to make what are called controlled calls? A Yes. Q Can you explain to the grand jury what a controlled call is? A A controlled call is where we actually have a listening device, where we have an individual place a call to somebody and we are able to record the other person's voice and the conversation that takes place between the person that we're having make the call and the person that they are calling. Q Who did detective Pagan ask to call? A was asked to call on the phone. Q And did she do so? A Yes, she did. Q Can you tell the grand jury when the calls were? A I believe the first call was made towards the end of March, I believe it was March 30. at the concerned that father had found out somehow called where works. was and that they knew about it. And she refers to him as Jeffrey, but Mr. Epstein. told her that they did not know about Mr. Epstein. Later in the conversation tells her that Mr. Epstein would like her to come back and work for him, and that maybe she could work for him tomorrow. So EFTA00085335 1 2 3 4 they agreed that there would be a call between tomorrow, that will call tomorrow. Q Were there calls also made on March 31 A There were two calls made on March 31. Page 24 and 2006? of The 5 first one she doesn't connect to . The second call 6 that was made a short time later, answers the phone. 7 Again, there is a discussion about coming to work for 8 Mr. Epstein. tells -- one of the comments that 9 is made is, "The more you do, the more you make." is 10 asking her how much can I make. 11 Again, detective Pagan is there, and is 12 asking how much can I make. is telling 13 that she'll have to ask Mr. Epstein that, that she is 14 going to see Mr. Epstein tomorrow and that she'll.talk to 15 Mr. Epstein. There is conversation about and her 16 possibly coming to Mr. Epstein's house. There 17 is some discussion about her coming to work for 18 Mr. Epstein. 19 Q Just so it's clear, because there were a lot of 20 shes, is telling that is going to see 21 Epstein the following day? 22 A Yes. 23 And that is going to set up a schedule 24 with Mr. Epstein for and to work for him? 25 A Yes. EFTA00085336 Page 25 1 2 Q On April 1, the following day, did make calls to 3 A From the Palm Beach police department, they were 4 able to take voice mail messages left by on 5 6 phone stating that could come and work on Saturday around 11:00. 7 Q I think you mentioned this last time, but in 8 case you didn't, did the Palm Beach police department do 9 trash pulls at Mr. Epstein's house? 10 A Yes, they did. 11 Q Was there anything of value related to this 12 series of calls that were recovered? 13 A Yes. There was a trash pull done in the 14 15 beginning of April, and paper that on it had in the trash name, there was a piece of name, and I 16 believe it was 10:30 listed on the piece of paper. 17 Q It said with on Saturday at 10:30? 18 A Yes, it did. 19 Q In addition to the actual recordings of those zo 21 22 23 24 2s phone calls and voice mail messages, do you also have telephone records from both cell phone and cell phone that match up? A Yes. Q Just to go back to something that you mentioned. Who actually gave the $300 cash to at the day she was EFTA00085337 1 at Mr. Page 26 Epstein's house? 2 A Mr. Epstein. 3 Q You mentioned a girl named 4 A Yes. 5 Q Was also interviewed? 6 A Yes, she was. 7 Q Was she asked about going with to take 8 girls to Mr. Epstein's house? 9 10 11 12 13 A Yes. 0 Was she asked who the youngest-looking girl was? A Yes. What did she say? A She discussed looking young in her 14 interview with the Palm Beach police department. is Those are all of my questions 16 for you now. If you could please step outside, I'll 17 see if the grand jurors have any. 18 (Witness excused, and then returned.) 19 BY MS. VILLAFANA: 20 Q we have just a few questions. 21 One relates to the conversation between Mr. Epstein and 22 about his exploits with other girls. Did Mr. Epstein 23 say anything about the age of those girls? 24 A He said that -- in particular on one case he 25 talked about a young girl that he was in the back seat EFTA00085338 1 2 Page 27 with, and her parents were in the front seat. He told that they were having sex in the back seat -- were 3 doing sexual things in the back seat while he was carrying 4 on a conversation with the parents in the front seat. I 5 guess they were on their way home from a business party. 6 This was one of the stories that he had talked about. 7 Q But at no time did he provide any specific ages 8 about any of those girls? 9 A No. 10 Q What was age at the time she took 11 to Mr. Epstein's house? 12 A She was 18. 13 Q Did Mr. Epstein ask anything about her age? 14 A He did. He asked her how old she was, she said 15 she was 18. He asked her what grade she was in, she said 16 she was in the 12th grade. He asked her where she went to 17 school, and she said she went to 18 Q I know we will be doing a lot more discussion 19 about later. But could you tell us briefly how 20 ■ was recruited to go to Mr. Epstein's house? 21 A was at the beach, and two individuals 22 approached her about making money and giving a massage to 23 Mr. Epstein. 24 Q How old was when she first went to 25 Mr. Epstein's house? EFTA00085339 Page 28 1 2 and starting at age 17. 3 4 5 (Witness excused, and then returned.) 6 By 7 8 evidence to suggest that Mr. Epstein knew that was 9 under the age of 18? 10 11 multiple girls that went to Mr. Epstein's house -- the way 12 that having seen last night, and now she's 16 -- this 13 was two years ago -- that age and behavior -- and 14 again, is that more circumstantial evidence? As far as 15 concrete evidence, no. But just by her appearance and her 16 mannerisms and how I observed her last night at age 16. 17 18 during her statement, correct? 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Through phone records, we have contact between Thank you. Q The question was, was there any particular A I would say through the interviews of the Q And that's consistent with what Serena said A Yes, it is. : Those are all the questions. Any other questions? JUROR: Did she look 18? THE WITNESS: Does look 18? Not in my opinion, sir. All right. Any other questions? Okay, thank you, very much. EFTA00085340 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 29 (Witness excused.) CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER I CERTIFY pages 1 to 28 is a true transcript of my shorthand notes of the testimony of before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida, on the 27th day of February, 2007. Dated at West Palm Beach, Florida this 18th day of March, 2007. Court Reporter EFTA00085341 14 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA ORIGINAL RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR TESTIMONY OF SPECIAL AGENT Federal Grand Jury 07-103 Federal Building U.S. Courthouse West Palm Beach, Florida Tuesday, March 20, 2007 APPEARANCES: Assistant united States Attorney Foreperson OFFICIAL RPPORTTNG SERVICE, LLY EFTA00085342 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The sworn testimony of SPECIAL AGENT II was taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, Federal Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach County, State of Florida, on Tuesday, March 20, 2007. Certified Court Reporter and Notary Public, State of Florida, Official Reporting Service, LLC, 524 South Andrews Avenue, Suite 302N, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 33301 , was authorized to and did report the sworn testimony. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085343 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY (Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear that the testimony you give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? THE WITNESS: I do. THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be seated. Q please state and EXAMINATION could you spell your name for the record? A Q It's It's Now Special Agent , last week or the girls, A last time that we met, we discussed correct? Yes. two Q Who visited Mr. Epstein's home? A Yes. Q And those were and A Yes. Q girls? A Did you obtain photographs of those Yes, I did. OFFICIA prunopTiar er°1"CE, LLC EFTA00085344 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And do you know approximately when those photographs were taken? A They were taken during the same time period that we are investigating, '04 and '05. There may have been a few in '03, but it was within a year's time of six months within the activity that we are investigating. Q All right. Let me show you what has been marked as Grand Jury Exhibits 1 and 2, and can you tell us what Exhibit 1 is? A Exhibit 1 is and it's a photograph of her with her date of birth listed. Q And what is Exhibit 2? A A photograph of with her date of birth as well BY those to the Q Now the had described how to Mr. Epstein's A Yes. Q Did Epstein house? A Yes, she did. on it. And I will just pass grand jury. last time that we were had brought here, you home? bring other girls to the OFFICIAJ RVP(IPTTNn RPPVTCE, LLC EFTA00085345 1 Q And is one of those girls 2 A Yes. 3 Q And what is the date of birth of 4 S A She was born 6 Q And where did go to high 7 school? 8 A 9 10 11 A 12 13 school? 14 A Yes, she was. 15 Q Tell us a little bit about -- well, 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And is that the same school that went to? Yes. And was ever a student at that first of all, did the Palm Beach Police Department have a chance to interview A Yes, they did. Q And what about yourself? A And I did as well. Q Okay. Tell us, if you will, how started going to Mr. Epstein's house? A was the one who brought to Mr. Epstein's house. told that she may have to remove her clothing and that she could OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085346 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 makes $200 if she performed a massage for Mr. Epstein. She also was told by that he may try to touch you, but if you are uncomfortable, just tell him no, and she also said that if Epstein asked her age, she was to say she was 18. Q Now that information that you just relayed, who provided that information? A Q And what did A I'm sorry. provided in the interview to me that information. Q Did also admit that she brought to Mr. home? Epstein's A Yes. Q When did this first occur? A This occurred in -- we believe the first time period was when was 16. Q And is there any telephone records that show communications between and A Q '04 when and Yes. And when and are those phone records? Those phone records show up in March of would be 16. OFFICIAL RFPORTTNfl SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085347 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Let me show what has been marked as Grand Jury Exhibit Number 3, and what is Exhibit 3? A This is a hoto raph of with her date of birth, Q Now you mentioned that in March of 2004 and April of 2004, there are these records of phone calls and did say how old she was when she first went to Mr. Epstein's house? A I'm sorry. Did say how old she was? Q Did she tell you or the police officers how old she was? A Yes. I'm sorry. I thought your question was did she tell Mr. Epstein. She told me that she was 16 when she went to Mr. Epstein's house. Q Okay. That is consistent with those phones calls? A Yes, it is. Q Okay. Now during her first visit with Mr. Epstein, what happened? A She went to Mr. Epstein's house. took her there. told her she didn't have her driver's license at that time, which she told OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085348 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 her she got her driver's license when she was 17. So drove her to Mr. Epstein's house. She provided Mr. Epstein with a few massages. She remained clothed both times that she gave him a massage. At this time, she kept her clothes on. I think one time she was wearing shorts and a T-shirt, maybe the second time she was wearing jeans and a T-shirt. That he constantly grabbed and pulled at her during the massage trying to draw her closer to him, but at that time, you know, there was no sexual activity other than the grabbing and pulling. There was no sexual activity that took place on those first couple of massages, and she remained clothed at that time. Q Now after those first few massages, was there a break in time before returns to the Epstein house? A told us that she and had had some kind of a fight or a disagreement, a breakup in their relationship, so there was a time period where she did not go back to Mr. Epstein's house. Q And when -- did there then come a time OFFICIAT RRPORTING SFRVT - E, LLC EFTA00085349 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 when she returned to the Epstein house? A Yes. We have phone activity between of '04. and beginning in December Q And of '04? how old was in December A She had turned 17 at that time. In fact, through the course of the phone records beginning in December of '04 to October of 2005, we have over 150 phone calls between and , Mr. Epstein's assistant. Q What did tell you about the activity that occurred when she started returning in late '04? A When she started giving Mr. Epstein massages after that break, the massages became much more sexual in nature. Mr. Epstein continued to push and there were many times when would perform massages completely nude. Several times, she would stay in her underwear with no bra on, but stated to me that many occasions she performed the massages to Mr. Epstein in the nude. In addition to being unclothed, was there other sexual activity? OFFICIAL REPORTING svIRVTCE, LLC EFTA00085350 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Yes, interview with discussing the that time. there was. during my she became very upset when sexual activity that took place at She stated that Mr. Epstein had digitally penetrated her. It began first by rubbing her on the outside of on more than one occasion actuallyl with and then He would request her to pinch his nipples. He rubbed her breasts as well. She stated that there was a vibrator that was used on as well, but that she described the vibrator as being a white vibrator with a gray head, and several of the other victims have said the same thing, described it similar to that. Q And just I forget, when you testified about also report having a vibrator used on her? A Yes. Q And, again, so the record is clear, when you are talking about these vibrators, they are the large back massager type vibrator? A We have had some girls just describe OFFICIAL PPPrIPTIMC - CE, LLC EFTA00085351 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 them as a vibrator. We have had some girls just describe them as a back massager and then we also had girls describe them as both, because of the size of it, I think some girls are more aware of what a vibrator would look like due to their ages. You know, I don't know that everybody knew exactly what a sexual vibrator looked like, but they all vibrated, and we have actually had that described, and described it as both, a vibrator slash massager, saying that it was, you know, large in nature. Q Okay. Now in addition to using that massager and was there other sexual activity? A Yes. Several times during the massages, Mr. Epstein would have straddle him while he laid on his stomach and then he would reach between her legs and masturbate and occasionally -- Q And this is when he was laying on his back not his stomach? A I'm sorry. Did I say that? Q You said on his stomach. A He is laying on his back. She's on top of him straddled, and he is reaching between her OFFICIAL REDORTINC SPRVTCE, LLC EFTA00085352 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 masturbating, and he has attempted to put his penis on never penetrating her, but that was what was described to us by Q Now when was first interviewed by the Palm Beach Police? A She was interviewed October 6th of 2005. Q And at that time, did she say when her last visit was to Mr. Epstein's house? A Yes, she said October 1st, 2005, was the last massage that she had given Mr. Epstein. Is there any other evidence that was recovered from Mr. Epstein's or his household items that would confirm that statement? A We have a message pad. During the search warrant, several of the message pads -- I don't know if we referred to them at this stage. We may not have. We recovered -- well, I shouldn't say we, the Palm Beach Police Department recovered several message pads. They were carbon copy message pads. So we have several of those books from their search warrant and in there, there is a message on October 1st confirming appointment for the massage as well as another 7 OFFICIAL EPORTING SFRV CE, LLC EFTA00085353 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 girl, Q And is there also evidence that and actually spoke on October 1st before that message? A We have cell phone calls between and was from as well as the message which to Jeffre the appointment for regarding -- confirming but we have a cell phone call I believe it was a little bit earlier from to )r maybe it was , but it is definitely between the two of them on that same day. Q All right. When to was interviewed by the Palm Beach Police Department, did she describe all of the sexual activity? A No, she did about the vibrator or about the vibrator or Q And, again, not. She did not tell them the -- she didn't tell them you said that when you brought up -- did you sort of confront her with the idea that more had occurred? A I did, and she was very embarrassed about the vibrator. I asked her at one point if Mr. Epstein had given her any gifts and she got very red in the face and began to tear up and you OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085354 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 could see that she was very embarrassed. So we took a little bit of a break, but then she was able to say that Mr. Epstein had provided her as a birthday present a vibrator. So not only was there a vibrator back massager used on her, kind of but at this what got time -- and I think that's talking about the sexual activity that she was able to tell me that, and she was Epstein very, very embarrassed, but that Mr. had given her for her eighteenth birthday a vibrator. Q Now you mentioned that that happened on her eighteenth birthday? A Yes. Q And was she able to tell you whether Mr. Epstein knew it was her eighteenth birthday? A She stated that Mr. Epstein provided to her on her eighteenth birthday the vibrator and shortly well -- Q So before you had said that had instructed to tell everyone that she was 18; do you remember that? A Yes. Q But at some point, the people in the Epstein household learned that she hadn't turned OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085355 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 18 yet and her birthday was coming up? A Her birthday was coming up. Q And at some point, was a car provided Yes. In October of '05, asked Mr. Epstein is she could borrow one of his cars to go to Orlando and he stated that -- at first he said yes, and then he said he would get her a rental car. So contacted a few days later and said that a car had been rented for and that the house manager used the company credit card and picked up that car, and actually when the police interviewed her on October 6th, which was five or six days after the last massage, they were able to see that that Nissan Sentra that had been rented by Mr. Epstein, had that in her possession for at least through January 1st of 2006 and that car was rented by Mr. Epstein for at least that amount of time. describe how the massage appointments would be made? A Yes, she did. Q And how was that? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085356 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A She stated that , that , Jeffrey's assistant, would call her and set up appointments, and that sometimes she would call her on her cell phone from New York, from the Islands, and say that they were coming into town, was she available. She would also call while they were in town to see if she was available for massages, to give massages to Mr. Epstein, and stated that , who we have identified as , called her a few times as well to set appointments up. O And when those appointments were made how would reach A By phone. Q All right. And whether she was in town or out of town, she would call cell phone? A Yes. Q All right. Now was there any -- during the interview with the police department, did the police department ask about what she discussed with Jeffrey Epstein during the massages? A I would have to check the police reports OFFICIAL RPPORTINC cwwvlcE, LLC EFTA00085357 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to give specifics on that. Q All right. A My answer to your question is yes. Q Okay. And what did she say were some of the topics of discussion? A Mr. Epstein asked her questions about herself, asked her if she was a soccer player or that -- Jeffrey knew that she was a soccer player and asked questions about her college, about where she was going to school. is currently going to and she had advised Mr. Epstein that she would be attending college at Q So that was a -- but that was her future plan? A Yes. Q So in other words, did Mr. Epstein know that she was in high school at the time? A asked told the Palm care what Q Now did or to the Yes, he did. And the Palm Beach Police if Jeffrey knew her age and Beach Police Department, he didn't my age was. describe either to you police department how she would be paid for these massages? OFFICIAL Tflfli1T1TrOje , ^-fl- 7CE, LLC EFTA00085358 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 She stated she was paid $200 and that she received anywhere from two to $300. Q With every visit? A With each visit. Q Okay. Did she say who would provide her with that money? A She said that Jeffrey paid her at the end of the massage. Q All right. You mentioned the gift of the vibrator. Were there other gifts that were given to Yes. The time period is unclear, but the vibrator was given to her for her eighteenth birthday. There were three sets of bra and underwear, panties, Victoria Secret bra and underwear sets that were also given teas gifts from Mr. Epstein. Q Now I know that we talked earlier about the fact that is the person who brought to Mr. Epstein's house. 'Did bring anyone to Mr. Epstein's house? A brought a female m of and that was a friend of Q And let me show you what has been marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 4, and what is Grand Jury OFFICIAL PPPIIRTTNn SRRVIMF, LLC EFTA00085359 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Exhibit 4? A It's a photograph of date of birth of Q How old was her to Mr. Epstein's house? A 2005 and Q when with a took ook her there in the spring of was 18 at that time. Now can you tell us now went about bringing to the house? A told that she could make some money giving and together. a massage to Mr. Epstein and went to Mr. Epstein's house The first time that ent there, she did not go upstairs and give him a massage was working that day. But in talking to further, stated that she probably over the period of time between the spring of '05 and October of '05, performed around five to ten massages for Mr. Epstein. The first few of those he did not do anything as far as no masturbating, no sexual activity. She would just perform a massage. Q And did that change over time? A Yes, it did. She stated that she OFFICIAL RVPORTING gPRVICE, LLC EFTA00085360 20 1 performed two to three massages out of those five 2 or ten and in her underwear and bra only, and 3 that he would push her each time. 4 He would just push her to do more and on 5 the third -- I believe she stated the third or 6 fourth massage, he told her that she could make 7 more money if she removed her clothing, because 8 she stayed clothed during the first few massages, 9 and she was paid $200 for each of those massages. 10 On the third or fourth massage, Mr. 11 Epstein said that she could make more money if she 12 removed her clothing. So around the fourth or 13 fifth time, she did start taking off her clothing 14 down to her underwear and bra only. 15 Q And then what happened when she was at 16 that point of being unclothed? 17 A She would perform the massage. He 18 attempted to touch her, but she always would say 19 no. At one point, her bra does get undone by Mr. 20 Epstein, but she does keep it up. 21 Now that was the extent of his touching 22 At some point, did he begin masturbating 23 in front of her? 24 A Yes, he did. Not in the very beginning, 25 but throughout this he did. Now I should tell you OFFICIAL REPORTING SRRVTCF, LLC EFTA00085361 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 stated to us that because she was kind of reserved or held back as he made advances towards her, she was able to see Mr. Epstein's penis and that he was masturbating, but that he never finished, that he never ejaculated. She did not feel that Mr. Epstein liked her very much. Q But just to sort of compare what said with what said, they both said that at the beginning they remained clothed? A Yes. Q And that Mr. Epstein progressively pushed and pushed and pushed for more sexual activity? A Yes. Q Now what was the period of time that went to Mr. Epstein's home? A March of -- I'm sorry, spring of '05 is when said that she went there and around, you know, the investigation is heating up with Palm Beach, so we know that in September of '05, there was a trash pull done, and in that trash pull there was a message and that was found and it stated -- it had phone number on it and it stated, for a good time call OFFICIAL RPPORTTNn SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085362 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And whose stationery was that? A It was on Jeffrey Epstein's stationery. Q And had Jeffrey Epstein been in a Palm Beach resident close to those dates? A Yes. Q Now is there evidence of telephone calls between and A Yes. Q And how many phone calls have you been able to identify? A At this time, there have been 14 phone calls. Q All right. And just to compare that to the number of phone calls with A With there was over 150 phone calls between and And that is sort of consistent with the of massages that did versus the of massages that did? It is consistent with especially the Q number number A activity that compared to the activity that provide. was providing Mr. Epstein would (Thereupon, knocking is heard at the Grand Jury door.) OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085363 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Let me just step out for one moment. exits the Grand Jury Room.) enters the Grand Jury Room.) Ladies and gentlemen, I am going to have to take a break now and we will be back either next week or the following week. Thank you very much. You are done for the day. (Witness was excused.) CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER Certified Court Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the transcript is a true and correct transcription of my stenotype notes of the testimony of SPECIAL AGENT ■ the Federal Grand taken before Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida. A ANG OCCI, CSR #4869 Certified Co rt Reporter OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085364 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR COPY SPECIAL AGENT APPEARANCES: / TESTIMONY Ar Federal Grand Jury 07-103 Federal Building U.S. Courthouse West Palm Beach, Florida Tuesday, April 24, 2007 Assistant United States Attorney Foreperson OFFICIAL PFACIRTTNn CFPVT CE, LLC EFTA00085365 1 The sworn testimony of SPECIAL AGENT 2 was taken before the 3 Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, 4 Federal Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach 5 County, State of Florida, on Tuesday, April 24, 6 2007. 7 Certified Court 8 Reporter and Notary Public, State of Florida, 9 Official Reporting Service, LLC, 524 South Andrews 10 Avenue, Suite 302N, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 11 33301 , was authorized to and did report the sworn 12 testimony. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085366 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear that the testimony you give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? THE WITNESS: I do. THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be seated. EXAMINATION Q Special Agent would you just remind the grand jurors who you are and who you work for? A My name is a special agent with the FBI and I work here in Palm Beach. Q Special Agent can you tell the grand jurors who will be appearing before them this afternoon? A One of our victims, who was a minor at the time that she met Mr. Epstein. And have you previously testified about OFFICIAL p7DrIPMTMr erPW CE, LLC Yes, I have. EFTA00085367 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Did you attempt to interview her? She's going to be coming in, and she is not a minor anymore, so what is her full name? A Her name is and I did attempt to interview and was interviewed by Palm Beach Police Department and because of the statements she provided to the police department, she felt as if she needed a lawyer. So when I attempted to interview her, we ended up going through her lawyer. Q And just so the grand jury has a little bit of background, the interview with the Palm Beach Police Department was quite some time ago? A Yes, it was, Q And when conversation with the pol forthcoming? A Yes, she was. Q Q interview with the police? A The police just let in the fall of '05. started that ce, she was very Fully cooperative? Yes. And what happened in the middle of that know that she could be charged because brought some of the girls to Mr. Epstein and the police -- she was OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085368 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 very cooperative, but the police at that point had to let could be 0 know that what she had done that she facing charges. And that wa•s after they had told her earlier that she didn't need an attorney present, correct? A Exactly. Okay. So this happens to her with the Palm Beach Police Department and did the Palm Beach Police actually present or propose charging Ms. A They did get a probable cause affidavit against Q And is that why Ms. and her attorney were concerned about her testimony here? A Yes. Q Now was a subpoena issued for Ms. on behalf of this grand jury? A Yes, it was. Q And before Ms. would comply with that, did she -- did her attorney request some sort of order? A Yes. Q And what did he ask for? A He asked for immunity for OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085369 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And let me show you the order, that is a sealed order in these grand jury proceedings. Now the immunity that has been provided for Ms. keeps her statements that are made here from being used against her? A Yes, it does. Q It doesn't -- if she commits perjury and she lies to the grand jury, can she still be charged? A Yes, she can. Q Okay. Could you read that? I know it is only two pages. A Sealed order, on application of the United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Florida and it appearing to the satisfaction of the court that has been called to testify and to provide other information before the United States District Court, the Southern District of Florida, including a grand jury impaneled therein. And number two, that in a judgment of the said United States Attorneys, has refused to testify and provide other information on the basis of her privilege against self incrimination. OFFICIAL REPORTINC; SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085370 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And that number three, in the judgment of the United States Attorneys, the testimony and other information from made necessary to the public interest. And number four, that the aforesaid application has been made with the approval of the Assistant Attorney General in charge of the criminal division of the Department of Justice or a duly designated acting Assistant Attorney General pursuant to the authority vested in him by Title 18, United States Code, Section 6003, and Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Section 0.175 and 0.132, small e. Now, therefore, it is ordered pursuant to Title 18, United States Code, Section 6002, give testimony and provide other information which she refuses to give or to provide on the basis of her privilege against self incrimination as to all matters about which she may be interrogated before said United States District Court including a grand jury impaneled therein as well as any subsequent proceeding or trial. However, no testimony or other information compelled under this order or any EFTA00085371 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 information directly or indirectly derived from such testimony or other information may be used against in any criminal case except a prosecution for perjury giving a false statement or otherwise failing to comply with this order. It is further ordered that this order shall be sealed in accordance with said Federal Regulations Criminal. BY Q Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure. A Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure, it's abbreviated, 6, little e, 6, except that a copy of this order shall be provided to counsel for the United States who may disclose the existence of the order to members of the grand jury, to the witness, to the counsel for the witness, and to law enforcement officers engaged in the investigation pending before the grand jury. Those persons may review the order, but may not retain a copy of the order nor may it disclose the existence of the order to any others. Done and ordered the 16th day of April 2007, at West Palm Beach, Florida. The United States District Judge Donald M. Middlebrook, AUSA. OFFICIAL RrPrIRTTNC: SW121/I B, LLC EFTA00085372 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q All right. So has a copy or has this document been shown to counsel for Ms. A Yes, it has. Q And to Ms. A Yes. Q And will Ms. be here this afternoon? A Yes, she will. Q Have you had a chance to sit with her? A Yes, we have. Q And she has been very forthcoming? A She's very cooperative. Q Okay. I don't have any further questions for the witness. Do you have any questions? All right. Seeing no questions, you are excused and I think that right now you are set to come back at 1 :15. How does 1 :30 sound? Is that all right? THE FOREPERSON: Fine. (Witness was excused.) OFFICIAL prnflpenTmr cc) " T CE, LLC EFTA00085373 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER , Certified Court Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the transcript is a true and correct transcription of my stenotype notes of the testimony of SPECIAL AGENT taken before the Federal Grand Jury Woqt Palm Floarh Florida Certitled Codtt Reporter OFFICIAL RFPORTTNG RFIRVT E, LLC EFTA00085374 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR TESTIMONY OF COPY Federal Grand Jury 07-103 Federal Building U.S. Courthouse West Palm Beach, Florida Tuesday, April 24, 2007 APPEARANCES: Assistant United States Attorney roreperson OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085375 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The sworn testimony of was taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, Federal Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach County, State of Florida, on Tuesday, April 24, 2007. Certified Court Reporter and Notary Public, State of Florida, Official Reporting Service, LLC, 524 South Andrews Avenue, Suite 302N, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 33301 , was authorized to and did report the sworn testimony. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085376 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY (Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear that the testimony you give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? THE WITNESS: I do. THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be seated. EXAMINATION Good afternoon, Ms. Could you state and spell your name for the record? A A address? A Florida parents A And where do you currently live? I live -- do you want me to give the Sure. kest Palm Beach, 33412. Okay. And you are living with your now? Yes. Were you served with a subpoena to appear before the grand jury today? A Yes. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085377 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And do you understand that an order was signed by a judge compelling you to appear and answer questions? A Yes. Q And that order states that what you tell the grand jury won't be used against unless you perjure yourself? A Yes. Q Do you understand that you are under oath, and if you don't tell the truth -- A I can go to jail, yes. Q Okay. Let's start with where you went to high school. A Royal Palm Beach High School. Q How old are you today? A Twenty-one. Q And what is your date of birth? A Q What year did you graduate from A Q And where are you currently working? A I currently am not working. Q But you are starting a new job? A Thursday. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085378 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Where will that be? A Fort Lauderdale, Coral Springs. Q What type of position will that be? A Waitressing. Q Have you worked since the time that you graduated from high school? A Uh-huh. Q Can you tell the grand jury what type of jobs you have had? A I worked at Q When you were in high school, where did you work? A Q And do you know Jeffrey Epstein? A Yes, I do. Q Can you tell the grand jury how you first came to meet Mr. Epstein? A I met Epstein through two acquaintances, and , and I met them at a beach resort. They made a proposition to me. Later then I picked them up and they gave me directions to the house and that's where I was formerly introduced OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085379 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to Mr. Epstein. Q Okay. And let me just go back over that a little bit. You mentioned that you had two acquaintances, and and you met them at a beach resort, correct? A Yes. Q And you said that they made a proposition to you. What was that exactly? A had asked me if I wanted to make money and she was working for this guy, Epstein, in Palm Beach. So I told her I was interested and she further went into detail about massaging him, that you would have to take off articles of clothing and there would be touching and fondling involved. Q How old were you when this happened? A About 16. Q And how old was A Same age. Q And how did you know A We went to middle school together. Q And she was in your same grade in high school? A Yeah. Q And you mentioned that had OFFICIAL RPPORTTNn SFPVTCE, LLC EFTA00085380 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 previously worked for Epstein or was currently working for Epstein? A Yes, that's right. Q So they explained this proposal to you and you said that you would be interested? A Yes. Q What happened next? A Within a couple of days to a week I picked them up and I went to his house to work for him and I was introduced to , who is his assistant. She took me upstairs to Epstein's bedroom and that's where the massage took place. I was naked and he tried fondling me and I wouldn't have it, so after the massage he gave me another proposition to bring girls to the house and for every girl that I brought I would make $200. Q All right. We'll go back over that a little more slowly. I know this is a lot of information. So let's go back to the proposition that and made to you. Did they say you would be paid for massaging Mr. Epstein? A Yes. And how much would you be paid? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085381 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A $200. Q Now you said that they had told you that you might have to take your clothing off? A They told me that I was expected to take my clothing off and that there would be fondling. Q Okay. And what -- did they explain what fondling meant? A Just that he'd be touching me. Q Okay. And so you agreed to do that and you went to Mr. Epstein's home? A Correct. Q And where was that located? A Palm Beach, Brillo Way. B-R -I -L-L-O? A Yes. Q And when you arrived at the home, you said that you were driving with and A That is correct. Q Tell us how you got into the house. A We went through a gate on the side of the house that led to the back and we just rang the doorbell and answered the door and we were standing in the kitchen and then brought me upstairs. Q Okay. Now did you have any -- did OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085382 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 tell you anything about what you would do when you got upstairs? A No, she never discussed that with me. Q Did she say anything to you about taking your clothes off? A No, she never discussed that with me. Q Okay. When you arrived upstairs, you said that you went into a bedroom? A That is correct. • Q What was in the bedroom? A It was a bedroom that had a door that led to then I want to say a bigger more than just a bathroom. It was a bigger room with like a pretty large size walk-in closet, a shower, a steam shower, and then two sinks on the right, and in the middle laid the massage table, and then to the left there was two couches. • And so the massage table was already set up when you arrived? A That is correct. Q Okay. And after led you up to the bedroom, what did she do? A She had left and that's when Epstein came in. Q Okay. And when Mr. Epstein came in, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085383 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 what was he wearing? A He was wearing a towel. Q Okay. And nothing else? A Nothing else. Q And what did he do? A He laid on the table and that's when the massage began and later on he -- when he got in, I took off my clothes and I was just wearing my bottoms, and he later tried to touch me and he grabbed my butt, and that's when I had a problem. I told him that I didn't feel comfortable. So later he took the towel off and he was laying on his back and he started to masturbate asking me to squeeze his nipples really hard to ejaculation and then after that everything was done. Q Okay. So when Mr. Epstein ejaculated then the massage or whatever was over? A Yes, it was. Q And once that happened, what did he do? A Just got up and dried himself off and then walked me downstairs. Q And you got dressed as well? A That's right. Q And when you got back downstairs, what OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085384 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 happened? A I went back into the kitchen and he pulled and aside and then we just 'lift Of course, I got paid. Q Okay. And tell us where you got paid, who paid you, and how much you received? A Epstein paid me. I received 200, but I cannot recall if it was upstairs that he paid me or if he waited until I got back downstairs. Q Okay. And when he paid you the $200, was it in small bills, large bills? A Big bills, 100s. Q Okay. So two 100 dollar bills. And you said that he pulled -nd aside. Do you know what that was about? A He would never pay them in front of me. He always was funny about that. So I'm sure it was just paying them for bringing me. Q Okay. And you mentioned that you told Mr. Epstein that you were uncomfortable with him touching you? A That's correct. Q And what became of that? A Later on before I left he had addressed me to not massage him anymore, but asked me if I OFFICIAL RFPORTTNn RFRVT E, LLC EFTA00085385 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 could bring girls over and for every girl that I brought to the table he would pay me $200. Q Okay. So you weren't comfortable with him touching you, so you weren't going to do any more massages? A No. Q He wanted you to find other girls? A That's correct. Q And he wanted girls that would let him touch them? A Uh-huh. Q After that first massage, did you perform any other massages at his house? A Absolutely not.• Q Did you bring girls? A That's correct. Q Tell us how you started to bring girls to Mr. Epstein's house. A Just girls that I met in high school, acquaintances, people that I just said hi and bye to. A lot of them actually heard about it through a couple of girls that I brought and they were interested. Some of the girls asked me about_ it Just girls in school I'd talk to, just get on the OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085386 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 subject. They had no problem with it. Q Okay. So when you found a girl that you thought would be interested, what exactly would you tell her? A I asked them if they were interested in making extra money and that I knew an older wealthier man in Palm Beach who liked to have massages and they would get paid $200 The more they did, the more they make, and I would explain to them in detail what was expected of them when they showed up at the house and I also told them that if they are under age just lie about it and tell him that you are 18 Q Let's talk first about what you said that you tell them what was expected of them. A Yes. Q First of all, why did you tell them that? A Because that's what I was told. Q By whom? A and Q Okay. And did Jeffrey Epstein ever address you about don't bring girls over here if they don't know what's going to happen? A Absolutely. OFFICIAL LLC EFTA00085387 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Okay. So all the girls were supposed to know that when they got there they would be undressing? A They would be undressing. There would be touching. There would be fondling. He was very big on that. He told me never to bring a girl over unless they knew what was expected. Q Okay. And did you also tell them that he would be masturbating? A I didn't really talk to them about that. I didn't know if he did it with everybody or it was just with me that he did that. Q But you told them that they all would have to be partially naked or fully naked? A Partially to fully naked and there would be touching and fondling. Q Okay. How many girls do you think you took to Mr. Epstein's house? A Seven, between seven to ten. Q Okay. And were there any -- in addition to this rule about the girls had to know what was expected, did Mr. Epstein have any other rules in terms of what the girls looked like or what he liked? A No. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085388 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Okay. Were there girls that you brought that he didn't like? A There were a few girls he wasn't crazy about. He didn't really like. He didn't favor. for instance, 23, he thought she was kind of too old. Q Okay. So you brought a girl named who was 23 years old? A Yes. Q And you were told that she was too old? A Yes. Q Did you ever bring her back? A No. Q What about any other girls that h