DIGITALLY RECORDED

1 DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF TOVA NOEL OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL JUNE 21, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES EFTA00118226 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: WITNESS: TOVA NOEL OTHER APPEARANCES: JASON FOY, ESQ. ERIC SARRAGA, ESQ. EFTA00118227 3 1 MR. : The recorder is on. My 2 name is . I am a Senior 3 Special Agent with the U.S. Department of 4 Justice Office of the Inspector General New 5 York Field Office and these are my credentials. 6 This interview with Federal Bureau of Prisons 7 correctional officer Tova Noel is being 8 conducted as part of an official U.S. 9 Department of Justice Office of the Inspector 10 General investigation. Today's date is June 11 22, 2021 and the time is 10:09 a.m. This 12 interview is being conducted at - what is the 13 location - 15 -? 14 MR. FOY: 15 16 MR. : Thank you, sir. 17 MR. FOY: Bergen County Bar Association, 18 second floor conference room. 19 MR. : Okay. 20 MR. FOY: By the way, that was Jason Foy 21 speaking. 22 MR. : Yes. Also present are 23 DOJ OIG Special Agent -; 24 Correctional officer Tova Noel; Ms. Noel's 25 attorneys, Jason Foy, and Eric Sarraga of Foy & EFTA00118228 4 1 Seplowitz, LLC; as well as union representative 2 of the Local 3149 with the BOP. 3 This interview will be recorded by me, Senior 4 Special Agent . Could 5 everyone please identify themselves for the 6 record and spell your last name. To start, 7 again, I am DOJ OIG Senior Special Agent 8 , M-A-T-U-L-I-W-I-C-Z. 9 MR. : I am DOJ OIG Special Agent 10 D-A-N-I-I-L. 11 MS. NOEL: I'm Tova Noel, N-O-I-L. 12 MR. FOY: Jason Foy, F-O-Y, attorney for 13 Tova Noel. 14 MR. SARRAGA: Eric Sarraga, S-A-R-R-A-G-A, 15 attorney for Tova Noel. 16 MS. , G-R-I-G-G, Local 17 3148. 18 MR. : Thank you everyone. Ms. 19 Noel, you are here today as a subject in this 20 DOJ OIG investigation. This DOJ OIG 21 investigation concerns your alleged misconduct 22 to include allegations of false statements, job 23 performance failure, security failure, and 24 reporting false information. This is an 25 official DOJ OIG investigation and you are EFTA00118229 5 1 being asked to voluntarily provide answers to 2 our questions. Will you agree to a voluntary 3 interview with the DOJ OIG? 4 MS. NOEL: Yes. 5 MR. : Alright. Great. And 6 then everyone that does voluntary interviews 7 with the DOJ we provide them with these 8 voluntary interview forms. I don't know if you 9 guys were sent that at the time, but it says, 10 "United States Department of Justice Office of 11 the Inspector General, Warnings and Assurances 12 to Employee Requested to Provide Information on 13 a Voluntary Basis. You are being asked to 14 provide information as part of an investigation 15 being conducted by the Office of the Inspector 16 General. This investigation is being conducted 17 pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978 18 as amended. This investigation pertains to 19 your alleged misconduct to include allegations 20 of false statements, job performance failure, 21 security failure, and reporting false 22 information. This is a voluntary interview. 23 Accordingly, you do not have to answer 24 questions. No disciplinary action will be 25 taken against you if you choose not to answer EFTA00118230 6 1 questions. Any statement you furnish may be 2 used as evidence in any future criminal 3 proceeding or agency disciplinary proceedings 4 or both. And of course, there's the DPA 5 waiver. I understand the warnings and 6 assurances stated above and I am willing to 7 make a statement or answer questions. No 8 promises or threats have been made to me and no 9 pressure or coercion of any kind has been used 10 against me. You can take a look at this and 11 review it. If you agree, there's a section 12 there for your name and signature. 13 MR. FOY: So the only thing that this is 14 actually subject to is the deferred prosecution 15 agreement. 16 MR. : Well so there's the 17 agreement that you had, so that's the part 18 where I'm talking about the specific part where 19 it says criminal. 20 MR. FOY: Mm-hmm. 21 MR. : That's something I think 22 that was worked out with the U.S. Attorney's 23 Office -- 24 MR. FOY: Right. Exactly. 25 MR. : So -. EFTA00118231 7 1 MR. FOY: I know there's no sort of 2 protection with regard to the disciplinary 3 internally the administrative thing that -- 4 MR. : Correct. 5 MR. FOY: -- will happen at some point. 6 But I just wanted to make that clear. But go 7 ahead, you can sign Tova. 8 MR. : Now obviously, that is 9 pursuant to you answering questions truthfully. 10 MR. FOY: Right. Of course. That's the 11 exception to our agreement. 12 MR. : There's a line that says 13 employee signature. 14 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 15 MR. : Alright. And the rest 16 will be filled out by the two of us. 17 MR. FOY: Okay. 18 MR. : Thank you, sir. 19 MR. FOY: Yep. 20 MR. : And thank you for signing 21 Ms. Noel. Alright. So I'm going to sign where 22 it says signature of the Office of the 23 Inspector General Special Agent. Again, this 24 is . I'm printing my name. 25 And Special Agent can you fill out the EFTA00118232 8 1 rest for signature of witness, name of witness, 2 date, time, and place. 3 MR. : This is Agent signing 4 on the signature of witness. 5 MR. : And then do you understand 6 the form as you read and you review? 7 MS. NOEL: Yes, I do. 8 MR. : Great. Thank you. 9 Before starting the interview, I'd like to 10 place you under oath. Can you please raise 11 your right hand? Do you swear to tell the 12 truth and nothing but the truth during this 13 interview? 14 MS. NOEL: Yes, sir. 15 MR. : Thank you, Ma'am. 16 Alright. Please let me know if you do not 17 understand any of my questions. I'll try to 18 rephrase or ask it a different way. 19 MS. NOEL: Okay. 20 MR. : Alright. So this is 21 something we ask everybody. Do you - what's 22 your current home address? 23 MS. NOEL: 24 25 MR. : Thank you. What's your EFTA00118233 9 1 2 3 4 date of birth? MS. NOEL: MR. : And your last four of your Social Security number. 5 MS. NOEL: 6 MR. : Thank you. What's your 7 highest level of education? 8 MS. NOEL: A bachelor's degree. 9 MR. : And what was your 10 bachelor's degree in? 11 MS. NOEL: Criminal justice (Indiscernible 12 *00:06:14) in law. 13 MR. : And where did you receive 14 that degree from? 15 MS. NOEL: John Jay. 16 MR. : John Jay in New York 17 City? 18 MS. NOEL: Yes, sir. 19 MR. : And when did you 20 graduate? 21 MS. NOEL: 2017. 22 MR. : Thank you. What did you 23 do - just briefly - prior to working with the 24 BOP? 25 MS. NOEL: Prior to working with the BOP I EFTA00118234 10 1 worked at the Post Office. 2 MR. : Okay. What did you do 3 there? 4 MS. NOEL: I was a mail handler. 5 MR. : And for how long? 6 MS. NOEL: Uh, six months. 7 MR. : Six months? 8 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 9 MR. : And that was in 2016, 10 2016? When did you do that? 11 MS. NOEL: Yes. 12 MR. : 2015 and 2016? 13 MS. NOEL: No. At the post office, I was 14 there 2017. 15 MR. : Oh 2017. 16 MS. NOEL: '16, '17. Mm-hmm. 17 MR. : Oh, okay. And do you 18 have any military service? 19 MS. NOEL: Yes. 20 MR. : And what is that? 21 MS. NOEL: Military service? 22 MR. : Yeah. Can you tell me 23 what the service? 24 MS. NOEL: The Army. 25 MR. : Army. And how long were EFTA00118235 11 1 you in the Army? 2 MS. NOEL: Six years. 3 MR. : From when until when? 4 MS. NOEL: 2008 to 2014. 5 MR. : And what did you do with 6 the military? 7 MS. NOEL: I was a patient administrative 8 specialist. 9 MR. : And what is that? 10 MS. NOEL: Patient admin. 11 MR. : Patient as in like a 12 hospital? 13 MS. NOEL: Yes. 14 MR. : Okay. So you worked in a 15 hospital. And what was your rank when you left 16 the military? 17 MS. NOEL: E4 Specialist. 18 MR. : And did you leave - were 19 you honorably discharged? 20 MS. NOEL: Yes. 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MR. FOY: Can I - one second real quick? 23 For the post office, you said 16 - 17 but you 24 started MCC in 18. 25 MS. NOEL: Yeah. EFTA00118236 12 1 MR. FOY: So would it be 17 into 18? 2 MS. NOEL: 18 yeah. 3 MR. : Oh you did start with the 4 BOP in '18? 5 MS. NOEL: Yes. 6 MR. : Not in '16? 7 MS. NOEL: No. That was an error in the 8 (Indiscernible *00:07:49). 9 MR. FOY: Right. So it's '18, then she 10 left the Post Office in '17, going to - so I 11 think it's 16 -. No 17 - 18. 12 MS. NOEL: '18 - Mm-hmm. 13 MR. FOY: Post Office. Then MCC. 14 MR. : Okay. And did you work 15 for anybody prior or in between your military 16 service and the post office? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : No? Okay. 19 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. 20 MR. : So you were unemployed at 21 that time? 22 MS. NOEL: No I was going to school. 23 MR. : Oh that's when you went 24 to John Jay. 25 MS. NOEL: That's when I was going to John EFTA00118237 13 1 Jay. Yeah. 2 MR. : Okay. Thank you. And 3 when was your Enter on Duty Date with BOP? 4 MS. NOEL: June 24, 2018. 5 MR. : Okay. And when did you 6 graduate from BOP training down at the Federal 7 Law Enforcement Training Center? 8 MS. NOEL: Um, I want to say September of 9 2018. 10 MR. : Okay. But you did 11 graduate from there? 12 MS. NOEL: Yes, I did. 13 MR. : That was a correctional 14 officer training? 15 MS. NOEL: Yes. 16 MR. : Alright. And when and 17 where was your first office assignment with the 18 BOP? 19 MS. NOEL: Say that again? 20 MR. : When and where was your 21 first office assignment with the BOP? So where 22 did you start - did you start working in MCC 23 and work there the entire time? 24 MS. NOEL: Yes, sir. 25 MR. : Okay. And what positions EFTA00118238 14 1 have you held with the BOP? 2 MS. NOEL: Correctional officer. 3 MR. : Okay. The entire time? 4 MS. NOEL: Yes, sir. 5 MR. : Alright. And when you 6 were there last, who did you report to? Who 7 was your direct supervisor? Or did you have 8 one? 9 MS. NOEL: 10 MR. : And do you know how to 11 spell that last name? 12 MS. NOEL: 13 MR. : Thank you. What is your 14 current -? Again, this is something we ask 15 everybody. We won't be contacting your client. 16 But what is your current cell phone number? 17 MS. NOEL: 18 MR. : Okay. And how long have 19 you had that number? 20 MS. NOEL: Years. 21 MR. : Years. 22 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 23 MR. : So for a long time. 24 MS. NOEL: Yes. 25 MR. : And to include in 2019? EFTA00118239 15 1 MS. NOEL: Yes. 2 MR. : Okay. Any other cell 3 phone numbers? 4 MS. NOEL: No. 5 MR. 6 email address? 7 MS. NOEL: Um, 8 MR. Okay. And your current Okay. Great. And have 9 you had that one also for years? 10 MS. NOEL: Yes. 11 MR. : Okay. Any others? 12 MS. NOEL: Yes. 13 MR. : What are the others? 14 MS. NOEL: Uh, 15 MR. : Same? 16 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 17 MR. : You've had that for 18 years? 19 MS. NOEL: Yes. 20 MR. : Okay. Both in 2019? 21 MS. NOEL: Yes. 22 MR. : Okay. Thank you. Um, do 23 you have any current -? I should have asked 24 this. Are you currently employed right now? 25 MS. NOEL: No. EFTA00118240 16 1 MR. 2 MS. NOEL: No. 3 MR. By no other means? : Okay. And when did you 4 last work at the MCC? 5 MS. NOEL: August 10, 2019. 6 MR. : And was that the same 7 supervisor that you mentioned? 8 MS. NOEL: Yes. 9 MR. : Okay. Briefly, what 10 training have you attended or conducted during 11 your employment with the BOP? You mentioned 12 the correctional officer training at FLETC. 13 What other trainings have they provided for 14 you? 15 MS. NOEL: Um, their two-week training 16 when you first start at BOP. I forget what 17 it's called. IF training. Yes. 18 MR. : IF training? 19 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 20 MR. : And any other training? 21 MS. NOEL: No. 22 MR. : Annual refresher 23 training? 24 MS. NOEL: I have one. 25 MR. : Okay. So you've gone to EFTA00118241 17 1 annual. And what about like a SHU training 2 course? 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : Okay. But you did - and 5 this is just - you guys can take a look at this 6 if you would like. This is the training that 7 we have for you. That we asked for your list 8 of training. I'm not asking you to necessarily 9 verify that you've conducted all of it, but it 10 shows the last time you did your annual 11 training was on 3/8/2019 was when you actually 12 completed that week of training. 13 MS. NOEL: Yes. 14 MR. : Does that sound correct? 15 MS. NOEL: Correct. 16 MR. : Again, this just goes 17 along with it. It shows -. It shows what the 18 syllabus was as well as the sign-in sheet where 19 Ms. Noel signed in. Again, it's - we're not 20 asking to you -. 21 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 22 MR. : For - if you want to take 23 a look at it you can. It just shows that you 24 did that training in March of 2019. And 25 anything that I'm going to provide to you, can EFTA00118242 18 1 you just initial and date? And that's just a 2 way for us to verify that that's what we showed 3 you. 4 MS. NOEL: Okay. 5 MR. FOY: Each page or just to top? 6 MR. : Nope, just the top of 7 each page. 8 MR. FOY: Okay. Is (Indiscernible 9 *00:12:34)? 10 MR. : No, you do have that. So 11 just briefly, you don't have to like list off 12 the course syllabus. But what did they cover 13 during that annual training? 14 MS. NOEL: Um they spoke about different 15 areas like dealing with inmates. They spoke 16 about the issues on the job like dealing with 17 shortages. They spoke about um, basically like 18 mask fitted I remember. 19 MR. : Mask fitting? 20 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 21 MR. : Was that back in 2019? 22 People were wearing masks as well? 23 MS. NOEL: No like um. 24 MR. : It's for OC's sprays? 25 MR. : Oh, for OC spray. EFTA00118243 19 1 MS. NOEL: Yes. 2 MR. : Okay. Did they include 3 things like ethics, standards of conduct? 4 MS. NOEL: Yes. 5 MR. : Okay. What about like 6 counts and rounds? 7 MS. NOEL: I don't recall them talking 8 about counts and rounds. 9 MR. : Okay. So did they go 10 over like MCC policies and guidance? 11 MS. NOEL: Yes. 12 MR. : Okay. And did they ever 13 provide you with the policies and guidelines or 14 did they just speak to you about it? 15 MS. NOEL: For in this training? 16 MR. : Yes. 17 MS. NOEL: They just spoke about it. 18 MR. : At another time did they 19 provide you with the polices and guidelines? 20 MS. NOEL: Yeah. It's on like the 21 computer. 22 MR. : Okay. 23 MS. NOEL: The -. 24 MR. : Do you have to certify 25 that you've like received it and you reviewed EFTA00118244 20 1 it? Polices and guidelines? 2 MS. NOEL: I think I signed that like you 3 receive it. 4 MR. : Right. Okay. If you 5 don't mind, just -. 6 MR. FOY: You want it in the lower right? 7 MR. : Doesn't matter. Top or 8 bottom. You know wherever there's room. I 9 typically do top, but bottom is totally fine. 10 MR. FOY: This one, that one. 11 MR. : Today's date is June 22nd. 12 MR. FOY: That's part of the same 13 document. 14 MS. NOEL: Hm. 15 MR. FOY: And just the top page. 16 MR. : And now you mentioned 17 that you didn't quite remember them going over 18 training when conducting counts and rounds in 19 this training. Did you - were you - did you 20 ever receive training on conducting counts and 21 rounds? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. : Okay. When would that 24 have been? 25 MS. NOEL: In an IF training. EFTA00118245 21 1 MR. : And what does IF stand 2 for? 3 MS. NOEL: Hm. 4 MS. : You want some clarity? I can 5 tell you 6 MR. : Sure. 7 MS. : -- just what it stands for. 8 Institution Familiarization training. 9 MR. : Okay. Great. And that's 10 something that the MCC provided directly? 11 MS. NOEL: Yes. 12 MR. : Okay. Great. And then 13 you had mentioned - did you ever receive 14 policies on counts and rounds? 15 MS. NOEL: No. 16 MR. : I know you said you 17 certified. Do you remember that specific 18 policy - like receiving that? 19 MS. NOEL: Like specifically on counts and 20 rounds? 21 MR. : I'm not asking you to 22 like verbatim tell me what it was. I'm just 23 saying like were you provided and you reviewed 24 it. DO you remember? 25 MS. NOEL: Not specifically on counts and EFTA00118246 22 1 rounds. Just like a general - 2 MR. : Right. 3 MS. NOEL: Like -. 4 MR. : Like you know the housing 5 orders or unit policies and things like that. 6 When you're supposed to conduct counts, when 7 you're supposed to do rounds, that type of 8 thing. 9 MS. NOEL: The post orders. 10 MR. : Post orders. Right. 11 Okay. Great. You mentioned you didn't 12 remember ever going to quarterly SHU training. 13 This is a sign-in sheet for quarterly SHU 14 training. I just want to -. Is this your 15 signature on there for June 26, 2019? 16 MS. NOEL: You see how I'm the last one on 17 the bottom of all of them? 18 MR. : Correct. 19 MS. NOEL: Because I wasn't at the 20 training when I came 21 MR. : Did they provide it to 22 you one-on-one though? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : So how come -? 25 MS. NOEL: Because when I came back from EFTA00118247 23 1 an injury, the lieutenant asked me to sign 2 because when they had program review, they need 3 to show that I received the training. But I 4 never did. She just asked me to sign. That's 5 why I wonder why. 6 MR. : Who asked you to do that? 7 MS. NOEL: 8 MR. : So that supervisor you 9 mentioned was your first line supervisor asked 10 you sign without providing you the training? 11 MS. NOEL: Yes. 12 MR. : And she didn't' like 13 provide you anything to review? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : She didn't go over 16 anything with you? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : Did you discuss this with 19 her - that how can you sign something without 20 being provided the training? 21 MS. NOEL: Well I just told her I wasn't 22 here. I was out on an injury. She said she 23 knows but she needed me to sign it because they 24 need it for program review. 25 MR. : What's her first name? EFTA00118248 24 1 MS. NOEL: 2 MR. : And is she a lieutenant? 3 MS. NOEL: She's a - I don't know what she 4 is now. But she's not at MCC anymore. She's 5 at somewhere in Jersey. 6 MS. : I'm sorry. Before you go, are 7 you done with that question? 8 MR. : Actually, let me um, I 9 didn't do this. 10 MS. : Because I want to 11 (Indiscernible *00:17:14) 12 MR. : And I did forget to do 13 this. There's an advisory to the union 14 representative. 15 MS. : Mm-hmm. 16 MR. : Can you review this? And 17 I do apologize. But since you're speaking up a 18 little bit, let me hand this to you. and then 19 you can review that. And then if you want to 20 just take a look. After you're done reviewing, 21 you may sign it if you agree. 22 MS. • 23 copy of it? 24 MR. : Will you be able to give me a : Yes. I think it says on 25 there that we will forward you a copy of that. EFTA00118249 25 1 MS. : I didn't even see that part. 2 MR. : Should I continue asking 3 questions while she's reviewing that or do you 4 want to wait? 5 MR. FOY: Yeah, you can ask questions. 6 Absolutely. 7 MR. : Sure. So there's another 8 training that you - it says that you conducted 9 on also June 26, 2019 for SHU suicide 10 prevention training. Did you also not receive 11 that training? 12 MS. NOEL: Yeah. I didn't. 13 MR. : You did not receive that 14 training? 15 MS. NOEL: No. 16 MR. : Did you receive - so 17 there's slides in the back that shows the 18 training and how they conducted it. Did they 19 provide you with those slides? 20 MS. NOEL: No because I wasn't there. 21 MR. : You weren't there? 22 MS. NOEL: I was out on an injury. 23 MR. : Okay. Can you -? When 24 were you out on the injury? What are the 25 dates? EFTA00118250 26 1 MS. NOEL: From March 2019 to - I came 2 back in June. So when I came back in June, 3 that's when I was told to sign this. 4 MR. : Okay. 5 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 6 MR. : Alright. Thank you for 7 signing the Advisory to Union Representative. 8 MS. : I signed it (Indiscernible 9 *00:19:02). 10 MR. : I am just going to sign 11 that form as name of OIG special agent. Again, 12 I do apologize for not providing that up front. 13 MS. : So I just -. 14 MR. : I'm sorry, what was your 15 question? 16 MS. NOEL: I want to call because 17 (Indiscernible *00:19:15) I'm just saying that 18 well I know that the dynamics are that I should 19 interrupt you in the middle of a question. But 20 interrupt her answering a question. So I was 21 asking were you done because I wanted to just 22 step out for just one second. 23 MR. : You want to step out? 24 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 25 MR. : Okay. We don't want to EFTA00118251 27 1 interrupt the interview because we have a lot 2 of questions to get through. 3 MS. : Mm-hmm. 4 MR. : If the attorneys ask 5 that, that's not really But if you would 6 like to -. 7 MS. : So based on the agreement we 8 just signed, right? 9 MR. : Sure. 10 MS. : It acknowledges the right to 11 have me representing her. And part of those 12 rights are the ability to assist in 13 representing her. Right? And so I don't want 14 to dispute and I don't want to hold up the 15 process at all. I just want to say something 16 to her. 17 MR. : Sure. We'll let that - 18 we'll do that this time, but if this continues 19 to happen, I'm going to have to give you a 20 different form that says you can stay here 21 voluntarily if you want, but we're going to ask 22 you not to interrupt the interview. And if you 23 do, then we're going to ask her if she wants to 24 continue with the interview without you. 25 MS. : So but that form says EFTA00118252 28 1 something contrary to what you're saying. 2 MR. : I'm going to give you a 3 different form that says that I'm going to let 4 you interrupt the interview now to talk to her 5 out there. And if you do it again, I'm going 6 to ask that you not be here any longer so that 7 we can continue with the interview. Obviously, 8 her attorneys would stay here. So I just want 9 to make sure that we don't just continue. 10 MS. : I just need clarity then. I 11 need clarity. 12 MR. : Sure. 13 MS. : So the representing of and 14 talking to the employee who I have the right to 15 represent is considered by you an interruption 16 of the interview? 17 MR. : We haven't even gotten 18 into the questions yet. So 19 MS. : Well 20 MR. : -- yes, we need to 21 continue with the interview. But we're now -. 22 I can allow you to do that now. I'm just not 23 going to be able to allow you to continue to 24 stop the interview and leave the room. 25 MS. : I'm just asking for clarity EFTA00118253 29 1 right. So it was kind of -. 2 MR. : Sure. Absolutely. 3 MS. : And I don't mean to be 4 difficult. It kind of was a yes or no. So 5 you're saying to me based on the document that 6 I signed -. 7 MR. : I'm saying that you can 8 assist her. 9 MS. : I didn't get to -. 10 MR. : Sure. Go ahead. 11 MS. : Okay. So you're saying based 12 on the document that I signed, in my right to 13 represent the employee, which is asking to 14 caucus and say something to Ms. Noel is 15 interrupting the interview even though I have 16 the right to do so based on the document I 17 signed? 18 MR. : It's more for her to be 19 able to ask you for a question. 20 MS. : So it's just a yes or no. 21 MR. : Oh, no-no. I'm the one 22 that's leading the interview here. So if she 23 stops and asks you for clarity, absolutely. 24 You stopping to inform her? No. 25 MS. : I never identified to you that EFTA00118254 30 1 I would be informing her of anything. 2 MR. : Okay. But so yes. To 3 answer your question, you can be here to 4 represent here if she's asking you for the 5 information. I don't want you stopping our 6 interview. 7 MS. : Mm-hmm. 8 MR. : And then asking to leave 9 the room. I'm going to allow that this time. 10 After that, I will consider that an 11 interruption of the interview. 12 MS. : Mm-hmm. 13 MR. : And then we'll have to 14 proceed from there. And then there's a 15 different form to provide you. So does that 16 make sense? 17 MS. : No it doesn't. 18 MR. : Okay. So I'm asking you 19 not to interrupt 20 MS. : Wait. It doesn't make sense 21 but I'm not - that was 22 MR. : So I'm asking you not to 23 interrupt the interview. She may defer to you 24 and ask you for questions. 25 MS. : Mm-hmm. EFTA00118255 31 1 MR. : I'm asking you not to 2 interrupt my questions. 3 MS. : Okay. It doesn't make sense 4 to me. What I'm interpreting is my ability to 5 represent is only if the employee asks a 6 question that's what you're saying to me. 7 MR. : Correct. So her 8 attorneys are here. 9 MS. : I got it. I got it. 10 MR. : Her attorneys are here. 11 I'm asking if she has a question for her union 12 representative 13 MS. : Mm-hmm. 14 MR. : -- she may at any time 15 ask you. 16 MS. : I got it. 17 MR. : I'm asking you not to 18 interrupt. 19 MS. : I got it. 20 MR. : These questions are not 21 for you. 22 MS. : Mm-hmm. 23 MR. : They're not directed at 24 you. 25 MS. : Mm-hmm. EFTA00118256 32 1 MR. : They're directed at Mrs. 2 Noel. 3 MS. : I'm not answering questions. 4 I was just trying to -. I'm representing her. 5 But I understand that there has been a 6 determination of how I'm able to represent. 7 And so I'll deal with that in a different 8 venue. You can move forward. 9 MR. : Alright. Let me read 10 this real quick in this paperwork so that we're 11 not going to have any disputes. 12 MS. : We don't have to. You don't 13 have to continue. Right. Because I don't want 14 to interrupt. So you can go on ahead and move 15 forward. 16 MR. : Okay. So it just says 17 that you may not attempt to answer the 18 questions. 19 MS. : Mm-hmm. 20 MR. : Or dictate the employee's 21 actions to question or otherwise take charge of 22 proceedings. 23 MS. : Mm-hmm. 24 MR. : But again, please feel 25 free to go confer with Ms. Noel. EFTA00118257 33 1 MS. : I appreciate it. Thank you. 2 MR. : I am going to pause the 3 recording. It is currently 10:32 a.m. 4 [Whereupon, the above-entitled matter went off 5 the record and went back on the record.] Okay. 6 The recorder is back on. It is 10:38 a.m. 7 Tuesday, June 22, 2021. This is Senior Special 8 Agent We're resuming the 9 interview. Ms. Noel I just remind you that you 10 are under oath and this is a voluntary 11 interview. I'm sorry. What was your question? 12 MS. : You need me to initial 13 (Indiscernible *00:24:24)? 14 MR. : If you don't mind. And 15 again, it's just to show that you know, what we 16 are looking at. 17 MS. : Okay. 18 MR. : Now since we took that 19 break, is there anything else we want to 20 discuss or -? 21 MS. FOY: No, we can move forward. 22 MS. NOEL: No, thank you. 23 MR. : Thank you again very much 24 for your cooperation with this matter. Is 25 there anything else you wanted to -? No? EFTA00118258 34 1 Alright. DO you know where we left off Lyeson? 2 What was the last question that we asked? 3 MR. : It was what we asked for 4 (Indiscernible *00:24:53) about the injuries. 5 MR. : Okay. So you were 6 telling us you said March through June you were 7 injured? 8 MS. NOEL: Yes. 9 MR. : And you were not actually 10 working during that time? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : Do you remember around 13 when in March and when did it end? Was it the 14 beginning of March, end of March, middle? 15 MS. NOEL: Um I'm not sure. I just know 16 it was March. 17 MR. : Sometime in March? 18 MS. NOEL: Yes. 19 MR. : But when you came back, 20 was it around the 26th when they asked you to 21 sign those? 22 MS. NOEL: I came back in June. I don't 23 recall the date exactly. 24 MR. : Okay. 25 MS. NOEL: But I remember the day I came EFTA00118259 35 1 into work and the lieutenant asked me to go see 2 . And she asked me to sign 3 and I said but I wasn't here. I was out on an 4 injury. And she said she's aware but they need 5 me to sign it for program review. 6 MR. : Okay. 7 MS. NOEL: So I signed. 8 MR. : So both trainings when 9 you signed, they didn't actually even provide 10 you anything? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : Verbally? 13 Electronically? Nothing? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : Okay. And that was on 16 the date that was signed that that happened? 17 MS. NOEL: Actually she told me not to 18 date it. I remember when I was signing, she 19 said don't date it. 20 MR. : But you dated it anyway? 21 Did you have a conversation about that? 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : After you dated it, she 24 didn't say why did you date it or anything like 25 that? EFTA00118260 36 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : Okay. Did you receive 3 that training though in the annual training 4 courses as well? Like the suicide prevention 5 or the - you know how to operate in the SHU 6 during MCC annual? Or the - I think you call 7 it the IF training? Or during the correctional 8 officer training at FLETC? 9 MS. NOEL: Those trainings are like 10 general overall training. It's not 11 specifically speaking about SHU. Like SHU may 12 come up in the conversations, but it's not 13 specific to SHU or how to operate or run the 14 SHU. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 17 MR. : Do you know if they were 18 doing this with other employees as well? 19 Having them sign training that they weren't 20 actually conducting? 21 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 22 MR. : Okay. But did you do 23 this per the direction of your supervisor? 24 MS. NOEL: Supervisor. Yes. 25 MR. : So she - did she EFTA00118261 37 1 specifically you must sign this? 2 MS. NOEL: Yes. 3 MR. : Okay. And again, that 4 was 5 MS. NOEL: 6 MR. And you said 7 and I apologize. I don't know if we were 8 interrupted when Where did you say she is 9 currently? 10 MS. NOEL: She is in Jersey I know. I'm 11 trying to -. 12 MR. : At the FCI Fort Dix? 13 MS. NOEL: Yes. 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MR. FOY: Question real quick. 16 MR. : Absolutely. Do you want 17 a more precise answer to when she was out and 18 when she came back? 19 MR. : Uh, so far -. 20 MR. FOY: Because I happen to know -- 21 MR. : Oh sure. If you'd like. 22 MR. FOY: -- the approximate dates. 23 MR. : Sure. You can provide 24 that. 25 MR. FOY: And this is based on my review EFTA00118262 38 1 of discovery and conversations with Ms. Noel. 2 We're looking at about March 15 to June 24-ish. 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MR. FOY: And I note that the execution 5 was on the 26th. But I think there was some 6 time, you know, it's not like the first minute 7 she was there they had her sign the document. 8 MR. : Okay. 9 MS. NOEL: Right. 10 MR. FOY: So those are the estimated 11 times. I could be off by a day or two, but 12 MR. : Perfect. 13 MR. FOY: The 15th of March to June 24th. 14 MR. : And thank you attorney 15 Foy. 16 MR. FOY: No problem. 17 MR. : During your time at the 18 MCC, how often were you assigned to the special 19 housing unit also known as the SHU? 20 MS. NOEL: Mm. 21 MR. : And this is an 22 approximate. I'm not asking you for like exact 23 amount. 24 MS. NOEL: When I came back from the 25 injury, my assignment was the SHU. So from EFTA00118263 39 1 June 20-whatever to August 10th, I worked the 2 SHU. 3 MR. : Okay. And that was your 4 quarterly assignment was in the SHU from - for 5 that whole summer 6 MS. NOEL: Yes. 7 MR. : -- in 2019? 8 MS. NOEL: Yes. 9 MR. : Okay. Thank you. So I 10 know that you said that you didn't - they 11 didn't provide you with the SHU training. Did 12 they provide you with the policies of the SHU? 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : So you never received 15 those policies? Would it have been when you 16 received and you said you had to initial and 17 date something electronically? I think you 18 said when you provided -? 19 MS. NOEL: That's the employee code of 20 conduct. 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MS. NOEL: That's the - like the handbook 23 that's online. 24 MR. : Should have they provided 25 you with the polices and post orders in the EFTA00118264 40 1 SHU? 2 MS. NOEL: In the SHU there is post 3 orders. 4 MR. : Oh, okay. So in the SHU 5 there's the post orders. 6 MS. NOEL: Yes. 7 MR. : And were you provided a 8 copy of that to review? 9 MS. NOEL: Yes. 10 MR. : And had you reviewed 11 that? 12 MS. NOEL: Yes. 13 MR. : Okay. And when did you 14 review that? 15 MS. NOEL: When I came back. 16 MR. : So sometime in that June 17 -- 18 MS. NOEL: So in June. 19 MR. : -- or July timeframe? 20 MS. NOEL: Yes. 21 MR. : Okay. So aside from hose 22 post orders, did you receive any other SHU 23 training? 24 MS. NOEL: No. 25 MR. : No. And who was EFTA00118265 41 1 responsible for making sure that you actually 2 did receive SHU training? 3 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 4 MR. : You don't know was that a 5 lieutenant issue -- 6 MS. NOEL: I assumed -. 7 MR. : -- or your first line 8 supervisor? 9 MS. NOEL: I would assume the lieutenant. 10 My supervisor. I don't know. 11 MR. : And when you say the 12 lieutenant, who was the lieutenant in the SHU 13 at the time? 14 MS. NOEL: 15 MR. -: . Do you know his 16 first name? 17 MS. NOEL: 18 MR. : Okay. And would he be 19 responsible for making sure that you were 20 training when you were in the SHU? 21 MS. NOEL: I mean, I'm going to direct 22 that question to her. I don't know. 23 MR. : I don't want you to 24 direct a question to her. 25 MS. NOEL: Okay. EFTA00118266 42 1 MR. : But if you need to like, 2 yeah, that's fine. 3 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 4 MR. : And if you don't know, 5 that's totally acceptable. 6 MS. NOEL: Yeah because I don't know. 7 MR. : Okay. No-no, that's a 8 totally acceptable answer. 9 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 10 MR. : So yeah, if you know - if 11 you don't know something or you do know 12 something, that's great. You don't really want 13 to ask other people for the answers. 14 MS. NOEL: Right. 15 MR. : You know, obviously if 16 you need to confer, and you know with your 17 attorneys or your union representative, 18 absolutely fine. But we just want to try to 19 get away from them answering for you. 20 MS. NOEL: Okay. 21 MR. : Alright. And then from 22 your recollection though, you don't remember 23 receiving SHU training during the annual 24 refresher training? 25 MS. NOEL: No. EFTA00118267 43 1 MR. : No. Okay. Did you 2 receive training on how to conduct rounds? 3 MS. NOEL: Yes. 4 MR. : And when was that? 5 MS. NOEL: In IF. 6 MR. : In IF? 7 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 8 MR. : Okay. And what did it 9 teach you about conducting rounds? 10 MS. NOEL: That you need two people to 11 count and conduct rounds. And one person goes 12 and counts. The other person goes and counts. 13 And then you confirm the numbers of counting. 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MS. NOEL: And make sure when you're 16 counting that you're counting everybody's 17 standing at their bed when you're counting. 18 MR. : Okay. And did you 19 receive suicide prevention training during the 20 MCC annual refresher training? 21 MS. NOEL: I don't recall. 22 MR. : You don't recall. 23 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 24 MR. : Okay. What was your 25 understanding if an inmate was placed, you EFTA00118268 44 1 know, is suicidal or placed on suicide watch? 2 What was your understanding of how you should 3 treat those inmates? 4 MS. NOEL: If an inmate is placed on 5 suicide watch, I don't deal with them. They go 6 downstairs to suicide watch and they're being 7 watched by other inmates. 8 MR. : Mm-hmm. 9 MS. NOEL: But and then when they're 10 cleared, they come back to the unit. 11 MR. : And are you trained - are 12 you supposed to handle them differently when 13 they come back to the unit? 14 MS. NOEL: Uh, no. 15 MR. : You're not? 16 MS. NOEL: You're not. 17 MR. : You're not supposed to 18 handle them differently? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : Not at all? 21 MS. NOEL: Because they're cleared to come 22 back. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MS. NOEL: So once you're cleared, you're 25 back to normal. EFTA00118269 45 1 MR. : Okay. And were you 2 assigned to the SHU on August 9th and 10th of 3 2019? 4 MS. NOEL: Yes. 5 MR. : Do you recall what time 6 you began working on the SHU on August 9th? 7 MS. NOEL: 4:00 to midnight. 8 MR. : Four to midnight. And 9 then on August 10th? It was? 10 MS. NOEL: Midnight to eight in the 11 morning. 12 MR. : Okay. You said, again, 13 that was your quarterly bidded post. 14 MS. NOEL: Yes. 15 MR. : Quarterly assignment. 16 And what were your overall duties and 17 responsibilities when you were assigned to the 18 SHU? 19 MS. NOEL: It varies because I'm new and 20 because I don't know how to run the SHU. I 21 just always rely on the senior person that I'm 22 working with. So even if the roster reflects 23 that I'm the senior officer, because sometimes 24 I'm assigned SHU 1, I don't do what SHU 1 is 25 supposed to do because I don't know how to do EFTA00118270 46 1 it. I rely on the senior officer that I'm 2 working with. 3 MR. : Okay. So you didn't 4 really know what your duties and 5 responsibilities were? Is that what you're 6 saying? 7 MS. NOEL: In the SHU like um, to give out 8 food, to collect the trays, to give out linen, 9 collect linen. Whenever we would go down range 10 to give out those, we count that as a round to 11 make sure the inmates are good. You shower I 12 think every other day. Count, that's it. 13 MR. : So rounds and counts are 14 a part of that though? 15 MS. NOEL: Rounds and counts are a part of 16 it. But I've never worked in the SHU and 17 actually done rounds every 30 minutes. We go 18 down range to do stuff and we count it as a 19 round. 20 MR. : Perfect. And that's 21 going to be something that we're going to 22 discuss. 23 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 24 MR. : And ask you things like 25 who told you that and houses that, you know who EFTA00118271 47 1 should have provided you with the proper 2 training and information on how it was 3 technically supposed to be done. 4 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 5 MR. : And were there any 6 requirements - special requirements - for 7 inmates who are assigned to the SHU? 8 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 9 MR. : That's fine. Do inmates 10 in the SHU have cellmates? 11 MS. NOEL: Yes. 12 MR. : Okay. And are they 13 required to have cellmates? 14 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 15 MR. : You're not sure? 16 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. 17 MR. : Are there any inmates 18 that don't have cellmates? 19 MS. NOEL: Yes. 20 MR. : And do you know why they 21 wouldn't have cellmates? 22 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 23 MR. : Did you ever - were you 24 ever told it's because another inmate could 25 harm that inmate? Or there were certain EFTA00118272 48 1 classifications of an inmate? They never 2 discussed that with you? 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : No? Okay. Did you ever 5 see training on medical emergencies? With 6 inmates? 7 MS. NOEL: Mm. No. I just know like if 8 you are making a round and something happens to 9 an inmate, you call and you wait for somebody 10 to come before you enter the cell. That's all 11 I know. 12 MR. : Okay. But did you - were 13 you provided like CPR training or any kind of 14 like you know, if something were to happen in 15 front of you how you would respond? 16 MS. NOEL: Yes. We had CPR training 17 (Phonetic Sp. *00:35:08) 18 MR. : Okay. And when would you 19 conduct training like that CPR training or you 20 know if someone is trying to kill themselves or 21 something like that. When did you receive that 22 training? How you would respond to a medical 23 emergency? 24 MS. NOEL: That was in IF. 25 MR. : IF as well? EFTA00118273 49 1 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 2 MR. : Okay. So who is or was 3 Inmate Jeffrey Epstein? Reg number 76318-054? 4 MS. NOEL: Who was he? 5 MR. : Who was he? Was he an 6 inmate assigned to the MCC? 7 MS. NOEL: Yes. 8 MR. : Was he assigned to the 9 SHU? 10 MS. NOEL: Yes. 11 MR. : Okay. Do you know what 12 he was at the MCC for and why he was 13 incarcerated by the BOP? 14 MS. NOEL: Actually I didn't even know who 15 he was when I worked with him. It was the 16 other coworker that told me who he was. I 17 didn't know who he was. 18 MR. : And who -? 19 MS. NOEL: As in I knew his name but 20 didn't know like what he was there for and who 21 he actually was. 22 MR. : So and when you say the 23 other coworker told you, who told you? 24 MS. NOEL: 25 MR. EFTA00118274 50 1 MS. NOEL: Uh-huh. 2 MR. : And what is first 3 name? 4 MS. NOEL: 5 MR. • 6 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 7 MR. : And what did he inform 8 you? 9 MS. NOEL: He basically said that this is 10 Jeffrey Epstein. You don't know who he is? 11 And I said no. And he was like he's in the 12 news every day. And I was like okay. I didn't 13 know. 14 MR. : Do you remember when you 15 had that conversation? Like at least if you 16 think about August 9th, August 10th? 17 MS. NOEL: Mm. No. 18 MR. : Was it obviously it was 19 then prior to August 9th? 20 MS. NOEL: Yes. 21 MR. : Okay. But you were 22 working in the SHU together? 23 MS. NOEL: Yes. 24 MR. : Okay. Was Epstein in the 25 SHU when you had that conversation? EFTA00118275 51 1 MS. NOEL: Never. 2 MR. : No. Was he with his 3 attorneys? 4 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 5 MR. : Okay. Do you remember 6 anything else about that conversation when he 7 told you about him? 8 MS. NOEL: No. That was it. 9 MR. : Did he tell you why he 10 was in? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : No? Just that he was 13 famous and in the SHU? 14 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 15 MR. : Okay. Why was - do you 16 know why Epstein was assigned to the SHU? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : Did anyone ever tell you 19 it was because he was a risk for suicide or 20 safety concerns? 21 MS. NOEL: No. 22 MR. : No? We're going to get 23 into this a little later, but do you know what 24 the hotlist is? 25 MS. NOEL: Um.... Are those -? I think EFTA00118276 52 1 the hotlist is like um, how should I say, like 2 inmates that are like -. Inmates that are like 3 - mm. 4 MR. : I'm just going to show 5 you this and ask you if you ever received this 6 training either. 7 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 8 MR. : Or if you've ever seen 9 it. This will spell out exactly what the 10 hotlist is. 11 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 12 MR. : So this is the MCC New 13 York special housing unit. Slides. 14 (Indiscernible *00:38:01) 15 MR. : Oh sorry. 16 MR. : This one is special 17 housing unit management suicide prevention. 18 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 19 MR. : So can you just have - 20 there's two different tabs here which 21 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 22 MR. : -- the first one is going 23 to say -. I'll just read it for the record. 24 SHU hotlist identifies inmates with mental 25 health conditions who may become dangerous, EFTA00118277 53 1 self-destructive, or suicidal when placed into 2 the SHU. 3 MS. NOEL: Hm. 4 MR. : And that - did you know 5 that? 6 MS. NOEL: No. 7 MR. : So do you know what I'm 8 talking about when I say hotlist? There was a 9 list in the SHU of 10 MS. NOEL: No. I actually thought that 11 the hotlist was something else. Like that was 12 on the computer. No. I don't know that. 13 MR. : Okay. And then it talks 14 about when someone is on the hotlist, it's 15 supposed to be a special notation on the 16 hotlist, a special notation on the cell door, 17 and there's also a special notation on the SHU 18 board. 19 MS. NOEL: Mm. There was never none of 20 that. 21 MR. : So did you ever -? Can 22 you just take a look quickly? You don't have 23 to look through that. Just basically the 24 MR. : The two tabs. 25 MR. : -- two tabs as well as EFTA00118278 54 1 2 3 4 the you? front. MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. MR. : Was that ever provided to Did you ever see this? 5 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. No. 6 MR. : No. Okay. 7 MR. FOY: Do you want her to initial? 8 MR. : If you could. Yeah. 9 Just so that we can -. You can do it on the 10 top page. No-no. Sorry. The front page. 11 MR. : ON the front page. 12 MR. FOY: Just the first page. 13 MS. NOEL: Oh. 14 MR. : And do you know who would 15 have been required to provide you that -- 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : -- information? No? And 18 no one discussed that with you? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : Did anyone ever discuss 21 the hotlist with you? 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : Had you ever heard of the 24 term hotlist? 25 MS. NOEL: No. EFTA00118279 55 1 MR. : You never even heard the 2 term? 3 MS. NOEL: I thought that hotlist was like 4 inmates that were like, um.... Like the 5 inmates that were up on 10 South. Like those 6 high inmates. Like El Chapo and those type of 7 inmates. 8 MR. : Sure. 9 MS. NOEL: That's what I though hotlist 10 was. 11 MR. : Okay. And because you 12 brought up 10 South, what's 10 South? 13 MS. NOEL: The level above the SHU. 14 MR. : And is that a specialized 15 unit that are even more secure than the SHU? 16 MS. NOEL: Yes. 17 MR. : And can you just explain 18 to me a little bit about who goes there? What 19 the cell makeup is? Are there cameras in each 20 individual cell? 21 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 22 MR. : Oh, you don't know? 23 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. 24 MR. : Okay. Are inmates that 25 are in those cells only one inmate per cell? EFTA00118280 56 1 MS. NOEL: I think so. 2 MR. : And are they monitored 3 24/7? 4 MS. NOEL: Yes. 5 MR. : Okay. But you don't know 6 how they're monitored? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : Okay. But they're for 9 like a terrorist, high-profile, drugs -. 10 MS. NOEL: Yes. 11 MR. : You know? 12 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 13 MR. : Okay. And that's one 14 floor above where the SHU is? 15 MS. NOEL: Yes. 16 MR. : Is it kind of in the 17 general location of the SHU though? 18 MS. NOEL: It's upstairs. 19 MR. : Can you get to it through 20 the SHU? 21 MS. NOEL: Yes. 22 MR. : And would it be 23 considered as - I know it's 10 South and it's 24 unique. But is it also part of the general 25 SHU? EFTA00118281 57 1 MS. NOEL: I mean when you come into the 2 SHU, you go up the stairs and it's right there. 3 MR. : Okay. Can you get to it 4 by other means? 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : So you have to go thought 7 the SHU -- 8 MS. NOEL: Go through the SHU. 9 MR. : -- to get -- 10 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 11 MR. into it? Okay. And 12 how many correctional officers are placed in 13 the 10 South? 14 MS. NOEL: Um, one. 15 MR. : One? 16 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 17 MR. : And there's no way in or 18 out other than through the SHU? 19 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm, through the SHU. 20 MR. : Okay. So when they come 21 in and out, do the officers that are working in 22 the SHU - you know where you are working - are 23 you the ones that have to allow them to get in 24 and out of the SHU? 25 MS. NOEL: Yes. EFTA00118282 58 1 MR. : Okay. Do you recall who 2 was working on 10 South on August 9th or 10th? 3 MS. NOEL: 4 MR. -• 5 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 6 MR. : Okay. Was that August 7 9th or 10th or both? 8 MS. NOEL: I don't know about the 9th but 9 the 10th. 10 MR. : That's fine. And some of 11 this stuff I'll probably at some point give you 12 a list of the people so you can refer to like 13 the roster so you don't have to 14 MS. NOEL: Okay. 15 MR. : You know you can recall 16 that way if you remember that those people were 17 in (Indiscernible *00:41:35). 18 MS. NOEL: Okay. 19 MR. : But you did say Epstein 20 was assigned to the SHU on August 9th and 21 August 10th, 2019? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. : Okay. And he was 24 assigned to the SHU on the days leading up to 25 August 9, 2019? EFTA00118283 59 1 MS. NOEL: Yes. 2 MR. : Okay. Do you know 3 approximately how long Epstein was assigned to 4 the SHU? 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : Was he assigned to the 7 SHU for the most part of when you were doing 8 you assignments in the SHU? 9 MS. NOEL: When I came back and I was 10 working there? 11 MR. : Correct. 12 MS. NOEL: Yes. 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 15 MR. : Yes? Okay. So does July 16 and August sound about right? That he was in 17 the SHU? 18 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 19 MR. : Yes? What was Epstein's 20 routine while he was assigned to the SHU? We 21 talked about it briefly. He was with attorneys 22 and stuff. So was that like a daily routine? 23 Can you just tell me when he would come and go? 24 And when he would be in the SHU and not be in 25 the SHU? EFTA00118284 60 1 MS. NOEL: Oh I come in at 2:00. And I 2 come in at 4:00. And when I come in he's not 3 there. He would come back like around after 4 8:00. 5 MR. : 8:00 p.m.? 6 MS. NOEL: Yes. 7 MR. : Okay. And did you 8 typically work after 8:00? So you come in at 9 2:00 or 4:00. When would you typically work 10 until? 11 MS. NOEL: 2:00 to 10:00 or 4:00 to 12 midnight. Mm-hmm. 13 MR. : And then would you 14 typically do overtime shifts after that? 15 MS. NOEL: No because I usually do it on 16 the front end. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 MS. NOEL: So I usually come in the 8:00 19 to 4:00 and do 4:00 to 12:00. 20 MR. : And when you would come 21 in 8:00 to 4:00, would he be gone already? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. : Okay. But he would come 24 back around -? So he would be gone before 8:00 25 a.m. and come back around 8:00 p.m.? EFTA00118285 61 1 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 2 MR. : Would he eat when he was 3 in the SHU? 4 MS. NOEL: He gets common fare. That's 5 all I know. I don't know if he eats it. But 6 he gets common fare. 7 MR. : Would that be something 8 you supplied after 8:00 p.m.? 9 MS. NOEL: When he comes back. Yes. 10 MR. : Okay. What time is 11 typically feeding time? In the evening? 12 MS. NOEL: Um...after 4:00? 13 MR. : And so because he was 14 away, does he get -? Would he get an 15 individual tray that was saved for him or 16 provided when he returned? 17 MS. NOEL: Yes. 18 MR. : Okay. And would you 19 provide that try to him? 20 MS. NOEL: Not necessarily me just 21 whomever. 22 MR. : Did you ever? 23 MS. NOEL: Yes. 24 MR. : Okay. Did you provide 25 that to him on August 9th? EFTA00118286 62 1 MS. NOEL: Yes. 2 MR. : You were the one who did? 3 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 4 MR. : Okay. Did you ever have 5 any communications with Epstein during his stay 6 at the MCC? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : Never any conversations 9 at all? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : Okay. Did you even 12 verbal say hello - hello back? Anything like 13 that? 14 MS. NOEL: Mm. He was in the shower to 15 make a phone call. And he was calling because 16 he wanted to come out of the shower. And I 17 told him that he had to wait because there were 18 other inmates out. And you can't move him and 19 them out at the same time. That's the only 20 conversation I ever had with him. 21 MR. : And we'll get into that 22 but was that phone call on August 9, 2019? 23 MS. NOEL: Yes. 24 MR. : Okay. But when you would 25 provide food or anytime he would come back EFTA00118287 63 1 after 8:00 p.m. - even when he was coming in or 2 out, you wouldn't even say hello? 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : No? Okay. For the one 5 interaction you can think of with the phone 6 call, do you remember if that was a positive or 7 a negative interaction? Do you remember it at 8 all? Was it -? 9 MS. NOEL: It was regular. 10 MR. : Regular? 11 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 12 MR. : Did he seem upset? 13 MS. NOEL: Uh, no. 14 MR. : No? Abnormal? Anything 15 out of the ordinary? 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : No. What were your 18 instructions with regard to Epstein being 19 assigned to the SHU? 20 MS. NOEL: There was no instructions. 21 MR. : So no one said Epstein 22 was a high priority here? Pay closer attention 23 to him? 24 MS. NOEL: No. 25 MR. : Alright. So even when EFTA00118288 64 1 you had that interaction with the one 2 individual who told you that he was a high- 3 profile person, that he was in the news all the 4 time, there was never a discussed that we need 5 to pay close attention to him? 6 MS. NOEL: No. 7 MR. : And , you 8 said was the lieutenant in the SHU, he never 9 told you to pay special attention to Epstein? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : Okay. Was Epstein 12 assigned any cellmates when he was assigned to 13 the SHU? 14 MS. NOEL: Yes. 15 MR. : And do you know when he 16 was assigned to the SHU was he always assigned 17 a cellmate? 18 MS. NOEL: Um, I just know he had two 19 cellmates. 20 MR. : Okay. Two different 21 ones? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. : Alright. Did anyone ever 24 speak with you about Epstein needing a cellmate 25 when he was in the SHU? EFTA00118289 65 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : No? Who was the officer 3 in charge or the OIC in the SHU? 4 MS. NOEL: Me. 5 MR. : Um, are you talking about 6 at 12:00 a.m.? 7 MS. NOEL: Yes. On (Indiscernible 8 *00:46:06) -. 9 MR. : In general, was there 10 like one officer in charge that has like is 11 considered the OIC in the SHU? 12 MS. NOEL: That's what I'm telling you. 13 On paper, it says me. But I don't know how to 14 run the SHU. So I rely on the senior officer. 15 Well on the roster, it says that I was the OIC. 16 MR. : And -. 17 MS. NOEL: But -. 18 MR. : I think I'm just not 19 asking the question correctly. I'm not talking 20 about like from 12:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. on 21 August 10th. I mean in general. Like in July 22 and August when you were in the SHU, was there 23 one person that was considered the officer in 24 charge? Like how there's one lieutenant of the 25 SHU which was ? Was there also an officer EFTA00118290 66 1 2 3 4 in charge of the SHU? MS. NOEL: No. MR. : it Grill? Do you know who - wasn't 5 MR. -: 6 MR. : Do you know who 7 is? 8 MS. NOEL: Yes. 9 MR. : Would he be considered 10 the officer in charge? 11 MS. NOEL: See I don't know. Because on 12 the roster, it can be a different person. 13 MR. : Okay. Did have 14 like a desk or a computer area that he always 15 sat in when he was there? 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : Specifically? 18 MS. NOEL: It's the one that we all sit 19 at. 20 MR. : But he didn't have one 21 specific location that he would sit at? Like 22 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : No, he would sit 25 wherever? EFTA00118291 67 1 MS. NOEL: Yes. 2 MR. : Can you give me just like 3 a layout? How many desks and computers were 4 there in the SHU where the officers sat? 5 MS. NOEL: It was two desks. One this way 6 and one this way. 7 MR. : So kind of like an L type 8 of formation? 9 MS. NOEL: Yes. And computers, about 10 three. 11 MR. : About three computers? 12 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 13 MR. : And had you sat at all 14 three of those computers at least one time 15 during your shifts? 16 MS. NOEL: Um, yes. 17 MR. : Okay. So it's just - it 18 rotates. You can sit at each one? 19 MS. NOEL: I mean you can sit at any one. 20 MR. : And do you remember ever 21 there being a sign posted on any of the 22 computers saying that Epstein was required to 23 have a cellmate? 24 MS. NOEL: No. 25 MR. : Alright. And then EFTA00118292 68 1 . Am I pronouncing that right? 2 MR. : Yeah. 3 MR. : How do you spell that 4 last name? Do you remember? 5 MR. • • 6 MR. : Thank you Agent 7 So he didn't have a specialized computer where 8 he would have posted a sign on a computer? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : No? What about - do you 11 recall ever seeing a sign posted on Epstein's 12 door? 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : Saying that he was 15 required to have a cellmate? 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : No? Okay. Who was 18 Inmate Nicholas Tartaglione, T-A-R-T-A-G-L-I-O- 19 N-I? 20 MS. NOEL: Uh, his first um cellmate that 21 he had. 22 MR. : Epstein's first cellmate? 23 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 24 MR. : Was that his cellmate in 25 July of 2019? EFTA00118293 69 1 MS. NOEL: I'm not sure about the month, 2 but that was his first cellmate. 3 MR. : Okay. Do you recall if 4 Tartaglione was already in the SHU or was he 5 brought in specifically to be Epstein's 6 cellmate? 7 MS. NOEL: I don't know that. 8 MR. : You don't know that? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : Okay. Are you aware of 11 any issues that took place between Epstein and 12 Tartaglione when they were cellmates? 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : No. Were you aware that 15 on or around July 23 of 2019 um that Epstein 16 allegedly attempted to commit suicide? 17 MS. NOEL: I wasn't at work that day but I 18 was told. 19 MR. : Okay. And were you told 20 anything else about the incident? 21 MS. NOEL: No. 22 MR. : Are you aware if 23 Tartaglione was his inmate at the time? 24 MS. NOEL: Yes. 25 MR. : And you said you didn't EFTA00118294 70 1 have any involvement in that matter though? 2 MS. NOEL: I wasn't at work. Hm-mm. 3 MR. : Do you know if 4 Tartaglione was removed as Epstein's cellmate? 5 At that point? 6 MS. NOEL: After that he had another 7 cellmate: Reyes. 8 MR. : And do you know why they 9 changed? 10 MS. NOEL: But I don't know why. 11 MR. : Okay. Do you know who 12 would have made that decision to change 13 cellmates? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : No. Had you ever heard 16 that Tartaglione attempted to harm Epstein? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : You didn't even hear that 19 rumor? 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : Okay. Do you know what 22 was used in the incident when Epstein attempted 23 to - allegedly attempted to take his life? 24 MS. NOEL: No. 25 MR. : No? EFTA00118295 71 1 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. 2 MR. : Do you know if it was 3 like linens or a shirt or any kind of -? 4 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 5 MR. : No? 6 MS. NOEL: No. 7 MR. : No one discussed that 8 with you? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : And you didn't ask 11 anybody about it? 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : Do you know if Epstein 14 was placed on suicide watch or psychological 15 observation? 16 MS. NOEL: I think he was placed after 17 that. But I don't know which one. 18 MR. : Okay. Is it usually that 19 someone will go on suicide watch for about 24 20 hours? Then after that they would go on what's 21 called psychological observation. 22 MS. NOEL: I'm not sure. 23 MR. : You're not sure? 24 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. 25 MR. : Is that done in the SHU EFTA00118296 72 1 2 3 4 or elsewhere? MS. NOEL: MR. downstairs, what It's done downstairs. : And when you say - do you know where? 5 MS. NOEL: Where the suicide watch is or 6 Unit 2. 7 MR. : Okay. So second floor? 8 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 9 MR. : And do you know who makes 10 the determination to be able to place someone 11 on suicide watch or psychological observation? 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : No? Okay. Does it sound 14 right that he was placed on suicide watch on or 15 around July 23, 2019? And returned to the SHU 16 on or around July 30, 2019? 17 MS. NOEL: Yes. 18 MR. : That sounds about right? 19 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 20 MR. : And at that time, was 21 Epstein assigned another cellmate? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. : Who - which cellmate? 24 MS. NOEL: Reyes. 25 MR. : Reyes? EFTA00118297 73 1 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 2 MR. : On or around July 30th. 3 And who was Inmate Reyes - Efrain Reyes? 4 MS. NOEL: His cellmate. 5 MR. : Do you know anything 6 about him? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : Okay. But you do know he 9 was his cellmate from that point until about 10 August 9, 2019? 11 MS. NOEL: Yes. 12 MR. : Okay. And do you know if 13 Inmate Reyes was already in the SHU? Or was he 14 brought in specifically to be Epstein's 15 cellmate? 16 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 17 MR. : You don't know if he was 18 already in there? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : Now do you ever -? Do 21 you have any involvement with the inmates when 22 you're in there? Would you like converse with 23 them or do you just kind of -? 24 MS. NOEL: No. 25 MR. : No? so you don't -. Did EFTA00118298 74 1 you ever know why people were specifically in 2 the SHU? 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : No. Do you know why 5 Inmate Reyes was removed from the MCC on August 6 9, 2019? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : So even at this point do 9 you know why he was removed? 10 MS. NOEL: No. I didn't even know he was 11 removed. 12 MR. : No, I'm saying even today 13 do you know that? 14 MS. NOEL: Oh, no. 15 MR. : You don't even know that 16 he was removed? 17 MS. NOEL: No. I'm saying at that point 18 in time, I didn't know that he was removed. 19 MR. : Yeah. So I'm even saying 20 as of today -. 21 MS. NOEL: But for now, I don't know the 22 reason why he was removed. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MS. NOEL: No. 25 MR. : But you do know that he EFTA00118299 75 1 was removed? 2 MS. NOEL: Yes. 3 MR. : And did you know that he 4 was removed on August 9, 2019? 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : So even on August 9th you 7 didn't know that he was removed? 8 MS. NOEL: No. 9 MR. : You knew that Epstein had 10 a cellmate. You just didn't know that he 11 didn't have a cellmate on that day? 12 MS. NOEL: He had a cellmate. I didn't 13 know that the cellmate was removed and wasn't 14 coming back. 15 MR. : Okay. So you never 16 learned on August 9th or August 10th for that 17 matter, prior to 6:30 that there was no other 18 inmate within Epstein's cell? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : Okay. And do you know if 21 anybody was aware that Reyes was departing the 22 MCC or SHU prior to August 9, 2019? 23 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 24 MR. : You don't even know that 25 - you know at this point- if anyone was aware? EFTA00118300 76 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : No. Do you know if it 3 was anticipated or not an anticipated move? 4 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 5 MR. : No? So on August 9th 6 during your time from 4:00 p.m. even to just 7 12:00 a.m. That was not discussed with you at 8 all or within the SHU? That Epstein's roommate 9 Reyes was removed? 10 MS. NOEL: Never. 11 MR. : Never? 12 MS. NOEL: Never. 13 MR. : Okay. And are you pretty 14 confident about that? 15 MS. NOEL: Yes. 16 MR. : Okay. Are you aware if 17 Epstein should have been reassigned a cellmate 18 after Inmate Reyes was removed on August 9, 19 2019? 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : So you're not aware? 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : If he should have been? 24 MS. NOEL: No. 25 MR. : So your understanding was EFTA00118301 77 1 he had cellmates. You just didn't know if one 2 of them was removed that he should be 3 reassigned one? 4 MS. NOEL: Exactly. Mm-hmm. 5 MR. : Okay. Do you know who 6 was responsible for assigning Epstein a new 7 cellmate? 8 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 9 MR. : No. Could SHU staff have 10 assigned Epstein a new cellmate? Would you 11 have the authority being - working in the SHU 12 if you knew someone was supposed to have a 13 cellmate? Do you have the authority to place 14 another inmate with that person? 15 MS. NOEL: See I don't know. Because I'm 16 that new. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 MS. NOEL: So like I said, I rely on the 19 senior person a lot. So I don't know. like 20 that would be a question I would ask them. So 21 I don't know. 22 MR. : When you were - during 23 your time in the SHU, which you said I guess 24 was from you know late June through August 9th 25 or 10th. Did you ever see that happen before? EFTA00118302 78 1 SHU staff assign inmates with other inmates? 2 MS. NOEL: When an inmate comes, they 3 place them with another inmate. 4 MR. : And would they do that 5 based upon their own responsibilities and 6 duties or would someone tell them to do that? 7 MS. NOEL: See I don't know. 8 MR. : You don't even know? 9 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. 10 MR. : Okay. So you saw people 11 be assigned with other ones, but you don't know 12 how -- 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : -- that was determined? 15 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 16 MR. : Okay. So you don't even 17 know if you could have assigned Epstein a new 18 celimate? 19 MR. : I don't know. 20 MR. : Do you know if SHU staff 21 should have assigned? You know like Or I 22 guess you just answered that. So you said you 23 know. And again, on August 9th, no one 24 notified you that Reyes was gone from the SHU? 25 MS. NOEL: No. EFTA00118303 79 1 MR. : And you were working in 2 the SHU. 3 MS. NOEL: Nope. 4 MR. : Do they typically tell 5 you when an inmate in the SHU is - has left and 6 is not coming back? 7 MS. NOEL: Nobody said anything to me. I 8 don't know. 9 MR. : Because don't you have to 10 be able to keep your counts correct? And be 11 able to know how many people are in the SHU? 12 So if someone is removed, don't they have to 13 tell you? This person's not coming back so 14 your count is going to be lower. 15 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. But it wasn't told to 16 me. So I don't know. 17 MR. : Um okay. Do you know who 18 the MCC staff psychologists were in August of 19 2019? 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : Do you have any dealings 22 with them at all? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : Does the name 25 ring a bell? EFTA00118304 80 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : No? How about staff 3 psychologist 4 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. I know her. 5 MR. : Okay. Who is she? 6 MS. NOEL: She's one of the psychologists. 7 MR. : Okay. And did you heave 8 dealings with her? 9 MS. NOEL: I had dealings with her after. 10 MR. : You after August 10th? 11 MS. NOEL: Like on August 10th she came to 12 the unit. 13 MR. : Okay. Prior to August 14 10th did you have any dealings with her? 15 MS. NOEL: No not really. 16 MR. : No. What about a 17 18 MS. NOEL: Yes I know her. 19 MR. : And who is she? 20 MS. NOEL: A psychologist. 21 MR. : Did you have any dealings 22 with her? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : So only with 25 EFTA00118305 81 1 MS. NOEL: Yes but she came after the 2 incident. 3 MR. : But what was your dealing 4 with her after the incident? 5 MS. NOEL: She just asked was I alright. 6 MR. : Okay. Did she ask you 7 anything about Epstein or his cellmate or 8 anything like that? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : No? So it was specific 11 to you? 12 MS. NOEL: Yes. 13 MR. : Okay. Are you aware was 14 Epstein meeting with staff psychologists during 15 his stay at the MCC? 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : No. Would have he met 18 with them I guess during suicide watch and 19 psychological obviously? 20 MS. NOEL: Yes. 21 MR. : Okay. So that. Did you 22 know that he did meet with them then? 23 MS. NOEL: I don't know if he did, but I'm 24 going to assume he did. 25 MR. : Okay. But you do know EFTA00118306 82 1 that he was placed on suicide watch? 2 MS. NOEL: Yes. 3 MR. : And they never - no one 4 from psychology ever provided you instructions 5 with regard to when he returned - how he was to 6 be treated? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : Or that he was - needed 9 to have a cellmate at all times. 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : Or that you needed to 12 watch him? 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : Do you know who placed 15 him on suicide watch? 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : No? So what is your 18 understanding of suicide watch? When someone 19 is on suicide watch and comes back. What is 20 your understanding of how you're supposed to 21 treat those people? Now my understanding is 22 that you would have received this training you 23 know. Now I know you said you didn't do the 24 SHU training. But the other trainings that you 25 attended - the IF, the MCC annual, and the EFTA00118307 83 1 correctional officer training at FLETC. Did 2 they discuss suicide? 3 MS. NOEL: I mean if someone is like 4 explains to you that they're feeling a certain 5 kind of way or they want to harm themselves, 6 then you report it to them. They will place 7 them on suicide watch. But as far as when they 8 return, there's no - nothing special that we're 9 told to do when someone returns from suicide 10 watch. 11 MR. : So they don't tell you 12 like this person's on suicide watch, he's 13 returning, he needs, you know a high likelihood 14 of attempting to harm himself. 15 MS. NOEL: No. 16 MR. : We should place him with 17 another cellmate. 18 MS. NOEL: No. 19 MR. : That we should watch him. 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : Or make sure that he 22 hasn't harmed himself. 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : Or pay special close 25 attention to that individual. EFTA00118308 84 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : You said suicide watch 3 though, that is on the second floor? 4 MS. NOEL: Yes. 5 MR. : Okay. So you're not 6 aware that the requirement that if someone is 7 returned to the SHU that they're required to 8 have a cellmate if they were on suicide watch? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : Do you know the 11 difference between suicide watch and 12 psychological observation? 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : No? Are they both done 15 in - on the second floor? 16 MS. NOEL: Yes. 17 MR. : Okay. But you don't even 18 know what that is? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : Did you know that Epstein 21 was also on psychological observation? 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : No? Just suicide watch? 24 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 25 MR. : And to you it's one and EFTA00118309 85 1 the same thing? 2 MS. NOEL: Yes. 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 5 MR. : And I did ask about 6 suicide watch, but do you know who placed 7 Epstein on psychological observation? 8 MS. NOEL: No. 9 MR. : No? And you don't know - 10 Are inmates that come from psychological 11 observation required to have a cellmate? 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : You don't know? 14 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 15 MR. : So were you aware of any 16 inmates that are in the SHU that were on 17 suicide watch - came from suicide watch and 18 psychological observation? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : And again, that hotlist. 21 Did you say that you do remember there being 22 one? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : In the SHU? 25 MS. NOEL: No. EFTA00118310 86 1 MR. : So you don't even 2 remember there being a hotlist in the SHU? 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : Would you like look 5 around at the boards and look at the walls and 6 see different things? 7 MS. NOEL: There is no board. 8 MR. : No? There's no like 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : -- where the post orders 11 are - where are they kept as -. 12 MS. NOEL: It's on the desk. 13 MR. : Was there also on the 14 desk something called the hotlist? 15 MS. NOEL: No. 16 MR. : Was there a list on the 17 desk that had like inmate's names and anything 18 next to them? Like a description? 19 MS. NOEL: There's a roster. 20 MR. : A roster like of all the 21 inmates in the SHU? Total? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. : Well what about like - 24 and I only say this because I know that there 25 was one. So you don't recall saying like - EFTA00118311 87 1 seeing like one list where there's special 2 people assigned to that list called the 3 hotlist? 4 MS. NOEL: No. 5 MR. : No? And you did work 6 there all June, July, and August? Or not all 7 end of June, July, and then it's August. 8 MS. NOEL: Yes. 9 MR. : Did any staff 10 psychologist visit the SHU? 11 MS. NOEL: Yes. 12 MR. : Did they ever visit 13 Epstein in the SHU? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : No? What time typically 16 would they come to the SHU when they would 17 visit? 18 MS. NOEL: Um like after -. When I worked 19 the 8:00 to 4:00. I don't know. Sometime in 20 the day like maybe around 12:00. 21 MR. : And would they not have 22 come to the SHU to see Epstein because he 23 wasn't there at 12:00? 24 MS. NOEL: Because he wasn't there. 25 MR. : Do you know if they ever EFTA00118312 88 1 visited him when he was with his attorneys? 2 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 3 MR. : You don't know. So did 4 anyone - so psychologist, peers, supervisors, 5 or anyone else - ever tell you that Epstein was 6 required to have a cellmate? 7 MS. NOEL: Nobody. 8 MR. : Nobody. Did you ever 9 receive any emails? So any type or form of 10 communication? So not just verbal. Emails and 11 writing, text messages - anything? 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : No? Do you have that 14 email? This isn't an email that was sent to 15 you. I just want to see if you - if someone 16 ever forwarded this to you. Did anyone ever 17 forward you -? This is -. First of all, this 18 is an email from . It says 19 suicide watch / psychological observation 20 update. It's what was sent on July 30, 2019. 21 It says inmate Epstein is being taken off 22 psychological observation and needs to be 23 housed with an appropriate cellmate. Did 24 anyone ever forward this information to you? 25 Being that you worked in the SHU where he was EFTA00118313 89 1 assigned? 2 MS. NOEL: No. 3 MR. : No? So no one ever 4 discussed that with you in the SHU? Like none 5 of the other employees in the SHU that would 6 have received this? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : Do you know why other 9 employees would have received this and you 10 wouldn't have? 11 MS. NOEL: I'm not going to say that they 12 received it and I didn't. 13 MR. : Well if you look at the 14 back it's all the people that it was sent to. 15 So if you go to the last page, do you recognize 16 any of the people on there that worked in the 17 SHU with you? The names. Look at the last - 18 sorry, that middle page and toward the bottom. 19 The following page I think. Middle, toward the 20 bottom. 21 MS. NOEL: That's the lieutenant. 22 MR. : Do you recognize 23 on there? 24 MS. NOEL: Yes. But this is not sent 25 This is not the workers. EFTA00118314 90 1 MR. : None of those people were 2 assigned to the SHU? Towards the bottom of 3 that? 4 MS. NOEL: No. 5 MR. : No? Okay. So just the 6 only person that you see on that is Lieutenant 7 8 MS. NOEL: 9 MR. : And he never discussed 10 that matter with you? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : If you don't mind, could 13 you initial and date it? 14 MS. NOEL: I initialed. 15 MR. : And date. 16 MS. NOEL: Ten.... 17 MR. : The 22nd. 6/22/21. 18 MR. : Agent just has a 19 couple questions on that. 20 MR. : Here. 21 MR. : During your time in the SHU - 22 - 23 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 24 MR. : Did any new inmates come in 25 during your shift? EFTA00118315 91 1 MS. NOEL: On that specific day or in 2 general? 3 MR. : Yeah. From June to August. 4 When you worked in the SHU. Did the SHU 5 receive any new inmates? 6 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 7 MR. : When they came in, how did 8 you assign the inmates? 9 MS. NOEL: I didn't. The senior officer 10 did. 11 MR. : Senior officer. Did you see 12 them assign inmates? Assign a cell to them. 13 MS. NOEL: Like they put them in a cell? 14 Yes. 15 MR. : Were they ever put by 16 themselves? 17 MS. NOEL: I don't remember. 18 MR. : Do you recall any inmates 19 being placed by themselves in the SHU? 20 MS. NOEL: I think there was one inmate by 21 himself. 22 MR. : Any reason why he was placed 23 by himself? 24 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 25 MR. : So of all the inmates, EFTA00118316 92 1 there was only one that was by themselves? 2 MS. NOEL: I think it was an inmate by 3 himself on G tier. 4 MR. : Now you mentioned that day 5 were you on August 9th you were notified that 6 Efren Reyes was removed. But during your time 7 in the SHU, were you ever notified if an inmate 8 was ever removed from the SHU for whatever 9 reason? Were you notified about it? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : How would you find out if the 12 inmate was supposed to be in the SHU or not? 13 MS. NOEL: How would I find out if an 14 inmate is supposed -? 15 MR. : Let's say the morning 16 started. 17 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 18 MR. : You came on shift at 2:00 19 p.m. or possibly 4:00. After that, there's 20 counts and rounds. When you do the counts, 21 right. I just want to know in terms of how 22 would you know if an inmate was removed or not? 23 MS. NOEL: When I count and he's not 24 there. 25 MR. : You wouldn't be notified any EFTA00118317 93 1 other way? 2 MS. NOEL: No. 3 MR. : That's all I have. 4 MR. : And I know we discussed 5 the cellmates, but were you ever told you 6 needed to keep a close watch on Epstein 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : -- when he was there? 9 No? Who was the MCC warden in July and August 10 of 2019? 11 MS. NOEL: 12 MR. : Is that 13 MS. NOEL: Yes. 14 MR. : Okay. What 15 communications did you have with the warden 16 with regard to Epstein being housed within the 17 MCC or the MCC SHU? 18 MS. NOEL: None. 19 MR. : None. And he never 20 provided you special instructions with regard 21 to Epstein? 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : Did the warden ever tell 24 you that Epstein was required to have a 25 cellmate? EFTA00118318 94 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : Did the warden ever visit 3 the SHU during Epstein's stay at the MCC? 4 MS. NOEL: I don't know. Not on my shift. 5 MR. : Not during your shift? 6 MS. NOEL: No. 7 MR. : No? Okay. Do you know 8 if the warden ever met with Epstein during his 9 stay? 10 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 11 MR. : Who were the MCC 12 associate wardens in August of 2019? 13 MS. NOEL: Um, associate warden was 14 15 MR. 16 MS. NOEL: Yes. 17 MR. : Anyone else? That you're 18 aware of? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : Okay. And what 21 communications did you have with 22 or the other AW with regard to 23 Epstein being housed within the MCC or the MCC 24 SHU? 25 MS. NOEL: None. EFTA00118319 95 1 MR. : None? Would you have 2 communications with any of the AWs? 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : No? So did you not even 5 ever speak with them? 6 MS. NOEL: Not in the SHU. 7 MR. : Not in the SHU. When 8 would you speak with them? 9 MS. NOEL: On the regular housing unit 10 when they made rounds. 11 MR. : So in July and August did 12 you ever speak with them that you recall? 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : No. So not since you 15 were assigned to the SHU at the end of June. 16 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 17 MR. : Okay. What about the 18 warden? Is that the same thing? 19 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 20 MR. : No communications? 21 MR. FOY: Don't know. 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : No? 24 MR. FOY: Don't answer if you don't know. 25 MS. NOEL: Okay. EFTA00118320 96 1 MR. FOY: Okay? 2 MR. : Do you know if any of the 3 AWs ever visited the SHU during Epstein's stay? 4 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 5 MR. : You don't know. Not 6 during your watch though? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : Okay. Do you know if any 9 of the AWs ever met with Epstein during his 10 stay at the MCC? 11 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 12 MR. : You don't know. But not 13 when you were in the SHU? 14 MS. NOEL: Not on my shift. 15 MR. : Who was the MCC captain 16 in July and August of 2019? 17 MS. NOEL: 18 MR. : Is that 19 MS. NOEL: Yes. 20 MR. : Okay. And what 21 communications did you have with 22 with regard to Epstein being housed within the 23 MCC or the MCC SHU? 24 MS. NOEL: None. 25 MR. : None? And did he ever EFTA00118321 97 1 provide you with special instructions with 2 regards to Epstein? 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. -• 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : Did the captain ever tell 7 you that Epstein was required to have a 8 cellmate? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : In the SHU? No? Did the 11 captain ever visit the SHU during Epstein stay 12 at the MCC? 13 MS. NOEL: Not on my shift. 14 MR. : Not during your time? 15 Okay. And do you know if the captain ever met 16 with Epstein during his stay at the MCC? 17 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 18 MR. : You don't know. So who - 19 ? I'm going to give you now just because 20 Uh okay, where are the rosters? I'm going to 21 ask her about some of the supervisors that were 22 on duty. So are you familiar with these 23 rosters? Like just by looking at it are you 24 able to decipher who was on duty and who 25 wasn't? Or who was on duty on August 9th and EFTA00118322 98 1 2 3 4 10th? I'm giving you the MCC New York daily assignment roster. So there's August 9th and August 10th. So who were the MCC supervisors on duty with responsibility for overseeing the 5 SHU on August 9th and 10th? Do you recall if 6 was there on August 9th or 7 10th? 8 MS. NOEL: I don't recall. 9 MR. : You don't recall. 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : Okay. So he wasn't 12 there. So if he's not there, who has oversight 13 over the SHU? 14 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 15 MR. : Do you - would it be the 16 operations lieutenant or the activities 17 lieutenant? 18 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 19 MR. : You don't even know who 20 is - that would have responsibility if the 21 lieutenant of the SHU wasn't there? 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : Would anybody if 24 wasn't there check in with you? 25 MS. NOEL: I mean the other lieutenant EFTA00118323 99 1 would make a round. 2 MR. : What other lieutenant 3 would that be? 4 MS. NOEL: Whoever was on. You mean that 5 day? 6 MR. : Yes. On August 9th and 7 August 10th. I'm wondering who had 8 responsibility of the SHU? If 9 wasn't there. He was the SHU lieutenant. 10 MS. NOEL: In the daytime, it was a 11 regular officer acting. 12 MR. : Okay. 13 MS. NOEL: From the when I was on at 4:00 14 to 12:00. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MS. NOEL: And then from midnight it was 17 Lieutenant 18 MR. : Okay. So would that 19 other person that you're referring to. Do you 20 know who that was? 21 MS. NOEL: The acting? That was acting? 22 MR. : Acting. 23 MS. NOEL: 24 MR. : SOS 25 MS. NOEL: Say that again. EFTA00118324 100 1 MR. : Was it SOS 2 Senior Officer Specialist 3 MS. NOEL: Yes. 4 MR. : Is that 5 MS. NOEL: (Indiscernible *01:11:25) 6 MR. : I might be saying that 7 name wrong. 8 MS. NOEL: I'm not sure of her first name, 9 but 10 MR. : That's fine. Okay. So 11 those are the two that you remember: 12 and 13 MS. NOEL: Was Acting in the day. Yes. 14 MR. : Okay. What about by 15 looking at that. Would the - do you see where 16 it says 17 MS. NOEL: Yes. 18 MR. : Would that person have 19 oversight over the SHU from - does it say that 20 that person was the operations lieutenant? 21 MS. NOEL: That's what it says here but I 22 didn't see 23 MR. : And do you know as being 24 the operations lieutenant would they be 25 responsible fox overseeing the SW? If -? EFTA00118325 101 1 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 2 MR. : You don't even know that? 3 Okay. So you don't know if after -. Is it 4 true that after replaced him 5 as the operations lieutenant? 6 MS. NOEL: According to this, yes. 7 MR. : Okay. And you're not 8 aware that that person would have oversight 9 over the SHU? 10 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 11 MR. : You don't know. No one 12 ever talked to you about isn't there. Who 13 should you go to if there are any problems or 14 who would check in with you? 15 MS. NOEL: No. I would call downstairs to 16 the lieutenant's office. 17 MR. : And would you just talk 18 to whoever answered? 19 MS. NOEL: Yes. 20 MR. : And who would sit in the 21 lieutenant's office? 22 MS. NOEL: The lieutenants. 23 MR. : All of them? 24 MS. NOEL: Yes. 25 MR. : So it wouldn't be like EFTA00118326 102 1 2 3 4 the operations lieutenant and the activities lieutenant? MS. NOEL: No. All the lieutenants. MR. : Okay. They all just sit 5 in there together? 6 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 7 MR. : Not one of them 8 specifically answers the phone though? Just -? 9 MS. NOEL: No. Anybody. 10 MR. : Okay. Do you remember -? 11 Again, was reportedly off on 12 August 9th and August 10th. 13 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 14 MR. : Do you recall ever seeing 15 him on August 9th or August 10th? 16 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. 17 MR. : Where would Lieutenant 18 sit? When he was at the MCC? 19 MS. NOEL: Upstairs. 20 MR. : When you say upstairs, 21 upstairs where? 22 MS. NOEL: There's an office right next to 23 10 South upstairs there. 24 MR. : Within the SHU? 25 MS. NOEL: Yes. EFTA00118327 103 1 MR. : Okay. So he was 2 physically in the SHU? 3 MS. NOEL: Yes. 4 MR. : Alright. So when he 5 wasn't there, would any other lieutenant come 6 visit the SHU? 7 MS. NOEL: When they make rounds. 8 MR. : Okay. When they make 9 rounds. And do you remember if that person was 10 the acting or the operations lieutenant or the 11 activities lieutenant? The person that would 12 do those rounds? 13 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 14 MR. : You don't know. you just 15 knew that they were a lieutenant. 16 MS. NOEL: Yes. 17 MR. : Okay. So would you even 18 be provided that information where there's a 19 duty agent roster? Is that something that 20 would be like, hey. It's up. If I need to get 21 in contact with somebody, I can look at that 22 roster and see who is where? 23 MS. NOEL: No. Just call the lieutenant's 24 office. 25 MR. : Just call the EFTA00118328 104 1 lieutenant's office. 2 MS. NOEL: Yes. 3 MR. : Okay. And I believe you 4 answered this, but did you have any 5 communications with regarding 6 Epstein at all? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : So he never provided you 9 any special instructions with Epstein? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : And you never - 12 never told you Epstein was 13 required to have a cellmate in the SHU? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : Do you know who 16 Operations Lieutenant was from 17 August 9th? Do you know that individual? 18 MS. NOEL: Yes. 19 MR. : But as the operations 20 lieutenant, you don't know that he was 21 responsible for overseeing the SHU on August 9, 22 2019? 23 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 24 MR. : Did you have any 25 communications with regarding EFTA00118329 105 1 Epstein being housed at the MCC or in the SHU? 2 MS. NOEL: No. 3 MR. : He never did - did 4 ever provide you with special 5 instructions with regard to Epstein? 6 MS. NOEL: No. 7 MR. : Did ever 8 tell you that Epstein was required to have a 9 cellmate while he was assigned to the SHU? 10 MS. NOEL: No. I'm going to ask you these 11 questions with a couple people. So I just want 12 you to like really think about those people and 13 they're going to be repetitive. 14 MS. NOEL: Okay. 15 MR. : Because I know you can 16 just simply say I didn't have any 17 communications. But I want you to really think 18 about that individual and any communications 19 you had with that person with regard to Epstein 20 and the SHU and your assignments. Okay? 21 MS. NOEL: Okay. 22 MR. : Who is Lieutenant 23 24 MS. NOEL: A lieutenant. 25 MR. : A lieutenant. By looking EFTA00118330 106 1 at that roster, was he on it on August 9th? 2 MS. NOEL: No. 3 MR. : No. Do you know if he 4 was physically present at -? Do you recall if 5 he was physically present on August 9th? 6 MS. NOEL: I don't recall. 7 MR. : He was reportedly on sick 8 leave. I just want to make sure that he wasn't 9 there. 10 MS. NOEL: Okay. 11 MR. : So you don't recall 12 having any communications with him? 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : Alright. And did 15 Lieutenant ever provide you with special 16 instructions with regard to Epstein? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : No. Did Lieutenant 19 ever tell you that Epstein was required 20 to have a cellmate while he was assigned to the 21 SHU? 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : And then this is who you 24 were just referring to. Who was senior officer 25 specialist EFTA00118331 107 1 MS. NOEL: An officer. 2 MR. : And on August 9th, was 3 she the acting lieutenant responsible for 4 overseeing the SHU? 5 MS. NOEL: I don't know if she was 6 responsible for overseeing the SHU, but I know 7 she was the acting lieutenant. I don't know 8 for the whole building. 9 MR. : But you said she -- 10 MS. NOEL: But she -. 11 MR. : -- conducted a round? 12 MS. NOEL: She did. 13 MR. : Okay. So if she 14 conducted a round, would that lead you to 15 believe that she was probably -? Hey, 16 isn't there, she's conducting 17 the round here, she's probably got oversight 18 over the SHU? 19 MS. NOEL: I don't know. It could be 20 another lieutenant also. I don't know. 21 MR. : Okay. Did she visit the 22 SHU on August 9, 2019? 23 MS. NOEL: Yeah, she did. 24 MR. : And what time was she on 25 duty on August 9th? By looking at that roster. EFTA00118332 108 1 Can you tell? 2 MS. NOEL: It says 8:00 to 4:00. 3 MR. : I think it would just be 4 on that first page. 5 MR. : Is that August 10th or 9th? 6 MS. NOEL: This is 9th. 7 MR. : It just says 8:00 to 8 4:00? 9 MS. NOEL: Yes. 10 MR. : Can you check on the 11 lieutenants column up top? 12 MS. NOEL: (Indiscernible *01:17:34) 13 MR. : Is there a name? 14 MR. : It should be under 15 activities lieutenant. 16 MS. NOEL: Oh yeah. 4:00 to midnight. 17 MR. : 4:00 to midnight? Okay. 18 So you knew that - you do recall having an 19 interaction with her. Did she have any 20 communications with - we're talking 21 about now - with regard to Epstein being housed 22 within MCC or the SHU? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : No? And did she provide 25 you with any special instructions with regard EFTA00118333 109 1 to Epstein? 2 MS. NOEL: No. 3 MR. : Did SOS ever tell 4 you that Epstein was required to have a 5 cellmate when he was assigned to the SHU? 6 MS. NOEL: No. 7 MR. : Okay. Now we're going to 8 go on to some staff members. Who was present 9 in the SHU when you worked in the SHU on August 10 9, 2019? So you said you were from 4:00 to 11 midnight on that August 9th. Do you recall who 12 that was? 13 MS. NOEL: and 14 MR. : Just and 15 When you arrived to the SHU was anybody else 16 there? Do you recall replacing? 17 MS. NOEL: I don't remember who I 18 relieved. 19 MR. : Do you know a 20 21 MR. _: 22 MS. NOEL: 23 MR. -' 24 MS. NOEL: Yes. 25 MR. : Alright. And EFTA00118334 110 1 2 3 4 MS. NOEL: Yes. MR. Were either of them in the SHU on August 9, 2019? 5 MS. NOEL: 6 MR. -• 7 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 8 9 MR. not : But while you were there, 10 MS. NOEL: I don't remember. But I 11 remember because he spoke to me. 12 MR. : Okay. So 13 and are the people that you 14 remember that were in the SHU? 15 MS. NOEL: Yes. 16 MR. : Okay. And you said that 17 you remember speaking with you? 18 MS. NOEL: Yes. 19 MR. : About what? 20 MS. NOEL: He told me he placed Epstein in 21 the shower to use the phone. And he called and 22 told me to take the phone from him. 23 MR. : Can you give me a little 24 more detail on that? What do you mean? 25 MS. NOEL: So because he -. EFTA00118335 111 1 MR. : Just walk me through. 2 This one is one of those ones I'll ask you to 3 explain a little more. Can you just from eh 4 start of the conversation to what you did with 5 Epstein to the finish. 6 MS. NOEL: Okay. So Epstein stays in 7 attorney conference all day. So I guess when 8 it's time to use the phone, he's not present. 9 So when he came upstairs, gave him the 10 phone in the shower to use the phone. And then 11 left. He called on the phone. I 12 happened to answer and he said, "Hey can you 13 take the phone from Epstein? Because the time 14 is up." So -. 15 MR. : So when he gave him the 16 phone he left and no one else was present with 17 Epstein when he was on the phone? 18 MS. NOEL: No. Nobody was there. 19 MR. : Do you know that to be a 20 legitimate practice? 21 MS. NOEL: I mean it's in the SHU, so 22 yeah. 23 MR. : So is no one supposed to 24 be - because is the SHU a recorded line? 25 MS. NOEL: I don't know. EFTA00118336 112 1 MR. : So do you know if someone 2 is calling from a non-recorded line, are you 3 supposed to take notes of that call? 4 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 5 MR. : Do you know if you're 6 supposed to log the telephone call in any kind 7 of a logbook? 8 MS. NOEL: No. 9 MR. : Okay. So your 10 understanding is gave him - plugged in 11 the line, gave him the phone, and then left? 12 MS. NOEL: Yes. 13 MR. : No one was there to 14 monitor? 15 MR. : Okay. So he -. 16 MS. NOEL: We were in the SHU, but nobody 17 was monitoring him. 18 MR. : How far away from you was 19 he when he was making this call? 20 MS. NOEL: He was on G tier. And like 21 that's far from the desk. 22 MR. : Approximately - do you 23 know how to like -? 24 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 25 MR. : Is it like from here to EFTA00118337 113 1 like that fire extinguisher over there? Or is 2 it further? 3 MS. NOEL: No. Maybe from the wall by the 4 AC to over there. 5 MR. : Okay. So approximately 6 25 feet? 7 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 8 MR. : Could you hear his 9 conversation from there? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : And were you asked to 12 listen to his conversation? 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : Prior to placing the 15 call, did speak to you at all? 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : So just after he placed 18 the call, he called you and what did he say? 19 MS. NOEL: He said to take the phone from 20 him because the time is up. 21 MR. : Do you know how long he 22 was on that phone? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : Were you watching him 25 while he was on that phone? EFTA00118338 114 1 2 3 4 MS. NOEL: No. MR. : Was it abnormal for an inmate to be out by himself on the phone in the SHU? 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : So they can just freely - 7 that's not an abnormal circumstance? 8 MS. NOEL: No because he wasn't free. He 9 was in a cell. He was in a cell on the phone. 10 But he -. 11 MR. : Oh so he was in a cell? 12 MS. NOEL: Yeah but he was - he was in the 13 14 shower because the the didn't work. - where his cell is, So he was placed in the 15 shower to use the phone there. But the shower 16 is like a cell. 17 18 MR. closed -- : Okay. So was the door 19 MS. NOEL: Yes. 20 MR. : -- in the cell? So he 21 was in the shower area. Was he by himself? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. Were showers running? 24 MS. NOEL: No. 25 MR. : He was just - he placed EFTA00118339 115 1 the call in the shower, cell closed behind him, 2 it was approximately 25 feet from you but you 3 didn't hear anything? 4 MS. NOEL: No. 5 MR. : And he didn't - and 6 didn't instruct you? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : Did you ever experience 9 that prior to that instance? Where an inmate 10 would do that in the SHU? 11 MS. NOEL: Yeah. If they have to use the 12 phone and where there cell is, it's not 13 working. They place them in there because they 14 have to plug it close to where they can have 15 access to the phone. 16 MR. : Okay. So in their cells 17 do they have cell lines that they can typically 18 call from? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : Are the inmates provided 21 anything to be able to make calls? 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : Some kind of a card pass 24 or number or like something to be able to -? 25 MS. NOEL: Oh, like a pack and - yeah. EFTA00118340 116 1 MR. : Okay. Can you explain 2 what that is? 3 MS. NOEL: I mean I don't know too much 4 about it. I just know that they have a PIN 5 that they use to use the phone. 6 MR. : Okay. Do you know if 7 Epstein had that PIN to use the phone? 8 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 9 MR. : But specifically with 10 regard to the shower, having an inmate call 11 from the shower, have you ever experienced that 12 before? 13 MS. NOEL: Yes. 14 MR. : When was the last time 15 you had experienced that prior to August 9th? 16 MS. NOEL: If the is not working. 17 The that's closest to their door. If it's 18 not working, then it's being plugged at the 19 bottom where the shower is. So you place them 20 in the shower just so they can reach the phone. 21 MR. : And do you know if that 22 was an authorized practice? 23 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 24 MR. : Okay. And did you ever 25 place anybody in the shower to do that? EFTA00118341 117 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : No? 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : Who typically does that? 5 MS. NOEL: The officers. 6 MR. : Okay. But not you, 7 right? 8 MS. NOEL: No. 9 MR. : Would you ever allow 10 inmates to place calls? 11 MS. NOEL: When -. 12 MR. : You personally. 13 MS. NOEL: When I come on, they have 14 already like got their phone calls. 15 MR. : Oh, okay. So it's not 16 typically one of your responsibilities? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : What was unique about 19 this situation with Epstein? 20 MS. NOEL: Well I guess because he's 21 always downstairs, so they made an exception 22 for him to make a call. 23 MR. : Okay. Do we need to take 24 a break? 25 MR. FOY: DO you need to use the bathroom EFTA00118342 118 1 2 3 4 or anything? MS. NOEL: No. MR. FOY: We can continue. MR. Great. Alright. So what 5 were instructions. You said that 6 he's - his time is up. So what's - how much 7 time is he allotted? 8 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 9 MR. : Do you know how long he 10 was in that shower? 11 MS. NOEL: Mm.... I don't know. 12 MR. : You don't know. Was it 13 like 5 minutes, 10 minutes -? 14 MS. NOEL: It wasn't 5 minutes. He was in 15 there for maybe 20 minutes. 16 MR. : 20 minutes? Okay. And 17 where was 18 MS. NOEL: He was gone. 19 MR. : Like left the SHU 20 altogether? 21 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 22 MR. : So he placed him in there 23 -- 24 MS. NOEL: Sorry. 25 MR. : -- left the SHU, and then EFTA00118343 119 1 where did he call you from in order to say get 2 the phone from him? 3 MS. NOEL: A phone in the building. I 4 don't know where because it doesn't say where. 5 Like the phone rang and I answered. And he 6 just told me to take the phone from Epstein. 7 His time is up. 8 MR. : Is that weird to you at 9 all? That he again, he gave someone a phone, 10 put them in the shower and then left? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : That's not weird? 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : Okay. But without 15 providing anybody -. Did you know if he - 16 - provided anybody instructions prior 17 to him departing the SHU? 18 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 19 MR. 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. You don't know. : Who else was in the SHU 22 with you at that time? 23 MS. NOEL: and 24 MR. : And did you recall when 25 around that took place? EFTA00118344 120 1 MS. NOEL: