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grew up in Phoenix Arizona. The highest level of education completed was masters degree
and he is currently a baker. He is currently starting a bakery with his fiancé and still lives in Arizona.
knows
from growing up as they went to neighboring high schools. She went
to a catholic girl's high school and
went to a catholic boy's high school. He first met her in
April of 1996 at the junior year prom. They met at the after party and became friends. In the fall of
1996 around September they started dating. They dated all though senior year from 1996-1997. They
would then date on and off through 1999. They went to college on separate coasts but remained
friends through college. They the dated again after college on 2001-2002. After that they continued to
remain close friends and would talk on average once a month.
The first time that
talked with
about EPSTEIN was around the late fall/ winter
of 1996-1997.
and
had started to become physically intimate when
had some hesitation and began to cry.
thinks this may have been the first time she
mentioned it to him. She talked about the time in New Mexico. She did not go into great depth the first
time they talked about it but she would talk about it more over time.
was her confidant at
the time.
During their first detailed conversation they discussed her trip to New Mexico, the arrangements at the
house and the sequence of events while there. This was the first time that
mentioned
EPSTEIN and MAXWELL to
. She gave
some background on EPSTEIN. She told
about EPSTEIN's relationship with her sister
and that's how
met him. She told
about EPSTEIN's interest in
art and how he would buy
her paintings and help her with connections in New York. EPSTEIN would learn through
that she had a younger sister (
that was getting ready to go to college. EPSTEIN told
he may be able to help
get into college and help pay for it.
did not come from a wealthy background. Her mother was a single mom. EPSTEIN
helped
with a trip to Thailand. He offered to make the trip happen for her.
believed he was a wealthy benefactor that helped
and her family because he was a fan
of her art.
The Thailand trip was in the summer, just after
met
at prom. At the time he
didn't know anyone helping with the trip, he just knew
was going. They both traveled
over that summer. They would keep in touch during that summer by writing letters to each other, like
pen pals.
recalls MAXWELL over the description of events from New Mexico.
recalls asking
what the purpose of the trip was.
knew
was going to the ranch. MULLIGAM
thought she was going for an enrichment program.
thought EPSTEIN was a "do gooder". He
thought that because
was coming from a single family home.
thought
there was going to be other kids there and that she would go horseback riding and do bonding activities
with other girls.
told
that she showed up at the ranch and she was the only
one there.
thinks she was very uncomfortable about it but did not know how to say it. She
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wanted to play it safe with EPSTEIN because she didn't want to mess up his relationship with
didn't want to ask EPSTEIN or MAXWELL why other girls were not there.
tells
that MAXWELL picked her up and took her shopping, bought cowboy
boots. She was a put together woman and
MAXWELL would show
MAXWELL askes
it.
thinks that
was impressed by her.
where she would stay. The subject of massage comes up and
if she ever had one. She responds no and MAXWELL says oh you'll love
does not remember specifically why
thought other girls would be there but
remember her saying it reassured her mother that other girls would be there.
MAXWELL was charming and well put together and
was impressed with her charisma.
was set up for a fun girl trip and set up in a nice room.
was
uncomfortable that other girls were not there but MAXWELL was nice to her.
tells
about the massage and the massage room. MAXWELL took
into the room. She gives instructions on how massages work.
lies face down
and takes her top off and is covered with a sheet. She receives that massage and during the course of
the massage she realizes that EPSTEIN is in the room. She is shocked that all of a sudden EPSTEIN is
there because it's a big house and she didn't see much.
is confused on which one was being
inappropriate.
believes that they were both in the room. She was on the table being very
uncomfortable but didn't say anything to them.
was asked to roll over to her back and
her breasts were fondled.
does not remember who was doing the massage originally but MAXWELL outlines how the
massage would work.
can't remember if she originally started that massage or someone else
did.
believes she left at this point.
has a more concrete memory when
went back to the bedroom. She was creeped out and totally freaked out and went to the
bedroom. EPSTEIN followed her into the room and got into bed with her and cuddled up to her.
said something at this point and got out of the bed and went to the bathroom. She said she had to go to
the bathroom.
The clearest detail that
remembers is EPSTEIN crawling into bed with
. The
massage details he remembers but can't remember some details.
remembers EPSTEIN being
there and jumping in for the massage. He knows
talked to him about it back then but
doesn't recall who actually started the massage.
During senior year of high school
remembers hearing
college when they dated again between 2001-2002
talks about it. The conversation was
always related to physical intimacy.
was living in Iowa City in 2002 and he remembers an
emotional outburst that she had. They hadn't revisited it in quite a while.
burst into
tears. She says "remember that stuff I told you about".
remembers being caught off guard
and not thinking it was related to the EPSTEIN incident.
says that stuff still sticks with
her and that when getting physical these feelings come out and she can't explain it. They had not
revisited that details since just the impact that it had.
tell him this. After
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tells
about a trip to New York to visit
He believes this is the
first time that
meets EPSTEIN. They went to see some kind of Broadway show. During
the show EPSTEIN sat in-between them.
realizes that EPSTEIN is touching her leg at
some point. He was grazing her leg put his whole hand on her leg.
saw
on the other side and felt uncomfortable.
told
about this incident when they
were in high school around the same time she told him about New Mexico.
Since this all has come out on the news
and
have talked about it but they
haven't talked about details. They talked just the general experience with it. When ESPTEIN was
arrested it was a topic of conversation but they haven't talked about details.
told
they she talked to lots of people about it like law enforcement and
journalists.
was called by a New York Times reporter and asked general details about what
he remembered. They talk about how details have gotten fuzzy just in general, not about details. More
of the conversations would be about
and how she is doing.
is not a huge news follower but is kept abreast.
did not read the deposition that
gave and did not read details about her.
read in the news that
was taken to New Mexico and tied into the sex trafficking charge because of interstate nexus.
gave no other interviews with press, law enforcement or private investigators.
was such an innocent person. They would have conversations about her being
uncomfortable and just not knowing how to say anything.
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