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Federal Grand Jury 07-103
Federal Building
U.S. Courthouse
West Palm Beach, Florida
Tuesday, March 20, 2007
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Exhibit 20
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'estimony of SPECIAL AGENT E.
as taken before the Federal
Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, Federal
Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach County,
State of Florida, on Tuesday, March 20, 2007.
Certified Court
Reporter and Notary Public, State of Florida,
Official Reporting Service, LLC, 524 South Andrews
Avenue, Suite 302N, Fort Lauderdale, Florida,
33301 , was authorized to and did report the sworn
testimony.
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(Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.)
THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear
that the testimony you give will be the
truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
truth, so help you God?
THE WITNESS:
I do.
THE FOREPERSON:
seated.
Thank you. Please be
EXAMINATION
, could you
please state and spell your name for the record?
Q
Now Special Agent
1, last week
or the last time that we met, we discussed two
girls, correct?
A
Yes.
Q
Who visited Mr. Epstein's home?
A
Yes.
Q
And those were
and
A
Yes.
Q
Did you obtain photographs of those
girls?
Yes, I did.
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And do you know approximately when those
photographs were taken?
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They were taken during the same time
period that we are investigating, '04 and '05.
There may have been a few in '03, but it was
within a year's time of six months within the
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activity that we are investigating.
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Q
All right. Let me show you what has
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been marked as Grand Jury Exhibits 1 and 2, and
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can you tell us what Exhibit 1 is?
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Exhibit 1 is
and it's a
12 photograph of her with her date of birth listed.
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And what is Exhibit 2?
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A photograph of
with her date
15 of birth as well on it.
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MS.
And I will just pass
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those to the grand jury.
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Now the last time that we were here, you
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had described how
had brought Saige G.
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to Mr. Epstein's home?
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Yes.
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Did
bring other girls to the
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Epstein house?
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Yes, she did.
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Q
And is one of those girls
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Yes.
Q
And what is the date of birth of
Vanessa Z.?
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She was born June 6, 1987.
Q
And where did
go to high
school?
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Royal Palm Beach High School.
Q
And is that the same school that
went to?
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Yes.
Q
And was
ever a student at that
school?
Yes, she was.
Q
Tell us a little bit about
well,
first of all, did the Palm Beach Police Department
have a chance to interview
A
Yes, they did.
Q
And what about yourself?
A
And I did as well.
Q
Okay. Tell us, if you will, how
started going to Mr. Epstein's house?
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was the one who brought
to
Mr. Epstein's house.
told
that she
may have to remove her clothing and that she could
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makes $200 if she performed a massage for Mr.
Epstein.
She also was told by
that he may
try to touch you, but if you are uncomfortable,
just tell him no, and she also said that if
Epstein asked her age, she was to say she was 18.
Q
Now that information that you just
relayed, who provided that information?
A
Q
And what did
A
I'm sorry.
provided in the
interview to me that information.
also admit that she brought
o Mr. Epstein's home?
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Yes.
Q
When did this first occur?
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This occurred in -- we believe the first
time period was when
was 16.
Q
And is there any telephone records that
show communications between
nd
Haley R. and
and
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Yes.
Q
And when are those phone records?
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Those phone records show up in March of
'04 when
would be 16.
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Let me show what has been marked as
Grand Jury Exhibit Number 3, and what is Exhibit
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3?
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This is a photograph of
with
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her date of birth, 6-6-1987.
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Now you mentioned that in March of 2004
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and April of 2004, there are these records of
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phone calls and did111111111 say how old she was
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when she first went to Mr. Epstein's house?
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I'm sorry. Did
say how old she
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was?
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Did she tell you or the police officers
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Yes.
I'm sorry.
I thought your
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She told me that she was 16 when she
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went to Mr. Epstein's house.
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Okay. That is consistent with those
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phones calls?
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Yes, it is.
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Okay.
Now during her first visit with
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Mr. Epstein, what happened?
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She went to Mr. Epstein's house. Haley
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took her there.
told her she didn't have
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her she got her driver's license when she was 17.
So
drove her to Mr. Epstein's
house. She provided Mr. Epstein with a few
massages. She remained clothed both times that
she gave him a massage. At this time, she kept
her clothes on.
I think one time she was wearing shorts
and a T-shirt, maybe the second time she was
wearing jeans and a T-shirt. That he constantly
grabbed and pulled at her during the massage
trying to draw her closer to him, but at that
time, you know, there was no sexual activity other
than the grabbing and pulling.
There was no sexual activity that took
place on those first couple of massages, and she
remained clothed at that time.
Q
Now after those first few massages, was
there a break in time before Vanessa returns to
the Epstein house?
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told us that she and
had
had some kind of a fight or a disagreement, a
breakup in their relationship, so there was a time
period where she did not go back to Mr. Epstein's
house.
Q
And when -- did there then come a time
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when she
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returned to the Epstein house?
Yes.
We have phone activity between
beginning in December
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of '04.
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And how old was
in December
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of '04?
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She had turned 17 at that time.
In
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fact, through the course of the phone records
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beginning in December of '04 to October of 2005,
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we have over 150 phone calls between
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and
Kellen, Mr. Epstein's assistant.
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Q
What did IIIIIIIIIIII tell you about the
13 activity that occurred when she started returning
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in late '04?
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When she started giving Mr. Epstein
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massages after that break, the massages became
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much more sexual in nature.
Mr. Epstein continued
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to push and there were many times when Vanessa Z.
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would perform massages completely nude.
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Several times, she would stay in her
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underwear with no bra on, but stated to me that
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many occasions she performed the massages to Mr.
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In addition to being unclothed, was
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Yes, there was.
interview with
she
discussing the sexual activity
that time.
She stated that
digitally penetrated her.
uring my
upset when
place at
had
by
became very
that took
Mr. Epstein
It began first
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rubbing her on the outside pf her vagina and then
8 on more than one occasion actually penetrating her
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with his fingers.
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He would request her to pinch his
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nipples. He rubbed her breasts as well. She
12 stated that there was a vibrator that was used on
13 her vagina as well, did not penetrate her, but
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that she described the vibrator as being a white
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vibrator with a gray head, and several of the
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other victims have said the same thing, described
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it similar to that.
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And just before I forget, when you
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testified about
, did
also report
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having a vibrator used on her?
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Yes.
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Q
And, again, so the record is clear, when
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you are talking about these vibrators, they are
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the large back massager type vibrator?
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We have had some girls just describe
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them as a vibrator.
We have had some girls just
describe them as a back massager and then we also
had girls describe them as both, because of the
size of it, I think some girls are more aware of
what a vibrator would look like due to their ages.
You know, I don't know that everybody
knew exactly what a sexual vibrator looked like,
but they all vibrated, and we have actually had
that described, an-described
it as both,
a vibrator slash massager, saying that it was, you
know, large in nature.
Q
Okay.
Now in addition to using that
massager and digitally penetrating Vanessa, was
there other sexual activity?
A
Yes. Several times during the massages,
Mr. Epstein would have
straddle him while
he laid on his stomach and then he would reach
between her legs and masturbate and
occasionally --
Q
And this is when he was laying on his
back not his stomach?
A
I'm sorry. Did I say that?
Q
You said on his stomach.
A
He is laying on his back. She's on top
of him straddled, and he is reaching between her
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masturbating, and he has attempted to put his
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penis on her vagina, never penetrating her, but
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that was what was described to us by
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Now when was
first interviewed
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by the Palm Beach Police?
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She was interviewed October 6th of 2005.
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And at that time, did she say when her
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last visit was to Mr. Epstein's house?
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Yes, she said October 1st, 2005, was the
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last massage that she had given Mr. Epstein.
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Q
Is there any other evidence that was
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recovered from Mr. Epstein's or his household
13 items that would confirm that statement?
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We have a message pad. During the
15 search warrant, several of the message pads --
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don't know if we referred to them at this stage.
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We may not have.
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We recovered -- well, I shouldn't say
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we, the Palm Beach Police Department recovered
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several message pads. They were carbon copy
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message pads.
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So we have several of those books from
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their search warrant and in there, there is a
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message on October 1st confirming
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And is there also evidence that
actually spoke on October 1st
before that message?
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We have cell phone calls between
as well as the message which
was from
to Jeffrey regarding -- confirming
the appointment for
but we have a cell
phone call I believe it was a little bit earlier
from
or maybe it was
to
, but it is definitely between the two of
them on that same day.
Q
All right. When
was interviewed
by the Palm Beach Police Department, did she
describe all of the sexual activity?
A
No, she did not. She did not tell them
about the vibrator or the -- she didn't tell them
about the vibrator or the penetration.
Q
And, again, you said that when you
brought up -- did you sort of confront her with
the idea that more had occurred?
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I did, and she was very embarrassed
about the vibrator.
I asked her at one point if
Mr. Epstein had given her any gifts and she got
very red in the face and began to tear up and you
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could see that she was very embarrassed.
So we took a little bit of a break, but
then she was able to say that Mr. Epstein had
provided her as a birthday present a vibrator. So
not only was there a vibrator back massager used
on her, but at this time -- and I think that's
kind of what got
talking about the sexual
activity that she was able to tell me that, and
she was very, very embarrassed, but that Mr.
Epstein had given her for her eighteenth birthday
a vibrator.
Q
Now you mentioned that that happened on
her eighteenth birthday?
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Yes.
Q
And was she able to tell you whether Mr.
Epstein knew it was her eighteenth birthday?
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She stated that Mr. Epstein provided to
her on her eighteenth birthday the vibrator and
shortly -- well --
Q
So before you had said that
had
instructed
to tell everyone that she was
18; do you remember that?
A
Yes.
Q
But at some point, the people in the
Epstein household learned that she hadn't turned
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Her birthday was coming up.
Q
And at some point, was a car provided
for
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Yes.
In October of '05,
was
having
asked Mr. Epstein is she could
borrow one of his cars to go to Orlando and he
stated that -- at first he said yes, and then he
said he would get her a rental car.
contacted
L a few days
later and said that a car had been rented for
and that the house manager used the
company credit card and
picked up that
car, and actually when the police interviewed her
on October 6th, which was five or six days after
the last massage, they were able to see that that
Nissan Sentra that had been rented by Mr. Epstein,
Vanessa had that in her possession for at least
through January 1st of 2006 and that car was
rented by Mr. Epstein for at least that amount of
time.
Q
Did
describe how the massage
appointments would be made?
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Yes, she did.
Q
And how was that?
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She stated that
OM Jeffrey's assistant,
that
her and set
would call
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up appointments, and that sometimes she would call
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her on her cell phone from New York, from the
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Islands, and say that they were coming into town,
6 was she available.
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She would also call
while they
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were in town to see if she was available for
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massages, to give massages to Mr. Epstein, and
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stated that I'll.' who we have identified as
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called her a few times as well to set
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And when those appointments were made
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reach
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By phone.
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All right. And whether she was in town
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or out of town, she would call
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Yes.
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All right.
Now was there any -- during
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the interview with the police department, did the
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about what she
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I would have to check the police reports
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to give specifics on that.
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All right.
A
My answer to your question is yes.
Q
Okay. And what did she say were some of
/the topics of discussion?
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Mr. Epstein asked her questions about
herself, asked her if she was a soccer player or
that
Jeffrey knew that she was a soccer player
;and asked questions about her college, about where
t
she was going to school.
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IIIIIIIIIIIs
currently going to Lynn
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So that was a -- but that was her future
)plan?
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Yes.
Q
So in other words, did Mr. Epstein know
that she was in high school at the time?
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Yes, he did.
And the Palm Beach Police
asked
if Jeffrey knew her age and
told the Palm Beach Police Department, he didn't
care what my age was.
Q
Now did
describe either to you
or to the police department how she would be paid
for these massages?
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She stated she was paid $200 and that
she received anywhere from two to $300.
Q
With every visit?
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With each visit.
Q
Okay. Did she say who would provide her
with that money?
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She said that Jeffrey paid her at the
end of the massage.
Q
All right. You mentioned the gift of
the vibrator.
Were there other gifts that were
given to
A
Yes. The time period is unclear, but
the vibrator was given to her for her eighteenth
birthday. There were three sets of bra and
underwear, panties, Victoria Secret bra and
underwear sets that were also given to
as
gifts from Mr. Epstein.
Q
Now I know that we talked earlier about
the fact that
is the person who brought
to Mr. Epstein's house. Did
ever
bring anyone to Mr. Epstein's house?
IMM
IIIM
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brought a female by the name of
and that was a friend of
Q
And let me show you what has been marked
as Grand Jury Exhibit 4, and what is Grand Jury
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Exhibit 4?
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It's a photograph of
with a
date of birth of 6-1-1986.
Q
How old was 111111111 when
Eni
took
her to Mr. Epstein's house?
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took her there in the spring of
2005 and
was 18 at that time.
Q
Now can you tell us now
went
about bringing
to the house?
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old
hat she could make
some money giving a massage to Mr. Epstein and
ent to Mr. Epstein's house
together.
The first time that
ent there,
she did not go upstairs and gives
massage.
IIIIIII
was working that day. But in talking to
further,
stated that she probably
over the period of time between the spring of '05
and October of '05, performed around five to ten
massages for Mr. Epstein.
The first few of those he did not do
anything as far as no masturbating, no sexual
activity. She would just perform a massage.
Q
And did that change over time?
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Yes, it did. She stated that she
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performed two to three massages out of those five
or ten and in her underwear and bra only, and
that he would push her each time.
He would just push her to do more and on
the third -- I believe she stated the third or
fourth massage, he told her that she could make
more money if she removed her clothing, because
she stayed clothed during the first few massages,
and she was paid $200 for each of those massages.
On the third or fourth massage, Mr.
Epstein said that she could make more money if she
removed her clothing. So around the fourth or
fifth time, she did start taking off her clothing
down to her underwear and bra only.
Q
And then what happened when she was at
that point of being unclothed?
A
She would perform the massage. He
attempted to touch her, but she always would say
no.
At one point, her bra does get undone by Mr.
Epstein, but she does keep it up.
Q
Now that was the extent of his touching
. At some point, did he begin masturbating
in front of her?
A
Yes, he did.
Not in the very beginning,
but throughout this he did.
Now I should tell you
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that
stated to us that because she was kind
of reserved or held back as he made advances
towards her, she was able to see Mr. Epstein's
penis and that he was masturbating, but that he
never finished, that he never ejaculated. She did
not feel that yr. Epstein liked her very much.
Q
But just to sort of compare what
said with what Vanessa said, they both said that
at the beginning they remained clothed?
A
Yes.
Q
And that Mr. Epstein progressively
pushed and pushed and pushed for more sexual
activity?
A
Yes.
•
Now what was the period of time that
when
went to Mr. Epstein's home?
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March of
I'm sorry, spring of '05 is
said that she went there and around,
you know, the investigation is heating up with
Palm Beach, so we know that in September of '05,
there was a trash pull done, and in that trash
pull there was a message and that was found and it
stated -- it had
phone number on it and
it stated, for a good time call
and
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And whose stationery was that?
A
It was on. Jeffrey Epstein's stationery.
Q
And had Jeffrey Epstein been in a Palm
Beach resident close to those dates?
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Q
between
Yes.
Now is there evidence of telephone calls
and
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Yes.
Q
And how many phone calls have you been
able to identify?
A
At this time, there have been 14 phone
calls.
Q
All right.
And just to compare that to
the number of phone calls with
With__'
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there was over 150 phone
calls between
and
Q
And that is sort of consistent with the
number of massages that
did versus the
number of massages that Vanessa did?
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It is consistent with especially the
activity that Vanessa was providing Mr. Epstein
compared to the activity that
would
provide.
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me just step out for
MS.
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exits the Grand Jury
Room.)
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Room.)
MS.
Ladies and gentlemen, I
am going to have to take a break now and we
will be back either next week or the
following week. Thank you very much. You
are done for the day.
(Witness was excused.)
I, Paula E. Angelocci, Certified Court
Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the
transcript is a true and correct transcription of
my stenotype notes of the testimony of
taken before
the Federal Grand Jur
West Palm Beach
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