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Page 1 STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO.: 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, -vs- JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. VOLUME I OF II Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 VIDEOTAPED COMPULSORY MEDICAL EVALUATION OF E.W. Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:02 - 6:30 p.m. 250 Australian Avenue Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Jeana Ricciuti, RPR, FPR, CLR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Services PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Eiectronically signed by Jeans Fascist' (601 31,7135dc-3693-4b9f-b60e-98638afea746 EFTA00723630 EFTA00723631 Page 2 Page 4 1 APPEARANCES: 2 On behalf of the Plaintiff: 3 BRADLEY1 EDWARDS, ESQUIRE 1109 Northeast Second Street 4 Phone: Hall 33009 5 6 7 On behalf of the Defendant 8 ASHLIE STOKEN-BARING, PARALEGAL BURMAN, CRITTON, LUTHER & COLEMAN, LLP 9 303 Banyan Boulevard Suite 400 10 West P 'de 33401 Phone: 11 12 13 ALSO PRESENT: 14 Dr. Ryan Hall, M.D. 15 16 Jeffrey Abbot, Videographer Visual Evidence, Incorporated 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Okay. Q. Again, my assistant is sitting in the room. If you wouldn't mind, just — MS. YOUNG: Hi. Matisse Marissa? Hi. I'm BY DR. HALL: Q. I believe that was an arrangement worked out between the lawyers that there be one person present. A. Okay. Q. As you can tell from the camera, we're going to be videotaped. I don't know what the agreement is in terms of who owns the tape, if that's going to be your attorney, shared attorneys. Iles not my — A. Okay, that's fine. Q. This will be probably six to eight hours, dependent. But if at any time you need to take a break, you would like to get something to eat or water, anything like that, just let me know. A. Okay. Q. I'll be keeping track of the time and things along those lines. 1 don't know what's going to be done for lunch. The last time, f didn't know it was going to be in a different office, so Pm assuming whatever the lunch break is, theyll wrangle up a sandwich or something for us. Page 3 1 EXAMINATION 2 3 BY DR. HALL: 4 Q. If you want to, write the name of your counsel t, in. o A. As in Brad? Q. As in Brad, yeah. Then, also, we're going to be doing some 9 testing later on. This is again, I think this was in 10 the original packet we sent you. I'm not sure if you 11 received that or not, the patient history questionnaire. 12 A. No. 13 Q. You did not get that? 14 A. No. 15 Q. We'll be filling that out later in the day 16 then. 17 A. Okay. 18 Q. If I can have you read this and sign this as 19 well saying that you realize we're going to be testing. 20 A. Okay. So I just — is this filled out by 21 someone other than — 22 Q. Right. Ifs going to be filled out by you 23 so - 24 A. So just put my name or leave it blank? 25 Q. Just leave it blank. Page 5 1 With that, do you have any questions before we 2 begin? 3 A. No. 4 Q. No? Okay. 5 Usually, how I do this is I Me to get a lot 6 of background information, so I may be asking you a lot 7 of questions that don't directly pertain to the lawsuit 8 up front. 9 A. Okay. 10 Q. And then well talk about what happened and 11 what the events were and things of that nature, all 12 right? 13 A. Okay. 14 Q. So with that, where were you born? 15 A. I was born in- 16 Q. Okay. And I apologize, I'm a little slow with 17 writing. 18 A. No, that's no problem. 19 Q. Is that Where 15 20 at? 21 A. No, it's on the 22 Q. Okay. And was there any problems or 23 complicationswith your birth? 24 A. No, not to my knowledge, but Pin pretty sure, 25 no. 2 (Pages 2 to 5) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans RIccluti Ell1786dc-3693-4b9f-b50.48838aRia748 EFTA00723632 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 6 1 Q. So nobody ever told you you were in the NICU, 2 PICU, had to spend longer, came early, came late, cord 3 around your neck, problem with your pregnancy, nothing 4 along those lines? 5 A. Nothing on those terms. 6 Q. Okay. And did you meet your normal 7 developmental milestones, walking, talking on time? 8 A. Yes. Q. Any significant childhood illnesses? A. I'm sorry? Q. Any significant childhood illnesses? A. No. Q. I mean, other than mumps is a little rarer nowadays, but I mean, chicken pox or anything like that, nothing out of the ordinary? A. No. Q. aa.nd your date of birth? A. Q. And can you tell me a little bit about your parents? A. My mother's name is The lives= in Q. Okay. A. My father's name is Q. 'Thank you. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21. 22 23 24 25 Page 8 health history or problems or -- A. Right. Q. Okay. Roughly, how old is mom and dad? A. I can't — my mom is — honestly, she's lied about her age for so long time. I believe she is probably like 45 or 46. Maybe older, I'm not really positive. And my father is probably around SO years old, give or take. Q. I'll put 45-ish. A. Okay. Q. Any brothers or sisters? A. I have one brother. Well, actually two brothers. One's my half brother, one's my biological brother. And my biological brother i.. Q. Okay. A. And my st ir s io ther is Q. I'm sony; A. Q And how old is A. My brother is and my younger brother, I don't really have that much of a relationship with him. I believe he's Q. Okay. And is =married, single, divorced? A. He's single. Page 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 23. 22 23 24 Q. I'll put that down with a question mark 25 Okay. And as far as you know, no mental Okay, and whore is he at? A. To be honest, I don't have a relationship with hint Q. Okay. And that's fine. If I ask you something you don't know, feel free to tell me. A. Right. Q. And sometimes it's okay to ballpark if you can't tell me anything more specific when we're talking about when you were five or six. A. Right Q. It's hard to remember exact dates and things Tike that. What's mom do for a living? A. Shen Q. Okay. Does she have any medical problems? A. No, not to my knowledge. Q. Okay. Any psychiatric problems? A. Not to my knowledge. Q. Okay. !know you said you don't have a relationship with dad, but do you know anything about his medical history or — A. No, I don't, but I do believe that right now he's 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 9 Q Ancl Married, single or divorced? A. Single, I'm sure. Q Okay. And you said is the one you didn't have much of a relationship with — A. Right No, my brother= I have a relationship with him. Q. Okay. Where doesMive? A. He lives in Q. Okay. And —s in Florida, out of Florida? A. He's inM Q. Okay. Any nieces or nephews? A. No. Q. No? Okay. Do you have any children on your own? A. No. Q. MAW, evil and nasty question to ask. My math is not always the best. Born in■ that would make you how old? Q. what ethnicity or nationality do you consider yourself? A. I' 3 (Pages 6 to 9) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans RIccluti (801e) 3,6766dc-36934b9t-b50e-9861Elat0a746 EFTA00723633 Page 3.0 Page 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1/. 12 13 14 3.5 16 17 18 19 20 23. 22 23 24 25 A. I'm not really sure what lcind of but my grandfather ha. in him on my mother's side. Q. Okay. How is your relationship with your mother? A. Very good. Q. Has it always been that way or has it sometbnes been better than others? A. It's definitely been better than others. Q. But currently good? A. Correct Q. Okay. A. Even through our ups and downs, we've always maintained a pretty good relationship. I've always confided in het Q. Okay. And your father, you said you don't have any relationship with him now -- A. Right. Q. -- but you did know him? A. No, not really. When I was younger, I would go to his house for summer, and the school year I would be with my mother, but other than that, I — I don't have any relationship with him. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 or — A. Yes. Q. How long have they been together? A. Probably since I've been six or seven years old. . . And how is your relationship with Am I pronouncing that right? A. Yes Very good. Q. What's he do for a living? A. He — actually, he has two jobs. Well, actually, I think right now he might have three. He ono many ents. A. Yes. Q. Now, the half brother you have, is that through your father or through your mother? A. Yes, through my father. Q. Okay. And did you ever have a stepmother or anything of that nature? A. Not for very long. Just maybe bssummers when I went over there. Her name i I'm not sure of her last name now. Q. Fair. Fair enough. A. Uh-huh. Q. Okay. Any stepbrothers or sisters? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 1/. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 11 Q. How old were you when your -- actually, were your parents ever married? A. Yes. Q. Okay. How old were you when they divorced or separated? A. I'd say probably two to three. I don't even remember any of that, though, so it's hard to really say. Q. Okay. So your earliest memories was just with mom; dad was already out of the picture? A. Pretty much, yes. Q. And, you know, if I say something or paraphrase and it's not right, please correct me. A. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I do have some memories with my father when I was younger but I mean, not very many; do you know what I mean? Q. Okay. A. So... Q. Were there ever any stepfathers or — A. Yes. Q. — live-in boyfriends? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And is your mother still with him, Page 13 1 A. Yeah.ad two kids 2 3 Q. Any relationship with them? 4 A. I have — I sometimes, over the computer, have 5 talked to — maybe two years ago, I went and seen 6 and her family. I talk to them on the computer every 7 now and then. 8 Q. Okay. So — 9 A. And they're located i 10 I don't know where he's located at, y, 11 but I knoa and her family are in MI 12 where I was 13 Q. Okay. Again, I don't want to put words in 14 your mouth: Cordial relationship, amicable, just kind 15 of there? 16 A. Yeah, just on and off, acquaintance, good 17 acquaintance, I guess. 18 Q. Does Mr. -- I apologize -- 19 A. 20 Q. you. _yeah, does he have any 21 children? 22 A. No, no. 23 Q. Okay. Kind of the extended family, has them 24 been any issues with mental illness, depression, 25 schizophrenia, bipolar or anxiety? a.4.1.1..e..il.....rat....00.0.4.0006 ,74.4......1. 4 (Pages 10 to 13) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Eiceluti(6011=1) 3t8786de-3693.4b91-b50e-98638a10a746 EFTA00723634 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 14 1 A. With? 2 Q. Aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins. 3 A. 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. A. Q. A. Q. A Pm sorry, your grandffither? Yes, my mother's dad. Which 1 think it was Do you know what he's t m bee i with? N0,1 do not know, but other than that, I know that my grandmother, my mom's mom, and she's going to be 80, she's a go -- she's a, you know, she's a go-getter, she doesn't seem ill at all. She doesn't even seem 80; she seems probably 60. My father's dad, and his name isas well, my grandfather, he seems okay. I do talk to some of my dad's — like my aunts and cousins end stuff like that on my dad's side. And Pm sorry, you did ask me if I had cousins and stuff like that, didn't you? Q. !rimy of them had mental illness. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 15 1 A. Oh, okay. No, not to my knowledge. 2 Q. No, I mean, there could be hundreds. 3 A. Right. Yeah, I do, I have a whole bunch of 4 them. 5 Q. We would take up eight hours just talking about each and every one of them. A. Exactly. Q. Are there any that are significant in your life that you see on a monthly basis or is it kind of family get-togethers you see them? A. Well, they're in and my -- most of my dad's family. The rest them are in -nd then me and my mom and my brother and my stepfather,■ we live here, but - and my Q. Okay. Now, a lot of times terms get used, and what they mean by kind of general population and what they mean medically are a little different, so when you 111 r A. But they haven't -- I honestly don't believe 1 2 3 4 Q. And I may ask you a little more later about 5 yourself. 6 A. Okay. 7 Q. But how about your family? 8 A. My mother, she is a recovering addict for 9 going on three years now. 10 Q. Okay. Good for her. 11 A. As well as my stepfather,IM 12 Q. What did mom use? 13 A. She was addicted to crack cocaine, both her 14 and my stepfather. 15 Q. Okay. And do you know roughly how long she 16 used for? 17 A. Over 20 years. 18 Q. Okay. And this is -- you'retow, so she 19 started after you were born? 20 A. Honestly, I don't know. I don't know If she 21 was you know, was using and got pregnant with me and 22 stopped. I don't really know the whole scenario, but.. 23 Q. Do you know one way or the other if you may 24 have been exposed in the utero to cocaine? 25 A. I'm sorry? Page 16 that they've really diagnosed him with that, but I don't see why they haven't. Q. Okay. I think that's one of those things that's okay to give a ballpark on. A. Right. Q. Okay. Any problems with substance use in the family? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Who's had issues with substances? 5 (Pages 14 to 17) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans RIcelutl (801 818786dc-3693-4b91-b800.98831300e748 EFTA00723635 Page 18 Page 20 1 2 3 4 5 6 Q. Did she use while she was pregnant? A. She -- she's told me no, because I had asked her. Q. Okay. All right. And was it just cocaine, or did she use anything else like alcohol or marijuana 7 A. No, I believe just crack cocaine. 8 Q. How did she get clean? 9 A. She had a well, she lost everything she had 10 multiple times and she just hit rock bottom. I guess 11 she just was ready to change, ! suppose. Ever since, 12 she's held strong and hasn't gone back to that 13 lifestyle. 14 Brief interruption in proceedings.) 15 BY DR. HALL: 16 Q. I just had to stop there fora second due to 17 mechanical problems with the camera. 18 So we were talking about mom and how she had a 19 little bit of a substance problem. 20 A. Right. 21 Q. How did that affect your relationship with 22 her? 23 A. Well, not only did it affect our relationship 24 but it affected my whole lifestyle for when I was 25 younger. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 situation was and took me in for quite a while. Q. Okay. Can I et the name of that person — A. Y ..kay. And how long did you stay with the A. For a while. Probably — probably three years off and on, give or take. Q. Okay. Was DCF ever involved when you were growing up? A. No. Weird enough, no. Q. And how did your brother do with all of this? Was he also kind of — A. Actually, my brother, before my mother really got heavy into her addiction, I believe she was -- she would always kind of maintain her house, like a functioning addict. And so during that time, my brother was there, but my brother kind of was going down the wrong road. My mom seen that and he actually was sent over to the West Coast with my wild side of the family, my father's side, and he lived with my grandparents for pretty much the whole time that my mom really was out and about doing her own thing, so... Q. Okay. Was there ever episodes of violence between you and your mom related to her drug use? Page 19 1 Q. Okay. In what way? 1 2 A. Homeless, and every way around. I mean, I 2 3 guess that's generally everything. You know, my 3 4 schooling. 4 5 Q. Okay. How long were you homeless for? 5 6 A. I mean, they always had, as in homeless, they 6 7 always had a place — they were always — had a place to 7 9 stay. They lived in efficiencies, hotels. They would 8 9 kind of jump from hotel to hotel or whatever, and I 9 10 could always go stay with them, but I never wanted to go 10 11 stay with them because of them using, obviously. So I 11 12 don't think nobody wants to see that. 12 13 Q. Right. 13 14 A. So between the age of, I would say, 13, 14, 14 15 around about — 15 16 Q. Okay. 16 11 A. -- until she got clean three years ago, I was 17 18 kind of — I was I mean, after I turned.I — 18 19 well, before I was even= I made my own way, started 19 20 so I could, you know, make money to provide for my own 20 21 self. But before that, you know, I was — stay at a 21 22 friends house, jump from friend's to friend's house. 22 23 And a lot of the parents knew. You know, it wasn't a 23 24 secret that — what my situation was, so, you know, one 24 25 friend in particular, her father really knew what the 25 Q. And roughly, what time was t. A. I believe I was 16. Q. Okay. Do you remember the month or year or how do you kind of keep that straight in your head time wise? Any — A. I don't really remember the month or year. I would maybe say — ! honestly — ! couldn't even tell you. I couldn't even tell you. Q. Okay. Q. Okay. Yeah, I can check if I need to. I was just -- sometimes people have certain events in their lives that they remember things about — A. Right. Q. -- you know, their 16th birthday — A. Definitely. Definitely. 6 (Pages 18 to 21) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricclutl 3f8785dc-3693-4b91-b60e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723636 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 22 1 Q. — fast car, somebody they were dating — 2 A. Right. 3 Q. — and they can kind of put things together 4 that way. 5 A. Put it together. 6 Q. So I was wondering if you had any time stamps 7 in your life for what you used to — 8 A. Honestly, I — now that I think about it, I think I was a little younger than age 16 when that all occurred. Q. NI put a question mark next to it. A. Right, but no. 1 mean, I know I was — I was probably — I think I was probably starting to be a Freshman Q. Okay. A. I was supposed to be going to school. I think it was in the summer time, but I could be wrong. Q. Fair enough. And that would have been about seven years ago now or eight years ago? A. Well, 1' So, yeah, about seven or eight years ago. Q. How did you get along with your stepfather? I apologize if I've already asked that. You said Page 24 1 Q. Did they ever shoot it or snort it? 2 A. I have no idea. 3 Q. You never witnessed them doing it in front of 4 you? 5 A. Right. 6 Q. Okay. I trained up in the Baltimore area. and 7 I saw a lot of very heavy cocaine use. 8 A. Oh, okay. 9 Q. Fonts up there usually would either go by 10 munber of rocks they were using or dollar amount. 11 A. Oh. 12 Q. Just like kind of an idea down in 13 S how much would a rock of cocaine go for' 14 A. I'm — I don't really know. I would guess 20 15 bucks, 25 bucks, !think. 16 Q. Okay. Would that be a big rock you could 17 break up into multiples, or... 18 A. I have no idea. 19 Q. No idea? 20 A. I have no idea. 21 Q. Okay. We used to talk about $5 and $10 hits 22 all the time in Baltimore. 23 A. Okay. 24 Q. 'Just want to make sure my -- 25 A Right. I mean, they could have that down Page 23 1 generally a good relationship? 2 A. Yeah, generally good. 3 Q. Okay. Ever get into fights with him or have 4 any trouble — S A. I mean, arguments over obviously the crazy lifestyle they were living and everything else. So 7 arguments, but there was always unconditional love. I 8 could always — if there was anything ever wrong, you 9 know, sometimes they would be kind of missing in action. 10 but for the most pan, I did 'mow where they were. If 11 they were in hotel rooms, we did keep contact. If there 12 was anything ever wrong — they were using, it sounds 13 crazy, but they did give me unconditional love, like, 14 you know... 15 Q. Okay. All right. It's good to know that you 16 felt that they were at least there. 17 A. Definitely. They might not have been there, 18 you know, drug-wise. I know that they were using and 19. everything else, but my mother -- 20 Q. Do you know roughly how much they were using a 21 day? 22 A. No, I have no idea. 23 Q. Okay. And it was crack so they were smoking 24 it? 25 A. Yes. Pug( 1 here, too. Pm not really, really sure. 2 Q. They had the eight balls, which were the big 3 ones but again, you were supposed to break that up or do 4 whatever. 5 A. No. 6 Q. Okay. Any issues with alcohol or... 7 A. No. 8 Q. How did they get money to support their habit? 9 A. Like I said, my mom was always kind of like an 10 active addict, so she always carried a job, and for the 11 most pert my stepfather did, too. 12 Q. Okay. So there was no stealing or — 13 A. No. My mother was always a wait — 14 Q. -- trading sex for favors? 15 A. No. My mother was always a waitress at -- 16 like at the worked fora very long time. 17 various restaurants. She always stayed at 18 each restaurant for a year, you know. Always long term 19 for the most part 20 And my ste.pfa ever since I could 21 remember, he di til just recently when he 22 star But he's been in 23 the usiness for a really long time. 24 Q. Okay. I'm just going to... 25 And I know we talked about this a little bit, 7 (Pages 22 to 25) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Fticclutl (4101==) 3f6766dc-3693.4b9f-b50o-98638af0a746 EFTA00723637 Page 26 1 so pardon me if there is a little overlap, but in 2 general, how would you describe your childhood? 3 A. It could have been better, I suppose, 1 would 4 say. 5 Q. Okay. 6 A. And more -- more of my teenage years, I guess 7 I would say. As my childhood, I always remember happy 8 memories and stuff like that. Like, I don't remember 9 ever being sad or neglected or hungry or anything like 10 that. It was more when I turned, you know, 13, when I 11 got into my teenage years. 12 Q. Okay. So teenage years were definitely worse 13 for you than -- 14 A. Definitely. 15 Q. Okay. How were you disciplined as a child 16 growing up? 17 A. I mean, if I did something wrong, talked back, 18 1 got put in time-out. There was definitely sonic form 19 of discipline. She would never let me do whatever I 20 wanted to but, you }mow, when I turned 12 and or 13, she 21 was kind of wanting to do what she wanted to do, and she 22 did kind of get more lenient on me where I was able to 23 go out. Sometimes I would leave and not tell her where 24 I was going or, you know... 25 Q. Okay. So it was never like physical Page 28 1 were younger, I never remember us getting really 2 physical with one another. 3 Q. Okay. What type of activities or clubs did 4 you belong to? 5 A. Wheal was in middle school — I was always a 6 straight A student from elementary to middle before, and 7 then I dropped out. 1 was always honor roll, straight A 8 student, I was in a lot of activities, I was on the 9 track team, I was the first chair trumpet player. 10 Q. Okay. 11 A. I was the captain of the cheerleading squad, I 12 was a mediator. 13 Q. Hold on one second. So captain of the 14 cheerleading squad, first trumpet? 15 A. First chair trumpet player. 16 Q. And that was school band I guess, or marching 17 band? 18 A. Yes. It wt this was all 19 at. 20 Q. Okay. 21 A. Whe that one teacher got shot 22 at, ifs the same. t ow if you probably heard 23 of that, around two years ago. 24 Q. No. 1 didn't grow up in 25 A. Okay. 1 2 3 4 5 Page 27 punishment like spankings or anything like that; it was time-out and grounding? A. Right, no. My mother has never put her hand 6 Q. Okay. And any major physical confrontations 7 with your brother or -- 8 A. Oh, me and him? 9 Q. Yes. 10 A. Yes. When we were younger, before he got sent 11 over to the West Coast, we used to fight like cats and 12 dogs. 13 Q. And would that be kind of like — it's hard to 14 even say, because there's no such answer to normal 15 brother/sister at times, but normal brother and sister 16 type of things? 17 A. Right. You know, I would use the phone and he 18 wants to use the phone and I'm on it first and it 19 escalated. Just very simple stupid stuff we would argue 20 . about. . 21 Q. Okay. And would it get physical or just — 22 A. I mean, a couple of times we did honestly get 23 physical with one another but, you know, that was kind 24 of when I was 12, 13, before he was sent over to the 25 West Coast, when we were a little bit older. When we Page . • 1 Q. Who igilMME 2 A. Oh, it's a teacher that actually got shot and 3 killed there. A lot of people know that school, that's 4 the only reason I brought it up. 5 Q. Did you know him? 6 A. No, I didn't know the teacher. 7 Q. And you said a mediator? 8 A. Mediator. 9 Q. Okay. Fm not familiar with that program. 10 A. You can get it as an elective, and it's when 11 counselors, the counselors of the school pick a 12 selective two or three people or four people to have it 13 as an elective, and when me as a student knows that this 14 girl and this girl is having a problem, we would call 15 them out of their class and put them in the counselor's 16 office and kind of try to mediate their problem before a 17 fight occurred or anything like that. 18 Q. Okay. How many times did you, I guess, do 19 peer mediation? 20 A. Multiple — a lot. I don't... 21 Q. Ballpark it, 5, 10, 20? 22 A. I would say 5 to 10 times. 23 Q. Were you ever threatened becimse you did this 24 type of work or have any negative repercussions from it? 25 A. No. 8 (Pages 26 to 29) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciutl (601 ) 318785dc-3693.4b9f-b50e-98638at0a748 EFTA00723638 Page 30 1 When I was in middle school, I was generally 2 kind of like a popular kid, quote/unquote. I didn't 3 really have any problems with really anybody. 4 Q. I actually put the quote/unquote there. 5 Okay. And outside of school, what would you 6 lice to do? 7 A. !did all kinds of stuff when I was, you 8 know — most the time I was after after school, I 9 would be at school because I did do cheerleading and I 10 did play the trumpet and I would do track and I did, you 11 know, a lot of stuff So generally, in school, after 12 school, it kept me busy, you know, so... 13 Q. What did you rum when you ran track? 14 A. I'm sorry? 15 Q. What type of track did you do, was it 16 sprinting or long distance? 17 A. It was long, like the mile runs. 18 Q. Do you have a faith? 19 A. I'm sorry? 20 Q. Do you have a faith? Do you attend a church 21 or are you spiritual? 22 A. Oh, yes. I'm a 23 Q. Did you attend church as a child growing up? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Do you attend now? Page 32 1 Q. Did you ever witness any domestic violence in 2 either your family or your friends? 3 A. No. As in relationship, mother and Mier 4 fighting? 5 Q. Mother and father fighting. 6 A. Right, no. 7 Q. Okay. Anything else about your childhood, 8 through probably middle school and before, that I should 9 know or come to mind or I haven't directly asked about 10 that you think is important for me to understand? 11 A. That's pretty much it. I think we covered 12 most everything. 13 Q. Anybody important in your life that passed 14 away during that time? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Sometimes!- 17 A. Right. 18 Q. -- questions pop in mind. 19 A. No. 20 Q. And no tratmias during that period of time? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Or anything that you would consider - 23 A. Right, as trauma, no. 24 Q. Parting. that can be a very broad word. 25 Okay. I apologize, you were telling me a Page 31 1 A. Once in a while. My mom goes on Sundays and 2 Wednesdays each week, so sometimes I go with her. 3 Q. And again, ballpark, is that like once a week 4 type thing, once a month, four or five times a month? 5 A. I would say two to three times a month. 6 Q. Better than my friend who considers himself a 7 Christmas candle/Easter lily. He shows up on two -- 8 A. That's funny. 9 Q. Actually, I think ifs his pastor who 10 considers him that and he keeps reminding people to come 11 more often. 12 As a child growing up, were you ever 13 physically or sexually abused? 14 A. Yes, I was. 15 Q. Could you tell me about that? 16 A. Ifs —1- only one time I was sexually 17 abused, when I was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein. 18 Q. Okay. Before Jeffrey Epstein, were you ever 19 sexually or physically abused? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Okay, and we'll get more into Epstein later. 22 A. Okay. 23 Q. I'm not ignoring that. I'm trying to group 24 all of that at one time. 25 A. Right. Page 33 1 little bit about your educational history. Let me get a 2 little more in depth there. 3 A. Okay. 4 Q. Have you ever been in any special education 5 classes? 6 A. No. 7 Q. And you said you were a good student? 8 A. Yeah. I was definitely, like, the top of my 9 class from elementary to middle. I always had As and 10 Bs, sometimes a C 11 Q. Okay. But then primarily A, B? 12 A. Yeah. 13 Q. Okay. And then what happened when you went 14 from middle into high school? 15 A. Well, a lot happened. When I was in middle 16 school, you know, they put me in all honor classes, so 17 when I went to high school, I was in all honors classes 18 and it seemed to be just kind of too fast paced for me 19 and I kind of tried to talk to one of the teachers, my 20 language arts teacher about it, and she just kind of 21 said, you know, you can handle it, stick to it, but 22 really it was just too fast for me and it ldnd of made 23 me Si discouraged. 24 And around that period of time, you know, I 25 did not really have a stableylace, that I considered a 9 (Pages 30 to 33) PROSE COURT REPORTING Electronically signed by Jean. (fleeing (601.M.) AGENCY, INC. 3f676Selc-3693-4b91-b50,3-98638agia746 EFTA00723639 Page S. 1 stable place to live so I was kind of, you know, friend 2 to friend's house. And you know, around that time 3 period, I was introduced to Mr. Epstein and, you know, I 4 would go to his house and he would obviously pay me for 5 obvious things. I think we all know. 6 And once I started making money through him 7 and doing business with him, quctehniquote, I dropped 8 out of school and it was kind of my way of living for a 9 while. 10 Q. Okay. What would you have done if you hadn't 11 met him? 12 A. That's a good question. Honestly — 13 Q. It may not be one you can answer. 14 A Right, because I don't know. 15 Q. Would you have stayed in school or would you 16 have gone elsewhere or gone over to the West Coast like 17 your brother did? 18 A. Possibly. Possibly. I don't know. I 19 couldn't answer that 20 Q. Were you ever suspended or expelled from 21 school? 22 A. Na 23 Q. Did you ever get into fights with authority 24 figures, teachers or school officers, principals? 25 A. No. Page 36 1 and I got the GED test and I read it from front to back 2 twice, and they have a CD torn that it comes with as 3 well, so I'm pretty — generally, I'm pretty good. I'm 4 not sometimes I have problems with spelling but 5 reading overall, I'm pretty good. 6 Q. Okay. So you had some, but you think that may 7 have been school rust for a lack of a better word? 8 A. Right, exactly. 9 Q. Okay. You ever been diagnosed with dyslexia 10 or a learning disability or anything like that? 1/. A. Na 12 Q. Okay. When you we younger, any problems 13 with fire setting, cruelty to animals, bedwetting? 14 A. No. 15 Q. What type of jobs have you had? 16 A. I've waitressed, I've — when I was younger, I 17 bussed tables, waitressed, hostess, everything in the 18 restaurant business, bartender, I have danced. 19 Q. What do you mean by danced? 20 A. Exotic dancer. 21 Q. Okay. Where have you danced at? 22 A. It wasEMIIMI 23 Q. Spelling is not one of my strong suits either, 24 so how do you spell 25 A. I think ha honestly, I'm not really Page 25 1 Q. Did you ever repeat any yews? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Ninth grade is the last grade you were in or completed? 5 A. No. Eighth grade was the last grade I 6 completed. Q. Have you tried to get back to school or get a 8 GliilY7 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. When was that? 11 A. Actually, I'm waiting to take the test. It 12 should be sent to my house either today or tomorrow, 13 so... and ifs a correspondence school that I'm going 14 through, a Christian correspondence school. 15 Q. Okay. How long have you been doing that for? 16 A. For the past month I've been studying for it 17 Q. Okay. How do you feel your chances are? 18 A. No, I'm ready to take the test 19 Q. You're ready to take it? 20 A. Yes. 21. Q. Good. 22 Any problems with reading or math or — 23 A Yeah, I do have a little bit of difficulties. 24 A lot of this stuff I just kind of forgot about, just 25 basic stuff. But now that I went to Barnes & Noble's Page 37 1. 3 2 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 know if you want me to list all of those because a lot sure It was called before it got shut down, but ifs gone out of business. I worked there. I worked a il i two places A. No. I've worked at — do you want me to name them all? Q. Yes. A. Okay. I'm trying to think of - Sin told you about, I worked an Q. That's two different ones? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. A. And right here ini there was off of narr i a ' Than when I first danced when I was -- I there was a club. I kind of forgot the was even way too young, but they never checked my ID, so I was able to. It was, I think, ta The somethin I've worked at - n I've worked at a lot of the clubs. Q. Okay. A. And a lot of them were just fora day, do you what I mean? I went there to check it out so I don't 10 (Pages 34 to 37) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Riccluti (601) 3f6765dc-3693-4b91-13500-98638alga746 EFTA00723640 Page 38 1 of the other ones I just worked at — generally, those 2 are the ones that I worked at. 3 Q. Again, I don't know much about how that 4 business works. So I mean how would you get a job at 5 one of those places? 6 A. You just go in and you ask them if you — that 7 you want a job dancing. And most of the times I asked 8 if I could work that day, and a lot of the times they 9 would say, okay, if you want to go in the back and get 10 dressed. And they audition you on the stage just, you 11 know, make sure that you're not all crazy looking, I 12 suppose, and either they hire you or they don't. 13 Q. Okay. And do you basically work for tips or 14 do they pay you or — 15 A. No. 16 Q. Do you pay for your stage time? 17 A. No, it's all tips and then we pay. And then 18 you have to pay them obviously to work there, like 19 house. And if we do the dances, $25, you have to 20 give — the house gets 5, you know. But on stage, you 21 gm to keep all your tips. 22 Q. Okay. And how much did you make a day 23 dancing? 24 A. It varies. You can — nowadays, you can't -- 25 I can't make very much money, but in the past I've made Page 40 1 Q. Okay. Have you ever had any problems with a 2 patron being too fresh or out of control? 3 A. What, like a customer? 4 Q. Customer. 5 A. Yes, I have had problems with that. 6 Q. And how do you deal with that or — 7 A. There are bouncers. It's always -- nothing 8 has ever gotten out of control where, you know -- if I 9 ever had a problem with the customer, I just go up to 10 the closest floor guy, bouncer that there is. Normally, 11 they handle it. 12 Q. When I've talked with some people who've done 13 this type of work, and usually they were more at one 14 place — 15 A. Right. 16 Q. -- they said that they would have a very close 17 relationship with the bouncers. 18 A. Right. 19 Q. Did you have anybody in particular or any of 20 the bouncers that you felt were very protective of you? 21 A. Yeah, defmitely. I -- when I worked at 22 e bouncer, =and also 23 another bouncer I was very close with them. 24 Q. Okay. And usually folks describe them almost 25 like a brother/sister type of relationship. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Page 39 anywhere from $100 to 1,000. 1 mean, it really varies. Q. Okay. Are you still dancing currently? A. Once in a while. The last time I danced was two weeks ago. Q. Okay. Where was that at? A. AtIIII=Ip And before — I mean, I really haven mean, core that, before two weeks ago, I hadn't danced in like two months, so... Q. Okay. Was there any place where you were Idnd of like a regular that you were working out for like a month or a year or — A. Yeah, that was atIMIII the lipp e. the same club. I worke ere forayer)! Q. Okay. Were you ever fired from a club or — A. No. There was clubs that I walked out of, Q. Which ones were those? A. I've walked out of before, the last time I worked them. Q. Okay. Why would you walk out? A. I just felt like it was a number — there was so many girls, there wasn't — it was just kind of a 24 waste of my time. I wasn't making any money, I was 25 frustrated. Page 4: 1 A. Yeah, definitely. 2 Q. Has there ever been a bouncer that you dated? 3 A. No. 4 Q. What's kind of the worst thing that's happened 5 at one of these clubs? 6 A. As in? 7 Q. Well, you said there were times when you would 8 have to go get a bouncer. 9' A. Just like, you know, you're giving a dance to 10 a guy, and they're not supposed to touch you, they're 11 supposed to keep their hands by their side. They try 12 touching you. You know, I by to be nice about it and 13 say, I'm sorry, but you can't touch me as I'm dancing, 14 and they'll try to get a cheap shot in, you know, grab 15 your private parts or whatever if they get the chance 16 to. And basically anytime that's happened, I stopped 17 what I'm doing, go get a bouncer and make them give me 18 the money for, you know and either give me the money. 19 Sometimes they give me the money and then they kick them 20 out or, you know, or that's the tidiest extent of It, 21 really. I've never had anything outlandish, crazy, you 22 know. 23 Q. So nobody has ever dumped you off or slapped 24 you or -- 25 A. No. 11 (Pages 38 to 41) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Ricelutt (801 3f8788dc-3693.4b9f-bsoe-98638af0a748 EFTA00723641 Page 42 1 Q. But somebody would try to grab you? Did they 2 ever try to insert a finger in your vagina or anything 3 like that? 4 A. Right, that has happened. 1 mean, they've 5 tried but never succeeded, but anytime that's ever 6 happened, I've always stopped what I'm doing and walked 7 away and get the bouncer and let them handle it. 8 Q. Okay. Have you ever been propositioned while 9 you were working at one of these clubs? 10 A. As in? 11 Q. As in doing something extra after hours or 12 prostitution or - 13 A. Right, no. 14 Q. — sexual favors, or... 15 A. No. 16 Q. It sounds like we're getting a little bit of a 17 tropical depression. 18 Anything else, any work that you did that you 19 think I should know or that would be helpful for me to 20 understand? 21 A. I guess that's about it. I think we covered 22 pretty much the basics. 23 Q. Okay. Now, I understand that a lot of times 24 there could be a lot of drugs and stuff in those clubs. 25 A. Definitely. Page 44 1 Q. Okay. What other types of jobs have you had 2 besides, I guess, the exotic dancing, you said? .3 A. Right. 4 Q. I know you said waitressing, but where else 5 have you worked? 6 A. I worked at a bagel shop not too long ago. I 7 was a waitress there for about a . I o ed up my 8 own business. It's called I cleaned 9 houses. 10 Q. Okay. 11 A. rve bartended. 12 Q. Do you know the name of the bagel shop? Was 13 it Rice Einstein Brothers — 14 A. No, it was called was actually 15 the name of it. 16 Q. Truth in advertising. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Okay. 19 ow ong ow do that for? 20 A. The I did that for about a 21 year, &little over a year. 22 Q. Now, was that like a franchise thing or was 23 that your own business? 24 A. No, that was just my own business. 25 Q. And how many clients did you have? Page 43 Page 45 1 Q. Have people come up and offered you drugs 1 A. I would have, at the end, I had probably 30. 2 while you've been working? 2 Q. That's a good number. 3 A. Yeah, definitely. 3 A. Yeah. A lot of them came fro 4 Q. Have you over used while working? 4 which that was right S A. Yes. 5 people. So a la of the times it was a mixture of 6 Q What would they offer you and what have you 6 cleaning their house, going grocery shopping for them, 7 used? 7 you know what I mean, kind of helping them out, their 8 A. Eve used in the past. I was addicted to 8 laundry, you know. 9 pills. 9 Q. Why did you give that up? 10 Q. Okay. Prescription medicines — 10 A. I actually moved farther down south. 1 11 A. Right. 11 actually got out of a relationship I was with and — 12 Q. — not like heroin or cocaine? 12 with my ex, so l kind of just left this area. 13 A. No, nothing ever like that, never. 13 Q. Okay. So that's the reason you shut down? 14 Q. Okay. And how old were you when you started 14 A. Yeah. That happened about a year ago. I quit 15 doing that type of work? 15 all that a 16 A. I was 16. 16 Q. Sr housecleaning, bartending. 17 Q. And how much would you do when you were 16 -- 17 Where did you attend bar at? 18 A. Actually, I was 15 when my — the first club I 18 A. Right now I'm actually still tending bar. 19 ever worked at was tha 19 It's call to and ifs in And 20 that I was telling you abou , a on ru y 20 right now, it's not -- you know, l don't have a set 21 remember. I was 15. 21 schedule. It's more of the, you know, whenever somebody 22 Q. And were you working like one night a week or 22 calls out or can't really make it, I'm staying right 23 was this like a weekend — 23 there — literally right behind the so... 24 A. No. I was working as much as I could because 24 Q. If they need someone, it's -- 25 at that time, I needed the money. 25 A. Right, its more of a call-in, yeah, at the —====i=issisa=tocemeset irte=====sserscerarisssezinst 12 (Pages 42 to 45) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Mesta (601a 316766dc-3693-4b9f-b60048638af0a746 EFTA00723642 Page 46 Page 48 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Any other jobs a anything else you've done for work? A. 1 mean, like I said, bartended, cocktail waitressed, I've cleaned houses, I have...oh, I did telemarketing for a while. I was still Q. What's the longest job you've A. I would say probably -- other than dancing? Q. Sure. A. I would say when I worked at and I had my own business. Q. Okay. And when you were dancing, what's the longest you stayed at any one club or — A. I stayed aintil from — round about from 16 to 20. Q. So for about four years then? A. Uh-huh. Q. Okay. And Ilmow you said in the beginning it was kind of like an every-night type of thing. On average, how many nights would you go in? A. Actually, longer than — I mean, for probably two years, or even three years, I would try to go almost every night I would say about three nights on average a week. Q. Okay. Were you ever in the military? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. When did the first one start? A. The first one started — trying to go backwards here. Probably when I was like 15. Q. Okay. How long did that last for? A. Not very long. Probably like a month or so. We just kind of dated. Q. Okay. A. He was like my first boyfriend. Q. Can I,S01 you remember? A. Yeah (phonetic). Q. Okay. And youdated him for a month? A. Give or take. Maybe longer, maybe a month, two months. Q. Okay. Next one? A. I'm trying — I was with (phonetic). Q. Could ou II that? A. I think it's but l could be wrong. Q. You'll get a question mark next to it. A. Okay. Q. How long did you dataror? A. I dated him for over a year. Q. Okay. All right. And the one after that? A. I dated — his name is and I dated him Page 4"' 1 A. No, no. 2 Q. Did you ever take the ASVABs or anything like 3 that in school? 4 A. No. 5 Q. Ever date anyone in the military'? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Okay. Pm just going to talk a little bit 8 about your relationship history some. 9 A. Okay. 10 Q. What age did you start dating? 11 A. I started dating when I was probably like — 12 probably around 14, 14,15. 13 Q. Okay. And what type of dates would those be? 14 A. Just, you know, kind of more like crushes, 15 going to the movies, you know, just kind of hanging out, 16 nothing... 17 Q. Okay. How many significant relationships have 18 you had? 19 A. As in sexual relationships, or — 20 Q. No, just significant. 21 A. Like long-term dating 22 Q. Long-term dating. 23 A. — you would say? I would say — I'm trying 24 to do -- probably — one, two, three like four or 25 five. Four or five. Page 49 1 for about six months or so. 2 Q. aC inDo you know 'ast name? 3 A. 4 Q. TM! 5 A. And then I was — I'm trying... 6 Q S° I Sot IMINIMIM 7 A. And I dal 8 Q. 9 A. 10 Q. 11 A. and I was with him fora while, 12 actually. We always liked each other, but I was with 13, him for over two years. 14 Q. Okay. 15 A. But we had kind of through, you know, that 16 whole timeline, we always talked and always liked each 17 other, but we never did anything with one another. 18 Q. So you knew him for at least — 19 A. Yeah, 1 knew him when I was - 20 Q. —12 or 13 — 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. —or are we talking —is that earlier? 2 3 A. No. I blew him when I was probably 12 or 13 24 years old. 25 Q. Okay. n (Pages 46 to 49) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Riccluti (601a 3f6785dc-3693-4b9f-b50o-98638af0a746 EFTA00723643 Page 50 Page 52 1 A. And I just — we just broke up last — it's 2 been a year now that we haven't been together. 3 Q. All right. Have you been dating since then, 4 or -- 5 A. Yeah. I m bo iend 6 Q. I'm sorry, 7 A. 8 Q ()kW. 9 A. And I've been dating him for a little under a 10 year. 11 Q. Okay. Just kind of going through, why did 12 things break up with 13 A. We were I was just young and so was he. 14 Q. Okay. But I mean, did anything happen or did 15 you just say, yeah, it's — 16 A. Yeah, we just really weren't into each other. 17 I guess we thought we hied each other, and... 18 Q. Okay. How about 19 A. had a drug addiction problem, and he went 20 to rehab for it. And when he went to rehab for it, 21 we — me and his mother drove to Louisiana and dropped 22 him off at the rehab, and it was best that we didn't 23 have a relationship at that time so he could better 24 himself. 25 Q. Okay. What was he using? 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. And then 3 A. Yeah. I still have an ongoing relationship 4 with him right now. 5 Q. Where did you guys meet? 6 A. We actually met I met him through a good 7 friend of mine, probably in '05, in '05, and we 8 were friends. 9 Q. Okay. I apologize. 'just realized there was 10 a question I forgot to ask you about work Did you ever 11 receive any awards at any of the places you worked? 12 A. No. 13 Q. Okay. And school, did you receive any awards? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Okay. Which ones did you get in school? 16 A. Student of the year, most improved student of 17 the year for band, cheerleading awards. I mean, 18 trophies -- I have all kind of trophies, but... 19 Q. Okay. Ever receive any disciplinary actions 20 or reprimands from school? 21. A. No. 22 Q. How about at work, any disciplinary? 23 A. No. 24 And I don't know if this is important, but 25 he's deceased. 6 7 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Q. Okay. Is it okay if I put in quotes, wife 25 .- figure? SOW Page 51 1 A. I believe it was cocaine. He was really 2 sneaky, so honestly I don't — I don't know -- 3 Q. Question mark 4 A. - what he was doing, right. 5 Q. A. Me and him, I've known him from when I was very young, like, probably eight, nine growing up in an old neighborhood that I used to live in. So me and him were really good Mends and tried to do the whole dating thing, but it wasn't really working out so we kind of, you know, just went back to being friends, you know. We didn't want to mess that up. Q. Okay. MI A. Q. sorry. A. s okay. We were very much in love with each other, and I still love him to this day and I'm sure he still loves me to this day, and things just didn't work out, I suppose you could say. I just felt like there -- we weren't spending enough time with one another, like I wasn't being appreciated. I felt like I was kind of doing a wife figure to him and it wasn't equal. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 53 Q. When did that happen? A. That happened this year. Q. Do you know what happened? A. It happened in March. He committed suicide. Q. Were you in contact with him at the time? A. No. I wasn't — I mean, no, I wasn't in contact with him. I've always stayed in very good contact with his family to this day, but... Q. Okay. A. We always remained good friends after he got out of rehab and so we always kept in touch. Q. Okay. Did you find him or somebody else found him? A. 14 (Pages 50 to 53) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana RIcclutt (601MM) 316766dc-3693-4b91-b60a-98638af0a746 EFTA00723644 Page 54 1 2 3 4 5 . y. ow you e news w en you e found out? 7 A. I did not take it good. 8 Q. I apologize, I think you mentioned this. You 9 said this O 10 A. 11 Q. 12 A. 13 Q. Forgive me. I see a lot of different people 14 for a lot of different reasons, so sometimes when they 15 say they didn't take it well, it meant they got 16 hospitalized or — 17 A. No. I mean, I wasn't hospitalized or anything 18 like that. 19 20 Q. Okay. With your permission, rii ask you more 21 about that later on. 22 A. Yeah, that's fine. If you need to talk about 23 it right now, I'm fine to talk about it right now to get 24 it over with. 25 Q. Okay, Well, let's go ahead then. How long 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 56 like I said, I was always very good friends with all of his family, his sister, his mother; me and his mother were very good friends. I was going to classes and meetings with her and, you know, we just kind of all 1 2 3 5 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 55 did it last? A. What? Q• A. Probably for like two months. Q. Again, that's one of those words that a lot of people use but they may mean different things by it.■ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Is this the first time you've lost somebody that was in your life? well, I guess I suppose at the end of the year, Pm not — I don't real remember right now, but my good frien (phonetic) had passed away, and she was = Q. And again ballpark, go ahead, I think you were going to -- 15 (Pages 54 to 57) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601a 3f6765dc-3693-4b9f•b50o-98638at0a746 EFTA00723645 Page 58 Page 60 9 10 11 12 1.3 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2 3 4 6 7 8 10 11 12 . ^ere you war ng m sorry. ere you working at that time, or... A. Oh, no. Q. How were you supporting yourself? 13 A. I was — been witt and 14 he was taking care of me. 15 Q. Okay. Has there ever been any episodes of 16 domestic violence in any of your dating relationships? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Have there ever been any issues of infidelity 19 in any of your relationships? 20 A. What do you mean? 21 Q. People cheating on you or you cheating on 22 someone else. 23 A. No. 24 Q. I think 1 used the right word, infidelity. 25 And again, if I ever ask anything that you're 1 sexual experience? 2 A. I was — when I wanted to have my first sexual 3 experience, P11 put it that way, I was — when I lost 4 my virginity, I was 15. 5 Q. And if I may ask, who was that with? 6 A. That was with a kid named 7 Q. Do you know his last name. M 8 A. 9 Q. Was that a good experience, a bad experience? 10 A. I don't know how the first time is with 11 everybody, but it was definitely an uncomfortable 12 experience. 13 Q. Okay. What made it uncomfortable or awkward 14 or unpleasant or -- 15 A. I guess it was unpleasant because it was 16 painful, I guess, without detail. 17 Q. Okay. Have you ever had any other issues with 18 pain when you've had intercourse, or... 19 A. No. 20 Q. And again, without getting into graphic 21 detail, why do you think the first time was painful for 22 you? 23 A. Just because I was a virgin and I've never 24 had — never IS anything in there, I guess. 25 Q. I'm going to try to use medical terms. Page 59 1 not sure about, please feel free to ask. A. Definitely. Q. And I know we talked about the sexual abuse when you were a child. Kind of separate as more of 5 teenage, adult, ever any issues of being raped or date raped or anything along those lines? 7 A. No. Q. When I asked about significant relationships, you initially brought up number of sexual partners and things like that. How many sexual partners have you had? A. I know -- one, two — I would say I've had sexual relationships with about 12 people. (Cell e interruption.) MS I'm sorry, I thought I turned that off. I apo BY DR. HALL: Q. Not a problem. Do you prefer men, women or both? A. Men. Q. I think in medical school they actually stress that we ask it that way. It always seemed a little odd to me, but.. A. Okay. Page 61 Right. 2 Q. If I use something, please feel free, but 3 usually when people are -- virginally have their hymen 4 intact, some people say perforated, and that can be 5 uncomfortable. 6 A. Right 7 Q So I'm assuming that's what you're describing. 8 A. That's what I'm trying to say, yes. 9 Q. But no other issues with what they would call 10 dyspareunia or pain or insertion or over-sensitivity I I or -- 12 A. No. 13 Q. — anything being too tight? 14 A. No. 15 Q. Ever had an STD or any problems? 16 A. No. 17 Q. Do you practice safe sex? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. And how many partners have you had in one 20 year? 21 A. Just the one. 22 Q. One per year? 23 A. Well... 2 4 Q. And forgive me, I'm trying to do the math, Q. How old were you when you had your first 25 because if;you started at 15 to 22, that's roughly seven cater 16 (Pages 58 to 61) PROSE COURT REPORTING.AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Moduli (601 ) 3f6765dc-3693-4b91-b50e-98638afga748 EFTA00723646 Page 62 Page 64 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 years. A. Yeah. So then there's probably been maybe two in one year, Pm not really sure. But any time I've ever been with anybody, Pve always been with that person. Q. Okay. So it's always been monogamous relationships? A. -Right, definitely. Q. And you may have had more than one relationship in a year, but — A. Right. Q. Okay. Ever have any one night stands or casual sex, or... A. No. Q. Have you ever engaged in prostitution or exchanging sex for drugs or housing or anything along those lines? A. No. Q. No? You smiled a little bit when I asked that. A. No. 'just think — I just — no, I just... Q. Has anybody ever asked you to engage in a sexual act that you weren't comfortable with? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Is that Epstein or was that others as 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 three a four times a week. Q. I'm just trying to think of the best way to phrase this: When you axe intimate, how long would that last? A. An hour. Q. Okay. And how old a A. IN Q. And when you were dating=how old was he? A. Probably.- Q. And A. He — he was born ins, so - he wa: little older than me. Q. Okay. And you were born hall? A. ■ Q. So about five years? A. Right, five years difference. Q. A. He was born Innis well. Same age difference. Q Ana A. right now. Q. Okay. So about three years? A. Yes. Q. I'll put an approximate sign there. Page 63 1. well? 2 A. No, that's just Epstein. 3 Q. Just Epstein? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Okay. Do you have any particular interests 6 when it comes to sexual intercourse? 7 A. What do you mean by that? 8 Q. Some people like role playa Wm S & M or 9 have a foot fetish or — is there anything out of the 10 usual you like to do or you would consider special, 11 unique, anything you've suggested to people that they 12 were like, well, that's odd or I think you're — 13 A. Right. No, I'm pretty — 14 Q. --pretty- 15 A. I'm pretty normal. 16 Q. Have you tried anal sex? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Oral sex? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. (living and receiving or Pal giving or just 21 receiving? 22 A. Both. 23 Q. And how frequently do you engage in sexual 24 activity? 24 25 A. Well, I'm — I do have 'boyfriend, so maybe 25 Page 65 1 A. Uh-huh. 2 Q. Okay. Do you use any marital aids when you're 3 with people? 4 A. What do you mean/ 5 Q. Vibrators, sex toys? 6 A. No. I mean, 1 have in the past, but.. 7 Q. Okay. You don't use them in the current 8 relationship? 9 A. Right. 10 Q. Would you like to use than In your current 11 relationship? 12 A. No. 1.3 Q. Are you satisfied with the level of intimacy 14 in your current relationship? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. This may be an odd question, I know nobody has 17 a crystal ball: How serious is the current 18 relationship? Do you think this might be the one, or is 19 this we're going to wait and see, or... 20 A. We're going to wait and see. We're just going 21 to go on with the flow of things. Tt is a good 22 relationship. We've definitely had our moments, you 23 know, fighting and everything else. Q. Do you get along with his family? A. He doesn't have — his father, I believe is 17 (Pages 62 to 65) PROSE COURT REPORTING Electronically signod by Juana Ricciutl (6011a AGENCY, INC. 3f6766dc-3693-4b9f-b50e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723647 Page 66 1 the only one down here, but yeah, I really get along 2 with him. I've only met him on a few occasions. 3 Q. Are you living together currently or do you 4 have separate houses or — 5 A. No. We -- I -- I mean, I do have —I live -- 6 I kind of go back and forth right now where I'm staying 7 and I go to his house and I'll stay fora week, two 8 weeks. 9 Q. Okay. So you have your own apartment but you 10 spend a lot of time with him? 11 A. Right. 12 Q. Okay. I'm assuming an apartment, you may rent 13 a house or — 14 A. Right. 15 Q. Do either of you have a roommate? 16 A. Yes, 1 live with re a 17 friend of mine, and also her 18 Q. a nickname, or is that her actual -- 19 A. That's a nickname. Her name'Ml 20 (phonetic). Pm sorry, I'm just used to calling her 21 that. 22 Q. No, that's all right. 23 A. Right. 24 Q. Have any of your past boyfriends ever been in 25 any gangs? Page 68 1 Q. Okay. Did any of your past boyfriends know 2 that you were working at places lik 3 A. Yes. I was — I've always been very onest. 4 Do you mind if I just make a phone call real 5 quick? 6 Q. No. Why don't we go ahead and take a little 7 break. 8 A. All right. 9 Q. We've been going fora while and so we 10 probably need to change the tape, so now is probably a 11 good time as any. 12 A. All right. Do you mind if I run downstairs 13 and smoke a cigarette? 14 Q. That's fine by me. 15 A. Okay, perfect. 16 Q. Again, this is not an endurance test so if you 17 need a break or something — 18 A. I appreciate it. I'm just going to run 19 downstairs and take a smoke break real quick. 20 (A brief recess was taken.) 21 BY DR. HALL: 22 Q. Okay. So we just spent time talking about 23 past relationships, boyfriends and things Ince that. We 24 took about a tea-minute break, you went downstairs -- 25 A. Right. Page 67 1 A. No. 2 Q. Have you ever been in any gangs? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Have any of your past boyfriends ever been the S victim of a violent act that you're aware of? 6 A. No, not to my knowledge. 7 Q. Of course my next question is the living 8 situation, so if you wouldn't mind just going back ova 9 • that with me. So you're currently in an apartment — 10 A. Right. 11 Q. — down in= 12 A. 13 Q. You have your own bedroom, I'm assuming? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. And you're living with a friend? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Where did you meet her at? 19 danced with her That's where I met A. I met her thro a — 'actually — no,1 18 20 her at. 21 Q. And do you get along all right with her 22 husband? 23 A. Yes, very 24 • Q. And then down in 25 A. No. He's in Page 69 Q. — had a cigarette and came back up? 2 A. Right. 3 Q. Okay. Any questions at this time or — 4 A. No. 5 Q. No? Okay. 6 Talking also about living situations, and you 7 also said that you told past relationships that you had 8 worked as — as a dancer. 9 A. Correct 10 Q. Did you tell any of your past relationships 11 about Jeffrey or Mr. Epstein? 12 A. Yeah. is the one that passed away; he 13 'mew about it. 14 I was also thinking downstairs, there was also 15 another boyfriend I had for a short period of time. His 16 name 17 Q. Okay. 18 A. And it was kind of the same thing; we were 19 friends, tried the dating thing for a couple of weeks, 20 didn't work out. We in contact but he also knew 21 about Jeffrey Epstein. knew about it. I believe 22 knew about it, but I mean we weren't 23 together; do you know what I mean? 24 Q. Okay. Does your current boyfriend know about 25 it, or... 18 (Pages 66 to 69) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601 INC. 3f6765dc-3693.4b9f-b50e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723648 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 70 A. Yes, he does. That's what — I'm trying to -- my phone is going off because he's wondering. I didn't know this was going to happen all today, so he was wondering what was taking so long, so I went and used the phone. Q. So when you went downstairs, you called him and spoke with him? A. Right, yes. Q. I'm going to now — what does he do again? A. Who? Q. A. He does all sorts of stuff, electrician, the side electrician work; he did roofing for a while landscaping. Q. Okay. Have any of your past boyfriends ever had any criminal hi or activity? A. Yeah, wi He's incarcerated right now, actually. Q. Okay. What's he in for? A. Honestly, I don't know. I'm not 100 patent Q. Fair enough. How long ago did you see him then? A. I actually just went and visited him in jail not too long ago. Maybe two months ago, three months ago. Page 72 1 Okay. And then I know we talked about this 2 some earlier, but issues with homelessness, have you 3 ever been in a shelter? 4 A. No. 5 ...And I think you said you stayed with the 6 or a while? 7 A. Correct. 8 Q. And that was for a two to three-year period of 9 time? 10 A. Uh-huh. 11 Q. And when was the last time you would say that 12 you were homeless or fit that category? 13 A. I in the time frame when my parents were 14 when we were struggling. So from, like, 14 to 16, when 15 I was bouncing back and I was living at tla 16 house. That was... 17 Q. Okay. And I think you said mom's been clean 18 for three years? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. So the last three years, you've also been 21 stable in terms of — 22 A. Definitely, yes. 23 Q. Okay. So we know at least three years stable? 24 A. Right. 25 Q. And was there a period of time before she got Page 71 1 Q. And when — what time period did you guys 2 date? 3 A. I was younger, obviously. I was IS, around 4 about, 16. 5 Q. Okay. 6 A. Somewhere in there. 7 Like I said, we only dated fora couple of 8 weeks. We were friends. 9 Q. Okay. So that was a while back? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Okay. Any other boyfriends ever been in jail 12 or incarcerated? 13 A. =had — went to jail before,M- 14 has been in jail before. 15 Q. Do you know what Mwas in jail for? 16 A. Honestly, I think it was for violation of 17 probation. 18 Q. Okay. Do you know what he was on probation 19 for? 20 A. NO, I'm really - really not sure. That was 21 before we got together. 22 Q. Okay. Since you guys have been dating, 23 though, he's not been incarcerated or... 24 A. No. 2 5 Q. No? Okay. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 73 clean that you were stable in terms of housing? A. Yes. She got clean before for probably six months when -- in like '05. Actually, probably -- yeah, around six months she was -- so for maybe eight months. And she had moved and she was a florist out an go e lM.. 1 1 .—y. I. M ist of got away from here, you know. Q. Okay. Did you go with her unto= or did you stay here? A. No. I was living irk at that time. Q. Who were you living with then? A. My friend, Q. Any of the people you were living with or friends you were staying with, did they also know Mr. Epstein or... A. No, they did not. They didn't know him. Q. Okay. Your legal history, have you ever had any rat-ins with the law? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Can you tell me about those? A. 19 (Pages 70 to 73) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jenne Riccluti 03011 1) 818766dc-3693-4b91-b50e-98638af0a748 EFTA00723649 Page 74 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Q. Okay. How old were you when that happened? 19 A. Like, 19, 20. 20 Q. Okay. Anything else? 21. A. That's about it. 22 23 24 25 Page 76 Q. Okay. How fast were you going with the 2 speeding tickets? 3 A. Not — nothing that's -- 4 Q. 5 miles over or 10 miles over or — A. Right. Like, rd say like 10. 6 Q. - 20 miles over? 7 A. rd say 10 to 15 miles over. 8 Q. Okay. I'll put an approximate sign. 9 A. Okay. 10 Q. It never reached the level of being called 11 reckless driving or careless driving? 12 A. No. 13 14 15 16 A. No. 17 Q. No. Have you been involved in any other 18 lawsuits? 19 A. No. 20 21 22 A. Probably 15. 23 Q. What was that? 24 A. 25 Q. Did you have a licane at that time? 2 3 4 6 7 a 9 0 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 75 Q. c.k . M il ==MEM Q. How was that experience? A. It wasn't nice, actually. Horrible. Q. Anything in particular happen there? A. No, nothing in particular, no. Q. What made it so bad? A. Ant the way they treat you in there, you know, treat you like you're scum. It's filthy, you're around filthy people. Q. Okay. You weren't assaulted, though, or nobody — A. No. Q. -- tried to take liberties with you while you were in or nothing like that? A. No. Q. Speeding tickets? A. Yes, I've had a couple of tickets. Not wearing a seat belt. Got a couple of tickets, like, when I was 20 for my back taillights being out. Page 77 1 2 3 4 Q. Okay. I lave you ever been convicted of any 5 felonies or misdemeanors? 6 A. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 20 (Pages 74 to 77' PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (80e) 3f6765dc-3693-4b9f-b500-98638af0a746 EFTA00723650 Page 80 1 Q. Eli definitely put a question mark. 2 A. Okay. 3 Q. Okay. Have you ever been found incompetent to 4 proceed or not guilty by reason of insanity or -- at any 5 of your court hearings or did anybody ever question your 6 competency, or... 7 A. 8 9 10 11 12 t west earcutnstances, u may 13 A. I mean, what happened? 14 Q. Yeah. 15 A. 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 79 Page 8 1 A. He's 1 2 Q. Anything else or just 2 Q. Do you remember club this was at? 3 A. He takes - bes prescribed_ I'm not — 3 A. That was at th 4 I think -- I think it's= I'm not really sure what 4 But I was just there as a customer. 1 wasn't working or 5 else he's prescribed, honestly. I know he's prescribed 5 anything like that. 6 6 Q. Okay. Do you like to go to those bars as 7 t t not rea y sure w i s ca or 7 recreation as well? ;t anything. 8 A. No, not really. I was just there to hang out 9 Q. Okay. Any of your — I may have asked this 9 with that was there. 10 already and I apologize if I have. Any of your past 10 Q. ave you ever any aliases or any other 11 boyfriends have any issues with drugs or substances? 11 names? 12 A. No. 12 A. No. 13 Q. Okay. 13 Q. How about when you were dancing, did you have 14 A. Besides 'bviously. 14 a stage name? 15 Q. Yes. 15 A. Yes. 16 A. And, I'm sorry llas well, he had a 16 Q. What was that? 17 substance-abuse problem. 17 A. I went by = 18 Q. Was that while you were dating him or 18 Q. And the same name at each place or... 19 aftenvards, 19 A. No, not all the time. 20 A. That was 20 Q. So what other ssarnes did you use? 21 Q. Okay. Sot il 21 A. fused - I us. 1 usedag and 22 any of that stuff? 22 sometimes I would have to use my own name because a lot 23 A. I want to stnnor some reason. 23 of times all the names are taken. I couldn't think of a 24 Q. Okay. 24 name without it being taken, so I've gone I3M, I've 25 A. I'm not 100 percent. 25 gone 21 (Pages 78 to 81) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans RIccluti (601 3f6786dc-3693-4b91-b508-98638af0a746 EFTA00723651 Page 82 1 Q. Did you ever register as an adult entertainer 2 or get that card or — 3 A. Yes, yes, I have. I don't have it on me. 4 Q. What's involved in that process to get that? 5 A. You go out into, l believe, it's the fire 6 station, and you just walk in and ifs either — ifs on 7 a specific day you have to go, I believe ifs 8 Wednesdays, and -- either Tuesdays or Wednesdays you go. 9 You sign in and they make you sign a piece of paper, 10 where you're working, what's your stage name, what's 11 this, what's that. You get — I think it was SI0 at the 12 time that I got mine. Now I think ifs more than that. 13 And they take you -- take your picture and give it to 14 you right there. 15 Q. Do they make a (limier do it? 16 A. No. Ifs — ifs just in the firehouse. 17 Q. Fire — downtown building, so it's not like a 18 rue station? 19 A. It — no, ifs not a fire station. I don't 20 know. I guess like the main -- 21 Q. Public works building? 22 A. Right, exactly. 23 Q. Okay. Because I know for a while they were 24 doing baby drop-offs at fire stations and stuff. 25 A. Really? Page 84 1 A. I'm a real — I drink on occasion, really. So 2 1 would say in a week, !might have one to two drinks: 3 sometimes I don't drink for a month, you know. 4 Q. Okay. What's your preference when you drink? 5 A. What do I like to drink? 6 Q. uh-huh. 7 A. I like margaritas. 8 Q. Do you ever order any special tequila or is it 9 just whatever the house puts in? 10 A. No, it's Patron. 11 Q. Gold, Silver, 120? 12 A. Silver. 13 Q. Or 1800 or whatever. 14 How old were you when you first used alcohol? 15 A. I would say around 14, 15. 16 Q. And the most you've had to drink at any one 17 time? 18 A. I couldn't really honestly say. I would — I 19 would say probably, you know, up to ten drinks. 20 Q. Okay. Is it okay if I put down the 21 approximate sign there? 22 A. Yeah, right. 23 Q. And ten drinks being like beer or being like 24 margaritas or mixed or... 25 A. No, mixed, beers. Page 83 1 Q. Yeah. 2 A. Wow. 3 Q. So when you said fire stations, I was 4 literally thinking the local -- 5 A. Right, I should have... 6 Q. Okay. Anything else other than a legal 7 lawsuit, history or anything that I should know about? 8 A. Well, actually, I was thinking about it 9 did just I moved tcM I was 10 living in • and I did get convicted 11 because I was unable to come up with the rent and he 12 didn't want to work with me, and so it was either I had 13 the money or I had to be out So he wasn't willing to 14 work with me so l had to be out. So I don't know if 15 he's pursuing the case towards me, my own landlord. I 16 think that he is. I haven't been served with papers or 17 anything like that, so I'm not sure. 18 Q. Boniput that down as a maybe. 19 A. Yeah. 20 Q. Okay. And we've talked a little bit about 21 pills and things like that. I just want to take a 22 moment here and go through the substances. 23 A. Okay. 24 Q. Kind of one at a time. 25 So how much do you drink a week? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 85 Q. Have you ever developed a tolerance to alcohol? A. No, not really. Q. You don't have to drink any more to get the same effect, right? A. No. Q. Ever have any withdrawal symptoms when you stopped drinking? A. No. Q. Okay. So no shakes, seizures — A. No. Q. sweats? No? A. No. Q. Any negative consequences from drinking? A. No. Q. Any treatment for drinking? A. No. Q. And the last time you had something to drink? A. Sunday. Not Sunday, when the Dolphins were &Yin& Q. I have to renumber. Were they playing Green Bay last Sunday? A. What? What were they playing? Good question. I want to say the Patriots, no? Q. That's right. They did play the Patriots. 22 (Pages 82 to 85) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Rinsing (601a 303766dc-3693-4b9f-b50o-98638af0a746 EFTA00723652 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 86 1 How many did you have during the game? 2 A. I had like maybe three mixed drinks. 3 Q. Okay. Were you at a bar or someone's house? 4 A. No. I was at my house. 5 Q. And I think the Pats won that day, didn't 6 they? 7 A. Yes, they did. 8 Q. Do you remember the score by any chance? A. No, I don't. I stopped watching. Q. True Dolphins fan. A. Yes. Q. Marijuana, how old were you when you first used? A. 14, 15, all around the same time. Q. Okay. And we talked earlier about having kind of mental markers. Is there any events in your life that help you know that? A. What do you mean? Q. Well, I remember it was 15 because I was in eighth grade, or I think it's 14 because I was in seventh grade or — A. Yeah, I'd say — rd day 14 or 15 because it was the end of my eighth grade. Q. Did you try it by yourself or were you with someone or -- Page 88 1 marijuana? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Any negative consequences from using 4 marijuana? 5 A. S 6 Q. Okay. Any treatment e at to marijuana use? 7 A. No. 8 Q. And the last time ou used marluana? 9 A. 10 Q. 11 A. es. 12 Q. So you just turned.. 13 A. Correct 14 Q. Okay. Cocaine? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Never tried it? 17 A. I tried it when I was approximately the same 18 age. I was kind of experimenting, but I probably did a 19 line of coke in all my young years. 20 Q. Okay. So you never smoked it, you just 21 sniffed it? 22 A. Yeah. 23 Q. Okay. Using it once, it's hard to develop 24 tolerance because — 25 A. Yeah, no. Page 87 1 A. No, l was with someone. 2 Q. Who were you with? 3 A. 1 was with my best friend at the time, so -- I l remain close to my friend, 5 Q. Okay. What' name? 6 A. 7 Q. okay. 8 Doe motsw about Mr. Epstein? 9 A. Yes, she does. 10 Q. Okay. Dld she also go with Mr. Epstein or -- 11 A. Yes, she did. 12 Q. What was the maximum amount you would smoke? 13 A. Not that much. 1 don't —1 mean, when 1— I 14 tried it; 1 didn't really like it that much, so... 15 Q. Okay. Joints, blunts — 16 A. Yeah, I'd smoked blunts. 17 Q. Dooby pipes? 18 A. Yeah, probably — maybe like two blunts, I 19 don't know. 20 Q. Okay. How frequently would you use? 21 A. Just kind of recreationally. Like, if there 22 was a party going on or something like that. 23 Q. Once a month, two times a year? 24 A. I'd say probably like twice a month. 25 Q. Any withdrawal symptoms from stopping using 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 89 Q. You probably wouldn't get withdrawal symptoms. A. No. It was just the one-time thing. Q. Any negative feelings from using It, or it just wasn't your bag, or... A. Yeah, no. My parents are -- were addicts of that so... Q. Okay. A. It's kind of the devil's drug, so I was always — never wanted anything to do with it. Q. Any treatment for cocaine? A. No. Q. Okay. And your most recent use then would be 14, 15? A. Right, yeah, years ago. Q. Now, we talked a little bit about pills. What — what did you take? 23 (Pages 86 to 89) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joan. Ricciull (601 ) 3t6785dc-3693-4b9f-b500-986allat0a746 EFTA00723653 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Can I turn my phone off? fm sorry. Q. Uh-huh, yeah. I was about to say, text message? A. No. I just wanted to turn it of£ Page 90 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 H 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 24 (Pages 90 to 93) Page 92 Q. Okay. And I think I asked this before, but bear with me. You never exchanged sex far drugs or other favors? A. No. Q. And you never sold to be able to -- A. Right. Q. — afford them or things like that? A. No. 1 never did any of that. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuli (601) INC. 3f6766de-3693-4b9r•b50e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723654 Page 94 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 7 Q Where — where did you get that at? 8 A. I went to 9 Q. Okay. Anywhere else? 10 A. No, that's it 11 Q. Okay. How many times did you go t 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pate 95 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 k 2 Q. 3 A. 4 Q. 5 A. 6 Q. (Non-verbal response.) No? No. Okay. LSD? PCP? Moth? No. Ecstasy? Page 97 7 7 8 8 9 9 10 10 11 11 12 12 13 13 14 14 15 15 16 16 17 17 18 18 19 19 20 20 21 21 22 22 23 23 24 24 .25 25 Q. Okay. Have you ever used '.f ants, *RI 25 (Pages 94 to 97) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciutl (601- 3f6765dc-3693-4b9f-bSee-980338afga746 EFTA00723655 Page 98 Page 100 1 or things like that? 2 A. No. 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. PII, again, put an approximate sign. A. Okay. Q. Okay. Nicotine, we had a smoke break so Pm pretty sure -- A. Yealt,1 do smoke. Q. When did you start smoking? A. I didn't start smoking until I was like 20. Q. Okay. A. That's weird, right? Q. Why? A. I know. Honestly, from I believe just like being — well, I guess that's not true. When I danced, you know — I guess like maybe when! was 18, I started smoking socially at the bar when I would be working or 1 A. No. 2 Q. When you used marijuana, did you ever lace it 3 with anything or do anything else with it? 4 • A. No. 5 Q. So you never dipped it in like alcohol or 6 formaldehyde, or — 7 A. No. 8 Q. -- PCP. 9 You don't think you ever got a bad batch? 10 A. No. 11 Q. You mentioned a little bit earlier that a lot 12 of times at the clubs and stuff there were a lot of 13 drugs. What do you think you were exposed to when you 14 were dancing? 15 A. I think I was probably exposed to everything 16 that you can come by, pretty much. 17 Q. Strange question, but why did you not pick up 18 some other habits then? I mean, as I said, up in 19 Baltimore, heroin's king. I mean, everybody seems to be 20 chasing the dragon and cocaine and stuff. How did you 21 avoid the IV drugs and all of that? 22 A. I mean, 1 just — I guess with my parents 23 being addicts, I mean, 1 knew I was a form of an addict 24 myself by eating pills or whatever, but I just never 25 wanted to get in that scene. Page 99 1 having a drink or whatever, even though I wasn't 2 supposed to be drinking. I would have, like, an 3 occasion — on occasion I'd have a cigarette, and then I 4 never -- like, I never -- after I left, I never smoked at home. It was always, you know. if I was having a drink or something like that, and then the more 1 smoked at the bar, the more I -- 3 Q. You got into it? 9 A. -- got into it and got the addiction, so... 10 Q. How much are you doing a day now? 11 A. I smoke probably a pack every four days, five 12 days. 13 Q. Okay. So again, estimating about four to five 14 cigarettes a day? 15 A. Right. 16 Q. Okay. And I think there is like 20 cigarettes 17 in a pack? 18 A. Right. 19 Q. Again, I'm not your treating doe, but stop -- 20 A. No, I latow. 21 Q. -- for your health. 22 A. I lmow. 23 Q. Ever use any herbals like mushrooms or any of 24 those, trumpets or pepsin weed or peyote or mescaline or 25 shrooms or... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 101 Q. And just for my own knowledge base, did answers — did you use IV drugs or was it just sniffing and snorting? A. Most -- I would say mostly it's just a lot of snorting cocaine. I mean, I have met probably three girls that were just out of control, would do anything that -- you know, anything, but for the most part, just a lot of cocaine. Q. Okay. You said when you were dancing you were drinking when you shouldn't have been. A. Right. Q. Was that just work policy or meaning under age 21? A. I was just under age 21. Q. Okay. Longest period of time you've been drug free? A. I'm sorry? Q. Longest period you've been drug free? A. Over two years. Q. Good for you. A. Thank you. Q. So how old were you when you went to the program? A. I was 16. 26 (Pages 98 to 101) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Bectronicalhi signed by Jeans Riceluti (601 3f6765dc-3693-4b91-bS0o-S8638affla746 EFTA00723656 Page 102. Page 104 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. And what did you do to get two years clean? A. Actually, when me andagot together, he was a big part of that. I was tired of not knowing myself, you know, and he really helped me in a lot of ways. That's when I started my own business and we started pre-occupying my time doing — Instead of doing pills or anything. Q. Okay. And the two years is recently, correct? A. Right. Q. That would be — A. Give or — besides I did smoke — I did smoke marijuana on my birthday that I did tell you about, but as fares ills — Most violent thing you've ever done? A. Violent? Q. Qb-huli. A. Q. Were you c or was s c c a go or - A. Yeah. She I could have pressed charges against her but I didn't. Q. Okay. Do you own any weapons? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Current boyfiiend own any weapons? 4 A. No. Maybe like a pocket knife or something 5 like that, but nothing extreme. 6 Q. Okay. No machetes, no - 7 A. Right. Q. -- pistols, no fencing swords, no blow darts 9 or nunchucics or whatever? 10 A. No, none of that. 11 Q. Something— a guy caught an intrude in his 12 garage who had a Samurai sword just lying around. 13 A. Wow. 14 Q. Just some people out there have strange 15 hobbies. 16 Okay. Actually, what are some of your 17 hobbies? 18 A. I like to do a number of things. I love the 19 beach, I'm a sun person. I have a dog, so me and him 20 bang out a lot I take bim to the dog park and hang 21 out. 22 Q. What type of dog? 23 A. He's a pekingese/chihuahua mix. He's only 24 four — he's a four-pounder. And... 25 Q. A little yappy dog? Page 105 A. No, actually he's very docile. You'd be 2 surprised. 3 I do all kinds of stuff, honestly. I'm having 4 a brain fart right now. I love to exercise, l go to the 5 gym. If I can't go to the gym, I take walks and do 6 exercising a lot 7 Q. Okay. Medical history, any — any problems? 8 A. Nope. 9 Q. Okay. 10 A. Besides my addiction in the past. 11 Q. Okay. Any surgeries? 12 A. I've had surgery on both of my pinkies. Q. Okay. Why — why was that? A 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 27 (Pages 102 to 105) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601 3f6765cle-3693-4b9f.b50e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723657 Page 106 Page 108 3 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Q. Okay. And tonsillectomy, appendectomy or 19 anything 'Ste that? 20 A. What, like tonsils? No, I never had -- 21 Q. No other surgery? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Ever need a blood transfusion? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Any loss of consciousness? 1 Q. Any recent falls, fits, spills, seizures, 2 whirling, twirling, dizziness? Any problems with your 3 ears, ringing in your ears, hearing loss, bleeding from 4 the ears, ruptured ear drum or membrane? Any problems 5 with your eyes, blurred vision, double vision, glaucoma, 6 teary eyes, runny eyes, drippy eyes, bloody eyes? Any 7 problems with your nose, runny nose, drippy nose, nasal 8 polyps, sinus infections, deviated septums, loss of 9 smell? Any problems with your lips, gums, tongue or 10 teeth? Any trouble with your throat? Any trouble 11 swallowing, moving your neck from side to side or up or 12 down? Any problems like lymph nodes or little golf 13 balls in your neck? Any problems with reflwc or hiatal 14 hernias? Any problems with your heart, murmurs or 15 gallops, heart attacks, congestive heart failure, valve 16 problems? Any problems with your lungs, lingular 17 bronchitis, cancer, asthma? Any problems with your 18 stomach, ulcers, food intolerance? Any duodenal ulcers? 19 Any change in your bowel habits, constipation, diarrhea? 20 A. Yeah, I do have — I've suffered from that my 21 whole life. 22 Q. 23 A. 24 25 Page 107 A. No. 2 Q. Any head injuries? 3 A. No. Q. 5 A. o Q. Okay. And that's while you were at the rehab? A. Right. 8 Q. AtMat age 16? 9 A. Pearrly. 10 Q. Okay. Have you ever left any place against 11 medical advice? 12 A. No. • 13 Q. Okay. Any medicines you've been on in the 14 past? 15 A. Nope. 16 Q. Aft right. Are you currently on any 17 medications? 18 A. No, but I definitely am going to be going to 19 see a doctor soon to be prescribed some medicines. 20 Q. Okay. Any drug allergies? 21 A. Not of my knowledge, no. 22 Q. Pm just going to run a long laundry list of 23 symptoms here just for the sake of time. Stop me if any 24 of these are positive. 25 A. Okay. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 109 ow ong ago was mu A. I'd say around when I was like a Q. You didn't go to the hospital or seek medical attention for that? A. Yeah, l did go to the hospital. Q. Okay. Do you remember which hospital you went to? A. No, I'm not positive. Q. Okay. Did an ambulance take you or did you drive yourself? A. No, I went myself. Q. Okay. So bear with me. Diarrhea, constipation, bright red blood from your rectum, dark tarry stools that smell wale than usual? Any back problems? Any skeletal muscle problems in the back? Any kidney issues? Any bleeding when you urinate? Any issues with bladder infections or urinary tract infections? Any problems with female reproductive organs. painful menses -- 28 (Pages 106 to 109) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601 3f6765dc-3693-4b9f-b500-913638at0a746 EFTA00723658 Page 110 Page 112 1 A. 2 3 Q. Okay. How long ago was that? 4 A. That was on January 5th of '07. Oh, no, I'm 5 sorry, '08. 6 Q. Okay. Did you need any surgical procedure for 7 that? 8 A 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 25 blood sugar, low blood sugar? Any problems with too =id A. MI. Q. How did they — 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Q. Okay. Have you had any elective outpatient 9 surgeries or — 10 A. What do you mean? 11 Q. I mean, (can run the gambit from lame 12 removal - 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 111 OEM Q. ay. you remem er e nam o e procedure? A. Q. A. Page 113 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q. Okay. Any issues with joints, muscles, 23 ligaments, tendons? My issues with your blood, 24 including a high blood count, low blood count, high 29 (Pages 110 to 113) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601-. 1) 3167656e-3693-4b9f-b500-98638af0a746 EFTA00723659 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 3.1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Page 114 much red blood cells, not enough red blood cells, too much white blood cells, not enough white blood cells? Any problems with your adrenal pituitary thyroid gland? Anything that I haven't asked you about that you think I need to know? A Q osst y, A. Right'Yeah- t at was in t at occur A. Lib-huh. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 116 A. That happened in January. Q. Okay. So January to about June, you were feeling a little oft? A. Right. Q. What kind of symptoms were you having at that time? A. It wasn't even really about symptoms. I was — really didn't go through a depression. I was just kind of— I was very curious to know of why my body, you know, what was wrong with my body. But it's not that there is anything wrong with my body, it's just sometimes, you know... Q. Okay. So I just want to make sure I understand, I don't want to put words in your mouth. You were thinking about it, there was something off about it, but you don't think you reached the level of a diagnosis of illness? A. Right. Did ou discuss it with an one? 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 y. ow m remern timeline. Was that also around the same time that your friend with the substance use had passed away? A. No. That happened this year. Q. That happened this year? A. Uh-huh. Q. So this predates that? A. Right. Q. And you lost, again bear with me — A. Q. =at the end of 2008? A. Correct. Q. So this happened about June or January? 2 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21. 22 23 24 25 Page 117 30 (Pages 114 to 117) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Ricciuti (601a 31676tide-3693.4b9f-b50e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723660 Page 118 1 Q. That's a good point. I apologize, I forgot to 2 ask when we were talking about education, school and 3 careers and all, what would you like to do in the future 4 or you said you were getting your GED in? A. to all 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 y. A. And I would — after I achieve that, I would. like to work as A. Q. That's stressful A. I don't know. M done it, my grandmother did it her whole life, and they all seem to like it. So I've always been kind of curious. Q. Okay. And there are good things about NM work, there is shift and you can schedule, but it can be a little hectic at times. A. Stressful. Q. It sounds like a good plan. How long is thiMMprogram? A. I believe it's 6 to 12 months. Q Okay. A. It's actually not that long at all. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 120 A. I would just like to use the restroom. Can I do that? I drank this whole coffee. Q. To be honest, I am definitely okay with that A. Okay, cool. (A lunch break was taken.) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 ?25 Page 119 Q. that gets you certified as al A. Correct. Q. — so you could do A. Right. Q. --and things like that? A. Exactly. Q. And then after that, you would like to go to and — A. Uh-huh. Q. -- and becoin . Okay. Have you looked into wage and how much you're going to get paid for that? A. No. I haven't taken that step yet. I'm just wailing for the GED to arrives. Q. Which arrives tomorrow? A. Right. Q. Okay. We already talked about that You feel relatively confident that you'll do well with that? A. Definitely. Q. Good, okay. Now is probably a good time as any to kind of get into the psychiatric history some. Would you like to take a break before we do that or would you like to get into it now? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 121 CERTIFICATE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I, Jeana Ricciuti, Registered Professional Reporter, State of Florida at large, certify that I was authorized to and did stenographically report the foregoing proceedings and that the transcript is a true and complete record of my stenographic notes. Dated this 11th day of November, 2009. 31 (Pages 118 to 121) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jenne Mackie (601alln 316765dc-3693-4b9f-bege-98638afaa746 EFTA00723661