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1'4 (AUUt Page 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO.: 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, -vs- JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. VOLUME I OF II Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF JANE DOE NO. 6 Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:10 - 4:55 p.m. / 250 Australian Avenue Suite 150 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FPR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Services Job No.: 1311 EXHIB163 Origin& 4) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA01104188 Page 82 1 quote, unquote, messed up has anything to do with 2 your one-time visit to Mr. Epstein's home, do you? 3 MR. HOROWITZ: Object to the form. 4 THE WITNESS: No, I don't know why. 5 BY MR. CRITTON: 6 Q. Okay. Well, you had issues of being, 7 quote, unquote, messed up, to use your term, before 8 you ever went to Mr. Epstein's home, didn't you? 9 A. Well, I didn't start getting, start falling 10 off until I was like 14. 11 Q. Is, is -- 12 A. It's when I started getting in trouble in 13 school and started getting in trouble, period. 14 Q. Okay. Are, are you saying that prior to 15 you -- well, and let me ask that: From records I've 16 seen is you claim you were at Mr. Epstein's home on 17 the one occasion on August 8th of 2004; is that 18 correct? 19 A. Yeah. 20 Q. Yes? 21 A. August 2000 22 Q. August 8th, 2004. 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Okay. And you remember that because that 25 was the PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA01104189 Page 250 1 told me she would call me before, before we were going 2 to go. 3 Q. Okay. Well, did she say it in front of 4 anyone? Like -- 5 A. I don't know. 6 Q. -- was Jane Doe there at the time or 7 ME? 8 A. I don't think so. 9 Q. Okay. Did you say, well, what, who am I 10 going to massage? 11 A. No, I didn't ask her. 12 Q. Okay. Did she say where you were going? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Did she say anything other than do you 15 want to make $200 giving a massage? 16 A. No. She told me she would call me the night 17 before, and that's it. 18 Q. How many days passed before she called 19 you? 20 A. I don't know. I don't know. 21 Q. And I think you told me that when she 22 asked you -- well, the, the day you remember going 23 was August 8th, '04, because it was 24 , correct? 25 A. Yes, her PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia bodkins (601.051.978.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia bodkins (601.051.976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051-976-2934) 2d743178-13ad0-4083-blb6-itee22b2dbd85 EFTA01104190 Page 230 1 A. Yes, I know 2 Q. Jane Doe? 3 A. Yeah. 4 Q. .? 5 A. No. 6 Q. You don't know her, but that's the name or 7 at least the III. was what the FBI person 8 referenced? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Have you ever heard of a lady, a person 11 named a S 12 A. No. 13 Q. Jane Doe II? 14 A. No. 15 Q. Okay. You told me that you knew Jane Doe 16 and you knew her because she was a friend of 17 (phonetic)? 18 A. dkOMMOMS 19 Q. What's her name? 20 A. S 21 Q. 22 A. I think it'sIll 23 Q. IMNIIIIIININNOW 24 A. I don't know. I know it's IIIIIII,with anIl 25 and it starts with a II PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins (601-051476-2934) Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins (601451.976.2034) Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d743178-6ad0-4083-b114-ece22b2dbd65 EFTA01104191 Page 231 1 Q. Okay. 2 MR. HOROWITZ: Do you need a break now? 3 THE WITNESS: Huh? 4 MR. HOROWITZ: Are you okay? 5 THE WITNESS: Yeah, I'm going to have to 6 go pee in a little bit, but we'll be all right. 7 MR. HOROWITZ: We've been going an hour. 8 MR. CRITTON: Do you want to take a break 9 now? 10 THE WITNESS: It don't matter. We can 11 finish. 12 MR. CRITTON: Okay. Just tell me 13 THE WITNESS: Okay. 14 MR. CRITTON: -- when you need to. 15 BY MR. CRITTON: 16 Q. You, I think you told me that you'd known 17 Jane Doe through for about a year? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. And were you still in school at the time? 20 A. Yeah, maybe. 21 Q. Okay. And, and you knew Jane Doe because 22 she was in school with gela or they were friends? 23 A. No, they were friends. I don't know if they 24 were in school together. 25 Q. And what did you know about Jane Doe's PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051-976.2934) Electronically signed by cynlhia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d743178-6ad0-4083-bfb5-ece22b2dbd65 EFTA01104192 Page 239 1 Q. Okay. Did -- was she fun to be around? 2 A. Yeah. 3 Q. Did she seem to be someone who could make 4 a decision? 5 A. We'd all would make a decision together. I 6 mean, it wasn't like she would take control and be like, 7 well, we're going here and this is the only place we're 8 going. It wasn't like that. 9 Q. Okay. If, if she didn't want to do 10 something, would she speak up and say I'm not going 11 to do that? 12 A. I don't I think she would still come. 13 Q. All right. Did she, but did she seem to 14 have, did she seem to have the ability to make her 15 own decisions what she wanted to do or not to? 16 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 17 THE WITNESS: I don't, I don't know. I 18 would, I don't know how to, no, I don't know 19 how to say that. 20 BY MR. CRITTON: 21 Q. You don't know one way or the other? 22 A. Yeah, I don't. 23 Q. All you know is you got along fine with 24 her? 25 A. Yeah. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-061.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-061.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-061-976-2934) 2d743178-6ad0-4083-blb5-ece22b2dbd65 EFTA01104193 Page 240 1 Q. She was a good friend at the time during 2 that time period? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. And you were, and- as well was a 5 good friend? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Had -- well, did S/fever go to 8 Mr. Epstein's house? 9 A. I don't know. 10 Q. Did you ever ask her? 11 A. No. 12 Q. Okay. Do you know whether ever, Jane Doe 13 ever went to Mr. Epstein's house? 14 A. I don't know. 15 Q. And did you ever ask her? 16 A. I heard them talking about it like talking 17 about how she goes, and she goes somewhere to make money L8 or goes to somebody's house to clean it or something, 19 but I never asked her about it. 20 Q. All right. How, how was it that you 21 happened to go to Mr. Epstein's house? 22 A. How? 23 MR. CRITTON: In fact, this is a good 24 place to take a break. 25 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the video PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051.976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.061.976.2934) 2d7431764lad0-4083-bfb5-ocia22b2dbd65 EFTA01104194 Page 244 1 Q. Okay. Did -- and then I think you said 2 you -- there was another person you knew was 3 A. Yeah, I didn't really know her. I just seen 4 her. Sometimes say hi to her when she came over to Jane 5 Doe's. 6 Q. Did she, would she come over to Jane Doe's 7 house ate. 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Okay. Did you see her there a bunch of 10 times or, you know, three or four times, something 11 like that? 12 A. Yeah. 13 Q. Okay. 14 A. A bunch of times. 15 Q. Was she your age or older? 16 A. She was a little bit older. I think she was 17 Jane Doe's age or something. 18 Q. And how, how much older did you think Jane 19 Doe was than you? 20 A. Jane Doe was 16 or 17 or something. 21 Q. Okay. And at, and that, is that what she 22 told you or is that what you thought? 23 A. I thought she was 16 or something. 24 Q. And I think you told me that you 25 understood from just kind of listening is that Jane PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976-2934) 2d743178-6ad0-40133-bib5-ece22b2dbd65 EFTA01104195 Page 245 1 Doe said that she was making money 2 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 3 THE WITNESS: Something like that. 4 BY MR. CRITTON: 5 Q. Is that, I mean I'm just -- is that what 6 you told me? 7 A. Yes, it's what -- I heard something about her 8 going somewhere to make money. 9 Q. Okay. And did you hear she was going over 10 to Palm Beach to do that? 11 A. No. 12 Q. And who told you that? 13 A. I overheard her and talking one time. 14 Q. And did she tell you or what, from what 15 you heard did it sound like she'd been there a bunch 16 of times? 17 A. Yeah. 18 Q. And from the description when you heard 19 she and . talking about it, did it seem like it 20 was a big deal or a little deal -- 21 A. No, I just -- 22 Q. -- or just casual conversation? 23 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 24 THE WITNESS: Casual conversation. I just 25 heard them talking. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthla hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976-2934) 2d7431711-6SD-4083-bfb54ece22b2c1bd66 EFTA01104196 Page 248 1 2 A. No. 3 Q. Tell me how, how it was that you came to 4 learn about Mr. Epstein. 5 A. Jane Doe asked me if I wanted to, or 6 asked me if I wanted to come and make some money with 7 her. 8 Q. And how many times of, that is, how many 9 times had you seen . before, . raise that 10 issue with you? 11 A. She would come by, well, every -- most of the 12 time I was over there, she would stop by. 13 Q. All right. And how many times had you 14 seen her? I mean, did you know her then, now, I 15 don't mean as a close friend, but did you know her 16 well enough that she'd say hey, Jane Doe No. 6? Do 17 you go by Jane Doe No. 6, Jane Doe No. 6? 18 A. Jane Doe No. 6. 19 Q. Hey, Jane Doe No. 6, do you want to come 20 over and make some money, that kind of comment? 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. Okay. And, and again I don't want to put 23 words in your mouth. What, what did she say to you? 24 A. She asked me if I wanted to make some money 25 doing a massage. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051-976-2934) 267431784m10-4083-bfb5-ece22b2dbd66 EFTA01104197 Page 249 1 Q. Okay. And what did you say? 2 A. I told her yeah. 3 Q. Okay. And did you, had you ever given 4 anyone a massage before? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Had you ever given a massage 7 before? 8 A. No. 9 Q. Had ever given you a massage? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Had you ever had a massage? 12 A. I know what they are, but I've never gotten 13 one or given one, no. 14 Q. And when said would you like some, to 15 make some money giving a massage, and you said yes, 16 did she -- 17 A. Yeah. 18 Q. Okay. Did she tell you how much money you 19 could make? 20 A. Yeah. 21 Q. What did she say? 22 A. $200. 23 Q. And did you ask and she said -- after she 24 said that, you said yes, what did she say then? 25 A. She told me she would call me before. She PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601451476.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976.2934) 2d743178-6ad0408341b54c922b2dbd66 EFTA01104198 Page 250 1 told me she would call me before, before we were going 2 to go. 3 Q. Okay. Well, did she say it in front of 4 anyone? Like -- 5 A. I don't know. 6 Q. -- was Jane Doe there at the time or 7 8 A. I don't think so. 9 Q. Okay. Did you say, well, what, who am I 10 going to massage? 11 A. No, I didn't ask her. 12 Q. Okay. Did she say where you were going? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Did she say anything other than do you 15 want to make $200 giving a massage? 16 A. No. She told me she would call me the night 17 before, and that's it. 18 Q. How many days passed before she called 19 you? 20 A. I don't know. I don't know. 21 Q. And I think you told me that when she 22 asked you -- well, the, the day you remember going 23 was August 8th, '04, because it was 24 , correct? 25 A. Yes, her allIMIllizzantrozza PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthla hopkins (601-051-976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051-976-2934) 2d7431784ad0-4083-blbSece22b2dbc165 EFTA01104199 Page 251 1 Q. I read someplace -- had, had MEM been 2 or something? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. So she was 5 A. No. , so I don't know if 6 she had a , but I know that 7 8 Q. Was it an 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. And so did you, were you at 11 house at the time that you went with 12 A. No. 13 Q. This is when she first asked you. 14 A. No. We were at Jane Doe's house when she 15 first asked me. 16 Q. Okay. You were at Jane Doe's house when 17 she first asked you. Do you remember whether Jane 18 Doe was there at the time . asked you? 19 A. No, I don't remember. 20 Q. Okay. Did Jane Doe ever ask you if you 21 wanted to go? 22 A. No. 23 Q. When she said to you the first time, you 24 know, do you want to earn $200 giving a massage, did 25 you say I'm not interested? ••••••••.—goyeem e........••••••• PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d743171343ad0-4083-bfb6-ece22b2dbd416 EFTA01104200 Page 252 1 A. No, I told her yes. 2 Q. Okay. Well, you had never given anyone a 3 massage? 4 A. No. 5 Q. All right. So, why would you agree to go 6 give someone a massage for, for any amount of money? 7 A. I was a kid and I just wanted some money. 8 Q. Okay. Were you high at the time? May 9 have been? 10 A. Maybe. 11 Q. Okay. Did you ask'''. on that occasion 12 when she asked you, did you say, well, what, who do 13 I have to massage? 14 A. No, I didn't ask. 15 Q. Did you ask her where the massage was 16 going to take place? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Did you ask her what you had to do for the 19 massage? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Did you say what do I have to wear? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Did you ask her how are we going to get 24 there? 25 A. No. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthla hopkins (601.061-976-2934) Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins (601.051-976-2934) Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins (601-051.976.2934) 2d743178.6ad0.4083-bfb5-ece22b2dbd65 EFTA01104201 Page 253 1 Q. Did you ask her anything whatsoever about 2 what, what to expect? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Did tell you anything about what 5 to expect? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Did she tell you at least on that first 8 occasion when she asked you, did she say this is 9 where we're going? 10 A. No. 11 Q. So, she didn't tell you a place -- 12 A. No. 13 Q. -- where you were going? She didn't tell 14 you what the massage would consist of or not consist 15 of? 16 A. No. 17 Q. She didn't tell you who was going to 18 massage, be massaged? 19 A. No. 20 Q. She didn't tell you whether it was a male 21 or a female? 22 A. No. 23 Q. She didn't tell you whether it was a group 24 massage? 25 A. No, she didn't. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051-976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkIns (601-051-976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkIns (601-051.976.2934) 2d743178-6ad0-4083-bfb5-oce22b2dbd65 EFTA01104202 1 2 3 Page 251 Q. She didn't tell you what you had to wear? A. No. Q. Okay. So she calls you. Did you give her 4 your cellphone number or did she already have your 5 number? 6 A. I gave her my house number or something. 7 don't know. 8 Q. Did you have a cellphone at the time? 9 A. No. 10 Q. All right. So, you gave her your house 11 number? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Had she, had she, ., ever been to your 14 house? 15 A. ., no, I don't think so. 16 Q. And you had only seen . over at Jane 17 Doe's house? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Had . ever come over to 20 house? 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. You had seen her at house as 23 well? 24 A. Yeah, I've seen her like in the parking lot or 25 something, but like never inside. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthla hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthla hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d743178.6ad0-4083.b1b5-ece22b2dbd65 EFTA01104203 Page 256 1 Q. All right. Where -- when, whenillt. 2 called, how long did the conversation last that, 3 hey, I'm going to, do you still want to go? 4 A. Yeah, she asked me if i want to go and that 5 she would be at my house the next morning. She was 6 going to get dropped off and that's it. 7 Q. Okay. Whenill/. called, how long was the 8 call, like -- 9 A. I don't know. 10 Q. Three minutes or a minute? 11 A. I don't know. 12 Q. Well, did she just basically say, hi, this 13 is i., do you still want to go? 14 A. She asked, she asked for me. I got on the 15 phone. She was like, hey, this are you still 16 up for that and I was like, yeah. 17 Q. Okay. Did, did you ask her at that time 18 where are we going? 19 A. No. 20 Q. What are we going to do? 21 A. No, I didn't ask her. 22 Q. Did you ask her who you were going to 23 massage? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Did you ask her how you would be paid? PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-061.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.061.976.2934) 2d743176.6ad04083-bfb6-oce22b2dbd65 EFTA01104204 Page 257 1 A. No. 2 Q. Was it a check or cash? 3 A. No, I assumed cash. 4 Q. Okay. And did you ask her whether the 5 person who was going to be massaged, or people who 6 were going to massaged were male or female or both? 7 A. No. 8 Q. Did you tell I don't know how to give 9 a massage? 10 A. No. 11 Q. All right. When . was on the phone 12 other than saying would you like, do you still want 13 to go, give, you know, do you still want to go and 14 you said yes, did she say where you were going? 15 A. No. She told me she would be at my house the 36 next day. 17 Q. Okay. She didn't tell you where you were 18 going? 19 A. No. 20 Q. She didn't tell you who or how many people 21 you were going to massage? 22 A. No. 23 Q. She didn't tell you whether they were male 24 or female? 25 A. No. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (607.051.978.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2834) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051-976.2934) 2d743178-6ad0-4083-bfb5-ece22b2dbd65 EFTA01104205 Page 258 1 Q. She didn't tell you what the massage would 2 consist of? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Did you tell her that you'd never given 5 anybody a massage? 6 A. No. 7 Q. That never came up? 8 A. No. 9 Q. Okay. And I assume that there was at no 10 time any con, any conversation with regard to 11 whether or not any type of physical or sexual 12 activity would occur? 13 A. Excuse me? 14 Q. No one, never said, well, if you're 15 going to give the massage, this may occur in a 16 sexual way? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Okay. No type of sexual activity was 19 discussed whatsoever? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Either by you with . or . with you 22 at any time, correct? 23 A. No. 24 Q. That's correct? 25 A. Yes, that's correct. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (801-051-978-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d743178-6860-4083-blb5-ece22b2dbd65 EFTA01104206 Page 259 1 Q. Did III. tell you what to wear? 2 A. When she came the next day, she told me the 3 day that she came when we were going, she told me I had 4 to look older, put makeup on, and tell him I was older. 5 Q. Okay. That's when she got to your house? 6 A. That's, she told me I had to dress older, 7 yeah. 8 Q. When she came to your house? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Okay. Was anybody at your house when 11 came? 12 A. I don't -- maybe. 13 Q. Okay. So . gets dropped off at your 14 house by whom, do you know? 15 A. No, I don't know. 16 Q. She gets dropped off, what, by 9:00 did 17 you say? 18 A. I don't know. Sometime in the morning. 19 Q. Did she tell you what time you had to be 20 where you were going? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Okay. When, when she drops you off at the 23 house or when -- 24 A. She gets dropped off. 25 Q. I'm sorry, right. When . gets dropped PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-061-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051-976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976.2934) 2d743178-6ad0-4063-blb5-ece22b2dbd66 EFTA01104207 Page 264 1 A. She told me to tell him I was older in the car 2 on the way there. 3 Q. Okay. But at, at your place -- 4 A. No. 5 Q. -- as you're changing clothes and putting 6 on makeup, she just said you need to look older? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. And did you say why do I have to look 9 older? 10 A. No, I didn't ask. 11 Q. Why not? 12 A. I just didn't ask. 13 Q. Okay. Did -- and you said, earlier you 14 said I want you to look, you need to look older for 15 him? 16 A. She said I need to look older. She didn't 17 say, say specifically who or -- 18 Q. Well, the record is going to reflect but 19 you remember now that she said you just need to look 20 older? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Okay. So, you changed clothes. You put 23 on makeup and what happened next? 24 A. She -- we left and went to the front of the 25 neighborhood and she called a cab. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 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Yeah. 22 Q. So, if you knew that getting in a cab was 23 a problem and maybe something you shouldn't have 24 done, why were you getting into a cab willing to go 25 in a cab with . to go give someone a massage or PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (801.051-976.2934) 2d743178-6ad0-4083-bfb5-ece22b2dbd65 EFTA01104209 Page 269 1 A. No, I didn't say that. 2 Q. You could have though? 3 A. I could have. 4 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 5 BY MR. CRITTON: 6 Q. And so you voluntarily, at least at Jane 7 Doe's house, on the phone with ., and getting 8 ready after . came to your house and now getting 9 10 11 12 13 14 to go with 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. So, now you're riding over in the cab. 17 And did . at some point tell you where you're 18 going? 19 A. I don't remember. 20 Q. Did she tell the cab driver where to go? 21 A. I guess. She had to have. 22 Q. But did you hear her say it? 23 A. I don't remember. 24 Q. How long was the cab ride? 25 A. Like 20 minutes, 25 minutes. I don't know. in the cab, four different times and you had the opportunity to say, I'm not interested, true? A. True. Q. And each time you said, okay, I will go; that is you made a voluntary and consensual decision PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.061-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051.976.2934) 2d743176.6ad0-4063•bib5-ece22b2dbd66 EFTA01104210 Page 270 1 Q. And where did you, where did the cab 2 ultimately go? 3 A. Some house over the bridge. 4 Q. Had you been to Palm Beach before? 5 A. Not before then, no. 6 Q. Other than this one occasion have you been 7 back to Palm Beach? B A. Yes. 9 Q. For what purpose? 10 A. does, he . My 11 and his jobs that used to 12 be on Palm Beach Island. 13 Q. Okay. Where, where was it, on the north 14 end, the middle? 15 A. I don't really remember. 1.6 Q. Okay. Did you ever go back near or show 17 him where Mr. Epstein's house was at any time? 18 A. No. I don't even remember where it's at. 19 Q. When you -- so, during the 20-minute car 20 ride or cab ride that you took to Mr. Epstein's 21 house -- well, you didn't know it was Mr. Epstein 22 to where you were going. 23 Let me start again. During the 20-minute 24 cab ride that you had from , the front 25 of to where was taking you, did PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601451-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (501-061-976-2934) 2d743178.6adO-4083-bfb5-ece22b2dbd66 EFTA01104211 Page 271 1 you talk to her? 2 A. She told me I had to say I was older and 3 that's about it. I really -- I didn't talk. 4 Q. Okay. 5 A. I don't remember. 6 Q. Did she tell you how old you had to say 7 you were? 8 A. No, she never told -- 9 Q. Did she know how old you were? 10 A. Huh? Did she know? 11 Q. Did . know how old you were? 12 A. I don't know. She might have. 13 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Sir, now would probably 14 be a good time -- 15 MR. CRITTON: All right. 16 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: -- to change the tape. 17 Going off the record at 4:01. This marks the 18 end of Tape 2. 19 (A brief recess was held.) 20 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the 21 record at 4:02 . This marks the beginning 22 of Tape 3. 23 MR. HOROWITZ: Are you all right? 24 THE WITNESS: Yeah, it sucks. I've got to 25 stay up for another five hours, six hours. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051.976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.051-976-2934) 2d743178-6ad0-4083-bfb6-ece22b2ctbd65 EFTA01104212 Page 273 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. And did you say who is this guy? 3 A. No. I didn't ask her. 4 Q. You still didn't know where you were 5 going? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Didn't know what you were going to do? 8 A. No. 9 Q. Didn't know what you were going to do for 10 200 bucks? 11 A. No, I knew what I was supposed to do. 12 Q. Which is what? 13 A. What she told me, a massage. 14 Q. And what, what did she tell you the 15 massage consisted of? 16 A. She didn't tell me like details. She just 17 told me it was a message. Bless you. 18 Q. Excuse me. If you've never given a 19 massage and you've never had a massage, what did you 20 think you'd have to do for the $200? 21 A. Give him a massage. I know what a massage is 22 but I've never got one or given one. 23 Q. What did you think a massage was? 24 A. Rubbing someone's back. 25 Q. Okay. How, how did you know that was what PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 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Did you ask . during the 20-minute cab 25 ride what the massage was going to consist of? PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.061-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.061.976.2934) Electronically signed by crane hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d743176-6ad0-4063-bfb5-ete22b2dbd65 EFTA01104214 Page 275 1 A. No. 2 Q. Okay. When she told you it was a man, did 3 you ask his age? 4 A. No. 5 Q. Did you ask who was going to be present? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Did you ask whether she was going to be 8 present? 9 A. No. I just assumed she was. 10 Q. Okay. Why did you assume she was? 11 A. Because it was both of us going over there. 12 Q. Did she say she was getting paid? 13 A. No. She never told me she was getting paid or 14 how much she was getting. 15 Q. Did you ever come to learn she did get 16 paid? 17 A. I don't know. I wasn't in the room. 18 Q. That's not my question. 19 A. No, I don't know. 20 Q. So you don't know whether . Was eve - 21 paid any monies whatsoever for coming -- 22 A. Yeah, I don't know. 2"- Q. -- to the home that day? A. Yeah, I don't know. )5 Q. When . told you that it was, tell him latokaPerthoSeadaru.nealsiSe..a PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-975-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-061.976.2934) Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins (601-061.975.2934) 24743178-64d0-40834)1b6-ece22b2dbd65 EFTA01104215 Page 276 1 you're older and it was a man, did you then ask any 2 questions and say, wait a minute, who is the person, 3 what's his age, what do I have to do, where are we 4 going? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Who will be there? 7 A. No, I didn't ask any questions. 8 Q. Did you tell her at that time I've never 9 given anyone a massage, you know, I'm not going to 10 know what in the heck to do? 11 A. No. 12 Q. Did you say why am I getting $200 to give 13 a massage and I have to tell somebody I'm older? 14 A. No, I didn't ask. 15 Q. Okay. Did you think to yourself at that 16 time even though you're in the cab is, you know 17 what, this probably isn't a good idea, I think I 18 won't? 19 A. I don't remember. 20 Q. I don't want to get involved? 21 A. I don't remember what I was thinking, no. 22 Q. Well, you, you could, you realized at any 23 point until basically you started giving a massage, 24 you could have said, sorry, this isn't for me, I 25 want to go home, right? PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopicins (601-051-976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hosed= (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051.976.2934) 2a43178-68amammeseoenucitom EFTA01104216 Page 280 1 THE WITNESS: I was scared out of my mind 2 once I left, so, no, I didn't ask her anything. 3 BY MR. CRITTON: 4 Q. You could have though, couldn't you? 5 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 6 THE WITNESS: I couldn't barely speak. 7 BY MR. CRITTON: 8 Q. We'll get, we'll get to that in a minute. 9 Now, so you get, you get to the house, right, or the 10 cab drops you off? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Okay. Describe the house for me. 13 A. Big house. We walked to the side, the door. 14 Q. Okay. Go through the side. Did you knock 15 or was it door open? 16 A. No, she walked in. 17 Q. The door was open? 18 A. I don't know. She walked in. The door wasn't 19 wide open. She just walked in. 20 Q. She, she meaning opened the door? 21 A. Yeah, opened the door and walked in. 22 Q. Okay. And was anyone there? 23 A. I don't remember. 24 Q. And when you opened the door, the two of 25 you went in and what happened next? PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkIns (601451.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051.976-2934) 2d7431784ad0-4083-bfb54(ce22b2dbd65 EFTA01104217 Page 308 1 A. Because I couldn't speak. I just couldn't say 2 anything. I just didn't know what to say. 3 Q. Did she try to talk to you? 4 A. No. 5 Q. Didlill. say, did you have any problems or 6 was it okay or -- 7 A. No, no. 8 Q. Did she say how are you doing or anything? 9 A. No. 10 Q. So, you and . walk from Mr. Epstein's 11 house to CityPlace and neither one of you said one 12 word? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Is that correct? 15 MR. HOROWITZ: Object to the form. 16 THE WITNESS: That's correct. 17 BY MR. CRITTON: 18 Q. Where did you go in CityPlace? 19 A. To some sub-shop or something. 20 Q. And did you get a sandwich? 21 A. No, I just -- she did. She got something, and 22 I just sat there. 23 Q. How long were you in CityPlace? 24 A. I don't know. She made -- it was long enough 25 for her to make a phone call to and us, for us • PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 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Did he ever coerce you in any way -- 25 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Eiectronlcally signed by cynthia hooking (601.061.976.2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronlcalty signed by cynthia hopkins (601-061.976.2934) 2d743178-6adD-4083-bibti-ece22b2dbd66 EFTA01104220 Page 7 1 A. That's fine. 2 Q. And if you've proceeded to answer a 3 question, I will assume that you've understood it 4 and answered it truthfully. Fair? 5 A. Fair. 6 Q. All right. Could you give me your date of 7 birth, please. 8 A. 9 Q. Which makes you right now you're -- 10 A. Nineteen. 11 Q. Nineteen. All right. And are you married 12 at the current time, ma'am? 13 A. 14 Q. 15 A. 16 Q. 17 18 Q. 19 A. 20 Q. U 22 A. 23 Q. 24 A. 25 Q. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA01104221