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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO. 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, vs- JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092, DEPOSITION OF JANE DOE $17 - VOLUME III (videotaped) Monday, March 15, 2010 10:02 - 6:49 p.m. 250 Australian Avenue South Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Rachel W. Bridge, RMR, CRR Notary Public, State of Florida (561) 832-75CC PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge 1201.272-617.4627) folb2074.4669-434d-ac93-054696fd7921 EFTA01107876 EFTA01107877 Page 299 Page APPEARANCES: On behalf of the Plaintiffs in related cases Nos. 08-80069, 08-80119, 08-80232, 08-80380, 0840381, os-so993, 08-86994: ADAM D. HOROWITZ, ESQUIRE MERMELSTEIN & HOROWITZ, PA. 18205 Biscayne Boulevard Suite 2218 6 Min4,040. 7 8 On behalf of the Defendant Jeffrey Epstein: 9 ROBERT D. CRITTON, JR., ESQUIRE BURMAN, CRITION, LUTHER & COLEMAN 10 303 Banyan Boulevard Suite 400 11 West P 33401 Teleph 12 13 14 Also Present: Socha Quimby, videographer 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PROCEEDINGS THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the record at 4:08 pm. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Jane Doe 7, in your supplemental answers to interrogatories, you listed the names and addresses and phone numbers, number 18, and I don't know whether I used that as an exhibit — this will be Exhibit 9. (The document was matted Defendant's Exhibit 9 for identification.) BY MR. CRITTON: Q. There area couple of supplements you filed which as things come to you, I think, or your attorneys. Anyhow, this one deals with males that you had sexual activity. You listed Mr. Evans, Bryant — MR. HOROWITZ: You handed us two different things. This is a request to produce. MR. CRTITON: Oh, Tin sorry. MR. HOROWITZ: No problem. MR. CRT TON: Give this back. This will be number nine. (Discussion held off the record.) BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Is that the right one that has Mr. Evans? 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 300 - - - INDEX WITNESS: DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS Jane Doe #7 By Mr. Critton 5 EXHIBITS EXHIBIT PAGE Defendant's 1 233 Defendant's2 233 Defendant's 3 233 Defendant's 4 263 Defendant's 5 268 Defendant's 6 274 Defendant's 7 280 DePeadant'S 8 294 Defendant's 9 301 Page 302 1 There is a person listed as Bryant. Who is he? 2 A. He a friend from Orlando. 1 kind of dated 3 him. 4 Q. And so of the five individuals you have here, 5 Mr. Evans, Bryant, Mackenzie Russell, PJ Tao and Blake 6 Russell, are the only individuals with whom you have had 7 any type of sexual activity since the time you were ten 8 years old? 9 A. Yeah, other than like kissing. I don't 10 remember everybody I kissed and stuff like that. 11 Q. All right. 1 want to go back to a couple of 12 areas to make sure I got all the information on it. 13 At the time that you met with the officers 14 from Palm Beach, you said, do you remember one of them 15 being a person named Recarey, R-e-c-a-r-e-y, 16 Officer Recarey7 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. I think you said there were two males. Do you 19 remember who the other male was? 20 A. I think his name was Joe something. 21 Q. Joe something, all right. And, Mr. Recarey's 22 first name, Detective Recarey's first name is Joe 23 Recarey. 24 A. Oh, sorry. 25 Q. Do you remember what the other person looked '(561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, 2 (Pages 299 to 302) INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) le3b2074.4669-4a4doe93-8546961d7921 EFTA01107878 Page 303 Page 305 1 like? Not Mr. Recarey, but the other one. 2 A. He was like just an older man. He was kind of 3 bigger, gray hair, I think. 4 Q. All right. And in terms of that individual, 5 did he say anything or was it Officer Recarey who 6 conducted the interview with you? 7 A. I think it was Officer Recarey mostly. 8 Q. Did you eves have any subsequent contact with 9 him? Did you ever talk to him after the interview on 10 October 4th of 2005? 11 A. I don't think so. I don't remember. 12 Q. When he talked to you, that is, when he 13 introduced himself to you, did he explain to you how he 14 found you, that is, how he knew that you may have had 15 some involvement with Mr. Epstein? 16 A. I think it was somebody told him. 17 Q. Did he tell you who the somebody was? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Did he tell you when you met with him, and 20 again before he started the tape of the statement, did 21 he tell you that, that he had interviewed a number of 22 other females? 23 A. I don't remember if he told me that or not. 24 Q. Did he tell you, you know, tell us everything 25 because we've heard stories from other people, so we 1 car? 2 A. Yeah, I think so. 3 Q. So they actually showed you, was it a color 4 picture or black and white picture? 5 A. .Black and white. 6 Q. So they actually had a picture of what, the 7 rear of your car that had the license plate number? 8 A. I'm almost positive. 9 Q. So when they showed you the picture of your 10 car, and you had said that earlier in your testimony, 11 you recognized right away as they knew that you had been 12 there? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. All right Did you ask him how old the 15 picture was? 16 A. No, I didn't. 17 Q. And they just said that they had had him under 18 some surveillance fora period of time? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Did they show you more than one picture of 21 your car so that, that suggested that they had taken a 22 picture of your car on a number of occasions? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Did they tell you whether they knew any other 25 people who had been to his house? That is, did they use Page 304 1 have an idea of what may have occurred at Mr. Epstein's 2 house? 3 A. Like front the very beginning of me going? 4 Q. No, no, no. When you first met with him after 5 you sent Mom back into the house, did Officer Recarey 6 say to you "Hey, lane Doe 7, you can tell us what went 7 on because we've heard stories from other people, so 8 tell us everything that happened"? That is, did he try to make you comfortable so 10 you would talk to him? 11 MIt HOROWITZ: Form 12 THE WITNESS: I don't exactly remember what he 13 said, but basically he showed me the picture of my 14 car or my license plate or something. He said that 15 they have been like watching Jeffrey and they know 16 I've been there because they saw my car there. 17 BY MR. CRITTON: 18 Q. Okay. Did they tell you how long they had 19 been watching Jeffrey? 20 A. No, I don't think so. 21 Q. Did you get the impression that over the last 22 few months they had been watching him? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Okay. And so the picture they had, did they 25 have an actual picture of your license plate on your 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 306 any names? A. I think they j ust said other girls in my high school. Q. And the only name you gave them was Jane Doe 4? A. AndM Q. IMI:tid you give t hem too? A. And S.V., yes. Q. Did they show you any other photographs of either his house, any other cars, any other vehicles, or was it just yours? A. I think tlisiright have -- yeah, they showed me a picture of = and they asked ra tify the girl in the picture, and I identified her Q. Did you ever Imw what last name was? A. It began with al, something. Q. Did she ever introduce herself to you? A. Yes. Asil=, or did she just say my name is A. I don't remember. Q. Was she nice to you? A. Yes. Q. Friendly? A. Yes. ata....Gittet•a•45,40 , (561) 832-7500 3 (Pages 303 to 306 PROSE COURT. REPORTING. AGENCY; INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-6174627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) fe3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-054696fd7921 EFTA01107879 Page 307 1 Q. How old did you thinavms? 2 A. She looked about in her nu twenties. 3 Q. All right. And did you tell them that? Did 4 they ask you about her at all? 5 A. Yes. I think they just asked if I recognized 6 her and just asked what I saw her doing there and stuff 7 like that. 8 Q. And I think you said earlier that. called 9 you during the time, either just before or urmg the 10 time you were being interviewed by the police? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. And did you take her call? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Did you call her back? 15 A. No. I just listened to her voicemail. 16 Q. What did — did you play the voicemail for the 17 police? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Okay. And did they record it? 20 A. I think so, yes. 21 Q. What did the voicemail say, to the best of 22 your knowledge or recollection? 23 A. Just that "Hi, Jane Doe 7, this is M." I 24 think she just asked if there was cops at my house and 25 if I was talking to them. And she said for me to call Page 309 1 he suggest things, like we know this, we know that? 2 Like your car, we know you were there because here's a 3 picture of your car and your license plate. Isn't that 4 your car and license plate? 5 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 6 THE WITNESS: The only thing he suggested is 7 he just kind of knew I was there, so — 8 BY MR. CRITTON: 9 Q. Did he ever tell you what some of the other 10 females had said had occurred at Mr. Epstein's house? 11 A. I don't remember exactly what he said to me. 12 Q. Did they ever tell you that some of the other 13 females were saying that Mr. Epstein did X or Y with 14 them? X or Y could be anything, but did he say well, we 15 know Female ABC did such and such, or at least she says 16 she did such and such with Mr. Epstein or he did such 17 and such with her? 18 Did he suggest that? 19 A. I don't remember. 20 Q. Did they ever say and I think they asked 21 you, because I asked you earlier and you had told them 22 that at least in the visit that you had under oath with 23 them is that you had, he had not masturbated when you 24 were there, correct? 25 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. Page 308 1 her back. 2 Q. But you never did? 3 A. No. They told me not to. 4 Q. They being the police? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Did they tell you anything else to do or not 7 to do? 8 A. Just not really to talk about it with anybody. 9 Q. Did they tell you not to tell your parents? 10 A. No, they never said that. 11 Q. Did they tell you that if somebody called you 12 on behalf of Mr. Epstein not to talk to them? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Did they mention at that time anything about 15 the US attorney or the FBI? 16 A. No. 17 Q. Did anyone else, did either Officer Recarey or 18 anyone else from Palm Beach ever try to recontact you 19 for a followup interview or to clarify something? 20 A. No. 21 Q. And I think you told me earlier they never 22 sent you anything? 23 A. No. 24 Q. When Officer Recarey was talking to you, did 25 he — and i don't mean this in a negative way, but did Page 310 1 BY MR. CRITTON: 2 Q. mars what you told them that day? 3 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 4 THE WITNESS: I believe so. 5 BY MR. CRITION: 6 Q. And did they say "Well, other females had said 7 that Mr. Epstein masturbated, did he do that when you 8 were there?" 9 Did they suggest things like that in askinr 10 questions? 11 A. !thinks*, yes. 12 Q. Okay. And did he reassert to you, did he tell :3 you at any time "You can tell us anything, you are not going to get in any trouble"? 15 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 16 THE WITNESS: I don't remember if he said that 17 or not. 18 BY MR. CRITTON: 19 Q. Well, did he ever say to you if in fact you 20 received money for having taken people to Mr. Epstein's, 21 you could be charged with a crime under Florida law? 22 Did he tell you that? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Okay. Did he ever read you your Miranda 25 rights? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING. AGENCY, 4 (Pages 307 to 310 INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.2724174827) Electronically signod by Rachel Bridge (201.2724174627) fc3b2074.4669-4a4d-ac93-e54696td7921 EFTA01107880 Page 311 Page 313 1 A. No. 2 Q. Were you concerned that you might be charged 3 with a crime? 4 A. Yes. Q. Because you thought you had committed a crime? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: I just thought I was going to 8 get in trouble for going there. 9 BY MR. CRITTON: 10 Q. Dkly also said that 11 called you eras you described. 12 Did you know who she was before she called 13 you? 14 A. No. 15 Q. She just called you out of the blue one day? 16 A. I think she called me and — actually, I think 17 Agent Nezbit from the FBI might have told me something 18 that she, she was the attorney general maybe, I think 19 I don't 20 Q. Nezbit is the female FBI agent, correct? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. And then when she came to (bland° to meet with 23 you and you met at Starbuck's, she had a male agent with 24 her as well? 25 A. Yes. 1 THE WITNESS: I think so. 2 BY MR. CRITTON: 3 Q. Did she have the statement that you had given 4 to the Palm Beach police? 5 A. I think so, yes. 6 Q Did she ask you about the statement? That is, 7 did she quiz you from the statement? 8 Did it sound like she had a transcript of your 9 statement so she was asking you questions, did this 10 happen, did that happen? 11 A. Yeah, she basically asked me if what I told 12 the Palm Beach police was true. She said that she knew, 13 you know, a lot of girls did a lot more things with 14 them, what I have said, and she basically knew, you 15 know, I felt that she knew a lot more. 16 So 1 just told her the truth, that 1 lied to 17 them and that I finally, you know, broke down and told 18 her everything that happened. 19 Q. And did she encourage you to do that? I mean 20 did she tell you "A lot of other girls have come forward 21 and said XY, that XYZ happened at Mr. Epstein's, so 22 please tell us everything"? 23 MB. HOROWITZ: Form. 24 THE WITNESS: Well, she kind of acted like she 25 already knew and she knew a lot more went on than Page 312 1 Q. And I think you said you spent an hour and a 2 half, two hours with them? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. And you recall that they took a taped 5 statement from you? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Much like FBI did — Pm sorry, much like the 8 Palm Beach police did? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Did they talk to you fora period of time 11 before they turned on their tape recorder? 12 A. I don't remember. 13 Q. You just remember them taking a taped 14 statement? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Okay. Did they also take notes? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. And who was taking the notes, the male or the 19 FBI Agent Nezbit? 20 A. The male was. 21. Q. And was the Agent Nezbit, was she, did she 22. !mow that you had let me strike that. 23 Did she have the benefit of any information 24 from Palm Beach? 25 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. Page 314 1 what I told the officers in Palm Beach. 2 BY MR. CR1TTON: 3 Q. And whether she did or not, you don't blow, 4 that's how she played it, so to speak? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. All right. Did, after the hour or two that 7 you spent with Agent Nezbit, was she someone who — did 8 you get emotional with Agent Nezbit? 9 A. Yeah, I mean I felt like i could like open up 10 to her more than I could guys, you know. 11 Q. Did she give you a hug when you left? 12 A. No. 13 Q. Shake hands? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Was she warm, comforting? 16 A. Yeah, she was nice. 17 Q. And did she give you her card and say "Jane 18 Doe 7, If you ever have any issues associated with this, 19 you can call me any time at this number"? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. All right. And did you ever call her? 22 A. Yes, I called her a couple of times. 23 Q. For what? 24 A. Just called her to ask what was going on with 25 the case and if she heard any news and things like that. (561) 832-7500 5 (Pages 311 to 314) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617-4627) fo3b2074-4669-4a4thac93 05469610921 EFTA01107881 Page 315 1 Q. Did you ever call her back to get the name of 2 an attorney? 3 A. No. 4 Q. And I think you told me she said if you ever 5 need the name of an attorney, she could give you one, 6 but you would have to call her? 7 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: I think Marie was the one that 9 said about the attorney stuff. 10 BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Okay, when she called you, when she, meaning 12 Marie,calkdyaa 13 A. (Witness nods head up and down.) 14 Q. Did Officer Nezbit ever call you independently 15 of you calling her? 16 A. About what? 17 Q. Whatever. 18 A. No. 19 Q. You said you called her on two occasions to 20 find out status. 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. Okay. And I think you told me you don't know 23 when you first talked to her. 24 A. She called me again to ask me if there were 25 any details that I left out or anything like that Just Page 317 1 A. Maybe a month maybe. 2 Q. Did they arrange that before they came back up 3 or did they call you out of the blue? 4 A. Well, no, they arranged it to come back up. 5 Q. Why did they tell you they needed to see you 6 again? 7 A. They just wanted to make sure everything was 8 correct and go over everything with me again. 9 Q. Did they have like a statement that they were 10 now reading ftom? 11 Did they have an outline that they were 12 reading from when they came to meet with you on the 13 second occasion? 14 A. I don't remember. 15 Q. How long did that meeting last? 16 A. I think about an hour. 17 Q. And It was just the two of them? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Did they record you at that occasion again? 20 A. I think so, yes. 21 Q. So on both occasions that the FBI met with 22 you, you recall them taking a recorded statement from 23 you? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Or recording the session, correct? t Page 316 1 basically asked me if I remembered anything. She called 2 me about that. 3 Q. All right. And you told her what? 4 Did you add any details? 5 A. I don't remember. 6 Q. That's when she called you? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. Okay. And then, and that's the only time she 9 ever called you after the first interview? 10 A. Well, no, they came back up to Orlando. 11 Q. A second time? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Oh, I didn't know that. All right, they came 14 back a second time. Meet at Starbucks again? 15 A. No, we met at the Radisson. 16 Q. All right. Were they staying there? 17 A. I think, yeah. Well, I don't know if they 18 were staying there or not actually. 19 Q. Where did you meet, in the restaurant? 20 A. No, we met like in a conference center. 21 Q. Who was t ere other than you? 22 A. The same two people, just me and her and the 23 same guy. 24 Q. How much time transpired between the first 25 visit and the second visit? Page 318 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And on the second occasion did you provide 3 them any additional information? 4 A. I don't remember. 5 Q. Did they provide you any additional 6 information, such u we've talked to a number of other 7 females and they have told us X, Y and Z, did this 8 happen? Did that happen? 9 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 10 THE WITNESS: I think they, yeah, they just, I 11 think they, yeah, said something like that, yeah. 12 BY MR. CRITTON: 13 Q. So they gave you some more at least 14 information. Again, you don't know whether it's true or 15 not, but they said "Well, we found out this or we found 16 out that. Did that happen to your 17 Did they ask questions like that? 18 A. I believe so. 19 Q. All right. Did they, after that second 20 occasion, did they ever recontact you? 21 A. Agent Nezbit did, just, she would call me and 22 fill me in on what was going on. 23 Q. How many more times did Agent Nezbit call? 24 A. I think once or twice after that. She didn't 25 call me a lot. 6 (Pages 315 to 318) (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Sectronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272417-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.817.4627) fo3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-05469431d7921 EFTA01107882 !age 319 1 Q. Did she ever ask you what your feelings were 2 about any criminal prosecutions directed to Mr. Epstein? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Pardon? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Did you know who -- andIn asked you 7 et me just clarify it. Before 8 called you, did know who she was? 9 A. I want to say I don't remember. I think Agent 10 Nezbit might have said something about her to me. And 11 then she just called and -- 12 Qi.th:iiitifishat she said, she, Nezbil 13 said 14 A. No. It was towards the end of everything, and 15 I think she just updated me on everything that was going 16 at. Might have told me like who she was. 17 Q. And at the time, so if — and !know that, I 18 think you said that at the time that you spoke with Jane 19 Doe 4 in the summer of '08, you did not have an 20 attorney, a your recollection was you didn't think you 21 had an attorney at that time. You may have spoken with 22 Mr. Herman tut you may not have had an attorney. 23 Son= would have had to have spoken with 24 you sometime before Jane Doe 4 came to stay with you in 25 the suntmer of '08; is that your best recollection? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 • 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 321 questions. Q. And you said a lawyer to protect yourself. Protect yourself from what? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. BY MR. CRHITON: Q. What did she tell you? A. I don't, I don't know what she was referring to. Q. Okay. Did she tell you you might have a civil claim or you would have a civil claim against Mr. Epstein? A. No. Q. Did she tell you the deal that the government had worked out or was attempting to work out would provide a civil remedy for individuals who had gone to Mr. Epstein, females who had gone to Mr. Epstein's house? A. No. Q. Do you ever remember receiving a letter from her that said you may have a civil remedy that you can pursue under a specific federal statute? A. I think I received a letter, but I don't remember what it said. It might have said something like that. Q. Do you ever remember receiving a letter from Page 320 A. Yes. Q. Do you remember how many months before Jane Doe 4 came there that you would have spoken wit A. Probably I think a while. Probably like, I don't know, six months. 7 Q. All right. And you only spoke with her on 8 that one occasion? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Did she ever tell you elf you ever have any 11 questions, you can call me? 12 A. Yeah, she gave me a number to call. 13 Q. Did you ever follow up and try to call her for 14 any reason? 15 A. No. 16 Q. When she filled you in on what was going on, 17 what exactly did she say to you? 18 A. She just told me about the criminal case. I 19 forget exactly what she said. 20 And then she just explained all the like legal 21 terms and what was going on. She said, you know, "Other 22 people am getting lawyers, if you want to protect 23 yourself, you know, you could get a lawyer too" 24 But she didn't give me any names or numbers, 25 but she did give me a number to call if I had any more Page 322 1 Robert Josefsberg from Podhurst Orseck saying he was the 2 attorney representative who had been appointed to 3 represent individuals who the government had deemed to 4 have been, quote, unquote, victims? 5 A. No, I never got a letter from Mm. 6 Q. Did you ever hear from any other government 7 agent, government agent for the United States government 8 who purported to work for thegovernment other than the 9 two FBI agents an 10 A. No, I don't think so. 11 Q. Did you ever hear from anyone else associated 12 with any other police department other than 13 Officer Recarey and whoever the other Palm Beach police 14 officer was? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Did your dad know any of the officers. having 17 been associated with the Town of Palm Beach or employed 18 by the Town of Palm Beach? 19 A. No. 20 Q. Did he ever see anyone in the Town of Palm 21 Beach about this situation, to your knowledge? That is, 22 did he ever go talk to the mayor or the chief-of-police 23 about you and Mr. Epstein? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Other than the time that you told your mom and 14.....•••••44 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, 7 (Pages 319 to 322) INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272.617.4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) fab20744604•44•03464N6fdril21 EFTA01107883 1 2 3 4 S 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 323 your dad, you disclosed to them, that is the day that Officer Recarey was there, October 4 of 2005, has your mom ever discussed it with you? Not necessarily the details, but how she feels about it. A. I mean she's read the newspapers and obviously she doesn't like him, but I mine she actually didn't want me to go ahead with the lawsuit. Q. She didn't? A. No. Q. Why not? MR. HOROWITZ Form. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. What did she tell you? A. She thought it would bring more stress and anxiety on me. Q. Has it? A. I mean, of course, hearing everything, hearing his name brings anxiety and I get depressed and sad over it, yeah. Q. Over the lawsuit? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: Not just over the lawsuit, but hearing his name, it brings back memories. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. How about your dad, how did he feel about the Page 325 1 County to work? 2 A. No. They just said wherever I get a job at. 3 Q. Okay. In terms of your parents, are you 4 closer, like if you had a personal problem or an issue, 5 would you more likely call your mom or your dad? 6 A. I mean either one really. I'm not more close 7 to either of them. Q. Both would be supportive of you, both 9 emotionally and as well financially if they thought that 10 it was necessaty? 11 MR. HOROWITZ Form. 12 THE WITNESS: Yes. 13 BY MR. CRITTON: 14 Q. And that's always been true with you and your 15 family and your mom and your dad? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Okay. If you had a friend or friends that you 18 were going to tum to now that you needed help or 19 assistance in some fashion, you didn't want to tell your 20 mom or your dad, would Jane Doe 4 be one of the people 21 you would go to? 22 A. Yes, 23 Q. Who else? Who else would you consider would 24 be a good friend that you would go to? 25 . A. Jane Doe 4 or Jane Doe 3 really. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 324 lawsuit? Did he ever express any opinion? A. My dad just basically said it was up to me to do what I wanted to do. Q. Has your room ever said to you that she's angry with you for ever having gone there? A. I mean no. She was upset about it, and at first she like asked me how I could have been so stupid and why I would have went there. But I mean she understands that I was young and confiised at the time, so-- Q. Did your dad ever ask you? A. No. My dad didn't really talk about it. Q. Are you closer to your mom or your dad? You love them both, right? A. Yeah. Q. And they both love you? A. (Witness nods head up and down.) Q. Supportive of you? A. Yes. Q. And they are supportive of you getting a career, certainly a job? A. Yes. Q. Every parent wants their child to get a job, that's good. Do they want you to come back to Palm Beach Page 326 1 Q. I'm sorry? 2 A. Jane Doe 4 or Jane Doe 3. 3 Q. Jane Doe 3? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Looking briefly at your work history, looks 6 lila, you worked irt,IFIrm i. t ottra to Orlando you 7 worked at 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. And you were a cart girl? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. All right. So you drove around on the golf 12 course? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. For refreshments and food for guys? Guys and 15 gals, whoever was playing golf? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. All right. And then you worked — and that 18 was in '07, and is the only job that you have had since 19 then, although I think you said you are working 20 someplace now. I'll get 21 Then you worked ball. in 2008, the whole 22 year? 23 A. Yeah, about a year. I don't know actually 24 have that. 25 Q. So you went £roil 110•••••050i..../ 8 (Pages 323 to 326) (561) 832-7500 • PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) fe3b2074-4669.4e4d-ac93-o54696fd7921 EFTA01107884 Page 327 1 MR. HOROWITZ: Do you want to show her that? 2 MR. CRITTON: That was in Exhibit 2. She 3 should have it right in front of her. 4 MR. HOROWITZ: That was like eight exhibits 5 aga 6 MR. CRITTON: I can help you. Maybe you need 7 an assistant to help you sort through the exhibits. 8 BY MR. CRITTON: 9 say you worked 10 at 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. In 2007. That was the only job you had in 13 2007, correct? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Okay. And then 2008 was part of 16 your — I think you told us earlier it w pan toyour 17 work experience through school? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Okay. And you worked them for all of 2008? 20 A. Yes 21 Q. Did you work anyplace else in 2008? 22 A. 2008, no,1 don't believe so. 23 Q. way, were you with hum Doe 4 when she 24 w v up in Orlando and she went P 25 and tried OM as a stripper? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 329 Q. does what? A. They are liquor too. Q. But they are two different entities? A. Yes. One is just like a modeling agency. Well, its just like an agency where they have girls that they hire to like the liquor company, and that's out of Tampa, but they have jobs in jobs in Orlando that I do. I have driven to Tampa before. Q So you will go to Tampa to do this work too? A. Yes, sometimes. Q. How much do you get paid for doing that? A. $25 an hour. Q. 25 bucks an hour? A. Uh huh. Q. All you have to do is go to a bar, look pretty, have a cute outfit on, and hand out liquor? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. 'filets basically it, isn't it? MR. HOROWITZ: You are jealous. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. This is not professional work. I couldn't do it. I wouldn't look good in a skirt. But in essence, they give you 25 bucks an I Page 328 1 A. No. 2 Q. Are you aware of the circumstances of her 3 doing it? 4 A. I learned about it. 5 Q Who did you hear about it from? 6 A. Jane Doe 4 told me. 7 Q. What did she say about it? 8 Nothing really. She just said she went to 9 work and it was her birthday and they were just 10 n of joking around. 11 Q. Did she tell you she got up on the stage and 12 danced for a while and made some money? 13 A. She didn't tell me she made money. She just 14 said she did it as a joke. 15 Q. And now where are you currently working again? 16 Tell me a in. 17 A. 18 19 that, Q. That's what? Is is that all the same company? 20 21 m i l They are two differen is separate. And then 22 same co n . 23 Q. are the liquor people, 24 right? 25 A. Yes. are the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 330 hour, and bow long is the gig usually? . A. It depends. Sometimes ifs like four bars we go to, sometimes ifs two. Sometimes it's five bars. Q. So it might be six to ten hours? A. Its neva ten hours, but ifs usually from lace three to five hours. Q. All right. Do they pay in cash? A. No, I get a paycheck. Q. So you get a 1099? A. Yes. you work or f during About during the course o a mon A. About e twice a week maybe, so — Q. Is it almost exclusively in Orlando? You said you have been to Tampa. A. Yes. Q. Have you been to any other cities other than Tampa? A. No. Q. If you have to go to Tampa, do they put you up overnight? A. No. Q. How long have you been doing this twice a week? A. I meanIdon't always do it twice a week. I (561) 832-7500 9 (Pages 327 to 330) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272-617.4627) fe3b2074-4669.4a4d-ac93-e546961d7921 EFTA01107885 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 331 started picking up more shifts now that I only have three classes. Last semester I was taking six classes, sol didn't really have time to do that much. Q. Now you do it approximately two times a week? A. Yeah, I try to pick up as many shifts as I can. Q. And they just go to different ban in Orlando? A. Not just bars. Restaurants too. Do you have my Advil at all? MR. CRITPON: Let's go off the record. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record, 4:21 p.m. (A recess was taken.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the record at 4:48 p.m BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Ma'am, have you ever been treated in a drug or an alcohol program? A. No. Q. Have you ever had an HIV test? A. No. Q. To the best of your knowledge, you are not HIV positive? A. No. Q. All right. Have you ever had any surgery of 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 333 A. No. Q. Jane Doe? A. No. Q. Jane Doe 6? A. No. Q. Jane Doe 2? A. No. Q. L.L.? A. No. Q. K.H.? A. Yes. Q. How do you know K.H.? A. She goes to my school, or went to my school, high school. Q. How about Jane Doe 101? A. Sounds kind of familiar. Q. But you can't place her? A. I./ uh. MR. HOROWITZ: No? THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. carrroN: Q. How about L.P, does that mean anything to you? A. No. Q. Is K.H. your age or older? Page 332 1 any kind? 2 A. Just wisdom teeth. 3 Q. I'm sorry, have you ever bad any cosmetic 4 5 A. No. 6 Q. Have you ever been pregnant? 7 A. No. 8 Q. Jane Doe 3, how long have you known her? 9 A. Since i was a sophomore in high school. 10 Q. So that would have been the '03 time period? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. And was Jane Doe 3 your age? 13 A. She was a year younger than me. 14 Q. How did you all become friends? 15 A. I believe Jane Doe 4 knew her and her sister. 16 Q. Jane Doe 4? 17 A. Jane Doe 4. 18 Q. Does she go by Jane Doe 4? 19 A. I mean no. T call her Jane Doe 4. 20 Q. Okay. It might have been my heating. So she 21 was a friend of Jane Doe 4's? 22 A. (Witness nods head up and down.) 23 Q. Have you ever met anybody by the name WM? 24 25 10.1calb:GSPAI t. A. of sounds familiar. surgery? Page 334 1 A. She's a year older than me. 2 Q. Who was she friends with? Let me rephrase the 3 question. 4 Was she friends with any of your friends, your 5 group? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Who? 8 A. Jane Doe 4 and Jane Doe 3. 9 Q. Do you know whethe= ever went to 10 Mr. Epstein's home? S t° 11 A. Well Id me I think she went there. 12 Q. This 13 A. Yes, she is also friends witi= too. 14 Q. I'm sorry? 15 A. She is also friends with., good friends. 1 6 Q. Were you aware, 'think you told me earlier, 17 and I may have forgotten, you told me you were aware 18 back at the time when you ing to Mr. Epstein's or 19 around that time period thaarhad been there to 20 Epstein's as well? 21 A. Yes. 22 And she told you on or about that time that 23 had been there? 24 A. No, I didn't ford out abotiM. until -- 25 Q. When did you find that out? (561) 832-7500 10 (Pages 331 to 334) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272-617-4627) te3b2074-4669-4a4d.ac93-e54696fd7921 EFTA01107886 Page 335 A. When I wiling =when I told you 2 recently I talked a about it. 3 Q. Did she say anything aboulM., whether she 4 had brought any kind of action against Mr. Epstein or intended to bring any action against him? o A. Yeah, I think she said she had a lawyer, but she didn't really go into detail. Q. Did she know what had happened, whether the 9 lawyer had filed a lawsuit or not? 10 A. No. 11 Q. So at least back at the time you lava, 12 but you didn't, you had no knowledge that she had been 13 to Mr. Epstein's house? 14 A. No, we weren't good friends. I just know of 15 her because she was friends with my friends. 16 Q. Of the people that you knew who went to 17 Mr. Epstein's house back in the time peril. 18 were there, it would have been Jane Doe 3 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. You are pretty sure..? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Jane Doe 4? 23 24 Q. 25 A. Yes. Page 337 1 A. We didn't really talk about it. The only 2 girls I talked about it with would be Jane Doe 4 and 3 Jane Doe 3. 4 Q. Okay. That's what my uestion is. Did any of 5 those individua Jane Doe 3 Doe , Jane 6 , ever say to you that anything that 7 had occurred, at the time that anything that had 8 occurred was inappropriate? 9 A. I mean I didn't talk about it with diem. 10 Q. So nobody brought it up and said "You won't 11 believe what happened"? Nobody said something like to 12 you? 13 A. No, they all kind of kept it to themselves I 14 think because they were embarrassed. 15. Q. So no one said did anyone ever tell you 16 that Mr. Epstein had been in any way aggressive with 17 them, had used any kind of physical or verbal force or 18 had coerced them to do anything, or that issue never was 19 discussed back then? 20 A. We just didn't discuss it. 21 Q. But no one raised it? If something had 22 happened and somebody had discussed it, that's something 23 that you would have remembered? 24 A. Yes, l don't know. 25 Q. With regard to Jane Doe 3, you said you knew Page 336 1 Q. 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Anyone else have I missed? 4 A. I don't think so. S Q. okay. As to arm. A. I heard of a girall. but I didn't know her. 7 Q. Do you leumnbe last name? 8 A. No. 9 Q. If I said would that mean anything 10 to you? 11 A. I don't know if that was her last name or not. 12 Q. Just somebody name= Do you remember 13 what she looked like? 14 A. Blonde hair. 15 Q. Older? 16 A. I think she was in our grade. 17 Q. Just not in your friend group? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Of the females Jane Doe 3, 20 Jane Doe 4, did any of those people ever 21 tell you that Mr. Epstein — and tell you now, not vault 22 you assume — that anything had happened back at the 23 time, that anything had ever occurred at Mr. Epstein's 24 house that had been, they considered to be 25 inappropriate? An Page 338 1 her when she was -- so you. ould have been a junior, she 2 would have been a sophomore? 3 A. I think I knew her my sophomore year when she 4 was a freshman. 5 Q. So she would have been a freshman? 6 A. Yeah. 7 Q. Were you aware that — let me strike that. Do 8 you know whether you had gone to Mr. Epstein's before 9 Jane Doe 3 went or whether she went afterward, after you 10 had already gone? Does that make sense? 11 MR. HOROWITZ: No, try that again. 12 BY MR. CRITTON: 13 Q. Okay. Do you know whether you went to 14 Mr. Epstein's first or Jane Doe 3 went to Epstein's 15 first? 16 A. No. 17 Q. You don't remember? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Okay. if I asked you to assume that Jane Doe 20 3 says that she went to Mr. Epstein's after you had 21 already been there, would you dispute that? 22 A. I mean yes, because I don't really know, I 23 don't remember. 24 Q. But so if Jane Doe 3 said no, I asked Jane Doe 25 7 and Jane Doe 7 said she had been to Mr. Epstein's (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, 11 (Pages 335 to 338) INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (nt-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) fe3b2074-4669-434d-ac93.e54696fd7921 EFTA01107887 Page 339 Page 341 1 before -- 2 MR. HOROWITZ: Fonn. 3 THE WITNESS: If that's what she said -- 4 BY MR. CRITTON: 5 Q. Then you would go with her recollection on 6 that? 7 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 8 THE WITNESS: Yes. 9 BY MR. CRITTON: 10 Q. Do you know how many times -- well, let me 11 strike that, because you don't remember of your own 12 independent recollection who went first, Jane Doe 3 or 13 you. 14 Did Jaw Doe 3 ever express to you that 15 anything inappropriate — let me strike that. 16 Have you ever discussed what Jane Doe 3's 17 visits were with Mr. Epstein? Did you ever discuss that 18 with her? 19 A. No. I mean she shared her feelings about him 20 with me, but she never discussed what happened. 21 Q. And when you said her feelings, is that 22 recently? 23 A. I mean I don't remember if she did back then, 24 but she has recently. 25 Q. Pardon? 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21. 22 23 24 25 Q. A. A. A. Q. A. Okay. Did you go out with her? Yes. Where did you all go? Went to Noche. Up in Palm Beach Gardens? Yes. That's at the Soverel Marina? Yes. Who else Just her at and two other girls I didn't know. Q. MM. nix)? A. Q. Do you know whether J.S., was she one of your friends too back at that time? A. Yes. Q. Did she ever go to Epstein's? A. Yes. Q. How do you know that? A. Because she told me. Q. Why did she tell you? What made her tell you that? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't remember. Page 340 1 A. I don't remember what she said about him back 2 then, but I mean recently she has. 3 Q. And what has she said recently? 4 A. Just that she thinks he's lice a horrible 5 person and she thinks that the justice system didn't 6 work for him at all, and she told me about how he's nov, 7 on probation and out of jail, and just stuff like that. 8 Q. With Jane Doe 3, have you ever met her 9 husband? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Did you know she was married? 12 A. Yeah, she told me. 13 Q. When is the last time you talked to Jane Doe 14 3? 15 A. I talked to her recently. 16 Q. Last couple of weeks? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. When is the last time you saw her? 19 A. The last time I was down in Palm Beach. 20 Q. Which was when, February? 21 A. No, I don't really remember. 22 Q. Where did you see her? 23 A. Actually I saw her, I was recently, I was here 24 before I went down to Key West and I saw her. It was 25 her birthday. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 342 BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Did she know that you had been to Epstein's? A. Yes. Q. Did she know that you area plaintiff in a lawsuit? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. How did she know you were a plaintiff in a lawsuit? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't know who told her. She asked me about it. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Did you confinn to her that you had in fact brought a suit against Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. Q. If somebody asks you whether you are a plaintiff in a lawsuit against Mr. Epstein, do you tell them yes? A. If they are one of my close friends. If I don't know them, no. Q. Okay. Wein, is she a friend as you described earlier? A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, 12 (Pages 339 to 342) INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Midge (201-272.617-4627) 1e3b2074.4669.4a4d-ac93-o54696fd7921 EFTA01107888 Page 343 Page J.] 1 Q. Or a good friend? 2 A. She's a friend, yes. 3 Q. Someone you might trust or you might not? 4 A. She knew about it before when we were in high 5 school. 6 Q. She knew what, that you had gone there? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. How did she know? 9 MR. HOROWITZ• Form. 10 THE WITNESS: Everybody knew. She was in our 11 friend group. 12 BY MR. CRITTON: 13 Q. So ever/body who was in your Mend group knew 14 who had gone to Epstein's? 15 A. I mean basically it was me, Jane Doe 4,E, 16 lane Doe 3, we were all friends, so we all knew. 17 Q. And did J.S. ever describe her visits, visit 18 or visits to Epstein's? 19 A. I think she only watt once. 20 Q. Did she tell you why? 21 A. Yeah, she said that he like seared her or 22 something and tried to like make her do something and 23 she never went back. 24 Q. Okay. Were you still going to Epstein's at 25 the time you heard that? 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. And she said she had given a deposition? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Do you know if she's married? 5 A. She said she was divorced. 6 Q. She told you she was divorced? 7 A. Or they are separated, not divorced, I think Q. Which did she tell you? 9 A. !think separated. 10 . Q. Did she tell you why? 11 A. I think she was kind of embarrassed about it, 12 so she didn't really go into detail with me. 13 Q. Did you go to her wedding %Olen she got 14 trawled? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Have you ever — she has a child, doesn't she? 17 A. No. 18 Q. She doesn't have a child? 19 A. No. 20 Q. Jane Doe 3, was she someone, Jane Doe 3, did 21 you see her do, when she drank with you all in high 22 school, alcohol? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. And did you see her do drugs in high school? 25 A. No. Page 344 1 A. I don't remember when it was. 2 Q. Did you say to her that never happened to me? 3 A. I don't remember exactly what I told her. 4 just remember her telling me that. 5 Q. Did she say that she has any interest in 6 bringing a lawsuit against him? 7 A. No. 8 Q. Did she ask you how your lawsuit was going? 9 A. Na 10 Q. When you saw Jane Doe 3, you went to Noce, 11 what time did you all meet? 12 A. I think around eleven. I was driving home 13 from Orlando to visit my parents and then go to Key 14 West. 15 Q. And how long did you stay? 16 A. Not long just like two hours. 17 Q. Had a couple of drinks and then headed home? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Did Jane Doe 3 tell you that she had given her 20 deposition at that point? 21 A. [don't think she has given it yet, at that 22 point, no. 23 Q. But you subsequently talked to her? .24 A. Yes, recently. 25 Q. Over the phone? (561) 832-7500 Page 346 1 Q. Okay. So if she was doing cocaine or erctacy 2 or xanax, again, you never saw it? 3 MIt HOROWITZ: Form. 4 THE WITNESS: No. My friends knew I didn't do 5 it, so some of than would tsy to hide it or not do 6 it around me. So I never really saw them, whoever 7 did what. 8 BY MR. CRITTON: 9 Q. I think you told too you've never been in a 10 hospital? 11 MR. HOROWITZ.: Form. 12 BY MR. CRITTON: 13 Q. Right? 14 A. Not that I can recall, no. 15 Q. I asked you what you told the Palm Beach 16 police the first time you went to Mr. Epstein's house. 17 what you told them as to how you ended up going to 18 Epstein's. I asked you what you had told them. 19 Now my question to you is I never asked you 20 what you told the FBI. At this point I'm beyond that, 21 so let me ask this question. 22 How did you first hear that other people in 23 your grade or at school were going to Mr. Epstein's 24 home? Who did you hear that from? 25 A. I mean I just remember the first tirne I beard 13 (Pages 343 to 346) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272.617-4627) to3b2074-4669-434d-a493-c54696fd7921 EFTA01107889 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 347 about it w' asking me to go. And then after that, II remember Jane Doe 4 talking about it and then Q. And you said asked you to go. And at that time I think you said it was, you remembered it being in gym class or something like that. A. Yes.. Q. AndM. was in your grade? A. She was a grade ahead of me, but anybody could have gym together. Q. So what specifically clid say to you, your best recollection? A. She asked me it if I needed a job and if I needed money, and then she asked me if I knew how to give a massage. And I said yes, but not professionally. And she told me that was fine. And then she told me how she knows a guy that. lives in Palm Beach and will pay me if I give a massage. Q. You had been to Palm Beach before? A Yes. Q. And I assume based on what you told me earlier you had been to the beach in Palm Beach? A. Yes. Q. And had your dad driven you over there in Palm Beach because this is where I work, this is the kind of Page 349 1 A. No. 2 Q. All right. She just said "If you want ajob, 3 you want to make some money, you have to give a 4 massage." 5 You said, "I'm not a professional, but I've 6 given massages before"? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. Who had you ever given a massage to? 9 A. I don't remember, just girlfriends mainly, 10 like back massages. 11 Q. So did you este when she said, you know. 12 you can make some money, did she tell you how much you 13 could make? 14 A. Yeah, l think she said 5200. 15 Q. And did she say whether she was going to make 16 any money? 17 A. No. 18 Q. And did you say okay, did you say "Yeah, I'm 19 interested"; or "No, I'm not interested, let me think 20 *bout it"? 21 A. I told ha I was interested. 22 Q. Why were you interested in any way well, 23 let me ask you this. Did you say "Well, where exactly 24 is the massage going take place?" 25 A. I didn't ask her any of the details. 'just Page 348 1 houses i inspect? 2 A. He works like downtown. He doesn't work like 3 on Palm Beach island. 4 Q. Where does he work when you say downtown, West 5 Palm? That's where his office is? 6 A. Yeah, West Palm. 7 Q. Okay. Had he ever driven you over there? 8 A. I mean yeah, he's driven over there to go to 9 the beach and stuff. 10 Q. Had you walked up and down at times, you and 11 your mom at times walked up and down Worth Avenue and 12 then gone over to the beach just to look? 13 A. !mean yeah, i guess. 14 Q. It's a tourist spot? 15 A. Yes, I've been to Worth Avenue before. 16 Q. All you were familiar with Palm 17 Beach befo said — so when she said there is a 18 guy over in Palm Beach, you knew where Palm Beach was 19 and you had been on the island before, correct? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. And did she tell you how old the person was, 22 how old this guy yeas? 23 A. No. 24 Q. She didn't tell you whether he was 20 years 25 old or 50 years old or 100 years old? Page 350 1 was interested in making money, I 2 Q. So when is the next time yottle had some 3 conversation about it? 4 A. The next time is she just, I'm pretty sure 5 like when I actually went there. 6 Q. Did she say at school, "Hey, we're going to go 7 on Tuesday or whatever? 8 A. I don't remember. 9 Q. On any of the times that you ever went to 10 Mr. Epstein's, did you ever miss school to go? 11 A I went on — no, I usually went after school. 12 Q. What time? What time did you get out of 13 school, like two, three o'clock? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. So you would go after you got out of school? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. .And on the first occasion, how did you know 18 that going to go a particular day? 19 A. told me. i guess she made plans with 20 Sarah or Jeffrey. 21 Q. Tell me what you know at you guess. St 22 let me ask you again. What di say to you? 23 A. I don't remember exactly. I just remember her 24 asking me, and then I forget how we actually, when we 25 made plans to go there, like what day, but — and then I (561) 832-7500 14 (Pages 347 to 350) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617.6627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617-1627) fe3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac934,54696fd7921 EFTA01107890 Page 351 Page 353 1 rememberus mg there. 2 Q. As= drove? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. What did she have at the time? Did she have a 5 car, a truck, SUV? 6 A. She had a truck. 7 Q. What did it look like, do you remember? A. Maroon. 9 Q. Maroon, all right. Now before you went, did 10 you talk with her again and say "Okay, what am 1 11 supposed to wear?" 12 A. No. That first conversation, she just told me 13 to dress cute. 14 Q. Dress cute? 15 A. Yeah. 16 Q. What's that meat to you or what did that mean 17 to you? 18 A. I don't know. f just wore like my bathing 19 suit, because she said -- like we were planning on going 20 to the beach after. And then I wore a skirt and a tank 21 top? 22 Q. So you wore a bathing suit, tank top, skirt 23 and like flip-flops? 24 A. Uh huh. 25 Q. Yes? 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. What did you anticipate, and their arms and 3 their hands and their feet, necks, their head sometimes? 4 A. What did 1 anticipate I was going to do? Q. All right. If you — had you seen that on TV? 6 A. I mean yeah, !guess. 7 Q. Okay. So if you had seen that on TV, did you 8 assume that when you went over to earn money to do a 9 massage and you weren't, as you said, you weren't a 10 professional, that you were going to give some guy a 11 massage, so you would be massaging basically a large 12 part of his body? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. And you understood, or I assume from having 15 seen it on TV, you understood that people who have 16 massages, males or females, oftentimes they are on 17 either their back or their stomach and then their 18 private parts are covered only with a towel, but they 19 are naked underneath? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. All right. Now, so you are going over there, 22 at leas= tells you you are going to get 200 bucks 23 for giving a massage fora guy, so you knew it was a 24 male. 25 Did you ask her at the time how old is this Page 352 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Did you say "Wait a minute, why do 1 have 3 to — even if we're going to the beach afterwards, why 4 do I have to dress cute for this massage?" 5 A. I don't, I don't really remember. 1 was 6 confused. Q. What's confusing about that? 8 A. 1, she could have meant like dress, you know, 9 professionally, like massage people dress cute, I don't 10 know. I was like 16. I don't remember. 11. Q. Okay. Where had you ever seen -- had you ever 12 had a massage yourself? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Had you ever been to a spa? 15 A. No. I have seen spas before. I have never 16 actually been. 17 Q. Had you ever seen anyone have a professional 18 massage? 19 A. Yeah, like on W I have seen people. Not like 20 in person, but I have known the — 21 Q. And do you know when you give someone a 22 massage, that is a professional massage, you are 23 massaging their legs and their thighs and their back and 24 their neck, and then they flip over and you do the front 25 of their legs, things like that? Page 354 1 person? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Why not? 4 A. !just, I didn't think about it. I remember 5 asking her like why he doesn't just hire somebody to 6 give him a massage, and she told me he doesn't like 7 professional people, lace professional massages. 8 Q. Okay. As you described yourself earlier, you 9 said you arc of above average intelligence, so did you 10 say to her at that time wait a minute, why doesn't — 11 you had certainly the common sense to say why doesn't he 12 hire a professional masseuse, and she said well, he 13 doesn't like those. 14 Did that send off a little bell in your head 15 to go gee, why am I going and getting paid $200 versus a 16 professional massager, masseuse? 17 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 18 THE WITNESS: I mean I didn't know. I didn't 19 really think about it. 20 BY MR. CRITTON: 21 Q. You thought about it enough to ask why doesn't 22 he get a professional, right? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. Did you say okay —1 assume when you have 25 seen people on TV give massages, you have seen they have (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, 15 (Pages 351 to 354) INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617.4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.817.4827) to3b2074.4669-4a4d-ac93-o54696td7921 EFTA01107891 Page 355 been in basically in uniform, sometimes they are in a 2 white uniform or may have a polo shirt on and pants or 3 shorts, right? 4 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. 6 BY MK CRTITON: Q. Have you ever seen people again separate and 8 about from — well, let me strike that. 9 Have you ever seen people give massages in the 10 movies, other than when a guy is giving a girl a massage 11 that they have a relationship, where someone shows up in 12 a swimsuit or a cute little tank top and a skirt? 13 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 14 774E WITNESS: No. 15 BY MR. CRITTON• 16 Q. All right. St tells you to dress cute. 17 You are going to give a guy who doesn't want 18 professional massage a massage, and you arc not 19 masseuse, right? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. And you didn't ask how old he is, correct? 22 A. Correct 23 Q. Okay. Did you ask who was going to be there? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Did you ask where it's going to be done? Page 357 1 A. I think she might have said that. 2 Q. Did she, did you express any concern, like is 3 this guy going to be pushy? Is he nice? Is he an angry 4 kind of person? You know, is he going to be physical 5 with me or verbally abusive in any way? 6 Did you ask any of those questions? 7 A. No. Q. Did she say anything when you said — I said 9 did she say anything about that she he was nice and you 10 wouldn't have to worry, and you said you remember her 11 saying something about him being nice, right? 12 A. Yes. 3 Q. Okay. Did she say that he wouldn't use any 14 physical force or violence or any kind of coercion, that 15 you could feel safe? 16 MR. HOROV/ITZ: Form. 1 7 THE WITNESS: I mean she never said it that 18 way. 19 BY MR. CRTITON: 20 Q. Did you assume that? 21 A. When she said he was 22 done it, I assumed it 23 Q. Okay. Did she tell you if he, if you are 24 asked your age, to say you are over 18? 25 A. No. nice and she's already 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 356 A. Yes. Q. And she said? A. At his house. Q. Okay. Did you say "Why are we doing it at his house?" A. I don't remember. Q. Did you say "Where are you going to do it in the house?" A. I don't remember. Q. Did you ask her "Am I going to M., are you going to be there too?" A. She was the one that was bringing me, so yeah, I obviously assumed she was going to be there. Q. So you assumed she was going to be there. So what, did you say "What parts of his body do I have to massage?" A. Uh uh, ask She told me like — Q. Go ahead. A. She told me his legs and his feet is what she usually does, but I then never really. Q. Okay. Do you remem telling you that, in fact, it was an older man, late miles, fifties? A. No. Q. Do you remember her telling you he was a nice guy? Page 358 1 Q. So in. says that's what she told you, that 2 would not be hue or you just don't remember? 3 A. No, that would be a lie. 4 Q. Kind of like what you told the Palm Beach 5 police? 6 MR. HOROWITZ: Form, argumentative. 7 BY MR. CR1TTON: 8 Q. Right? 9 A. I guess you would say that. 10 Q. Did she ever say anything that you might be 11 asked to remove your clothes or take off an article of 12 clothing? 13 A. No, not the first time I went. 14 Q. Did she ever give you any indication that you 15 should be — well, let me strike that. 16 Okay, so she makes an arrangement for a time. 17 You don't know how, but she tells you we're going over 18 there at such and such a time, dress cute, right? 19 A. Uh huh. 20 Q. Yes? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. She pit you up? 23 A. I don't — we 'night have left after school. 24 Q. So you might have left right from school? 15 A. Yes. 16 (Pages 355 to 358) (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 . Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272-617-4627) fo3b2074.4669-4a4d-ac93-e54696fd7921 EFTA01107892 Page 359 Q. Did you just take clothes with you from 2 school? 3 A. Well, we were going to the beach after, so I 4 probably, l remember wearing my bathing suit. Q. Did you in fact go to the beach afterwards? 6 A. Yes. Q. In Palm Beach? A. Yes. 9 Q. All right. So do you remember what time of 10 year it was now? In thinking of that, it had to have 11 been warm if you were going to the beach or at least 12 decent. 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. And it was just the two of you? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. On the way over there, did you discuss what 17 you were going to be doing? Were you nervous at all? 18 A. I mean f was a little bit nervous, but I — we 19 didn't really talk about what we were going to be doing. 20 Q. So you got to the house. Did she park on the 21 driveway or on the street? 22 A. The driveway. 23 S. When you got out of the ear, did you say to 24 at any time before you got out of the car, "You 25 know, this doesn't seem like a great idea, I think I Page 361 1 A. 1 think so. I don't remember what I ate. I 2 remember like offering food. He was cooking. 3 Q. Art went upstairs. Did Mr. Epstein come 4 down? 5 A. No, I think she just came back down and told 6 me to go upstairs. 7 Q. Told you to go upstairs? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Tice first time that you went to the tein 10 home, did you actually go up or did ' onl go up? 11 A. I remember I went once wit hen she just 12 went up. 13 Q. Was that the first time? 14 A. Yes, I think that was the first time. 15 Q. So the first time you were there -- 16 A. Or actually — I don't remember correctly. 17 Q. Okay. 18 A. I don't, I l WIAlliber just going once with her 19 when she did her s And then — m 20 Q. She eani 21 A. Yes. So yeah, I remember the first time 1 22 went there to do it. 23 Q. Da tell you she had been there before? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Okay. So at least onetime you went wit= Page 360 1 don't want to do it"? 2 A I mean no. When I got there, I was kind of 3 conflated by everything, but I didn't really say that to 4 her. 5 Q. Why not? 6 A. I mean I didn't know what was going to go on. 7 Q. Well, you could have t time turned 8 around and said, "You know I don't really feel 9 like doing this," right? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. So you had to -- again, it was your decision. 12 You could either say yes or no, and you said yes, I'm 13 going to go into the house, right? 14 A. Yes. I mean the first time she didn't tell me 15 what was going on at all, so — 16 Q. You go in the house. Was there? 17 A. There was a cook there 18 Q. And you were in the kitchen? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. And what happened then? 21 They just like offered me food and water and 22 Milinlintroduced herself to rne. And she went up and got 23 Jeffrey. 24 Q. Okay. Did you eat anything when you were 25 there? Page 362 1 where she went up and gave the massage and you just sat 2 in the kitchen? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Do you remember that being the first time or 5 another time? 6 A. I think it was no, it was the second time, 7 because I didn't know the first time what — 8 Q. Okay. So the first timMeme back down 9 and she said you can go upstairs? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Did she take you upstairs? 12 A. Yeah, she walked up there with me. 13 Q. So you followed her? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Did you go up a stairway, I assume? 16 A. Stairway, yeah. 17 Q. Anything unusual about the stairway? 18 A. There were just like weird pictures like on 19 the skle of the wall. 20 Q. Of what? 21 A. They were pictures of like girls, pictures of 22 boobs, pictures of like weird drawings. 23 Q. Arts kind of pictures? 24 A. Arts, but then there was some kind of weird 25 pictures of girls with boobs and naked pictures. (561) 832-7500 17 (Pages 359 to 362) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272417-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272417.4627) fe3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-eS4696k17921 EFTA01107893 Page 363 1 Q. Describe — you said there were some art 2 pictures on the wall that had what, naked people or 3 portions of torsos or something? 4 A. Yeah. 5 Q. And then you saw a picture of another 6 picture where women were, didn't have tops on? 7 A. And I saw a picture of a little girl. 8 Q. Okay. And how was she dressed? 9 A. She had like a dress on. 10 Q. All right. 11 A. I think that was his daughter that I saw there 12 before. 13 And then I walked into the room and there were 14 more pictures there of girls and weird art pictures. 15 Q. Again, just, you say weird art pictures, 16 just - 17 A. Just I don't know, weird torso and boob 18 pictures, I guess. 19 Q. Of different parts of bodies, pictures? 20 A. Yes. 21. Q. And there were other pictures of girls? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Anyone that you recognized? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Anyone that you had ever seen at the house? Page 365 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Did she tell you what you were supposed to do 3 or what you were supposed to use or anything like that? 4 A. She said there was like massage oil, and she 5 like pointed to the massage oil. And that's all I think 6 I can remember her saying. 7 Q. Were you nervous at all? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Did you say UM "You knew what, I dont 10 think I want to do this, l think I'm out of here"? 1 A. I fek like I was kind of pressured and put in 12 a weird position where I just felt hie I kind of had to 13 do it because I there. 4 Q. Becaus had put you in that position? 15 A. I mean - 16 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 17 THE W'ffNESS: Well, Jeffrey walked in. 18 BY MR. CRITION: 19 Q. No, before Jeffrey got there. 20 A. Well, not just because' no. Just in 2.1 general, I already said I would do it. 22 Q. Because you committed kind of? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. So you felt that you — well, all right So 25 you got up there, she shows you the lotions. Does= Page 364 1 A. I don't think so. 2 Q. Were they clothed or unclothed? 3 A. I think they were undressed. 4 Q. Completely or just tops? A. I remember their breasts were showing. Q. That's what you remember seeing? 7 A. Yes. Q. And you don't know who they were? 9 A. No. 10 Q. Or how old they were? 11 A. No. 12 Q. Did they appear to be adults to you? 13 A. They could have.. 14 Q. So then you go i walks you into a 15 room? 16 A. Yet 17 Q. And whafs there? 18 A. There was a shower, like a vanity, the massage 19 table. She like already had it set up. 20 Q. Had you ever seen a massage table before? 21. A. Just not l mean in movies. 22 Q. Movies again. Did she say anything to you? 23 A. She just said that Jeffrey would be in 24 shortly. 25 Q. And did she leave then? (561) 832-7500 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 366 leave before Jeffrey comes into the room? A. I think so, yes. Q. Okay. So you are what, just standing by the table? A. Yeah. Q. And what happens? A. And then Jeffrey comes in. Q. And what's he do? How is he dressed? A. I think he just had a towel around him. Q. Okay. What color was the towel? A. White. Q. And describe it. A. He just had it like around his waist. Q. Describe Mr. Epstein. A. Like his body? Q. Yes. Tall, short? A. He's a taller guy, has gray hair, kind of hairy, kind of bigger, not fat, but like bigger build, blue eyes, like a longer face. Q. All right Did he introduce himself? A. Yes. Q. What did he say? A. Just said "Hi, I'm Jeffrey." Q. And you said? A. I said, "Hi, I'm Jane Doe 7, Es friend." 18 ( Pages 363 to 366) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-2724174627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272417.4627) to3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-0546961d7921 EFTA01107894 Page 367 Page 369 Q. Did you shake hands? 2 A. I thirdcso. 3 Q. And what did he do? 4 A. And then that's when he got on the massage S table and he, that's when basically like the first time lgave a massage and he said that he would like his feet 7 and his calves massaged, and he was turned over. Q. So he was on his back. How long did the 9 session last? 10 A. It lasted for about, about half an hour, I 11 think. 12 Q. About 30 minutes? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. All right. And did you massage his feet? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Did you pick the oil that you were going to 17 use? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Had you ever used massage oil before? 20 A. No. 21 vita did you know which one to pick, just from 22 told you? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. So you used the massage oil. You did his 25 calves and his feet? 1 Q. Next to his right ann? 2 A. Well, I mean if you are looking at him this 3 way, I was over here. 4 Q. Well, you say he was lying down, so as he was 5 lying down, were you near his right shoulder or his left 6 shoulder? 7 A. When he was lying down, l was near his left 8 shoulder. 9 Q. As you were massaging his chest — 10 MR. HOROWITZ: You mean lying down en his back 11 or his stomach? 12 BY MR. CRITTON: 13 Q. You said he was lying on his back? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. So you were near his right shoulder? 16 A. His left shoulder. 17 Q. His left shoulder, all right. And were you 18 standing at his side er were you standing at the top of 19 his head, massaging his chest? 20 A. On the side. 21 Q. All right And you say you Is.ard a humming 22 and then what happened? 23 A. And then he just started reaching under his 24 towel and then he kind of like grabbed, he grabbed me 25 towards him and pulled me towards him. Page 368 1 A. Yes 2 Q. Did he turn over then? 3 A. Towards the end, yes. 4 Q. So after what, you are 90 percent done, then 5 he turned over? A. Yeah. 7 Q. Okay. And he had a towel over him the entire 8 time? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Okay. And when he turned over, what did 11 you — did you continue the massage? 12 A. He turned over and then he asked me if I could 13 like massage his chest. 14 Q. And did you? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. All right. And then what? 17 A. And then I was massaging his chest, and I 18 don't know, he started making noises. 19 Q. Like what? 20 A. Just like humming noises. 21 Q. Hununing? 22. A. Yeah. Just, I don't know, weird noises. And 23 then — . 24 Q. Were you standing to his left or his right? 25 A. I was standing on his right. Page 370 1 Q. Where did he grab you? 2 A. He grabbed my buttocks and pulled me to him. 3 Q. When you say grabbed you, he put his hand 4 behind your buttocks and pulled you toward him? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Which hand? 7 A. His left hand. 8 Q. When he did that, what did you do? 9 A. Felt really awkward arid got really scared. I 10 think he could tell I was scared. And I got nervous and 11 he, he kind of asked me if I was okay. 12 And I just told him I felt, I felt nervous. 13 And that's, that's when he like started to masturbate, 14 and that's when — 15 Q. How do you know he was masturbating? 16 A. Because I could, I could tell. 17 Q. Had you ever seen a guy masturbate before? 18 . A. .Yes. 19 Q. Where? 20 A. Die on TV. 21 Q. On what, like a porno movie or something like 22 that? 23 A. I don't know, I knew what it was. 24 Q. Everybody learns about it at some point in sex 25 education, right, male and female masturbation, right? (5 6 1) 8 32 — 7 50 0 19 (Pages 367 to 370) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272417-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272417.4627) fe3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93o54696fd7921 EFTA01107895 Page 371 Page 373 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. All right. It's part of life. You had seen 3 it on TV before? Yes? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. lied you seen it in the movies before? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. All right. Had you ever seen it in person 8 before? 9 A. No. 10 Q. All right. So you figured that's what he was 11 doing under the towel, right? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. All right. You didn't see it, you just 14 assumed that's what was going on? 15 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 16 THE WITNESS: Yes. 17 BY MR. CRITTON: 18 Q. All right. So had he let go of you Men? He 19 put his hand on your butt and pulled you toward him, 20 when you said you felt awkward, scared and nervous and 21 he sensed that and you said "Im nervous," did he let go 22 of you? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Okay. Did he continue to hold on to your 25 butt? 1 Q. Okay. Did he get up then? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Keep the towel around him? 4 A. I know he like put on, grabbed a new towel, 5 and then I walked around the side and he got his money 6 and gave me the $200. 7 And then he asked me for my number. And he 8 told me ifl had a friend, asked me if I had a friend 9 that wanted to make money. 10 Q. And you said? So he asked you for your number 11 and said if you had a friend who would like come -- 12 A. Yes, 13 Q. What? 14 A. l le said if I brought a friend, then I would 15 make money. 16 Q. Okay. And he gave you $200. You felt 17 awkward, scared and nervous. 18 Did you give him your phone number or did you 19 give him just a fake phone number? 20 A. I gave him mine. 21 Q. But you could have said "No, thanks, I'm done, 22 Pm not going to give you my phone number," right? 23 A. Yes. I just felt scared and intimidated, so I 24 gave him my number. 25 Q. But you could have given him any phone number, Page 372 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Did you ever — had you removed any clothing? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Had he ever asked you to remove any clothing? 5 A. I think the first time, I fen so like nervous 6 and awkward, I don't think he asked me, no. 7 Q. Well, all right. So your best recollection is 8 he didn't ask you to take any of your clothes oft? 9 A. The first time. 10 Q. So he pulled you towards him. You felt 11 awkward, scared and nervous, right? 12 A. Uh huh. 13 Q. You told him — yes? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. And you told him that? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Okay. And then he was, from your perspective, 18 was masturbating under the towel? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. And then what happened? 21 A. And then he was just making noises. And I 22 didn't see him ejaculate, but I'm assuming he 23 ejaculated, because he stopped. And then that was -- 24 Q. That was it? 25 A. Yes. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 374 true? A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. Did you feel in any way embarrassed or humiliated? A. I was kind of confused. Like he was like an older, powerful man and, you know, I just felt confused about the whole situation at that point. MR. CRITTON: Okay. Let's take a break. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 5:28 pm. This marks the end of tape three. (Disclicsion held off the record.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the record at 531 p.m. This marks the beginning of tape four. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. You said that you thought Mr. Epstein — did you know what his last name was at that time or you just knew his name was Jeffrey? A. I thinkl knew, just thought it was Jeffrey. Q. You said when he walked in the room, obviously you knew that he was, you know what his approximate age Umm, I suppose. Okay. Did you feel intimidated? Yes. Did you feel uncomfortable? Yes. (561) 832-7500 20 (Pages 371 to 374) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-n2-6n-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617.4627) to3b2074-4669.4Md-ac93-064699fd7921 EFTA01107896 Page 375 Page 377 1 was? 2 A. He looked older, yes. 3 Q. All right. When you say older, how old does 4 that mean? 5 A. He looked like he was like 45, 50. 6 Q. You said he was powerful. What made you think 7 he was powerful? 8 A. 1 could just tell by his house. 9 Q. Just because he had a big house? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Did you know anything about him? 12 A. No. 13 Q. During the eight to ten times you claim that 14 you went, did you ever learn anything about him, what he 15 did fora living? 16 A. Yes, I think he told somebody — 17 Q. No, what he told you, not somebody. 18 MR. HOROWITZ: No, no, that's how she learned. 19 She is explaining to you. 20 BY MR. CRITTON: 21 Q. Let me stick with my question. Did you ever 22 learn from him what he did? 23 A. No, he would talk about his friends in finance 24 and he would be on phone calls sometimes when I was like 25 giving him massages. 1 money foe.? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Did you well, let me strike that. He gave 4 you $200 he asked for your phone number and you 5 voluntarily gave it to him, correct? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. He asked you if you ever wanted to bring 8 someone else that wanted to come, he'd pay you to do 9 that? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Did he tell you how much he'd pay you to do 12 that? 13 A. 200. 14 Q. And I think you described yourself at that 15 point as awkward, you felt the situation was awkward. 16 scared, I think you used the word weird, you thought it 17 was inappropriate and you felt uncomfortable. Fair? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 19 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 20 MR. HOROWITZ: Confused too. 21 BY MR. CRITTON: 22 Q. Let's put confused there too. I'll add that. 23 So as you left, you gave him your phone 24 number, you listened to what he said about bringing 25 somebody else, and what happened then? Did he go off? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Yawn he gave you the $200, did he give you any 25 Page 376 And then he talked to me about how his friends like own yachts and, you know sail, because I told him I wanted to get into hospitality and travel. So he told me about his friends, and he said he would introduce me to one of his friends if I wanted to, because his friend has like a yacht, and 1 could work on his yacht and just stuff like that. So 1 just kind of assumed things. Q. The friends, did he ever tell you who his friends were? A. I saw pictures of like Bill Clinton, I think, 10 and 1 saw a picture with Donald Trump. He never told me 11 who they were. 12 Q. He just said he had friends? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. And you saw some pictures? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And you dont know whether those people were 17 his friends or not, you just know that you saw pictures 18 with those people? 19 A. I mean he had his arm around them and they 20 looked like they were friends. 21 Q. So Mr. Epstein was in the picture, one picture 22 with Trump, another picture with Clinton? 23 A. Yes. 24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Page 379 A. Yeah, I just left witty Q. No, no, did he go off before you went back downstairs? A. Like walked off? Q. Did he leave the room? A. I think he just walked me to the stairs. Q. And he still had a towel around him? A. I think so, yeah, or a robe maybe. Q. You never saw him completely naked that day, did you? A. No. Q. Then he wallatyau to the stairs, you went back down the staff rl= was still there? A. Yes. Q. And did you have anything to eat or drink before you left? A. No. Q. Did you see again? A. Yeah, l saw w I was leaving. Q. Did she say anything to you? A. Just goodbye, I think. Something like that. Q. And what did you say? A. Just said bye. Just wanted to get out of there. Q. You wanted to get out of there because you (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, 21 (Pages 375 to 378) INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-6174627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617-4627) fe3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-e64696fd 7921 EFTA01107897 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 it? 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 379 1 thought it was a really weird situation; fair statement? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. And you were very uncomfortable and scared and 4 nervous, true? S MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 6 THE WITNESS: I mean yeah, I was confused by everything. I saw like a rich, powerful guy, and then he was, you know, and very nice to me, but at the same time like I, you know, Mt uneasy and just confused by everything that was going on. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Had you ever been with a guy before, a male before where he had masturbated, even if you didn't see A. No. Q. Had you ever been with one of your, a guy friend and the guy had masturbated? A. No. Q. Or you thought he was masturbating? A. No. Q. You both leave the kitchen, you leave the house, you get back in the truck. A. (Witness nods head up and down.) Q. Do you start screaming a= going "What in God's name did you get me into here" Page 381 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. All right. You just went to that beach, 3 parked at the meters, and just went down to the beach 4 fee a while? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. And then to get home from there, what is it, 7 about a 30-minute ride? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. So you ancM. go to the beach fora period 10 of time and you ride home. Were you aware wheth. 11 had received any money at that point? 12 A. I don't remember. 13 Q. Did you learn later that H.R. had received 14 money? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Did she tell you? 17 A. I don't remember if she told me. I think she 18 did. 19 Q. Did she tell you how much money she received? 20 A. I think just 200, like he pays everybody. 2 1 Q. And were you offended that she had received 22 S200 for bringing you? 23 A. I don't remember what I thought back then. 24 Q. Dld, when you were on the beach or on the way 25 home, so there bad to have been at least 30 minutes plus Page 380 1 A. Actually, I was just like really embarrassed 2 about everything, and I forget my conversation with her 3 that day, though. 4 Q. Well, did you say to her — did she say 5 anything to you like "Well, everything go okay?" 6 A. No. 7 Q. So how far — did she take you home or did you 8 guys go to the beach? 9 A. I believe we went to the beach after that. 10 Q. How long did you stay at the beach? 11 A. I don't remember. 12 Q. An hour, ten minutes, five minutes? 13 A. I have no idea. 14 Q. Did you go in the ocean? 15 A. I don't remember. I just remember we went to 16 the beach after that. 17 Q. And then you went home. Did she drive you 18 home? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. What's it from Palm Beach to the beach — did 21 you go to the beach off of Worth Avenue, that area? 22 A. Just when you keep driving straight down 23 Okeechobee to -- yeah, the one straight, all the way 24 down. 25 Q. The end on Royal Palm Way? Page 382 1 the time you rode from Mr. Epstein's house to the beach, 2 sat there a while nutes, an hour, maybe longer, 3 did you ever, di ever ask you what had happened or 4 if you were okay, what had happened? 5 A. I don't remember. It was seven years ago. I 6 don't remember what we talked about. 7 Q. Well, depending on the time period, maybe five 8 years ago. 9 A. Five, 10 Q. Maybe six years ago, maybe seven years, fm 11 not sure, based on your r testimony. 12 So you woe wi Did you express any 13 anger- 14 A. I'm mean I'm sure I was angry — 15 Q. Let me finish the question. Did you express 16 any anger or anxiety to her with regard to what had 17 occurred between you and Mr. Epstein? 18 A. I mean Fm sure she could tell I was 19 uncomfortable and upset because of what happened, but I 20 don't rernanber what I said to her, what she said to me 21 exactly. 22 Q. Why would she notice that you were upset? 23 A. Because she didn't tell me everything that was 24 going to go on, so of course I would have been upset. 25 Q. Why? How would she know that you were upset (561) 832-7500 "...4.6•1•••••••• 22 (Pages 379 to 382) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272417-4627) fo3b20 74.4 669-4a4d-ac93-e54696fd7921 EFTA01107898 Page 383 1 if you didn't express it? 2 A. I don't remember if I said something about 3 her -- I mean I'm sure I did say something like why 4 didn't you tell me the whole story or something like 5 that, but I don't -- 6 Q. Did you feel that you had been misled? A. Yes. 3 Q. Did you feel that. had deceived you? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Did you feel that she had misrepresented the 11 circumstances of you giving the massage? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Did you feel she had lied to you? 14 A. I just felt like she didn't tell me everything 15 that was going to go on. 16 Q. All right. So did you express something like 17 that to her? 18 A. I'm sure I did. !just don't remember exactly 19 what I said. 20 Q. Okay. And did you tell her, do you remember 21 telling her you felt the situation was awkward, you were 22 scared, you were nervous, you were confused, you were 23 uneasy, you thought that his actions were inappropriate, 24 you felt uncomfortable? 25 Did you tell her all that? Page 385 1 deceived you and misrepresented what was going to occur, 2 why didn't you then at that point say no way under God's 3 green earth am I going back to Mr. Epstein's house again 4 under any circumstances? 5 A. Just because I was young and I wasn't thinking 6 and I was just confused, and I heard my friends started 7 going there and then, you know, waited a little bit. 8 And I mean, I don't know, I just wasn't in the right 9 mindset. I was — 10 Q. Well, you knew that he couldn't force you to 11 go back, right? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. And you knew he had no power over you? Once 14 you left that house, from your perspective, you were no 15 longer committed to anything, you never had to go back. 16 you never had to go back to Mr. Epstein's house for any 17 reason under any circumstances, did you? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Okay. And you could have said I found what I 20 did inappropriate, Pm embarrassed, I'm humiliated about 21 going, I'm not going back? 22 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 23 BY MR. CRITTON: 24 Q. You could have marksaigt decision right then 25 and there on the beach with= that day, right? 3 Page 384 1 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 2 BY MR. CRITTON: 3 Q. Or something like that? 4 A. I'm sure I did. I don't remember exactly what 5 I told her. 6 Q. All right. So at that point, that is, after 7 that, describe that as a pretty miserable experience for 8 you yourself? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. So this miserable experience having occurred, 11 I assume you made a decision right then and there that 12 you would never go back to Mr. Epstein's house, because 13 why would you put yourself in such a situation which was 14 awkward, where you would be weird, you would be scared, 15 nervous, anxious, and what he did from your view was 16 inappropriate and uncomfortable for you? 17 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 18 THE WITNESS: Well, you know I went eight to 19 ten times, so obviously you know l went back after 20 that. 21 BY MR. CRITTON: 22 Q. That's my question to you, was if you found 23 the situation awkward, weird, you were scared, nervous, 24 you felt what he did was inappropriate and you were 25 uncomfortable and confused and you felt Ilia ad 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 386 A. Yes. Q. All right. And you felt embarrassed and humiliated, didn't you? MR. HOROWITZ.: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. All right. Did you think it was kind of traumatic what he had done? You had never seen a guy or you had never been in the presence where another male had masturbated. Even though you didn't see him, that's what you thought he was doing, right? A. Yes. Q. All right. And that you found completely inappropriate, right? A. I mean yes. I was just confused at the time. Q. What's there to be confused about? You came away from that experience having been embarrassed and humiliated. You felt the situation was inappropriate. You were uncomfortable, scared and nervous. What would you ever be thinking why you would have any interest in going back to Mr. Epstein's after that occasion? A. Well, I wasn't planning on going back for a Italia And then I just heard girls stared going and alled me and asked me if I wanted to bring (561) 832-7500 23 (Pages 383 to 386) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272417-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.2724174627) fe3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-064696fd7921 EFTA01107899 Page 387 1 anybody, and tibriLotber girls started going, and that's 2 when I believe= asked me about it (MI one of 3 them. And that's when I took one of those girls. 4 Q. All right Soon the second occasion is when 5 you took somebody else? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. All ri t. So on the second occasion you took 8 either , right? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Do you remember which one now, having thought 11 about it? 12 A. No. I mean I {mow now I'm pretty sure it 13 wa., but I can't remember which one I 14 took first. 15 Q. All right. And, all right, on the second 16 occasion you said= called you and asked you whether 17 you wanted to come back or whether you had someone else 18 that would like to come? 19 A. Yeah, she said either. 20 Q. All right. And did she say to you when she 21 called you 'Do you have someone else that would like to 22 give Mr. Epstein a massage?" 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Or did she say to come and work? What did she 25 say? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 389 Q. And did you say sit back and think — did you say to yourself I'm sorry I ever gave him my phone number? A I just tried not like to think about it I just, I don't remember. Q. Did you say geez, that was a traumatic experience for me, l don't want to go back there or have anything to do with those people? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't remember exactly. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Okay. But again, when you heard iron= did all those feelings of being uncomfortable and anxious and scared, did all those feelings come back to you when she called you? A. Yeah, a little bit. .... And did you say to yourself, you know, when strike that. Wher=called you and asked you if you wanted to bring someone else, did you say no? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: I believe I just said I didn't know and I'd call her back. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. All right Did you then decide right, I'm not Page 388 1 A. She asked me both if I wanted to come work or 2 if 1 knew somebody what wanted to come work. 3 Q. Those were her exact words? 4 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 5 THE WITNESS: Pretty much. 6 BY MR. CRTTTON: 7 Q.Whssibitsaid that — again, you have never 8 texted widt= have you? 9 A. I don't remember. I don't think so. 10 g You never communicated by Facebook or social 11 networking "= 12 A. No. 13 Q. Or Imam on behalf of Mr. Epstein? 14 MR. HOROWITZ: Fenn 15 THE WITNESS: No. 16 BY MR. CRITTON: 17 Q. All right And when you talked witMand 18 she said would you like to come and work or do you have 19 a friend that would like to come and work, you said 20 what? 21 A. 'told her that I didn't know and that I would 22 call her back. 23 Q. And did you at that time — how much time had 24 passed since the time you were there the first time? 25 A. I'm not sure. I think like two weeks or so. Page 390 1 calling this lady back, I want nothing to do with them? 2 A. I don't know what I decided o than I 'Int 3 ranembe= found out about it 4 asked me if I went and if I could bring her. 5 Q. And did you say you had been there? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Okay. And why didn't you, when you said you 8 had been there and she said "Could you take me," why 9 didn't you just say "Go talk t' I have got no 10 interest in going back"? 11 A. Because she asked me to take her and I 'mew I 12 could make money. And I told her, you know, what 13 happened. And she said that she wanted to make money or 14 needed money, so — 15 Q. So you were going to make money of. 16 making money by taking her to Mr. Epstein's. Did you 17 consider yourself acting as a pimp? 18 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 19 THE WITNESS: No. 20 BY MR. CRITTON: 21 Q. Pardon? 22 A. No. 23 Q. What did you consider yourself doing? What 24 was your role? 25 A. If she, if I brought her there and told her 24 (Pages 387 to 390) (561) 832-7500 . PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617-4627) fe3b2074-4669-434d.ac93.54696fd7921 EFTA01107900 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 391 nothing lit, did mc, there is like a difference. Q. Okay. So did you to what had happened with you? A. Yes. Q. Okay. a you told her exactly what you just told us had happened? MR. HOROWITZ: Fam. THE WITNESS: Yes, at the time I told her what happened. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. And did you tell her that you had massaged him, including his chest, he had turned over and then he had masturbated under a towel? A. Yes. Q. And she said what, no problem? A. She said she still wanted to go. Q. All right. And did you tell her that you found the whole situation with Mr. Epstein weird and awkward? A. Yes, Fm sure I said that. Q. And did you tell her you were scared and nervous when you were up there? A. I told her it was, you know, awkward. I felt weird and I told her what happened, but I don't remember exactly what words I used. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 1 0 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 393 A. I don't remember. Q. What was her reputation around school? A. It was good. Mill All right. So what did you do? Did you call . baNclair "Yep, iyrcal m bonginga .friend"?then I toll illir I, yes, I had a friend that wanted to con Q. And she said,Maid "Okay, just set up a time"? A. Yes. mid And did you set up a time and did you take ere? •I'remember. Q. , was she driving at the time? A. Yes. Q. Did you say you were in the same class? A. Yes. Q. So one of the two of you drove, and I think you told us earlier maybe M. went, you just don't remember, or you think just two of you went? A. I don't remember. Q. So you drive over there. Din ask you any questions as you were going over there? A. I don't remember. Page 392 1 Q. Did you tell her the hadn't told you the 2 truth, that she had deceived you and misrepresented what 3 was going to happen? 4 A. I don't remember if I told her that. 5 Q. Okay. Did you tell her — did she say "Well, 6 would you go back up there with him?" 7 A. She never asked me that. 8 Q. Okay. So you told her you were, it had been 9 awkward and weird, that you were scared and nervous? 10 Did you tell her that? 11 A. I don't remember. 12 Q. Did you tell her that he had grabbed your 13 butt? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Okay. And she gill said "I'll go"? 16 A. Yes, 17 Q. Okay. What was S.V.'s reputation at school? 18 Was she someone who dated a bunch of guys? 19 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 20 BY MR. CRITTON: 21 Q. I mean was she someone who had intimate 22 relationship with guys, from what you knew? 23 A. I mean she had boyfriends. 24 Q. Do you know whether she was in a sexual 25 relationship with those boyfriends? Page 394 1 Q. Did you feel like you had give= full 2 disclosure as to at least what your experience was? 3 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 4 THE WITNESS: Yes. 5 BY MR. CRITTON: 6 Q. So even though yours waslit ble 7 experience, you found it frame • 11 wanted to 8 go? 9 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 10 THE WITNESS: Yes. 11 BY MR. CRMON: 12 Q. So you get over there. You go into the 13 kitcza was do ythere ou seta: alit 14 15 Q. Anyone else? 16 A. And wn-haired girl. I forget her name. 17 I thinIcit's the 'rt. Q. Who is th 18 girl? 19 A. The brown-haired girl that was always over 20 there. 21 Q. Did you meet her at some point? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. What did she look like? 24 A. She's like really tall and skinny and brown 25 hair, pretty. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, 25 (Pages 391 to 394) INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272.617-4627) fe3b2074.4669-4a4d-ac93-054696fd7921 EFTA01107901 Page 393 1 Q. S' have been there an 2 A. Sarah was there. 3 Q. And what happened? The two of you come in. 4 everybody says hi, and what happens next? 5 A. I just introduce ., andMi 6 talked t=. fora little bit, and they went upstairs 7 and I waited in the kitchen. 8 Q. Okay. And how long w- gone? 9 A. For about half an hour. 10 Q. She comes back down the stairs? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Okay. Did you ever see Jeffrey that day? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Did he come down the stairs wit.? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. What did he say to you? 17 A. We went over in like his living room and then 18 he just gave meauzey. I forget what he said to me. 19 Q. And diet see you getting money for 20 bringing her? 21 A. I don't remember. 22 Q. Did she understand that you were going to get 23 money for bringing ha? 24 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 25 THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1.0 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pc..1 her like it had been to you? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: She didn't go into any detail. I'm sure she was embarrassed. BY MR. CIUTTON: Q. As you had been, right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And did she say anything else? A. Not that I can remem Q. To your knowledge, :lie. ever go back to Mr. Epstein's? A. I don't know. Q. You never took her? A. No. I never took her again. Q. All right. On the third occasion that you went to Mr. Epstein's, is this when you would have taken A. Yes, I believe so. Q. So the third time, how did that happen? A. I don't remember exactly. 'just remember me taking her there. I think I mi t have drove, and basically the same wt Q. Did you tel what your experience had been? A. Yes, but she also heard about it from other Page 396 1 BY MR. CRITFON: 2 Q. Did you ever tell her? 3 A. I don't remember. 4 Q. When you got back in the car, did you go back 5 home, both of you? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Did you askencnv was it," or what was 8 your — you know, "Everything go okay?" 9 A. I don't remember exactly what we talked about. 10 I just, I knew she said something about lute he was 11 weird and, you know, she was kind of creeped out. And 12 that's, she didn't really go into detail with me. 13 Q. So she thought Mr. Epstein was weird and she 14 was creeped out by the whole experience. 15 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 16 TIM WITNESS: Yes. 17 BY MR. ORITION: 18 Q. Okay. And she told you that? 19 A. Yes. That's what I, the summary of what I 20 remember. 21 Q. Okay. And that was consistent with how you 22 felt after the fast time, because you thought it was 23 weird and you were creeped out too, weren't you? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Did she seem to be a traumatic experience to Page 398 1 girls at school, so she also kind of knew what was going 2 on. 3 Q. Had she, did she say, after told her your 4 experience — I mean you told her again that he had 5 grabbed your butt. 6 A. (Witness nods head up and down.) 7 Q. Yes? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Okay. You told her that you had massaged his 10 legs, he had turned over and he had masturbated, at 11 least from your perception, under the towel? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Okay. And did she seem to be bothered by that 14 stall? 15 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 16 THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 17 BY MR. CRITTON: 18 Q. Had she heard that, though, from other girls? 19 A. I think so, yes. 20 Q. And she left you with that impression, "Yeah, 21 I've heard he does that"? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Did you tell her that you had taken 24 A. I don't remember. 25 Q. Okay. Well, did you tell her as you ton (561) 832-7500 26 (Pages 395 to 398) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272.617.4627) te3b2074-4669.4a4thac93-054696fd7921 EFTA01107902 Page 399 1 that you found the situation weird and awkward and you 2 were uncomfortable, confused, and nervous and scared? 3 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 4 THE WITNESS: I don't remember, because she 5 already kind of knew about it, so I don't remember 6 what I said to her. 7 BY MR. CRITTON: 8 Q. But you told her that you didn't feel 9 comfortable being there, didn't you? 10 MR. HOROWITZ: Fr. 11 THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 12 BY MR. CRITTON: 13 Q. Well, did you mislead her and misrepresent 14 what was going to happen, or did you tell her that it 15 was a very uncomfortable experience for you? 16 MR.. HOROWITZ: Form. 17 THE WITNESS: I don't know if she asked me 18 about it, but she already knew what was going on. 19 BY MR. CRITTON: 20 Q. Well, do you remember telling her your 21 experience? That's what Pm interested in. I mean 22 whether she knew it from somebody else, did you tell her 23 your experience? 24 MR HOROWITZ.: Forth. 25 THE WITNESS: I don't remember. Page 401 1 this occasion? 2 A. I believeMand maybe, the girl, 3 brown-haired girl. 4 Q. I'm sort and, an 5 A. Yeah, 6 Q. You pull into the kitchen. Was the cook 7 there? 8 A. I think so, yeah. There was usually a cook 9 there. 10 Q. Did you have anything to eat? 11 A. I don't remember. 12 . So you sat in the kitchen and did. take 13 oPstaks? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. How long was she up there, about 30 minutes? 16 A. Yes- 17 Q. She comes back down. Did Mr. Epstein come 18 back down again? 19 A. Umm, umm, actually I think that was the time 20 that Sarah brought me up there and Jeffrey was, was in 21 Ike a smaller room kind of by the bathroom. 22 And he gave me the money and he said something 23 Ike "good job," and then just tried to grab my butt 24 again. And then I was kind e pulled away, and he 25 gave me the money and came out and then we Page 400 1 BY MR. CRITTON: 2 Q. Okay. Well, whether she asked you whether she 3 could go a not, you were in a situation that you found 4 traumatic, you thought he acted inappropriately, you 5 felt uncomfortable, nervous, scared, and confused. 6 Did you disclose — didn't you feel you had an 7 obligation to disclose that to her before you allowed 8 her or took her to the house? 9 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 10 THE WITNESS: She already knew like what was 11 the deal, like what was going on. So ifs not like 12 I hid anything from her. And any time they would 13 ask me, I would tell them straight up, you know. 14 BY MR. CRITTU 15 Q. So you an o. You think she !mew 16 everything at least that you knew, plus she had heard 17 stuff from other girls? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. So you felt that she had full knowledge, full 20 disclosure, so to speak? 21 MR HOROWITZ: Form. 22 BY MR. CRITTON: 23 Q. Is that fair? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. You go in the house. Who was in the house on Page 402 1 left 2 Q. So when he reached out for your butt, you 3 moved away? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. So the third occasion, so you an. then 6 walked downstairs? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. Did you go to the beach? Did you go shopping, 9 or did you take her home? 10 A. I don't rer»ember what we did. A lot of times 11 I would go to the beach after, but I don't remember 12 specifically. an. 13 Q. Were you friends? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Did anything about the episode? Did 16 she say said, like "This is really weird, 17 this really creeped me out"? 18 A. Yeah, I think she was kind of — I think ever) 19 girl that watt kind of had that feeling — like not 20 every girl, but I mean a lot of the girls, the first 21 time theysvere kind of confused by everything. 22 Q. S ave you at least the impression she 23 thought it was weird and she was kind of creeped out 24 too? 25 A. I mean she didn't tell me, but I would assume. 27 (Pages 399 to 402) (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272-6174627) fo3b2074.4669-4a4d-ac93-e54696fd7921 EFTA01107903 Page 403 1 Q. You don't have to assume. I want to know what 2 she said. Did she say anything to you? 3 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 4 THE WITNESS: I don't remember what she said 5 to me. 6 BY MR. CRITTON: 7 Q. Well, did she say anything or did she suggest 8 to you — strike that 9 Did she tell you that anything inappropriate 10 had happened? 1/. MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 12 THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 13 BY MR. CRUTON: 14 Q. Okay. Did she say he had touched her in any 15 way or assaulted her? 16 A. No. She didn't say assaulted. 17 Q. Well, did she say that anything had happened 18 that was in any way inappropriate? 19 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 20 THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 21 BY MR. CRITTON: 22 Q. Again, neither ever came down 23 looking distraught or crying or upset, did they? 24 A. I mean yeah, they kind of looked like upset 25 and weirded out. None of them ever cried, but — Page 405 1 money. You had a job at the time or you didn't have a 2 job? 3 A. I don't think I had a job, no. 4 Q. So did you ask your parents for money? 5 A. My parents like rarely gave me money. Like 6 just when I needed things like bad, like for school. 7 Q. Who paid for your gas? 8 A. I would have to like wash my dad's car or 9 clean the yard. I would have to do chores to get — 10 Q. Soto speak, an honest days work for an 11 honest days pay? 12 A. Pretty much. 13 Q. All right. So and how about for insurance, 14 who paid the car payment and the insurance payment for 15 the car, your parents? 16 A. My dad. 17 Q. All right. Did your parents ever ask you 18 where you went when you were going over to Palm Beach, 19 or did they not know you were going to Palm Beach? 20 A. They didn't Icnigr agoing. 21 Q. All right So i Iled, you said you 22 needed some money, so you said you'd go again? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Now the fourth time, this is the fourth of the 25 eight to ten times you went? Page 404 1 Q. Did they ever call for help when they were 2 there? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Did you after the first visit ever call the 5 Palm Beach Police Department? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Okay. Diver say, "You know what? 8 This guy did something unappropriate, we should call the 9 pollee? 10 A. No. 11 Q. How about and you? DiMisay anything 12 to you about calling the police that maybe what was 13 going on was inappropriate? 14 A. No. 15 Q. All right. So you made another 200 bucks for 16 taking somebody else, right? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Okay. The fourth time now you went, how did 19 it happen that you went a fourth time? 20 A. I just heard about, you know girls going, and 21 then I just needed money and like kept calling me, 22 so then I just decided to go back, but it's hard to 23 distinct from time to time. !just remember like major 24 things that happened when I was there. 25 Q. Okay. The fourth time, you say you needed 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 406 A. Yes. Q. So you go on the fourth time, you go. Who was in the kitchen at the time? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Let me strike that. Was there anyone in the kitchen at the time? MR. HOROWITZ: No, that's not my objection. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Fourth visit MR. HOROWITZ: That is a better question. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. You went to his house the fourth time. correct? A. Yes. Q. You went to the did you always go to the kitchen entrance? A. Yes. Q. Did you ring the bell? A. No. Q. You just walked in? A. I think so, yeah. Q. Was anyone in the kitchen? A. I don't remember exact like lime to time. I just, I remember usually there was a cook in the (561) 832-7500 28 (Pages 403 to 406) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272417-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272417.4621) 103b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-054696fd7921 EFTA01107904 Page 407 Page 409 1 kitchenaape I saw Shairl there. One time 2 1 saw dein there was usually always 3 there. 4 Q. Can you tell me, can you identify the fourth 5 time and what happened at the fourth time? 6 A. I think the fourth time was when he was in the 7 shower and I went up there. 8 Q. So you went up. Dialtake you up or you 9 just !mew how to get up there? 10 A. I think she took me up. 11 Q. Okay. Now this is the fourth time you went. 12 You went one time, you were, you felt the situation 13 completely inappropriate, you were traumatized, you were 14 scared and confused. 15 The next two times you take friends. You 16 explain to them what was going to go on, and they knew, 17 they heard it from other people. 18 Why did you put yourself in a position to go 19 back now a second time yourself after the first 20 experience was traumatic and awful for you? 21 MR. HOROATfZ: Form. 22 THE WITNESS: I don't know, I just, I wanted 23 money. And I mean a lot of my high school 24 girlfriends were going and I thought it was kind of 25 like, you know, getting to be normal almost. And 1 right? 2 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 3 THE WITNESS: Like I said earlier, I just, I 4 was confused. I wasn't thinking. I was young. And a lot of my friends were going and I just 6 started getting more comfortable because my friends 7 were going. It wasn't like he was a mean man. He was like really nice to me, and I mean other than 9 what he did. But I mean I don't know why. 10 BY MR. CRITTON: 11 Q. Okay. Each of the subsequent times, each of 12 the times from the fourth time through the eighth or the 13 tenth time, whatever it was, with the second and third 14 time taking someone else and not you participating, you 15 voluntarily consented to go to Mr. Epstein's home, true? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. And in each instance, when you were asked 18 whether you wanted to come and work, you had to make a 19 decision to say, number one, yes; and then number two, 20 to get in the car and to transport yourself over there? 21 A. lb huh. 22 Q. Yes? 23 A. Yes. 25 toldOX AN right. And in any instance you could have 24 that you had no interest incoming Page 408 1 don't know, I was just young and confused, and so I 2 went there again. 3 BY MR. CRITTON: 4 Q. But had you ever had had you ever put your 5 hand on or near a kitchen — do you have a gas or an 6 electric range? 7 A. Gas. a Q. Okay. Did you ever put your hand too close to 9 the flame and it bums? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Not a pleasant experience, right? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. What's it teach you? Even as a small child, 14 you learn you don't do that again, right? 15 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 16 THE WITNESS: Yes. 17 BY MR. CRITTON: 18 Q. All right. So in this instance you had a very 19 unpleasant experience with Mr. Epstein — 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. — from the first occasion. Traumatic, as 22 you've described it. 23 So why would you put yourself back in that 24 position again? I mean you had a lot of time to think 25 it before you ever went back a second time for yourself. Page 410 1 back to Mr. Epstein's house, correct? 2 A. Yes. She would call me a lot, though. 3 Q. I'm sorry? 4 A. She called me a lot. 5 Q. All you had to do was say don't, do not call 6 me again, correct? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. That's all you had to say? 9 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 10 BY MR. CRITTON: 11 Q. Did you ever al= "Don't call me 12 anymore, I have no interest in coining to your house"? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Okay. Have you ever told someone — my guess 15 is you've told males before who wanted to date you, you 16 have said "Look, I have no interest in dating you, don't 17 call me anymore." You have said that to men, haven't you? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. And my guess is you probably said that to some 21 females over the years, some people that you don't want 22 to associate with if they call you and say "Look, I'm 23 sorry I did this to you. Look, don't call me" 24 You have said that to people, haven't you? 25 A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, 29 (Pages 407 to 410) INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272-617-4627) Mb207446694•464a3-664696fd7921 EFTA01107905 Page 411 1 Q. And you could have said that t•MI could 2 you not? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. All right. But you chose not to for whatever 5 reason, true? 6 A. Uh huh. 7 Q. Yes? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. All right. So the fourth time you go over, 10 you say you saw him, he was in the shower. 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. All right. So what did you do? 13 A. He was just talking to me while he was in the 14 shower. And I think he asked me how school was or 15 something. 16 And he said he needed to take a shower because 17 he just went for a jog, and we were just briefly 18 talking. Then he got out and he grabbed a towel. He 19 was like all naked and just kind of dried off and then 20 asked me if I was ready to do the massage. 21 Q. Were you looking at him when he got out of the 22 shower or did you turn away? 23 A. !saw him naked and then I tamed away. 24 Q. Okay. Did you say anything to him when you 25 say him naked, say "Look, you know, I don't need that"? Page 413 1 Q. Again, you are there. Were all these sessions 2 about a half hour? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. So you massage his feet and his legs again. 5 Is he talking to you? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Does he ever ask you your age? 8 A. No. 9 Q. Do you ever tell him your age? 10 A. I don't think so. I remember telling him I 11 was in high school. 12 Q. You did ever show him your fake IDs? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Did you tell him you had a fake ID? 15 A. No. 16 Q. If he had asked for the ID, you would have 17 given him the fake ID? 18 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 19 THE WITNESS: NO. 20 BY MR. CRITTON: 21 Q. Why not? 22 A. I mean why would I have? 23 Q. Were you concerned at all about your age? 24 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 25 T E WTTNESS: No. Page 412 1 A. I mean no, I was kind of nervous. I was just 2 put in an awkward situation, pretty much. 3 Q. So again, you felt in a very awkward and 4 unoomfortable position? 5 A. Uh huh. 6 Q. Yes? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. All right. Did you say, you know, "I really 9 don't feel like doing this, I don't feel well, I think 10 III go downstairs"? 11 A. No. 12 Q. Okay. I mean you've gotten out of other 13 events in your life, whether it's a party or going out 14 with someone by saying "Look, I don't feel well, I have 15 got a headache, l feel sick," and then you didn't have 16 to go to dinner with the person or didn't have to go 17 out? 18 You have done that before? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. All right. So he puts a towel around himself 21 Does he come over and get on the table then? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Did you start massaging his feet and his legs 24 again? 2 5 A. Yes. Page 414 1 BY MR. CRITTON: 2 Q. So again the fourth time, but the second time 3 you alone, you massage his feet and his legs. 4 What happens? Is it the exact same as the 5 fast occasion? 6 A. No. 7 Q. How is it different? 8 A. It was worse. Like every time it gradually 9 got worse. That was the time when he like grabbed my 10 buttocks and pulled me closer and after the massage, and 11 then he tried grabbing my breasts and asked me to take 12 my shirt off. 13 And I think I always wore like a bathing suit 14 there, and he told me that I had like a nice body and I 15 was pretty. And then he would ask me things, like if l 16 was still a virgin. 17 Q. I'm just talking about the fourth visit now. 18 A. Okay. 19 Q. This all happened on the fourth visit, the 20 second time you were there alone? 21 A. I can't distinct visit to visit. I just 22 remember the fourth until certain big events that 23 happened. 24 Q. You say they got worse and worse. So as of 25 the second time, you say he grabbed your butt again. 30 (Pages 411 to 414) (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) fo302074-4669.4a4d-ac93-e546961d7921 EFTA01107906 Page 415 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And then you said he tried grabbing your or 3 touching your breasts? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Did he? 6 A. I don't lmow if he did it on the tomtit or the 7 fifth time, but eventually, yes, he did. 8 Q. Okay. But on the fourth at least he tried is 9 what you are saying? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. And you described, you felt that this was a 12 worse situation than the first time that you had been 13 there alone? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. All right. Did you feel more scared? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. More anxious? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. And did you feel that his conduct was more 20 inappropriate? 21 A. Yes, 22 Q. And vane you more traumatized because he was 23 more what you perceived to be a little more aggressive? 24 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 25 THE WITNESS: Yes. Page 417 1 Q. And you had your swimsuit on underneath? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Which would have been the top and the bottom? 4 At IA huh, yeah. 5 Q. Your swimsuit, was it a thong or full 6 swimsuit? 7 A. It was like a full swimsuit. 8 Q. Um a two-piece? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. But not like a thong bikini? 11. A. No. 12 Q. So on the fourth time did he masturbate again, 13 or what you perceived to be masturbating? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. And again, under the towel? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. And at the end of the session, at the end of 18 the massage session, were you again anxious, scared, 19 very uncomfortable? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. All right. Felt again traumatized by the 22 events? 23 A. Yes, I felt upset about everything and 24 embarrassed, yeah. 25 Q. And he again paid you 200 bucks? Page 916 1 BY MR. CRITTON: 2 Q. Okay. Did he ask you — did you remove any of 3 your clothing on that visit? This is the second — the 4 fourth time recognizing — I don't want to keep 5 repeating this, but the same you brought and 6 the third time you brou 7 So the fourth time, did you remove any of your 8 clothing? 9 A. 1 remember, I just remember him grabbing my 10 butt and trying to grab my boobs and just like being 11 more rough with me than the first time I went there. 12 I don't know if It was the fourth or the fifth 13 time when I took off my shirt. 14 Q. All right. So whether it was the fourth or 15 the fifth, we'll kind of combine those two, but between 16 the fourth and the fifth, did it get worse from your 17 perspective than two? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Did he ask you to take off your shirt on 20 either let's say on the fifth time? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. And did you have a tank top cm? 23 A. I don't remember exactly what I was wearing. 24 I usually just wear like a skirt and cute shirt, tank 25 top. Page 418 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And when you left that time, you had come 3 alone, so you went home alone, right? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. And did you make a vow to yourself, I'm not 6 going back there again, this was worse than the last 7 time, than the first time when I was there alone, I have 8 no interest in ever going back to this place? 9 A. No. I would wait a little bit again and then 10 just kind of, you know, just wait. And ther would 11 keep calling me again, and then I finally gave in again 12 and went. And I mean yeah. 13 Q. The fifth time, so between the fourth time and 14 the fifth time, how much time transpired? How much time 15 usually transpired between visits? 16 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 17 THE WITNESS: I don't remember, sometimes a 18 week, sometimes a month. 19 BY MR. CRITFON: 20 Q. Were you telling other people, were your 21 Mends aware that you had gone back? 22 A. Just Jane Doe 4, and I dont know if I told 23 Jane Doe 3. 24 Q. Okay. Did you tell them what was going on? 25 A. I don't remember what I told them. (561) 832-7500 31 (Pages 415 to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617.4627) fe3b2074-4669-4a4d-x93.0546961d7921 EFTA01107907 Page 419 1 Q. Well, did the three of you talk about what 2 went on when you were there? 3 A. I mean I don't remember generally. I'm sure 4 we talked about it, but I don't remember what was said. 5 Q. Okay. Did you know or did Jane Doe 4, did she 6 ever mention that he masturbated? 7 A. I don't remember. 8 Q. Did Jane Doe 3 ever tell you that Mr. Epstein 9 masturbated when she was there? 10 A. I don't remember. 11 Q. The fifth time you say you removed your shirt, 12 but you still had your top on. 13 A. Yes. • 14 Q. Did he touch you in any way? 15 A. Yes. He touched my breast. 16 Q. Over your swimsuit? 17 A. Yeah, and tried to reach under it 18 Q. He tried, but he didn't? 19 A. The fifth time he didn't. He just kept trying 20 to grab my breast. 21 Q. Did you tell him not to? 22 A. Youth, I kind of liked pulled away and I was 23 like 1 don't feel comfortable." 24 And he's like "Well, you know, yottve been 25 here before, you should know." He said something like Page 421 1 Q. And he said something to the effect of well. 2 you've been here before. 3 A. (Witness nods head up and down.) 4 Q. And you still moved away from him? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Is that correct? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. All right. So as of the sixth visit, you had 9 tatter' your top off, he had put his hand on your butt and 10 pulled you closer each time; is that true? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. All right. And he tried to touch your breast, 13 but was not successful, correct? That is, under your 14 swimsuit? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And on each of the visits did he masturbate, 17 at least from your perception, under the towel? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. All right. What happened on the — what event 20 occurred next, whether it was the seventh or the last 21 visit, if the last visit was the eighth, what happened 22 next? 23 A. Well, I remember being just like, I took off 24 my bottoms and I was just in a bathing suit. 25 Q. Is this now the last time you went? Page 420 1 that. 2 Q. Did he ever pay you more than S200? 3 A. No. 4 Q. So he ahvays paid you $200? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Okay. Now on that occasion, on the sixth now, 7 you say again — well, were you on the fifth or the 8 sixth? 9 A. They kind of blend together forme, so — 10 Q. On the fifth or the sixth, what happened 11 again — now let's go to the sixth. What happened 12 differently on the sixth than the fifth? 13 MR. HOROWITZ: Form 14 THE WITNESS: I honestly can't remember every 15 visit. I just remember like really the things that 16 stood out. Like it's so painful for me to 17 remember, like I don't know, ifs hard to bring 18 backup, and I just remember the main things that 19 happened. 20 BY MR. CRITTON: 21 Q. Well, at some visit, whether it was the fifth 22 or the sixth, you say he tried to touch your breasts. 23 You moved away from him and said you didn't feel 24 comfortable with that. 25 A. Yes. Page 422 1 A. No, this is around the sixth or the seventh 2 time probably, and I was just in my bathing suit And 3 then he pretty much did the same thing. 4 And then he just kept asking me more like 5 vulgar questions every time and — 6 Q. Vulgar questions? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. Me what? 9 A. Like asked me what I have done with guys and 10 why I was still a virgin. 11 Q. Because you told him that you had done nothing 12 with guys? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Other than kissing, making out? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. I think you testified earlier that you had not 17 had sexual intercourse with a man by then? 18 A. No. 19 Q. And you had not engaged in oral sex, either 20 giving or receiving; is that correct? 21 A- Yes. 22 Q. So you said, whatever question he asked, you 23 said, "I haven't engaged in sex, it was my own choice," 24 right? 25 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. cab (561) 832-7500 32 (Pages 419 to 422) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617-4627) fe3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-e54696td7921 EFTA01107908 Page 423 1 BY MR. CRITTON: 2 Q. Strike that. Did you tell him when he said 3 "Why arc you still a virgin," what did you say? 4 A. I said I hadn't fallen in love yet and 1 was 5 waiting until I found somebody I fell in love with. 6 Q. So you certainly had the presence of mind with 7 other males, males your age or a few years older or 8 younger, my guess is guys had encouraged you to by to 9 have sex with them? 10 MR.11OROWITZ: Form. 11 THE WITNESS: I mean not really. I just, I 12 just, I mean I'm sure guys like hit on tne and this 13 and that, but I've never really been in that 14 position where 1 was with Jeffrey wherel felt so 15 obligated to do things and just like in that 16 situation. 17 BY MR. CRITTON: 18 Q. Ur me ask you this. Before you ever went to 19 Mr. Epstein's house, had you ever been in a position 20 with a boy who tried to get more aggressive than just 21 kissing you, with a male? 22 A. I mean I don't think so. I don't remember. 23 Q. So you're either 15, 16 or 17 when you are 24 going to Mr. Epstein's house, depending on what your 25 interrogatories and what you have told us today and what Page 425 1 BY MR. CRITION: 2 Q. Go ahead. 3 A. I don't remember. Maybe like I, I don't — it 4 was so long ago, I don't remember exactly what happened 5 in high school and what guys, you )(now, tried to touch 6 me or if a guy tried to touch me. Irernernber, of 7 course, I made out with people and, you know. 8 Q. Had you ever tried to touch a guy? 9 A. No. 10 Q. All right. So you are at Mr. Epstein's house. 11 It's now the sixth or the seventh time. You are in a 12 bathing suit. 13 On each occasion you felt that he acted 14 inappropriately, both from a physical standpoint and 15 from a verbal standpoint at this point, right? The 16 questions he was asking you? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. All right. You felt that the questions were 19 becoming more inappropriate? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. And making you more uncomfortable. 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. And you were uncomfortable not only with the 24 questions that he was asking you, but with his actions, 25 that is, in pulling you close to him by putting his hand 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 424 you told the Palm Beach police, whatever that date or whatever that time period was, is it your testimony that no male had, or that you had done nothing with a male other than kissing them? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: While I was going to Jeffrey's? BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Yes, during the torte that you were going to Jeffrey's. MR. HOROWITZ: Fenn. THE WITNESS: Yeah, I was a virgin. I didn't do anything. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. And no guy, no male had ever put his hand on your breast, either on the exterior of your clothes, under your bra; is that what you arc testifying to? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't really remember. It was high school. Fm sure some guy tried to touch me or — BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Had a guy touched you? MR HOROWITZ: Hold on. You are cutting her off. Go ahead. Page 426 1 on your buttocks, right? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. And trying to reach and touch your breast over 4 your swimsuit? 5 A. ' Yes. 6 Q. And again, you felt awkward, scared, nervous, 7 and you felt the situation was weird? 8 A. Yes, but at the same time he was also like 9 very nice to me and would ask me questions and say that 10 he would like get me jobs and he was a good person to 11 know, so I was confused by the whole situation. It was 12 kind of conflicting in my head. 13 Q. You may have had some conflict, but on each 14 occasion when you came away from Mr. Epstein's, 15 certainly as of the sixth or seventh time, you felt that 16 the situation from your perspective was escalating, was 17 getting worse, right? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. And you felt more uncomfortable than you had 20 the first time and with each time thereafter felt 21 equally -- in fact, more uncomfortable? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. And you felt his behavior was more 24 uncomfortable each time? 25 A. Uh huh. (561) 832-7500 33 (Pages 423 to 426) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) fab207446694Md4e93454.96fd7921 EFTA01107909 1 2 3 4 I 5 Page 427 Q. Yes? A. Yes. Q. And so on any of those occasions, whether before you went back on the fifth, the sixth, the seventh or the eighth, all you had to do was tell a I'm not coming, I don't feel comfottable," net 8 A. Yes. 9 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 10 BY MR. CRITTON: 11 Q. You didn't even have to give a reason, all you 12 had to do was say Tm not coming"? 13 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 14 THE WITNESS: Yes. 15 BY MR. CRITION: 16 Q. "Ifs over, I have no interest in corning 17 anymore," true? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. And you could have told Mr. Epstein when you 20 were there and he is asking you these questions that you 21 felt were inappropriate, WI you had to do was say 22 "Jeffrey, I'm never coming back here if you keep asking 23 me questions like that." 24 Did you ever say that? 25 A. I remember telling him something like "I don't Page 429 1 MR. HOROWITZ: Form 2 BY MR. CRITTON: 3 Q. On the eighth time, the next time, what event 4 happened? Is the next time the last tint you were 5 there? 6 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 7 THE WITNESS: Yeah, the last time was the 8 worst. 9 BY MR. CRITTON: 10 Q. Okay. So on the eighth time when you were 11 there, what happened? 12 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 13 THE WITNESS: The last time he I had my 14 shkt off. I had a bra and underwear on, and I 15 gave him a massage. And then that time he was just 16 the most aggressive with me. And that's when be 17 like pulled me close to him and he asked me to take 18 my underwear off, and I said no. 19 And then he tried to grab it and pull it down, 20 and I was like "No, I just don't feel comfortable." 21 And he was Illce "You've been here plenty of 22 times before." And then he — I took my shirt off. 23 And then he was grabbing my breast, and I kept 24 pulling away and he kept grabbing it. 25 And then he just like pulled me closer to him. Page 428 1 feel comfortable telling you about, you know, guys and 2 talking about this," and then he just kept pressuring me 3 and asking me why not. 4 Ink just he's good at talking and he's good 5 at making you feel like you could tell him stuff; and b he's good at like making you feel like it's okay to do 7 stuff. 3 Q. But you knew, you felt it was inappropriate, 9 right? 10 So whether he is trying to make you feel 11 comfortable or not, you in your own mind knew that the 12 questions were very uncomfortable and inappropriate, 13 true? 14 A. Yes, and I told him about it. 15 Q. All right. So seventh time, now you are in 16 your swimsuit, he's asking you more direct questions. 17 You felt even more uncomfortable. 18 Again, be masturbated under the towel? 19 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 20 THE WITNESS: Yes. 21 BY MR. CRITTON: 22 Q. All right. And then you would, he would get 23 up and go take a shower or he would leave the room and 24 you would take your 200 bucks and leave the house? 25 A. Yes. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 430 And that's when he like tried to like reach under my — well, he did reach under my underwear and touch my vagina and he was, like tried fingering me. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. This last time, were you still giving him a massage? A. Well, I was like massaging his chest while he was like doing this. Q. But you were doing the same kind of massage you had done before, you were doing his feet, his legs and then he would turn over? A. Uh huh Q. Ms. jane Doe 7, you say he got a little more aggressive. So did you take off your bra? A. I don't remember. I think he tried to unhook it and pull it down — Q. But you didn't let him do that? A. — and grab my breast. I think he pulled it down. I didn't take it all the way off, but he pulled it down. Q. Did he touch your breast? A. Yes. Q. Both or just one? A. I know he touched one. I think he touched 34 (Pages 427 to 430 G AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTIN Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-6174627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) fe3b2074-4669-434d-ac93-e54696fd7921 EFTA01107910 Page 431 Page 433 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 both. 2 Q. If he was lying on the table, how is he able 3 to do that? 4 A. Touching, Ince going from — this is so 5 embarrassing. 6 Q. With his left hand or with his right hand? MR. HOROWITZ: Take your time. Just try to answer the question as best you can. THE WITNESS: It was with his left hand. BY MR. CRITfON: Q. Okay. So you are saying he pulled down your In and then was able to touch your breast with the same hand that he was pulling your bra down? A. Well, he pulled it down and then grabbed it. Q. When he pulled it down, did you move away from him? A. Yeah, and then he pulled it down again and he was being very aggressive. Q. When he gabbed your bra and pulled it down, why didn't you just move away from him? A. I did move away. Q. Well, why did you ever move back near him then? A. Because he pulled me back near him with his arm. 1 want to tell anybody. 2 Q. That's the last time you went Mr. Epstein's? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. And on that last occasion that you went to his 5 house, when you left, where did you go? 6 A. I don't remember. I think I went home. 7 Q. All right. Did you ever tell anyone about it? 8 A. No. 9 Q. Did you ever tell Jane Doe 47 10 A. I mean Jane Doe 4 is maybe the only person ] 11 ever told. 12 Q. Did you tell her at the time? 13 A. I don't remember. 14 Q. At some point did you tell her? 15 A. I don't remember. 16 Q. So you don't even lmow what you told Jane 17 Doe 4? 18 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 19 THE WITNESS: I don't exactly icn nber what I 20 told Jane Doe 4 why I stopped going, like if I told 21 her everything. I mean I was embarrassed. I 22 didn't want to like share all my details. 23 BY MR. CRITP0N: 24 Q. Did anyone, did Sarah ever call you again to 25 work? Page 432 1 Q. Did you say something to him like "Let me go"? 2 A. Yeah. I said, I just told him, I was like "I 3 just can't do this," like no. I don't remember the 4 exact words I used. 5 And he just made me feel like really stupid 6 and belittled. He was like "You have been here so many 7 times and, you know, you should know like what goes on 8 by now." 9 And then I just felt like in that position 10 where like I just felt like obligated or just like I was 11 just put in that weird position. And then that's when 12 he pulled me closer to him again, and that's when he 13 pulled down my underwear, and then that's when he 14 touched my vagina and tried to finger me. 15 And then after that, I was just, I was like 16 no, Fin done after that. And I was just so, I was fed 17 up with everything. I was like this has gone way too 18 far. 19 Q. Did you tell him that? 20 A. Yeah, I was like fm done. He knew I felt 21 really in shock And then he was like okay, okay. And 22 then he was just mad at me and just like gave me dirty 23 looks and just made me feel stupid. 24 Q. Did you ever call for help? 25 A. No. I mean I was so embarrassed. I didn't Page 434 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. What did you tell her? 3 A. !just like ignored her phone calls. 4 Q. And you could have done that after the very 5 first time you had been at Mr. Epstein's home, true? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. So at least after the eighth visit, you were 8 . able 03 ignore phone calls without a problem at 9 all? 10 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 11 THE WITNESS: Yeah, l was just in shock and 12 over it. And I just felt so embarrassed and like 13 ashamed of myself. And then so that was the last 14 time. 15 MR. HOROWITZ: Critton, it's now 6:30. 16 How far in this tape are we, sir? 17 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Fifty-seven minutes into 18 this tape, sir. 19 MR. HOROWITZ: Tick, tick, tick. 20 ' MR. CRITTON: Let's go off the record for just 21 a minute. 22 711E VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 23 6:29 p.m. 24 (A recess was taken.) 25 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the record (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT-REPORTING AGENCY, 35 (Pages 431 to 434) INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272.617-4627) 103b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93 e54696t(17921 EFTA01107911 Page 435 Page 437 1 at 6:36 p.m. 2 BY MR. CRITTON: 3 Q. Ma'am, the last time that you went, you were 4 at Mr. Epstein's house, did he masturbate or not? A. Yeah, I believe he was masturbating. Well, he 6 was masturbating. I don't know if he finished, 7 because — 8 Q. He climaxed? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. He had the towel over himself again? 11 A. Yes. I mean 1- 12 Q. You always, each time you were there, he had a 13 towel ova himself and you believe that he was 14 masturbating? 15 A. I knew he was masturbating. 16 Q. You )(new it because you could what? 17 A. I could tell by his hand. I could feet it. I 18 know. 19 Q. All right. But you never saw him masturbate, 20 you just saw him doing it under the towel, coned? 21 A. Yes, and I neva wanted to look. rd always 22 look the other way while he was doing it 23 Q. He always had a towel on? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. The only time, if I understood, that you saw 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Anything else in the drawer? A. I don't remember what else was in the drawer. Q. What were you doing in the drawer? A. The drawer was open. Q. And what did the vibrator look like or the massager look like? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: I'm pretty sure it was just white. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Do you know the difference? Have you ever used a vibrator? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: Yeah no, I mean like a massager? BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Well, your lawyer was laughing when I interchanged the massager for the vibrator. MR. HOROWITZ: That's because she called it a vibrator and you are calling it a massager. MR. CRITTON: Well, I'm not sure what it is, so we're going to find out. So you don't have to laugh and nobody else does too. MR. HOROWITZ: I wasn't laughing. Page 436 1 him naked was one timei he got out of the shower before 2 he put a towel around himself? 3 A. I believe so. 4 Q. And if I also understood your testimony, you 5 never took off your swimsuit, nor your bra, nor your 6 underwear at any time, correct? 7 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 8 THE WITNESS: Well, my bra did come like down, 9 but not completely off. 10 BY MR. CRITTON: 11 Q. But you never took it off? 12 A. No. 13 Q. Did he ever ask you to take your bra off? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. And you declined? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Did you ever tell -- strike that. 18 Did he ever use any type of -- he, 19 Mr. Epstein, did he ever have a massage or any kind of 20 what you would have perceived to be a sexual toy? 21 A. Yeah, he had a vibrator, but he never used it 22 with me. 23 Q. How do you know he had one? 24 A. Because Jane Doe 4 and them told me about it 25 and also it was laying right there in the drawer he had. Page 438 1 BY MR. CRITTON: 2 Q. Do you know what the distinction between a 3 massager and a vibrator? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Okay. What do you understand a massager is? 6 A. Massager, I just, I know the difference. I'm 7 not - 8 Q. Okay. What you saw in the drawer, was it a 9 massager or it was a vibrator? 10 A. It looked to me like a vibrator. 11 Q. What did it look like? Describe it, please. 12 A. The one I saw was just white and it had like, 13 I don't know, a big thing on the end that was white. 14 Q. Did it look like something that you would get 15 at like an adult store or did it look like something you 16 would get from Brookstone, or do you know? 17 A. I mean I don't know. I mean I heard he uses 18 that as the, as the vibrator. So I'm assuming that was 19 the vibrator. 20 Q. You heard that from Jane Doe 4? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. From anyone else? 23 A. I don't think so. 24 Q. And as to whether it was a vibrator or a 25 massager, if you purchased it, whether it would be (561) 832-7500 36 (Pages 435 to 438) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) Electronically signed by Rachol Bridge (201-272417-4627) fe7b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-0546961d7921 EFTA01107912 Page 439 1 considered a vibrator or a massager, you don't know; 2 would that be a fair statement? 3 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 4 THE WITNESS: Yes. 5 BY MR. CRITTON: 6 Q. Okay. But he never used that on you, nor did 7 he ever attempt to use that on you, whatever it was, 8 correct? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. That's correct? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Did you ever discuss with your boyfriends, 13 even the long terms, a from 107, '08 and '09, 14 did you ever tell them anything about Mr. Epstein? 15 A. Absolutely not. 16 Q. Okay. You said that you bad flashbacks. 17 Describe what you mean by a flashback. 18 A. Just when somebody would say his name or I 19 would just even hear Jeffrey, just like me being there, 20 the massage table, him in the shower, I would just get 21 flashbacks. 22 Q. You had bad memories of that? 23 A. Yes. Even, sometimes even nobody had to say 24 anything. Like I would just be lilt's in a bad mood or 25 upset and I would just get, you know, just memories or Page .; 1 Q. Okay. 2 A. It was like a really bad dream. 3 Q. Is that the last dream you've had about that 4 separate and apart from the flashbacks? 5 A. I remember having other dreams, but they 6 weren't like as bad. They weren't like, nothing like 7 significant that I could remember. I just ri.nomtber that 8 one, like I woke up crying and felt like I was having a 9 panic attack. 10 A vas, actually it was when I 11 worked I aloon, because I had a dream that lie 12 came there to Visit me. And my parents were there and 13 it was just like a really bad nightmare that I had. 14 Q. Okay. Is that the last time you had a dream 15 about it separate and apart from the flashbacks? 16 A. I mean I've seen him, like I have had dreams, 17 but none that 1 could really remember like 18 significantly. 19 Q. Okay. 20 MR. CRITTON: How about another five minutes 21 and then I'm done. 22 MR. HOROWITZ: Five is fine. You are on the 23 clock. 24 BY MR. CRII7ON: 25 Q. I asked you earlier when's.- culd call Page 440 1 fit 2 Q. Does that happen very often or is that just 3 really if you, if someone brings up the episode, like if 4 you have something to do with this case or you would 5 read about Mr. Epstein, then you would think back of the 6 time that you were there? 7 A. I mean the flashbacks like have always 8 happened. 9 Q. I'm sorry? 10 A. They have always happened, but it gets worse 11 when, you know, I hear about the case or somebody says 12 something to me about it or I have to, you know, talk to 13 somebody about it. 14 Q. Did in terms of have you ever had a dream? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. How often do you have a dream or how many 17 dreams have you ever had about having been at 18 Mr. Epstein? 19 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 20 THE WITNESS: I don't exactly, but I 21 remember one that like stood out really clearly. 22 BY MR. CARTON: 23 Q. How long ago? 24 A. It was about when l was talking to the FBI, so 25 probably about three years ago. (561) 832-7500 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 2 2 23 24 25 Page 442 you, and I think — well, let me strike that. When I asked you earlier, I think you said that Sarah never texted you through the phone, nor did she ever communicate with you over the computer, correct? A. I don't believe, I definitely never had any e-mails or computer, but I don't think she ever texted me. Q. All right. And the only communication sePtrapart from the conversation that you had wi the voice message that she left you when you were with the Palm Beach poilitiagg they wore interviewing you, all other calls f were dealing with could you come or could you bring someone else to come to work? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MIL CRITTON: Q. And you understood that to mean could you come and give Mr. Epstein a massage? MR. HOROWITZ: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. Well, she said -- well, basically, yeah. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. And she never, that i never said to 37 (Pages 439 to 442) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge {201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617.4627) le3b2074.4669-444d-ac93-e54696M7921 EFTA01107913 Page 443 1 you "I want you to come to work to provide sexual 2 services for Mr. Epstein"? 3 She never said that, did she? 4 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 5 THE WITNESS: No. 6 BY MR. CRITTON: 7 Q. All based on what you told me, 8 just told me never attempted to persuade or to 9 induce or to entice you to engage in any sexual conduct 10 with Mr. Epstein during any phone conversation, did she? 11 MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 12 THE WITNESS: Just the massages and basically 13 that. 14 BY MR. CRITTON: 15 Q. Right. And she's the only one who ever called 16 you, true? 17 A. I think so. 18 Q. Has anyone, separate and apart from the 19 allegations you have made in this complaint, has anyone 20 ever attempted to sexually assault you or to rape you? 21 A. No. 22 Q. At any time? Have you ever been attacked by 23 anyone? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Other than your trip to Italy this coming 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 445 Q. Does she work now? A. Yes. Q IS her boyfriends name? A A. a - don't know. . Is that that used to be friends A. No. Q. Different A. Yes, differen Q. Did you know nice A. Yes. Q. Since Jane Doe 4 an' broke up — A. Yes. Q. -- have you seen= at all since then? A. I think I just saw him once when I was downtown. Q Okay. Did you consider him kind of a scary character? Was he someone you were scared of? A. I was never scared of him. !just thought he was, thought he was an asshole. I never really liked him because of what happened with Jane Doe 4. . Did ou ever know Jane Doe 4's boyfriend, Page 444 : 1 summer, any other plans for trips, vacations -- 2 A. No. 3 Q. — when you finish college? 4 A. No. fm just saving up for Italy. 5 Q. Do you plan to stay, when you finish your 6 month in Italy, do you plan to try to save up enough 7 money so you can travel a little bit before you can come 8 to the states? 9 A. I don't think so. llure are certain dates, 10 it's only like a month, and everybody is pretty much n leaving together. 12 Q. Are any of your friends going with you? 13 A. Not — there are just people from school. 14 Q. Okay. I asked you earlier -- this is my last 15 short series. I asked you, you said Jane Doe 4 is your 16 best friend. Who is your next best friend? 17 A. can probablM 18 QM? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Next down the scale from. would be whom? 21 A. J 3. 22 Q. I still in town, in the West Palm Beach 23 area, Palm Beach County? 24 A. Sometimes she's in town became her parents 25 live here, but she lives with her boyfriend in Atlanta. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 446 A. Yes. Q. Nice guy? A. Really nice guy. MR. CRITTON: Okay, that's all I've got. Thuile you. Read? MR. HOROWITZ: We'll read, and we'll take a copy if it's ordered. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the deposition at 6:49. This is the end of the deposition. (Witness excused.) (Deposition was concluded.) .:a•l•teesas•brualtatalr•N•• . • 38 (Pages 443 to 4 4 6) (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-6174627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617.4627) te3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-e54696fd7921 EFTA01107914 Page 447 Page 449 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 1 CERTIFICATE OF OATH 2 STATE OF FLORIDA 3 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 4 5 6 I, the undersigned authority, certify that 7 Jane Doe #7 personally appeared before me and was duly sworn on the 15th day of March, 2010. Witness my hand and official seal this 25th day of March, 2010. Rachel W. Bridge, RMR, 17 Notary Public - State of Florida My Commission Expires: 5/11 18 My Commission No.: DD 607230 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 15 16 17 18 Ftachd W. Bridge. RAIL ad PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY 19 250 Amnion Mama Scud; MI500 W pbecatrinlit 33401 1 DATE: Morn 25, 2010 2 TO. Jaw Dee te7 do Adam Diforowlis, Esq. 3 Parmelstein & Horowio, P.A. 18205 Bivouac Boulevard Sale 2218 Mimi, Florida 33160 5 6 7 The transcript of your deposition taken on 3. 5.10 has been completed and amity reading and 8 sigiung. As recousty ameech the trans* well to finished to you through you, counsel 9 Attend of the ttansonpt youwillfmdas cram sheet As son read your deposition, my dames 10 or met mottos that you wish to make should he noted on the arse sheet Ming page and tine number of said II thane, Onto yea hurt read the transcript and noted any changes, be sure to sign and date the errata Meet and 12 Mtn there pager to me If yet: do not lewd and ogs the deposition 13 within a numonahle time, the original. which has already been formided to the ordering canny, tray be 14 filed with the Ckric of the Court. If re wish to wave your signature, lign you name in the blank at the boom of this Icon and ;duns it to to Sincerely, 20 21 I dobertby waive my swam. 22 23 bee Dan 24 25 !BRE: /ane Doe No. 2 vt. Epstein Page 448 1 2 3 4 5 CERTIFICATE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH Reehd W. Bridge, Certified Realtime Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of 6 Florida at Large, do hereby catify this the aforementioned witness was by me first duly swam to 7 testify the a** truth; that I was authorized to and did report said deposition in stenotype and that the 8 foregoing pages numbered 1 to 446, inclusive, we a true and correct transcription of my shorthand notes of said 9 deposition. 10 1 further certify that said deposition was taken at the time and place beronaberee set forth and 11 that the taking of said deposition was commented and completed as hereirebOVe set Cu. 12 I gather candy that I am not attorney or 13 counsel of any of the parties, nor am 1 a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel of potty connected 14 with the *elite, nor am I financially imerested in the action 15 • The foregoing certification of this transcript 16 does not apply to any reproduction of the urns by any means unless under the direct control and/or direction 17 of the certifying reponer. 18 19 is 25th day of March, 2010. 20 Ilieb acd. Bridge, CRR 21 22 14-). 29 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 450 CERTIFICATE THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing deposition by me given, and that the statements contained herein are true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief; with the exception of any corrections or notations made on the errata shed, if one was executed. Dated this day of 2010. JANE DOE #7 39 (Pages 447 Lo 450) ( 561 ) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272-617-4627) Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201.272.617.4627) fe3b2074-4669-4a4d-ac93-0546961d7921 EFTA01107915 Page 451 ERRATA SHEET 2 IN RR Jane Doe No. 2 vs. Epstein CR: Rachel Bridge 3 DEPOSITION On JANE DOE 47 4 TAKEN: 3-15-10 5 DO NOT WRITEON TRAICCIUFT - ENTER CHANGES HERE 6 PAGER LINER CHANGE REASON 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Please forward the mignui signed c nW 010:1 to this office so that copies may be distributed to ail ponies. 59 Under penalty of perjury. I desist that I have real my 20 deposition and that it is true and ccirect subject to any changes in form or substance entered here. 21 22 DATE: 23 24 SIGNATURE OF DEPONENT: 25 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Rachel Bridge (201-272417-4827) Electronically signed by Rachol Bridge (201.272417.4627) 40 (Page 451) (561) 832-7506 fe3b2074-4889-4a4d-ac93-e54696fd7921 EFTA01107916