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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE 15TH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA
CASE NO. 502009CA040800XXXXMBAG
JEFFREY EPSTEIN,
Plaintiff(s),
vs.
SCOTT ROTHSTEIN, individually,
BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, individually,
and L.M., individually,
Defendant(s).
VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN
January 25, 2012
9:34 a.m. - 10:03 a.m.
SEARCY, DENNEY, SCAROLA, BARNHART & SHIPLEY, PA
2139 Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard
West Palm Beach Florida 33409
Stenographically Reported By:
Tammy Nestor, RPR
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APPEARANCES:
ON BEHALF OF PLAINTIFF:
JACK SCAROLA, ESQUIRE
SEARCY, DENNEY, SCAROLA
BARNHART & SHIPLEY, PA
2139 Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard
West Palm Beach, Florida 33409
ON BEHALF OF DEFENDANT:
CHRISTOPHER E. KNIGHT, ESQUIRE
JOSEPH L. ACKERMAN, JR., ESQUIRE
FOWLER WHITE BURNETT, PA
Espirito Santo Plaza
1395 Brickell Avenue, 14th Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
JACK A. GOLDBERGER, ESQUIRE
ATTERBURY, GOLDBERGER & WEISS, PA
One Clearlake Centre, Suite 1400
250 Australian Avenue South
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
DARREN K. INDYKE, ESQUIRE
301 East 66th Street, #10B
New York, New York 10065
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EXAMINATION:
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By Mr. Scarola
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EXHIBITS
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DESCRIPTION
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Third Amended Complaint in LM v. Epstein
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Today's date is
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January 25, 2012. The time is approximately
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9:34 a.m. This is the videotaped deposition of
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Jeffrey Epstein in the matter of Epstein versus
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Edwards.
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This deposition is being conducted at 2139
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Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard, West Palm Beach,
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Florida.
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The court reporter is Tammy Nestor of
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Phipps Reporting. The videographer is Chris
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Kennedy of Legal Video Services, Inc. in
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association with Phipps Reporting.
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And will the counsel please announce
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appearances for the record.
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MR. SCAROLA: My name is Jack Scarola.
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I'm counsel for Brad Edwards. Brad is also
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present.
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MR. KNIGHT: Christopher Knight on behalf
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of Jeffrey Epstein.
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Jack Goldberger on behalf
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of Jeffrey Epstein.
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MR. INDYKE: Darren Indyke on behalf of
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Jeffrey Epstein.
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MR. ACKERMAN: Joseph Ackerman on behalf
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of Jeffrey Epstein.
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JEFFREY EPSTEIN
Was called as a witness and after being duly sworn on oath was
examined and testified as follows:
EXAMINATION
BY MR. SCAROLA:
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Would you please state your full name and
your current residence address?
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I'm Jeffrey Edward Epstein. And my
residence address is 6100 Red Hook Boulevard in
Virgin Islands.
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Do you maintain any other residences
presently?
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I have vacation homes in New Mexico, Palm
Beach, New York, and Paris.
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Would you give us the address of each,
please.
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Yes. New York is 9 East 71st Street. New
Mexico is Zorro Ranch Road. Paris is 22 Avenue
Foch, F-O-C-H. And where else? Palm Beach is 358
El Brillo Way.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Pardon me, sir.
THE WITNESS: Yes.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Excuse me. Do you have
your mike on? Thanks.
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BY MR. SCAROLA:
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Do you now or have you ever had a sexual
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addiction?
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MR. KNIGHT: I'm going to instruct him not
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to answer the question. That's outside of the
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area of this abuse of process lawsuit.
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And just to let you know, he's here to
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answer all the questions you want relative to
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the abuse of process. The judge has been pretty
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clear relative to the discovery regarding any of
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the prior sexual allegations, et cetera. And
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just so we don't waste your time or our time,
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I'll be consistent on that per what the judge
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has previously discussed regarding discovery.
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MR. SCAROLA: Well, you and I have a very
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different understanding of what the court's
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prior rulings have been. But we'll let the
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court deal with that.
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BY MR. SCAROLA:
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Do you now or have you ever had a sexual
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preference for minors?
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MR. KNIGHT: Same.
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BY MR. SCAROLA:
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Have you ever acted on a sexual preference
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for minors?
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MR. KNIGHT: Same.
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Have you ever informed anyone other than
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your legal counsel that you have a sexual preference
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for minors?
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MR. KNIGHT: Same.
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BY MR. SCAROLA:
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Have you ever informed anyone other than
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your legal counsel that you have acted on a sexual
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preference for minors?
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MR. KNIGHT: Same.
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Have you ever sought or received
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evaluation, counseling, or treatment for any form of
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sexual addiction?
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MR. KNIGHT: Same.
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BY MR. SCAROLA:
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Have you ever sought or received
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evaluation, counseling, or treatment for any
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sex-related issue?
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MR. KNIGHT: Same.
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BY MR. SCAROLA:
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Have you ever retained the services of a
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consultant to assist in changing your public image
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following your arrest on sex-related charges?
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MR. KNIGHT: Same.
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BY MR. SCAROLA:
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Have you ever discussed with anyone
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undertaking an effort to change your public image
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following your arrest for and conviction of a
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sex-related crime?
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MR. KNIGHT: Same.
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Have you ever been convicted of a crime?
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Yes.
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What was the crime of which you were
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convicted?
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Two counts, one soliciting prostitution,
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and procuring a minor for prostitution.
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Did you, in fact, commit those acts?
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MR. GOLDBERGER: I can invoke the Fifth
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Amendment privilege for you or you can invoke
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it yourself. I prefer you invoke the
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privilege.
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THE WITNESS: I'm going to invoke my Fifth
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Amendment right.
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How many times have you solicited for
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prostitution?
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I'm going invoke my Fifth Amendment right.
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How many times have you solicited a minor
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for prostitution?
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Same answer.
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How many times have you solicited for
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prostitution in the State of Florida?
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Same answer.
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How many times have you solicited a minor
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for prostitution in the State of Florida?
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Same answer.
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How many times have you solicited for
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prostitution in the Virgin Islands?
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MR. KNIGHT: Can we stop it here just for
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a second? Can we go off the record for one
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minute?
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 9:39. We
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are going off the record.
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(Thereupon, a discussion was held off the
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record.)
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MR. SCAROLA: I would like you to take it
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down, please.
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MR. KNIGHT: Fine.
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MR. SCAROLA: And we'll go back on the
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record. Thank you.
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Stand by.
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MR. KNIGHT: I'm wondering if you have any
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intention to ask any questions, and you may be,
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any questions outside of this clearly harassing
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area relative to issues that are outside of the
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four corners of the complaint or whether this
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is just going to be a continuance of questions
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of this witness that have no other means of
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advancing this lawsuit but only have means of
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doing other things of which I won't -- I don't
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care to list them here. Do you plan to go into
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other areas?
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MR. SCAROLA: I am -- I am planning on
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taking a very thorough and comprehensive
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deposition of Mr. Epstein.
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MR. KNIGHT: Are you asking -- planning to
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ask any questions that are not sexual or
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criminal in nature?
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MR. SCAROLA: Oh, I'm sure there will be
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many that you would probably not consider
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sexual or criminal in nature, but I don't know.
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MR. KNIGHT: Let's proceed for a little
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while, see what we can do, because certainly we
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have taken the time out to come up here,
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people's schedules have been made, et cetera,
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people have traveled long distances, but we may
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have to quit and go to the court.
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Have your ever solicited for prostitution
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in the Virgin Islands?
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Same answer.
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That is that the -- you are invoking your
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Fifth Amendment --
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Yes.
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-- right?
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Yes, Mr. Scarola.
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Have you ever solicited for prostitution
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in New York?
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Same answer.
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Have you ever solicited for prostitution
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in new Mexico?
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Same answer.
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Have you ever solicited for prostitution
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in Paris?
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Same answer.
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Have you ever solicited for prostitution
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anywhere at any time?
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Same answer.
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Have you ever solicited a minor for
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prostitution anywhere at any time?
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Same answer.
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Who is the prostitute that you solicited
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for prostitution with respect to the claim on which
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you were convicted?
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Same answer.
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Who is the minor that you solicited for
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prostitution with respect to the claim on which you
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pled guilty?
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Same answer.
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Did you, in fact, plead guilty to
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soliciting for prostitution?
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MR. KNIGHT: Asked and answered.
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THE WITNESS: Yes, sir.
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Did you, in fact, plead guilty to
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soliciting a minor for prostitution?
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No.
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Where was it that you solicited for
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prostitution in the manner
in the matter in which
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you pled guilty?
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Same answer.
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When was it that you solicited for
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prostitution in the matter in which you pled guilty?
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Same answer.
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Have you ever discussed your sex-related
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arrest or conviction with any reporter or news media
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representative?
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than to harass him. There are plenty of areas
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you can go into which are reasonable. We are
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MR. SCAROLA: So the objection is
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relevancy, is that correct?
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MR. KNIGHT: No, it goes beyond relevancy.
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MR. SCAROLA: Well, what is it then?
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MR. KNIGHT: Well, it is harassing. It is
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used -- it is being used to intimidate the
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witness. It is being used for various
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different reasons. And I believe it is
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improper.
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Have you ever discussed your sex-related
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activities with minors in the State of Florida with
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any reporter or news media representative?
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MR. KNIGHT: Same instruction. We are
to answer the question.
MR. SCAROLA: And what is the basis of
that instruction?
MR. KNIGHT: What is the basis?
MR. SCAROLA: Yes.
MR. KNIGHT: What does it have to do with
this lawsuit? It's for no other reason other
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going to take a quick break if we can go off
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the record.
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 9:30 --
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instruction not to answer, I do believe it was
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appropriate, but I'm going to have
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Mr. Goldberger address what be believes the --
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is the -- our client is entitled to, but at the
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same time, there are other issues we want to put
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on the record.
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I will allow you to ask more questions, but
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if it's going to stay on this line, we may have
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to adjourn.
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Okay. This is Jack
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Goldberger. A couple issues. First, as to the
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questions that, Mr. Scarola, you asked
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concerning conversations that Mr. Epstein may
(Thereupon, a recess was taken at
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 9:50 a.m.
We are back on the record.
MR. KNIGHT: As I mentioned earlier, we
are here to answer questions relevant to the
lawsuit that is at issue.
Relative to your question earlier and the
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or may not have had with, I believe you couched
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it as news reporters or news media, he would be
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invoking Fifth Amendment privileges as to those
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that line of questioning.
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As to the total line of questioning where
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you are asking Mr. Epstein about sex-related
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issues, as you know, your client, Mr. Edwards,
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has filed a lawsuit in federal court where he is
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seeking to overturn the non-prosecution
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agreement that Mr. Epstein is a party to.
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I believe that you are asking these
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questions in an effort to further Mr. Edwards'
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attempts to set aside that non-prosecution
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agreement, and I think it serves no purpose
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other than to assist your client in that
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lawsuit. And I just think it's totally outside
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the realm of the discovery that is allowed in
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this case. And I'm simply not going to allow my
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client to answer those questions given the fact
questions in addition to the objection raised
by Mr. Knight.
MR. KNIGHT: I'm withdrawing the
instruction.
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he's invoking Fifth Amendment privileges as to
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that your client has filed an action to set
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aside the non-prosecution agreement that
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Mr. Epstein is a party to.
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MR. SCAROLA: Would you please mark this
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as Exhibit No. 1 to this deposition.
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MR. KNIGHT: As soon as you get the
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sticker on it, I'll look at that one.
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(Thereupon, Deposition Exhibit No. 1 was
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marked for identification.)
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Is someone's phone by a
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microphone or in their pocket?
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MR. GOLDBERGER: I am.
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER: If you can put it to
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the side, please.
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MR. GOLDBERGER: I'm all the way over
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here.
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MR. KNIGHT: Mine is off.
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MR. GOLDBERGER: I'll shut it off.
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MR. KNIGHT: Okay. Thank you.
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You have been handed a copy of what's been
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marked as Exhibit No. 1 to this deposition. It is a
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copy of Plaintiff's Third Amended Complaint in a
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case styled LM versus Jeffrey Epstein.
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Have you seen this document before?
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Not to the best of my recollection, no.
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Do you recall having been sued by Bradley
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Edwards on behalf of an individual who was
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identified by the initials LM?
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Yes, sir.
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And is this one of the cases that you
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contend was abusively prosecuted by Bradley Edwards?
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I'm not sure if this is the exact
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complaint.
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Well, is this the case?
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I don't know.
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Which case is it that you contend Bradley
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Edwards abusively prosecuted against you?
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It was the LM case. I don't know if this
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is the specific case.
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Well, I want you to assume that there was
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only one LM case that was filed by Bradley Edwards
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against you.
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That's correct.
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Do you have any recollection that is at
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odds with that assumption?
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Yes, I do.
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You have a recollection that there was, in
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fact, a federal court case as well as a state court
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case, correct?
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Correct.
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All right. Now, is it your --
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I believe that's --
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Is it your contention --
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THE WITNESS: That's all right.
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Is it your contention that Bradley
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MR. KNIGHT: And any time you want to
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finish your answer, please do so.
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THE WITNESS: Sure.
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Is it your contention that Bradley Edwards
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conclusions. Obviously there were lawsuits
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that were raised in this case.
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speaking objection --
abusively prosecuted the state court case on behalf
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I don't know. Sorry.
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Is it your contention that Bradley Edwards
abusively prosecuted the federal court case on
behalf of LM?
MR. KNIGHT: Objection, asks for legal
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MR. KNIGHT: I'm going to object.
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MR. SCAROLA: So if you say you are
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objecting on the basis that it calls for a
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legal conclusion, that's fine. And now I would
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like the witness's answer unless you are
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instructing him not to answer.
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Okay. Then would you please answer the
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I'm sorry. Would you repeat it?
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Yes, sir. Is it your contention that
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Bradley Edwards abusively prosecuted the federal
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court action on behalf of LM?
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Yes, sir.
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How?
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Bradley Edwards filed a 234-count federal
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complaint in conjunction with his partner Scott
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Rothstein to enable his partners at RRA to defraud
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south Florida investors of millions of dollars.
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Mr. Adler have
excuse me, Mr. Rothstein has now in
deposition admitted that they needed to file a complaint to
show investors that there was real action, in
Mr. Rothstein's words, going on in federal court. The
investors had not been able to find a filed complaint and
had complained to Mr. Rothstein that there was no filed
complaints two days, excuse me, before Mr. Edwards filed
the federal complaint for 234.
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Were you ever served with that complaint?
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Not to the best of my recollection.
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So one contention is that Mr. Edwards
abusively prosecuted a federal court action on
behalf of LM with which you were never served,
correct?
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I had -- I was notified that the case was,
in fact, filed.
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But you were never served with the case,
correct?
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I was notified that the case was filed.
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But you were never served with the case,
correct?
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Not to the best of my recollection.
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Okay. What damage did you incur as a
consequence of the filing of a complaint with which
you were never served?
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I incurred many legal -- much legal fees,
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many legal fees, in fact, to try to figure out
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why -- what was going on and, in fact, getting
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prepared to defend the case though I had not yet
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been served.
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Were the allegations in the federal
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complaint on behalf of LM any different than the
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allegations in the state court case on behalf of LM?
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I don't recall.
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Did you, in fact, engage in any sexual
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conduct with LM?
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I'm sorry, but I'm sure -- the jury is
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going to recognize this is simply meant to harass
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me, and I'll have to take the Fifth Amendment since
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your client, Mr. Edwards, is trying to overturn my
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prosecution agreement.
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How many times did you engage in sexual
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conduct with LM?
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I'm going to have to invoke my Fifth
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Amendment right again, sir.
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Do you know who LM is?
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Again I'm going to assert my right.
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MR. KNIGHT: We are going to go off the
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record and take another break.
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 10:00. We
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several occasions that you ask questions that
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are relevant to the lawsuit at bar. There have
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been some questions that were getting to it.
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You are back into the sexual stuff which we
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feel is inappropriate, and also relative to the
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issues that were raised by Mr. Goldberger.
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As such, we are going to recess and ask
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further direction from the court on what is
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allowable and what is not allowable in this
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deposition.
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MR. SCAROLA: So you are terminating the
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deposition at this time?
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MR. KNIGHT: We are recessing the
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deposition to get direction from the court.
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MR. SCAROLA: Until when?
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MR. KNIGHT: We will find out what the
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court says.
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MR. SCAROLA: When? Are you contacting
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the judge right now?
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MR. KNIGHT: I am not. We are going to
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file an appropriate motion and we are going to
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take it to the judge and see what he does.
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Thank you.
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MR. SCAROLA: So that the record is clear,
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it is my intention to ask very specific
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questions about every factual allegation
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included in every claim brought by Mr. Edwards
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on behalf of every victim in every case in
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which it is alleged that Mr. Edwards has
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abusively prosecuted that claim.
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I want to know about the connection between
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Mr. Epstein and each one of those alleged
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victims. I want to know about every individual
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who had information concerning the events that
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are alleged in those complaints, every
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individual who was in a position to have
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possibly had information about the events
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alleged in those complaints.
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I want to ask this witness about every
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person whose deposition was taken and scheduled
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to be taken, the relationship of those persons
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to Mr. Epstein, knowledge that those persons may
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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF BROWARD
I, TAMMY NESTOR, Registered Professional
Reporter, do hereby certify that I was authorized to and
did stenographically report the foregoing deposition of
JEFFREY EPSTEIN, that a review of the transcript was
requested, and that the transcript is a true record of
my stenographic notes
I further certify that I am not a relative,
employee, attorney, or counsel of any of the parties,
nor am I a relative or employee of any of the parties'
attorneys or counsel connected with the action, nor am I
financially interested in the action.
Dated this 25th day of January 2012.
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STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF BROWARD
I, the undersigned authority, certify that
JEFFREY EPSTEIN personally appeared before me and was
duly sworn.
Witness my hand and official seal this 25th
day of January 2012.
Tammy Nestor, Court Reporter
Notary Public, State of Florida
Commission No.: EE 133933
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FOWLER WHITE BURNETT, PA
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ATTN: CHRISTOPHER E. KNIGHT, ESQUIRE
Re: Epstein v Edwards
Case No. 502009CA040800XXXXMBAG
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