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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE
FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN
AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA
CASE NO.502009CA040800XXXXMBAG
JEFFREY EPSTEIN,
Plaintiff,
-vs-
SCOTT ROTHSTEIN, individually,
and BRADLEY J. EDWARDS,
individually,
Defendants.
HEARING BEFORE THE HONORABLE
JUDGE DAVID CROW
Monday, February 4, 2013
9:01 a.m. - 9:18 a.m.
Palm Beach County Courthouse, Courtroom 9C
205 North Dixie Highway
Palm Beach County, Florida
Stenographically Reported By:
Sara Storey, FPR
Florida Professional Reporter
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APPEARANCES:
On behalf of the Plaintiff:
Tonja Haddad, P.A.
315 SE 7th Street
01
BY: TONJA HADDAD, ESQUIRE
On behalf of the Defendants:
Searcy, Denney, Scarola, et al.
2139 Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard
West Palm Beach, FL 33409
BY: JACK SCAROLA, ESQUIRE
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PROCEEDINGS
MS. COLEMAN: Excuse me one moment. I'm
sorry. The first page of that notebook I need to
take out. Can I just grab my -- they're my notes.
THE COURT: I can't read your notes?
MS. COLEMAN: Well, I wouldn't want to give
you my notes without giving a copy to Mr. Scarola,
because that would be inappropriate.
Good morning, Judge. Tonja Haddad --
THE COURT: Let me just stop you and ask you,
is this something I can do on an 8:45, it seems
like a lot?
MS. COLEMAN: No, Your Honor, it's not.
THE COURT: Okay.
MS. COLEMAN: It is my motion on behalf of
Mr. Epstein. And since the date it was filed I
have sent repeated requests to Mr. Scarola's office
asking for a specially set date upon which he was
available to argue our motion.
THE COURT: All right.
MS. COLEMAN: Mr. Scarola refused to provide
us dates and instead unilaterally set it before
this court today. What was originally set before
this court today was an issue related to our
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discovery which I think would be more germane to
the issues since you denied our protective order
last Thursday. There is no way this can be heard
in five minutes without belaboring the point. And
we would respectfully request that since
Mr. Scarola's office is not cooperating that you
would provide a specially-set date upon which we
can argue our Motion to Dismiss in a corporated
memorandum of law.
MR. SCAROLA: May I have my five minutes to
convince you otherwise?
THE COURT: Let me just say, I generally don't
give dates for counsel. I don't get involved in
scheduling. What I generally do is say you
schedule it within a certain period of time, if you
don't I'll schedule it. But Yes, sir.
MR. SCAROLA: Thank you. May I approach the
bench?
THE COURT: Yes, sir.
MR. SCAROLA: Thank you.
Your Honor, this is our fourth amended
complaint. And the fourth amended complaint makes
two changes from the third amended complaint which
was the subject of multiple challenges all of which
were denied. Those two changes appear in the
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wherefore clause as to count one, and the wherefore
clause as to count two. Both of the changes are
identical. The prior complaint said that we
reserved leave to assert a claim for punitive
damages upon satisfying the statutory
prerequisites. The amendment says
counter-plaintiff Edwards, having satisfied the
statutory prerequisites for the assertion of a
claim for punitive damages and having been granted
leave of court to assert such a claim does hereby
also assert a claim for punitive damages. The
factual allegations of this complaint remain
absolutely unchanged from the repeatedly,
unsuccessfully challenged third amended complaint.
The Motion to Dismiss before Your Honor is
nothing more than a motion for a reconsideration of
Your Honor's having granted the leave to assert a
claim for punitive damages. And the concept that
it is necessary after having satisfied the
statutory prerequisites to again argue all of the
same legal issues that are being asserted once more
that have previously been denied and to wait for
special set hearing in order to do that, I suggest
to Your Honor, is simply a transparent attempt at
further delaying getting this 2009 case set for
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trial. That's the reason why I have been insistent
upon dealing with this matter at an 8:45 hearing,
because I firmly believe that when Your Honor takes
a look at this complaint you will find that that is
the only change and it does not warrant a special
set hearing after Your Honor has already granted
leave to amend to assert a claim for punitive
damages.
Just so that it is clear what has happened
here, I have highlighted on both the copy I
provided to Your Honor and the copy for opposing
counsel each of the factual allegations that were
supported by record evidence that allowed Your
Honor to grant leave to assert the claim for
punitive damages. No new factual allegations have
been added to those that formed the basis to assert
the claim for punitive damages to begin with. So
that's the reason why I have asked Your Honor to
deal with this at an 8:45, so that we can finally
get a trial date in this 2009 case.
Thank you, sir.
THE COURT: Yes, ma'am.
MS. COLEMAN: Your Honor, before I respond to
that, respectfully I'm asking am I going to be
compelled to argue my motion in this five minute
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hearing?
THE COURT: Well, I'll tell you what I'm going
to do, I'm going to look at it, so if you want tc,
you know --
MS. COLEMAN: Then I will --
THE COURT: Go ahead.
MS. COLEMAN: Go ahead. I'm sorry.
THE COURT: We got more than five minutes.
MS. COLEMAN: My position is as follows,
respectfully Mr. Scarola's opinion is just that.
His opinion of course of his complaint is that it's
fine, there is nothing wrong. Our position is in
drast contravention to Mr. Scarola's opinion
Th,
law, in our opinion, and as proved by our
voluminous notebook with which you've been
provided -- and for the record, we've provided over
two hundred pages of documentation to Judge Crow in
support of our Motion to Dismiss. The legal
standard for pleading punitive damages under rule
1 -- I'm sorry. I completely lost the paper that 7
was looking at. But the rule to plead special
damages. I believe it's 1.210 or 1.200. It's in
our motion -- requires heightened pleadings. So
by -- just as an example to give Judge Crow, by his
own admission Mr. Scarola has virtually changed
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nothing in his complaint. That assertion by its
very nature clearly goes to the fact that the
complaint has not properly been amended to add a
claim in punitive damages.
And I apologize to the court, the special
pleading requirement statute is 1.120(G) and 768.72
of the Florida statutes, require different
pleading.
THE COURT: So let me stop you and make sure I
understand you. What you're saying is that even
though I may have given permission based upon the
proffer made at the time of the hearing to plead
punitive damages you still have to plead sufficient
ultimate facts to establish punitive damage
liability --
MR. SCAROLA: Yes, Your Honor, and the case
law clearly supports that and based upon my
communications with Mr. Scarola I realized that
this was going to be a problem that could not be
addressed in five minutes. We were going to need
to convince you otherwise, which is again why I'm
requesting that you allow us more time to argue
this, because it's a very important issue,
obviously.
THE COURT: How much time do you need to
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argue?
MS. COLEMAN: I need at least 20 minutes to
argue my point, Judge.
THE COURT: I don't give 40 minute hearings.
I only have 30 minute hearings.
MS. COLEMAN: 15, I can do it in 15.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
MS. COLEMAN: You want me to argue it right
now?
THE COURT: I have 15 minutes.
MS. COLEMAN: I don't have all the case law
with me right now. We were set on a five minute
hearing. I was coming in here to request that you
give us a specially set hearing, Judge. If you're
going to compel me to go forward at this exact
moment --
THE COURT: Is the hearing about the stuff
I've got in front of me? You know, I'm pretty
familiar with the case law in which you've cited
here. These are all standard cases. These are not
unique. And so what I really want to know is what
the factual predicate is for your motion. The case
law is very clear. I understand the case law. I
don't think you got any new case law in here, do
you?
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MS. COLEMAN: Any new case law from what,
Judge? I don't know what's been submitted to you
in the past.
THE COURT: In support of your motion.
MS. COLEMAN: In support of my motion, no, I
filed it on the 18th.
THE COURT: No, I mean, any recent cases that
have changed the law in any manner. There is
nothing new in the case law. What you're really
doing is the case law as it applies to the
allegations of this complaint presumably is what
you're saying.
MS. COLEMAN: Yes, I am, Judge.
THE COURT: Okay. So tell me what's wrong
with this complaint.
MS. COLEMAN: I'm just --
Are you making us do this argument now?
THE COURT: I'm not making you do anything
now. I'm sitting here, I got the thing in front
me. I said maybe we can argue it now. You're
telling me you're not prepared to argue the motion?
Is that what you're saying?
MS. COLEMAN: I was prepared for a five minute
hearing and I'm telling you, yes, I would prefer
to --
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THE COURT: Is it something in addition to
what's in your memorandum that you want to tell me?
MS. COLEMAN: With the case law? No, Judge, I
would like to be forwarded the opportunity to
properly prepare and argue my point. I've been in
your courtroom many, many times as you know --
THE COURT: I'm just asking a simple question.
Is there something more than what you've outlined
very articulately in the memorandum of motion that
you need to argue or can I read it and understand
it?
MS. COLEMAN: I'm confident you can read it
and understand it, Judge, but respectfully, the
last couple of times we've been in here and we have
not been permitted to outlay our argument, for
example, the Motion for Protective Order, which v -
tried to get specially set for 15 minutes and
Mr. Scarola would not agree, we get ruled against.
I'm trying to do my job here. I'm trying to
adequately present my client's position. I feel we
have a very strong Motion to Dismiss. I'm asking
this court to allow us the 15 minutes within which
to argue it and to not permit
I don't know -
I
don't have an --
THE COURT: When will you be ready to argue?
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MS. COLEMAN: You can -- we have a UMC set for
Wednesday morning. If you'd rather set this for
Wednesday I'd be fine with that.
THE COURT: I have got time today, how about
that? I can get my calendar. Will you be prepared
to argue it today?
MS. COLEMAN: Judge, my office is in Broward
and I have depositions set today. I don't know
that I'll be able to do it today, but I'd be happy
to do it Wednesday.
THE COURT: Let's get you scheduled here.
Okay.
MS. COLEMAN: Thank you very much.
THE COURT: Do you have the ability to look
and see what your schedule is like right now?
MR. SCAROLA: I have my phone here.
THE COURT: Are you prepared to do that?
MS. COLEMAN: Yes, sir, I have my calendar
here on my phone.
THE COURT: Go ahead and get your calendars.
Let's get your schedules here. You need 30
minutes. I'm going to go ahead and get it set.
This is one of the older cases on my -- I know
it had some procedural hiccups, but I want to try
and get it to the point where we can --
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Can you do it at 8:00 in the morning? You
generally don't have things scheduled at 8:00 in
the morning.
MS. COLEMAN: Yes, sir, we have done that
before.
MR. SCAROLA: The only day that 8:00 would b,
a problem would be Wednesday, because I'm scheduled
to be on a plane to Tampa Wednesday morning at
7:00.
THE COURT: How about Monday the 11th, 8:00?
MS. COLEMAN: I can do that.
THE COURT: All right. Somebody notice it.
Okay.
MS. COLEMAN: Judge, if you do have the time
now --
THE COURT: We can do it at 8:15, too.
MS. COLEMAN: That's fine. That's fine with
me, Judge.
THE COURT: 8:15. That will be better. 8:15
on Monday February the 11th.
MS. COLEMAN: Thank you, Judge.
If you would like to address one small issue
now that Mr. Scarola and I both agreed if we had
time we would prefer that you address.
You denied our Motion for Protective Order
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last Thursday.
THE COURT: Is there a motion or something?
MS. COLEMAN: It's set on your docket for
Wednesday, but I believe Mr. Scarola said he was
going to bring everything if time permitted.
MR. SCAROLA: I don't have that other file.
THE COURT: Basically, Judge --
MR. SCAROLA: I do have --
MS. COLEMAN: I don't know that we even need a
file for it.
You denied our Motion for Protective Order
last Thursday. You delineated the confidentiality
order that you would like entered in this case and
Mr. Scarola and I are working on different drafts
of that. However, you did not provide in your
order a date upon which our responses, whatever
they may be, to Mr. Scarola's discovery would be
due. So we had agreed 30 days from the date of
your order we offered to Mr. Scarola thinking that
was reasonable, but Mr. Scarola disagreed. So we
would ask you to please give us a date upon which
our responses to his discovery --
THE COURT: I don't remember what the
financial requests were right now.
MS. COLEMAN: Voluminous, over five years of
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documentation.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. SCAROLA: Your Honor, this is the
pecuniary circumstances of discovery relating to
punitive damages.
THE COURT: Right.
MR. SCAROLA: It is already past due. It's
more than 30 days. I had suggested at the time of
the hearing that Your Honor should include a time
for response, because I anticipated this problem
and I requested ten days. There was no time for
response included in the order and opposing counsel
has said I want 30 days from the entry of the order
denying my motion for protective order, which would
give them a total of in excess of 70 days to
respond to this discovery. I believe that that's
entirely inappropriate. The filing of a Motion for
Protective Order does not relieve them of the
obligation to prepare and be ready to submit the
discovery in a timely fashion if the motion is
denied. So my request is that ten days from today,
which is now one week beyond where it was before,
that discovery response be submitted. That's the
request I made.
There is an ancillary issue. And if I :(.1;
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approach, Your Honor?
THE COURT: Sure.
MR. SCAROLA: This is a copy of the order that
Your Honor entered.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. SCAROLA: And Your Honor outlined what you
believed the appropriate terms of a confidentiality
order to be. I drafted a proposed confidentiality
order that exactly tracks the language in Your
Honor's order and I submitted it to opposing
counsel and they have not agreed to that
confidentiality order, which is no surprise,
because it's one more way in which they will
attempt to delay the response to the discovery that
we are seeking. I would ask Your Honor to
simply --
I don't believe that after Your Honor's
already entered the order that outlines all the
confidentiality provisions that another order is
necessary, but you contemplated another order, so I
would ask Your Honor to enter the confidentiality
order that you said would be appropriate.
MS. COLEMAN: Your Honor, I have not even read
that. It was e-mailed on Friday and I e-mailed
Mr. Scarola back right away -- and I can prove this
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if I have to. I haven't had an opportunity to
review it yet, much less send it to my client or my
co-counsels --
THE COURT: Well, what it is is a bullet point
of exactly what I said.
MS. COLEMAN: I understand what it is, Your
Honor, but --
THE COURT: Well, is there something you want
more than in my order?
MS. COLEMAN: I haven't read it. Yes, Judge,
there -- no, I would like to have it say what you
say in your order, but there may be --
This is our protective order, Your Honor.
This is to protect Mr. Epstein, my client. While I
appreciate Mr. Scarola's constant opinions of the
law and what should be submitted, it's my client.
I should at least at a minimum have a right to
review it and edit it if I believe it's necessary.
I'm not adding -- I don't anticipate adding
anything that the court hasn't delineated in its
order, but I think it's incumbent upon me as
counsel of record for Mr. Epstein to at a minimum
be able to review a confidentiality order that's
going to order by Mr. Scarola's own constant words,
a billionaire, to disclose all of his financial
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information absent, you know, something being in
place that we need to review. And especially given
the situation of what's going on in other
litigations between these parties.
THE COURT: Well, I guess what I'm asking
is -- I mean, I outlined everything that I thought
was necessary in my order. And what I'm asking -
certainly you've read my order.
MS. COLEMAN: I've read your order, Judge.
have not read Mr. Scarola's proposed
confidentiality order.
THE COURT: I'm not asking about the
confidentiality order. I'm going to ask you about
my order. What in addition to what I put in the
order would you want?
MS. COLEMAN: Judge, I read your order
Thursday afternoon. I don't remember. I wasn't
prepared to discuss the confidentiality order this
morning. I wasn't told it was going to be heard.
I wasn't told that Mr. Scarola was going to present
you with a copy of what he had drafted.
THE COURT: Okay. I'll get you an order out.
Okay.
MR. SCAROLA: Thank you very much, Your Honcr .
THE COURT: Have a great day.
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MR. SCAROLA: Thanks.
MS. COLEMAN: An order regarding the discovery
due date or --
THE COURT: Yeah. And whether or not I'm
going to require a confidentiality order and, I
mean -- basically -- I mean, I'm looking at my
order and what I -- I couldn't tell you what I was
thinking, but I spelled out everything that I
thought was necessary and only if you thought
something more then I was going to allow you to do
something different, but -- or less.
MS. COLEMAN: Respectfully, Judge, in my
granted less limited experience than Mr. Scarola in
the legal arena, if an issue arises with this
confidentiality order we were trying to place the
burden not on you purportedly drafted the
confidentiality order by nature of your order, but
rather having an agreed to confidentiality order
between the parties that you would merely sign
rather than using your court order and asking you
to rule on exactly what you just said, what you
meant at the time you drafted it.
THE COURT: Okay. I'm not sure what I'm going
to do, but I'll get you an order out here today.
Okay.
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MS. COLEMAN: Thank you, Judge.
MR. SCAROLA: And I would respond to that if I
had any idea at all what she just said. So I have
no response.
THE COURT: Excuse me?
MR. SCAROLA: I said I would respond to that
if I had any idea at all what it is she just said,
but I don't.
THE COURT: Thank you.
MR. SCAROLA: Thank you, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Have a great day.
MR. SCAROLA: And you too, sir.
(Proceedings concluded at 9:18 a.m.)
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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
I, Sara Storey, Florida Professional
Reporter, State of Florida at Large, certify that I wa
authorized to and did stenographically report the
foregoing proceedings and that the transcript, page 1
through 20, is a true and complete record of my
stenographic notes.
Dated this 4th day of February 2013 in Palm
Beach County, Florida.
CA&CA
Ate`cy
Sara Storey,
Florida Professionsij Reporter
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