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</Z3/o" ixict3D-r4 ViltaraiTt\ 3501.000.007 Page I of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090503 EFTA01244755 LAW Or/ ICES Or GERALD B. LEatouirr, P.G. A PROrESSIONAL CORPORATION NEW YORE. NEW YORE 100E1 OE SHEa "`"a r•int A. rrucom•N VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida 500 South Australian Avenue, Suite 400 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Dear Ms. February 23, 2007 Re: Jeffrey Epstein Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. As you know, in advance of last Tuesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. 3501.000-007 Page 2 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090504 EFTA01244756 LAW Orr ICES or GERALD B. LEI:rots-Err, P.C. Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 2 The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore so arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevantl: Tab I: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his genitals; Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in sexual intercourse with him; Tab 3: Not only did Mr. Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr. Epstein would not allow them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection to what occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do so, or both. Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in • many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., some of which we have already previewed in the February I, 2007, letter. 3501.000-007 Page 3 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090505 EFTA01244757 • • • LAW Or fiat Of GERALD B. LErcouRT, P.C. Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 3 • Finally. nursuant to your reauest we have included copies of the full working transcripts of the -ecordings. If you have any questions regarding any of the materials we have provided please feel free to contact us. • • CC: • • • • Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq. 1501.000-007 Page 4 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090506 EFTA01244758 • • • 3501.000-007 Page 5 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090507 EFTA01244759 • RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN • • 3501.000-007 Page 6 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090508 EFTA01244760 DRAFT Page 16 1 and that, I don't know, we just don't talk anymore. 2 3 A 4 which was? and -- 5 A And III I don't know if has ever slept 6 With him. I can't speak for her. But be liked her the 7 most. I don't know why he liked her the most but it was $ always ill'Illisorking for him. And she wouldn't Pat bring 9 girls. Ohs would work for him. 10 Q Now much money do you think she made? 11 A I don't know. She never really -- the first time 12 I brought her she made 200. Alter that I think lobs started 13 making like 300. It's not accurate. Like I can't -- 14 Q The more you do the more you get paid. 15 A Pretty much. 16 Q I know you said that. But -- 17 A Right. I think she made 300 after that I think 1B she started making like 300 19 Q Dose he make the girls touch bin down there? 20 A r don't. know. 21 0 is that part of the message? 22 A It wasn't with me. He never asked me tc touch him 23 ox tondle him. He aver asked as I don't know if he's 24 ever asked the ether girls. It was never really brought up. 2S It WAS always him touching than. 1 3501.000-007 Page 7 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090509 EFTA01244761 • • • • • 3501.000-007 Page 8 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090510 EFTA01244762 RAFT Page 19 1 Q Three hundred. And that .as the last tine you 2 vent? 3 A plods head yes I 4 Q When he touched your breast area, you didn't have 8 e bra on? 6 A I didn't have a bra oa. 7 Q Vet didn't have a bra on. And you buttocks? B A Ch-huh 5 Q Was that over your panties of under your panties: 10 a Like : have a thong on to. 11 0 you hed thongs. Okay All right Did he pull 12 you close to him? 13 A Yeah. 14 Q And all r...nis while he wee mestuxbating? It A (Nods head yes.) 16 Q Cie he have you touch hie.? 17 A HO. 18 Q Aside from the message, touch hiq in his penis 19 area? 20 A Huh-huh. No. 21 Q Did you bring anyone else other -hen -- 22 A 23 0 24 A 2.; 0 Do you know Last rins? 3501.000-007 Page 9 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_0011905 II EFTA01244763 • • Page 1 IN Rin JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVI3li 0? 3501.000-007 Page 10 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090512 EFTA01244764 S • • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 Q A Page S Right They cover enough They don't show too much 3 Q Okay. You messaged him? 4 A Oh•huh. 5 Q Old he try to touch you in any way? 6 A No 7 0 Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 9 vibrators? A No. Huh-huh 10 0 Did he ask you to touch him? 11 A Just to give him a massage. 12 0 I mean 13 A Oh, no. Huh-huh. 14 Q No? 15 A I would have said no anyways That's gross. 16 0 Okay Did he touch himself? 17 A Yeah 18 Q Okay. And I mean, I mean by toucting himself, did 19 he masturbate? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Okay. Co you know if he got to the point where be 22 climaxed? 23 A He did. 24 0 He did. Mee that the only time: yew ever vent? 2S A ens time. 1 1 1 3501.000-007 Page11of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090513 EFTA01244765 • • • • ?age 1 IN KX, JEVYRKY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OP 3501.000-007 Page 12 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090514 EFTA01244766 DRAFT • • • • • Page 12 1 A Okay. My bad 2 Q 1 was writing that quickly, and I was 3 itglekin 4 A Okay. filet's rine. 5 Q All right. was there anybody ever at the house 6 that you provided a massage to aside from Jeffrey? 7 A No. No. 8 0 During tha mabaager,-44khe OenAixyou Co touch" 9 him? 10 A No 11 Q Did be touch himself? 12 A Yes. 13 Q Would he be just touching almeel£ or would he be 14 masturbating? 16 A He mould masturbate. :6 0 Okay. How would you know that the massage was 17 over? 18 A He would come. 19 Q He climaxed? 20 A Yeah. 21 0 Again, I've talked to a lot of girls and so tar 22 everything seems to be in the norm, so that's why I'm saying 23 don't, I know it', a little embarrassing. 24 Did you over meet any other girls that came to the 25 house? 1 3501.000-007 Page130194 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 000905I5 EFTA01244767 • • • • 3501.000-007 Page 14 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090516 EFTA01244768 DIIAFT Page 12 1 0 Did he ever salt-sou-th tough hill? 2 A No. (InaUdible1 I Vela surprised about, that 3 because he never asked but (inaudible). 4 BY DETECTIVE l= 5 Q Okay Cid you ever see him nude? Baked? 6 A I wasn't paying attention, He got in the shower 7 in front of to but I wasn't paying attention. 4 Q £o you can see -- the shower you could tee from 9 the room? 10 A There wad the shower and then he has like a bath 11 If you come up into his bedroom, I don't really remember. 12 but if you coma into his room there's( a shower. AA you come 13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 14 then a massage table right bore And then there was a couch 15 %Ding around right here. And the shower (inaudible) he took 16 a shower and he's like feel comfortable end I was like okay. 17 I don't remember if he asked am to take off my clothes, my 18 cop and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. 19 have bad memory It was a long time ago. 20 0 Okay So if you minted to look, he would have 21 been naked in front of you) you just made it a choice not to 22 look? 23 A Right. 24 BY DETECTIVE 25 0 Okay 3501000-007 Page 15 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090517 EFTA01244769 DRAFT • 1 MP: DetectNe 2 3 EMI • 4 5 MP ID. 98059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch. Es 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15/05. (Inaudible) Nigh Ridge Famly 7 Center, Sable Palm Schoot 8 UNK: Just High Ridge Family Center. 9 MP: Okay, the High Ridge Family Center. Present also Is.. could you state your name 10 please? 11 12 MP' Spell your name please? 13 11 MP' And your date of birth? 15 • 16 MP: And you are? 17 CS Cathy Back. Family Therapist. 18 MP: Could you spell your name please? 19 KB: K-A-T41-Y B-A-C-K. 20 MP: And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 KB' Yes. 22 MP• Okay. I'm here today. and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in 23 reference to an incident that happened to amend of yours, cr a girl you know. Page 1 of 43 3501.000-007 Page 16 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090518 EFTA01244770 MP: Are you lying about anything? 2■ 3 MP. i'll swear on the bible. Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. • 4 I swear to God. 5 MP' Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 6 i\le, because that's about....notNng else about the whole thing. 7 Mr': So that's it. You did not have any kind of sex with him. 8 Neck no!! I will swear on my mother's grave... 9 MP: You know what having sex with somebody means? • 10 Yes, I know what having sex with somebody means. 11 MP" Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 12 ■ At no time did I touch his penis. 13 MR At any time, did he touch you.... 14 At no time... 15 MR Besides putting his hands... • 10 Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 MP: And just so I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 18 Yes, I saw him. 19 MP' Okay. And as far es you think.... 20 I think, I know, wet., I couldn't say I know, but Ws the same noises were being 21 made when he was (inaudible). 22 MP: And that's it. I thank you very much This will conclude the interview. The time 23 now by my watch Is approximately 3:05. Page 43 of 43 3501.000-007 Page 17 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090519 EFTA01244771 • • • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TA?ED INTERVIEW OF Page 1 3501.000-007 Page IA of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090520 EFTA01244772 • • 1 A Yeah. 1)1IAFT Page 6 2 • Q Ckay. 5 a massage. Q Well. no. :t was the second time that I gave him The first time i went up with Okay. You wont uostairs with 6 A No, T was in the kitchen. 7 Q You were In the kitchen That was -- you only had 0 two times that you went matte? 9 A Yeah. 10 Q the f_rst tine you didn't do anything but just stt 11 in the kitchen? 12 A Yeah. 13 Q Whc did you sic in the kitchen with? 14 A He had a CODA that was there and he had -- there 15 was -ike two other girls there that :Ave with him. 16 Q Okay. Did yeti message hi.s back? was he naked 17 when yo..: were massaging his? 10 A Well, he had like a towel around his his Jpper 19 was (inaudible) but ne had like a towel around him. 20 Q Okay. Did he over romovo that towel? 21. A No. 22 Q When you were massaging him he never removed tna 23 Lowe:? 24 A Nu. 25 Q Okay,' estaryo 6"14 .0 *C0.4* 3501.000-007 Page 19 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090521 EFTA01244773 1 private area? DRAFT 2 A No, No. I wouldn't do that. Page 7 3 Q You wouldn't do that? 4 Okay. Did he touch you in your private area? b A No. Ko. 6 0 No. 7 A He kept like staring at re and like, I don't know, 3 1 just felt uncomfortable and I _e±t. aut I heard othar 9 stories that like -- 10 Q Niuhi I'm concerned with you. I know aboat 11 other stories and I've interviewed other people have told me 12 different things. That's why C's trying to find oat what 13 happened to you. Okay? 14 A Oh-huh. 15 Q You're the victim in than so that's why I'm trying 16 to find out what happens to you 17 A Oh-huh. 18 0 Okay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 19 A This 4711-1 that lives with him. 20 Q Okay. So ■ took you ap? 21 A Yes. 22 Q Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 23 A Nth-huh. There's a massage table and she jest 24 laid a tows,: down and she said that Jeffrey will be ott Co/ 25 This massage. 3501.000-007 Page 20 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090522 EFTA01244774 2 • • 3501.000-007 Page 21 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090523 EFTA01244775 DRAFT 1 MP: Detective Michele Pagan 2 3 KB: Kathy Back 4 MP ID. 98059. reference case number 05-368. The tine now, by my watch, is • • approximately 8 minutes past 2pm on 3/15/05. (Inaudible) High Ridge Family 7 Center. Sable Palm School 8 UNK Just High Ridge Family Center. 9 MP: Okay, the High Ridge Family Center. Present also is.. could yOU state your name 10 plane? 11 12 MP' Spell your name please? 13 14 MP- And your date of birth? 15 18 MP: And you are? 17 CB Cathy Back. Family Therapist. 18 MP. Could you spell your name please? 19 KB: K-A-T-H-V B-A-C-K. 20 MP' And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 KB* Yes. 22 MP Okay. I'm here bday; M, and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, o' a girl you Know. Page 1 of 43 3501.000-007 Page 22 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090524 EFTA01244776 DRAFT • I MP: Are you lying about anything? 2 ■ No. IS swear on the bible. 3 MP: Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enuugh forme. 4 swear lo GOO. 5 MPS Okay. Is there anything else you'd ike to talk tome about? 6 ■ No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 7 MP: .:SO"'Ings!t• Yeltr0M no' ISYtiai19:"Mqiiiiiikm y :144-4 - .(wi-fv.,fi: : 8 keek.no!I twiil sweaA corny meineestrave...: Y • 9 &Of • tOb' Mori vfffahhairinittex Othio.rnebociy:Meiintigi'; , 10 Yes. I know what hiving SenWith somebody tneani- 4.1 11 MP: Okay. You. at ix) time. touched his penis? 12 At no time did I buch his penis. 13 MP- At any time. did he touch you 14 ■ At no time... 15 MP: Besides putting his hands... 16 ■ Besides that. no times did he touch me. 17 SAP- And just so I can be sure, you sew him whacking off once. 18 Yes, I saw him. 19 MP: Okay. And as far as you think... 20 I Think. I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same notes were being 21 made when he was (inaudible). 22 FAR And that's ft. I thank you very much. ThIs WO conclude the Interview. The tine 23 now by my watch is approximately 3:05 Page 43 of 43 3501.000-007 Page 23 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090525 EFTA01244777 • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIRDOTAFED INTERVIEW OF r, roc 3501.000-007 Page 24 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090526 EFTA01244778 DRAFT • • • • Page 21 1 A (Shaken head no.) 2 C Okay. ?hip CS3t it baniaally on irrestigation, on 3 ape,. investigation, so r Apprecia7e it Nast we discuss stays 4 her0. Okay? S A JP,-huh. 6 D Don't tell anybody ltat wa, lost we talked. Okay? 7 A Okay. 9 Q A Did you.erer hhve-any.inteiceurse with !flea No. , 10 Q NC oral? 11 A (Shakos head no.) 12 Q nothing? 13 A rattling else. 14 0 May. Pm going to show you s group of 15 photographs I'm going to show you a group of six :6 photographs. Okay? I'm trying, trying to ace if this 17 is it these six photos Okay? it's important that you look 16 at ail nix or them Ltd be sure who you pick as the parson as 19 Okay? She may or nay not be in those six photos but 20 it's important for you to plot the right nne. *key? 21 A :3h-huh 22 Q Take your time looking at thine six photos there. 23 A I don't see her, 0 She', not it those photos theme? 25 A No 3501.000-007 Page 25 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090527 EFTA01244779 • • • • • • • • • 3501.000-007 Page 26 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090528 EFTA01244780 • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 MP: Defective Michele Pagan KB: Kathy Back MP #8059, relerence case number05-368. The tine now, by my watch. to 6 aPProxinelely 6 minutes past 2pm on 3:15/05. onsudible) High Ridge Fatly • 7 Center, Sable Palm Scholl. 8 1.194K: Just High Rklge FamllyCenter. 9 MP: Okay, the High Ridge Family Center. Present also Is.. could you stale your name • 1.) 12 MP: Spell your name please? 13 14 Mr And your date of birth? 15 • 18 MP And you are? 17 CB Cathy Back. Family Therapist. 18 MP: Cola you spell you name please? 19 KB: K-A-T-H-Y • 20 Mr. And you're her family therapist? Am I coned? 21 KB' Yes. 22 MP: Okay. Ern here today■and I have staled &lefty why I'm here Is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a fnend of Yours. 0' a Ohl YOU 1010w. Page 1 of 43 • 3501.000-007 Page 27 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090529 EFTA01244781 • DRAFT MP: Okay. After everything was done. okay did he watch you gel dressed? 2 ■ NO. Cease I was Deena dressed while he was out there getting the E300. I • 3 guess that's what he was doing. That's de on'y thing he Came beck In with. le 4 was still in a towel and stuff. 5 MPi In lie roan, at all, do you think ..and I don't know if there is or not. but do you 6 think there is anything in there that may have recorded what you did? 7 M Oh my gosh.... 8 MP: A video camera... a . Oh my gosh. I didn't think about that. There was lots of pieces there oould have 12 been one because there's pick:res, that mold have been, dont know . i t MP: When he walked out.. the reason why I ask is because he walked Out once and '2 then creme back In, richr '3 Yea. 14 MP: SO k Could be Just SO ho coukt whack off. I was just curious. I don'. know if to there is or not 18 ■ if there was. I did not know about It • 17 MP: Okay. So you get dressed. you go downstairs Wise is %al woman toein? 18 . Downstairs taking to Mani the other gin 19 MP. Okay. 20 MI They were having a conversation 21 MP. Okay Ai any time. did he speak to you or does he know how old you are. did he 22 know how od you were? 23 y. Yes. And. as a matter of fact.. told meto say I was 18•.because eke Page 38 cf 43 3501.000-007 Page 28 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090530 EFTA01244782 DRAFT 1 id tell him you'll is bdt'atis if yetire not. newontlet ythaeles.house 2 So I saki he was MS M I waiugifree massage he Wes Okra how ofd are- • 3 you. And then in/41M But•tkinded *Odd malty-far because I dein't wanttu 4 make a sound Illte1 was lying eianYthhg. S MP- So whet other things did he ask you? 6 Um. how I know. what school I wont to. 7 MP• Old you tell him what school you went to? a ■ Yeah but I told him-Weltngton. 1000 Stare Royet.Palin. MP Oki he a you skid cinideLyou ssensketeilit yoU telt Nm-Whit Wide you nekre 10 In? 11 ■ Yeah. he was Ilke whet gradeare.yOu In? Because-I told him I was In 12" Veda '2 stll. 13 PAP: Okay. 4A ■ Because I !Ole him I watt° so I hed to... 15 MP: So you told him you were in 12" grade? Yee. 17 MP: Are you sum? 18 ■ Yes 19 MP- Okay. What else lid you talk about? 20 ■ Urn. that's about it. And he was kind of es king me like how I knew. is 21 Woe to me end then he told me how he knew. end he wee like.. I was 22 kind of like, how do you kno. Cause I brought te the ccovereation. He • 23 said well I knoMbeceuee she's been working for ma fora long timo. And Page 30ot 43 • 3501.000-007 Page 29 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090531 EFTA01244783 • 3501.000-007 Page 30 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090532 EFTA01244784 DRAFT Page 9 • • 1 BY DETECTIVE 2 Q You said be used the vibrator but where did be use 3 it? Micro did he touch you with it? 4 A Tn wy lever area 5 Q Your lower ana? Below your waist? 6 A (Inaudible.) 7 BY DETECTIVE e Q Okay. tow long did he keep the vibrator on? 9 A A few seconds Nei long It wasn't Long. 10 Q Okay. Did you tell him you didn't like that or -- 11 A No. I told his -- I didn't tell tie no and I 12 didn't tell hiss that I wasn't contestable I wasn't 13 comfortable but T didn't tell bin that Mel like I said, I 14 made the money that day se. 15 Q Did yin: guys distance enysbing? 16 A Nub-huh 17 2 Did ha ask you your Age) 10 A Yeah. I toldhimIsea 18 19 Q You told hie you vets 18? Okay. Did he want you 20 to come back? 21 A Be said he would lave if I ease back OOMatiMO but 22 I never went back. 23 Q You never went book. You only went on time 24 What was Yolanda and Vanessa doing when you were 25 apetalre? I I 3501.000-007 Page 31 of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090533 EFTA01244785 • • 9. TN FP: .1115FREY Et•SILIN DRAFT VI nlq,;17,051, :N:612ViEW 01" I 3501 000-007 Page 32 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090534 EFTA01244786 • • • DRAFT Page 12 or ho dlde•c ears? 2 a I don't think he mired. Vs told re 3 the better. 4 0 the younger the hector, all right 5 • Pretty inch that's bow it worked Rs didn't 6 let se just pet it this way, be -- I tried to bring hie. I 7 tried to billow hies woman lobo sea 13 and he didn't really e like it 9 Q Rs didn't go for tel 10 A It's not that ha didn't go for it. It'e just that It be didn't ears for it And hs like. the 91t1s that are 12 between the ages of Ilk. Is and 20 13 Q Okay 18 A But mostly the girls I -- think seed of them lie 15 about their age. I know that when L started oft young 26 think he know better to be:lover* I think ks know that I 17 as younger, like 37, bit I told tin■ that I vas like II le Q Okay 19 A Mose-of the girls lied when they 90 in there. 20 42 Right because she was II.. 21 A rah. 'bet ot that betters lied. 22 0 nos do you contact him? now do you know when he's 23 in town and stuff like that' 21 A sells we 25 0 Oh, ells you7 the Younger 3501.000-007 Page 33 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090535 EFTA01244787 Pagel IN REt ..7EFrREY EPSTEIN • DRAFT VTRTATAPED INTERVIPX Or • 3501.000-007 Page34of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090536 EFTA01244788 Pegs 14 1 A tech $'.00 mole just to take my shirt otf. 2 Q Okay. And you said you didn't do 3 A No. 4 Q Okay. std he masturbste or the seeene tine^ 5 A Yeab. 6 g And d_d he, ever clLaos? 7 A Actually tne second tiro like it wacnsl that bad 8 brieaise he was like on the phone all the time and so he 9 wasn't paying attention to what we: going on 10 Q Did he ever at any point masturbate the second 11 tie*? 12 A we. wot that I remember 13 Q C16 he ever ask yor any :Noer/Ona or speak to you 14 cx aaa you anything? :5 A Well, he tiled to talk vo yet just to nako you 16 con£ortable with the situit1On like wee-e in you work and 17 like how such do you make of your work and then he start. 18 aityLog you ode ma.ce more with no, tut t didn't reel /Ito St 19 was right. 20 Q Did he ever know your real age? 21 A After c while like because acembndy raid rut 22 0 Trot you wet: -- 23 A Yeah. 24 : 25 tole US. we were surttoeted 'to nay we 3501.000-007 Page 35 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090537 EFTA01244789 Page 15 I were CO 2 C Arc who to.d you that to say that' 3 ■ 4 Q 5 A was the one wno brought everything to 6 emetyote at school That's 'icy WO know annut it Then she 7 took and took ae a Q Okay. So *soh time you did go, did 9 foamy tar taking you or -- 10 A Wall, get se, with me twice I glass. And that 11 was it. Thou I wit w_th 12 Q Okay. And did she make =nay? Did -kc 17 annoy for taking you to him? .4 A No, I was taking her. Oh. you ware taking het So you brought -- 16 A She knew about it and !de ask me it I could tall 77 her because she didn't know were it was But I didn't get .8 nosey Oct Of that, 19 Q Okay. Lid anybody ever help you do a massage 2c `.:ist? 21 . A No.■ A asked ma la do it with Mr and i didn't 22 Cool comfortable 23 0 All vIght. All right Isik to at eboat the third 21 tin you want. 25 A 1 don't remember :t was like kind of always -- 9 3501.000-007 Page 36 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090538 EFTA01244790 • • DRAFT :NTURVIT4 OF Fag^ 1 3501.000-007 Page 37 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090539 EFTA01244791 DRAFT Page 13 1 A Ka cane. 2 0 Okay. 3 A eareuas he was like. nods a big sigh of relief 4 like he had been dons and he jugs! got right back up and -- 5 Q Do you know where he nee on? Was it on the 6 towel? Was it an hinself? On the bed or -- 7 A I think it was on ;be towel like elide between his 8 legs probably. 9 0 Okay. AA I told you before and I explained to le you` mom, what he did was wrong, okay? 11 A Wh-hub. 12 Q I want to reassure you on that. Okay? 13 At any point did he ever link you to leave your 14 phone number or -- 15 A Eo Ws didn't ask no for anything like I think 16 be asked as my nave in the beginning 17 0 Did he know your age? 18 A I don't think ha did. I think be did. 19 Downstairs was like oh, well, Li.thSe ask you how 20 old are you just may you're 14 but be newer asked me boo old 21 I was. 22 0 Okay, 23 A I thought you had to be a.e4;taie age to snows 24 someone. 25 0 Do you have any formal massage training, 3501.000-007 Page 38 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090540 EFTA01244792 ?age 1 IN NV.: JEFFREY EPSTELE DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEN OP 3501.000-107 Page 39 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090541 EFTA01244793 DRAFT 3 Page 1 Q Ckay All right When you would go hook and do 2 the maenads, wou:4 it, would it maintain tea same or were 3 more thing. -- 4 A Well, no I WNW I would take my liana Off I lot 5 of times or whatever but that was that. I cever slept with 6 him. I never did anything to bin. Nothing like that 7 (1 Okay Im it sate to scum that you provided the nasaage wearing only panties? 9 A Yee. 10 0 Okay. During the massage chat you gave him, did 11 he ever Couch you? 12 A Like I moan be would like touch my hip or wbetevec 13 but I mean that, that'. really It 14 o okay. 15 A And if I ever like asked, if 1 ever said I wasn't 16 Comfortable with it, he's like or I dean went you to touch 17 me, he'd be like fine. (Inaudible.i lA C ic:1 this all occurred when you were la though. 1g right? 2u A un-hub. I bad bean 10 for like eight months, nine 21 months already. My airlasayis in aloe co 1 had boon 18 for 22 a 23 Okay. You're 19 now though right? 24 A VOS. 25 0 it was about a year ago when you met him, 9 1 3501.000-007 Page40of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090542 EFTA01244794 • . • • IN RE, JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW 0' PRO. 3501.000-007 Page 41 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090543 EFTA01244795 DRAFT Page I • • • 1 that's Lt I lust told him -- 2 Q did be come up hers or did you net with Ian in 3 Florida? 4 I HO came up twee. Q Oh, be cane up here? 6 A Yeah. 7 Q He set you right home? A Not here Idi/Svcwant to meet. I met tam at 9 Wal-Wart and I just -- he just kept asking as questions that 10 I didn't know the answer to so 11 Q Was be an investigator? Was he at attorney? 12 A I don't know. I don't chink be was an attorney 13 because be kept saying the information he's getting Iron its 14 fa going to go to Jeff'e attorney so t don't think he NW an 15 attorney. 16 BY OSMOTIC? DAIMON: 17 0 What kind of questions vas he asking? If the 1$ policy were involved? 19 A Yeah If -- how the police got ievolved I said 20 1 don't know What kind of questions they were asking I 23 said I don't know because I haven't been questioned yet. 22 And just like bow old I was whew I went there and basically 23 like you guys are aeking what I did when I went there 24 SY OBT2211V2 25 Q Now how old were you when you first started going 3501.000-007 Page 42 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090544 EFTA01244796 DRAFT • • 1 there? A ighEifsn. 1.1 19 ehaleAt Siren. 3 0 march of '03, right? 4 A 7eah. And : turned 19 (inaudible) 5 Q And did ho question Smith at the seise time? 6 A Did the guy? No. 7 Q Did as ever? 8 A No. said ehe didn't want to 9 Q Okay. And he said he sma a representative of 10 Jeffrey Epstein? 11 A Yes. 12 0 Did he call you ur did Jaffrey or 13 A No. he called me. This is the number. it's 14 15 Q Uh-huh. 16 17 Q Okay. When was this you mot him? 16 A Like two, three -- it was Friday or Saturday 19 Q Did he come by himself? 2D A Yeah. 21 Q Did he tape the conversation? 22 A No He asked me if be could. I said no. 23 NY DRIIICTIVE 24 0 Okay. If he reached out to you again, lust give 26 him my number and have him mill me. 3501.000-007 Page 43 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090545 EFTA01244797 • • • • • 3501.000-007 Page 44 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090546 EFTA01244798 DRAFT • • • 1 A All I had raa my underwear. Page 5 2 0 Suet paneled? 3 A Yes. 4 0 No bre? 5 A No 6 0 bray row old are you nowy You're a. 7 A 20. 6 Q You're 20 So a couple :Oaths ago you wet:Adhere 9 De.° what, LO? 10 A Yeah. 11 Q Nell, your birthday is it August. 12 A 0h-huh. 13 Q All right 3o July, Auqust you %tante have boom 14 ,S, 2C r's the verge of 25? .h A 0h-huh. 16 Q So west else happened when you provided him the 17 massage? 16 A that's plat .t. Ho had a towel over hie private 19 parts and he was just 'eying on the table add I was just 20 messaging free his kneed doom CO. &butt 45 minutes and she 21 said all : had to do was give ?Ile% a massage for en bout so 22 theta what I did. And then like teL mutes before we wore 23 getting ready to leave, he asked her to !ewer heceuey we were 24 I. the zoom tdeether end ail I has to de wee maeasse htt 25 chest and that's it. He had the towel en Han end about five 3501.000-007 Page 45 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090547 EFTA01244799 • • • I1 R.E. JEDD;..131' 7nqe 1 DRAFT IN'.142VIEW OP 3501.000-007 Page 46 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090548 EFTA01244800 Page 5 sight want to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then 2 he asked r.e about what : wanted to do when I grew up and 3 stuff like that and 1 asked him what he did and he said he 4 was like a scientist basically. 5 0 dhiy. :00 tie Ever ask jyou ileily014; you ware'?" 6 :0404h.t‘ki.((1 1,1P,:;)/ li‘ttan"..s-'$';WW14(,t1 ,i) 7 Q NO: Ord 14- Itkow% tliat‘isTiAt We'it• 1.37i a. '.• •: ' ? 9 A ill), I don't. think so, Q Well it wou:d have been 16 if it was a year ago, 10 right? 11 A Well it like was almost a year aro. (Inaudible) 12 1.1. 13 0 Okay. During the massage did you -- were you 14 raked or -- 15 A No i had my clothes on. 16 0 You had all your clothes on? 17 A Oh-huh. 18 Q Okay. Did he touch you in any way? 19 A He was like kind of like leaning towards it but I 20 was like you could tell I was shy so I think that's why he 21 didn't try. But I heard about other girls that he -- that 22 he got flirtatious with them and he made them take off their 23 clothes and stuff. 24 Q Okay. What that was the first time you went, 25 right? fi fi 3501.0(10-007 Page 47 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090549 EFTA01244801 • • • • • • • 3501.000-007 Page 48 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090550 EFTA01244802 Page 1 :N RE: JEFFREY EPETE:N • DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF • 3501.000-007 Page49of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090551 EFTA01244803 DRAFT Page 6 • • • • • 1 Q One time. How much did he pay you for that? 2 A 3300. 3 Q Okay. All right. He never -- was there ever a 4 time you felt uncomfortable? 5 A No. Like I'm very comfortable with like he asked 6 me that too and he's like are you uncomfortable and like as 7 weird as it sounds I'm very comfortable with myself so like 8 it didn't really bother me. And I needed the money so, you 9 know, my boyfriend and I were having a hard time so I did IC what I had to do, you know? 11 Q I understand. I understand. That was the only 12 time you ever went? 13 A One time. And I think I dropped her off once and 14 got her an hour later when her car was down or something. 15 Q Okay. And -- 16 A He had like a massage room, like a bed and like he 17 has this -- 18 Q Massage bed or like a bed bed? 19 A No, like a massage bed. Uh-huh. A massage bed. 20 Q Okay. And where was this? What part of the house 21 was this? 22 A His house is massive. We went in through the 23 kitchen, up the stairs around, so it was like I guess 24 towards the front on like the second floor maybe. Maybe 25 over the pool or something like that. 3501.000-007 Page 50 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090552 EFTA01244804 • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT • VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF 3501.000-007 Page 5I of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090553 EFTA01244805 DI • • • • 1 5 6 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 2C 21 22 23 24 2e Page 9 Q Okay. All right. When you would go back and do the massage, would it, would it maintain the same or were more things -- A Well, no. I mean I would take my jeans off a lot of times or whatever but that was that. I never slept with him. I never did anything to him. Nothing like that. Q Okay. Is it safe to assume that you provided the massage wearing only panties? A Yes. Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did he ever touch you? A Like I mean he would like touch my hip or whatever but I mean that, that's really it. • Okay. A And if I ever like asked, if I ever said I wasn't comfortable with it, he's like or I don't want you to touch me, he'd be like fine. (Inaudible.) Q And this all occurred when you were 18 though, right? A Uh-huh. I had been 18 for like eight months, nine months already. My birthday's in June so I had been 18 for a while. Q Okay. You're 19 now though right.? A Yes. Yes. Q It was about a year ago when you met him. 3501.000-007 Page 52 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00090554 EFTA01244806 3501.000-007 Page 53 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090555 EFTA01244807 • • • • 0 • • • • DRAFT Page 14 want to tell you any wrong information. 2 Q Okay. That's fine. 3 A But I don't -- 4 Q That's fine. You have not had any contact with 5 6 A No. Only thing I know of her is that 1 guess 9 she's working at (inaudible) now. Q Did you ever leave your phone number for him to call you? 10 A No. He never had my number and T never had his 11 number. 12 Q Okay. 13 A He'd call through 14 0 He'd go through And you never gave 19 any money? 16 A Huh-huh. 17 Q Okay. 18 BY DETECTIVE DAWSON: 19 Q Were you afraid when you were in there? 20 A I wasn't afraid. I guess I should have been 21 (inaudible) but I wasn't afraid but I wasn't very 22 comfortable. 23 O Were you afraid to say no to anything? 24 A No. I could have said no but at that time I was 25 in debt. I was in a lot of debt and I needed that money and 1 3501.000-007 Page 54 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFIA_00090556 EFTA01244808 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT • • VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF 3501.000-007 Page 55 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090557 EFTA01244809 • 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 1$ 19 20 2. 22 23 24 25 DRAFT Page 15 Jeffrey's. 2 0 Okay. Obviously this is an ongoing investigation. 3 I would appreciate it if anybody does call you from the 4 house to try to find out information or ask you questions about what if the police have contacted you, I would 6 appreciate it if you called me. You have my card, right? 7 A I have it somewhere. I'm not sure what I did with it though to be honest. 9 Q Okay. A Thank you. Q Okay. Just a few more questions. When you had intercourse, obviously that was consensual? A 0 anything A Q went once. Q Q Q Uh-huh. Okay. He's never forced himself or forced on you? No. Did you bring anyone to the house? Yes. i brought two people but each of them only Okay. A girl named Uh-huh. And a girl named And? Who were those people? 1 3501.000-007 Page 56 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090558 EFTA01244810 • • • w Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF 3501.000-007 Page 57 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090559 EFTA01244811 1 2 1 4 5 6 7 a 9 le 1: 12 13 19 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DRAFT Page 5 But I haven't because I haven't known him that long. Q Okay. Your first time you went you just sat in the kitchen and waited for correct? A Uh-huh. Yeah. Plus he wanted to meet me. Q Okay. As you've gone, tell me has anything escalated from just a massage? A No. Like the first time I went, I waited. The second time I went, I stayed in all my clothes and like gave him a massage. And then I think it was probably the third time I went he asked me if I'd like to get like more naked or whatever and I said no. I just didn't feel comfortable. After that he never asked me anything that made me feel uncomfortable. Q Do you give the massage in your undergarments? A No. Q Completely clothed? A Completely clothed, yeah. Q Okay. A I mean he's asked me but I said no because I just don't feel comfortable doing that. • Has he touched you? A No. • Has he A The closest he came to touching me was giving me a hug goodbye. But not inappropriate (inaudible). I 3 3501.000-007 Page 58 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090560 EFTA01244812 • • • • • 2 Page 11 Massaged what? His -- A His back and his lower back and his feet. Q All right. Okay. Have you ever seen him naked? A No. In a towel but that's it. That's it. Has he ever touched you? 6 A No. Q Has he ever touched himself while you were massaging? A No. He was mostly like on the phone. Like my 10 friend told me, he's perverted but he's never that way 11 toward me. He asked me once. 3.2 BY DETECTIVE 13 Q What did he ask you? la A He asked me like the third time I went there. 15 To do what? 1.6 A If I wanted to get naked or do anything more and I 17 18 said no and I think he could tell I was like uncomfortable with it so... 19 BY DETECTIVE 20 Okay. All right. So aside froMIIIIII and 2: Jeffrey, did you meet anybody else in the house? 22 A I met -- yeah, but I don't know like I didn't meet 23 them. but I've seen them. Like I was never formally 2o introduced but I've seen a little like short -- I don't even 25 know. Some lady out there didn't speak that well English 3501.000-007 Page 59 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090561 EFTA01244813 Page 1 • • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF 3501.000-007 Page 60 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090562 EFTA01244814 • • • • DRAFT Page 6 1 Q Okay. When the second time you went, how did you, 2 how were you contacted? 3 A Asked -- when he asked -- when he gave me $300 and asked me to come back, I had left him my cell phone number. 5 Q Okay. 6 A And called me and told me that Jeff had 7 wanted me to come back and then I went down there. 3 9 10 11 12 :3 14 15 18 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 • Okay. Do you recall when this was? A No. I know it started like this time last year because I think about January is the last time I went when I met my boyfriend and he didn't want me going down there. • So January of this year was the last time you went? A Yeah. • Okay. All right. So she calls you and tells you to come -- A (Inaudible.) • -- tells you to come to the house to provide, to work? A Uh-huh. • Did anything happen during that massage? A No. The only thing he ever did was he tried to grab my butt and I told him I didn't feel comfortable with that and he always said that if you didn't feel comfortable just to let him know. He didn't want you to feel 3501.000-007 Page 61 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090563 EFTA01244815 • • • DRAFT 1. 2 3 4 3 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 '3 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 7 uncomfortable. Q Was that on the second massage? A No. Probably about towards the end because I was fully clothed until the third massage. Q Okay. A That was the massage. That's when just I did it in my bra and underwear. And then after that is when I started feeling uncomfortable with it because he was like why don't you take that off and I was like no. And then just -- he never pressured me. He never forced me to do anything. But he would like try to talk you into it and I didn't feel comfortable with it. Q Okay. So you recall both -- the first two times? A Uh-huh. • Did he touch himself during the second massage? A I guess kinda he would sometimes. Q What do you mean? A Well not -- like towards the end when I was in my bra and underwear like sometimes when I would be rubbing his chest then he would. Q Okay. Did he do it on the second time you went? A No. Q Okay. The third time you went, how were you contacted to go? A called me again. I 3501.000-007 Page 62 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090564 EFTA01244816 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF We% 3501.000-007 Page 63 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090565 EFTA01244817 • • 2 3 5 7 IC 11 12 13 la 15 Lb 17 18 Page 4 there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other people already who have told me what transpired in that room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... A Well, the first time I went there I did a massage and he was just asking me a lot of questions. He seemed like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept looking at me and he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he said well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. And he was like why are you like being shy and : was like oh, I don't know. And then he would like change the subject and he started talking about other things. And then when we were done he said that if like I wanted to come back and do more then he would like pay me more and then I would have to 19 talk to and I could come back. 20 Q Okay. What kind of questions did he ask you as 21 you were massaging him? • 22 A He was asking about -- it was a year ago. I don't 23 remember everything but... 24 Q Right. 25 A He was just asking me if I had any friends that 3501.000-007 Page 64 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFIA_00090566 EFTA01244818 Page 1 IN RE. JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW 0FIM • 3501.000-007 Page 65 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090567 EFTA01244819 DRAFT • 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 IS 16 11 18 1.9 20 21 22 23 24 23 Page 7 1 Q Okay. At what point did he reach out to try to 2 touch you? 3 A While he just before he started to rub his nipples 4 he goes I'm going to touch you the way that I like to be touched and I was like I don't feel comfortable that way. 6 I'm fine. /ell continue to give you a massage but I don't 7 want -- I'm very uncomfortable. Because before she told me if I felt uncomfortable just tell him and he'd back off. So I told him that I was uncomfortable like after he started to touch me and he kept ejaculating after that. Q Okay. He touched your buttocks? A Yes. Q Did he touch your vagina area? A I would not let him. No. Q Okay. And you mentioned your breast area. A Right. Q Did he try to touch your buttocks under the shorts Or -^ A At first it was just outside my pants and then he tried to -- I had a belt on with my jeans so he tried to go like inside from behind but he could not and I was like I'm not comfortable. Q Okay. He put his hands under you: shirt? A Correct. Q Okay. And you had a bra on, correct? 3501.000-007 Page 66 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFIA_00090568 EFTA01244820 • • S • • 3501.000-)07 Page 67 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090569 EFTA01244821 • Page 1 • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF art,..v• 3501.000-007 Page 611 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090570 EFTA01244822 5 9 10 11 12 :3 :9 :5 :6 17 :8 19 20 21 22 23 21 25 DRAFT Page 5 A Yeah, just to bring a girl. Q And the girl that was going knew that she would 3 have to massage him? 4 A She knew everythidg. She knew everything. 5 Because that was one of Jeffrey's rules-. 1' had a grobleth 6 wfth girls coming to the house that didn't know what thy were getting into. He would tell met yo.9, know, make sure these girls know what I expect. MAAce supp,ihey know what tkey want. Because when thWy. get Ali that witmea don't want -- they need to know. As far as case, she knew everything she was getting herself into. It was all volunteered. Q Okay. What did you tell her that she was going to do? A I told her the same thing. I told her I -- you know, this guy Jeffrey -- she came to me saying she needed money, da da da da da. I basically told her about it. She was like, you know, what do you have to do. I told her, I was like, you know, the more you do the more you make. That's It. You're going to have to take -- you're going in order to make money you're going to have to go up there, you're going to take your clothes off. But the more you do is the more you make. She walked out of there with $300 so she obviously and evidently let him do a little more. Plus on her way home she kind of told me what she did. 3501.000-107 Page 69 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090571 EFTA01244823 • • • • • • DRAFT Page 13 1 A calls us when she gets in town. calls 2 us to let us know when he's available. 3 0 Oh, okay. 4 A I've called him maybe once or twice to see if he was in town when I used to work for him but primarily 6 would call us to let us know when he's in and when he wants 7 people to work for him. 8 Q So she would call you and say okay, he's coming in 9 Friday? to 11 12 13 A Friday at 7 he wants someone to work for him. Saturday around 12. Q Okay. Let's talk about for a minute. Okay? A Okay. 14 Q at the time was dating your cousin, right? 15 A Uh-huh. 16 Q Okay. She told you she needed to make money. She 17 knew -- did she know you worked for Jeffrey? 18 A I told her. 19 Q You had told trer you worked for Jeffrey? 20 A Uh-huh. 21 Q And did you tell her what it entailed? 22 A (Nods head yes.) 23 Q Okay. So she knew that? 24 A She knew everything before she even agreed to it. 25 0 So she kneW thete was going to have to be some 3501.000-007 Page 70 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090572 EFTA01244824 Page 14 • • • • 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 kind of -- 2 A Contact. Pldbtty tech, yeah? L.edld her. I told 3 he exactly what his expectations were. I told her what goes 4 on.with the girls 'that go-up:there/It- . I told her likW it's your call. I was 1-iRe l.e ydu wart to do this, fine. If not, fine. gut ellen you go•im ttat room fdan't want to hear you say oh, T didte:b. know he- As going to do all that because I'm telling you not whet he'eaxpect4ng. Q And basIcally itti:teuchigg? A Fondling. Q Fondling? A Looking, whatever. And I told her just remember the more you do, the more you make. But that's up to you. She asked me and I flat out told her I wouldn't, I wouldn't do more. Q Okay. Yeah. You made that clear that you wouldn't do more. A No. Screw that. Q But as far as is concerned -- A Yeah. Q -- what did she tell you that happened in that room? A Exact words? If I can recall when she came downstairs, when she came downstairs me and her and I believe it was Serina I was with, we all walked out. We got 3501.000-007 Page 71 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090573 EFTA01244825 • 0 • DRAFT 1 3 Page 18 A What do you mean? Q Like if they, they wanted to work, how did you approach them? Say listen, I got this guy in Palm Beach? 4 A For the most part because like I said, two were my 5 friends. The others were like my acquaintances. It was a 6 7 little more easier talking to them about it because I knew them. 8 Q Just take a deep breath. Take a deep breath 9 because I can see you working up again. You're working up 10 11 the tears. I can see it. I don't want to get you like that. 12 A I pretty much would just ask them. 13 Q Straight up? 14 A If you're looking for extra money let me know. 15 This guy down in Palm Beach, he's really, really, really 16 wealthy. You have to give him a massage. That's all I 17 18 would tell them. Then if they were interested or told me, yes, I want to do it, I would gb in detail with them before 19 they would actually agree. If they told me, oh, that sounds 20 good, I'm interested, then I would tell them okay, I want to 21 22 let you know this is what you have to do. This is what is going to go on. 23 24 Q Did you tell them that you were going to make money for bringing them over? 25 A Most part I believe they knew. knew. 350O00-007 Page 72 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090574 EFTA01244826 DRAFT 2 Page 35 you're breaking me off more. And they did. And after that Jeffrey said he didn't want her working 3 after she started agruing. That's the only 4 problem that I can think of. 5 DETECTIVE So when you -- to be 6 specific, when you took somebody, . they knew they 7 would have to gel:hakedr. they:wpuld aave to massage him. 9 THE WITNESS: They krie*Awmait they were 10 getting into prior to showing up. That was 11 Jeffrey's rule. Tell them what they're getting 12 into because I don't want an -- 13 DETECTIVE Argument. 14 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 15 DETECTIVE And ■ is now, ■ is 17. 16 When do you think you took her there? In order of 17 events, when do you think you took there? 18 THE WITNESS: She was 16 when I took her 19 there. It was her -- I took her probably like 8 20 months ago. It's been a while. It's been a 21 while. I don't know the exact dates because, like 22 I said, I haven't contacted him in a while. But 23 it was a while ago. 24 25 DETECTIVE Now does she live near you, 3501.000-007 Page 73 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090575 EFTA01244827 Page IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TARED INTERVIEW C 3501.000-007 Page74of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090576 EFTA01244828 DRAFT 1 A ?age 5 Me and both sat in the kitchen that day. 2 Okay. So is the one that worked? 3 A Yes. 4 Okay. Each girl that you went with, 5 those are the ones that did the work? 6 A Yeah. 7 Q And sat in the kitchen? 9 A Q That one day. When I was -- Okay. .And 04 gnu ficall lany .tonveEsations in the • 10 car with either that-may 1_ have had with them as far as what to expect? 12 A I think I remember telling that if he 13 tells you hey, you know what I mean, if you want to do 14 anything else you're still free to say no and he'll, you 15 know what I mean? He would -- something to the extent where 16 like hey, if he's like will you do this feel free to say no 17 and he'll be okay with it pretty much. 18 19 Q Okay. And what you mean by he wants to do this, it's more than a massage? 20 A Right. 21 Q Okay. What do you know of that goes on up in the 22 massaging or working -- 23 A Nobody ever wanted to tell me anything. Just that 24 they were giving massages and that was it. : didn't even 25 want to really know too much. 3501.000-007 Page 75 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090577 EFTA01244829 Page 1 DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF 3501.000-007 Page 76 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090578 EFTA01244830 DRAF Page 4 1 to be true. And as I found out it wasn't quite what she said. Just he asks the girls to take off their clothes and 3 give him a massage and he likes watching them I guess. • 0 10 1: 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 '-9 23 2: 22 23 24 25 Q Okay. I've talked to a lot of girls and I 3 pretty much know what goes on, okay -- 6 A Uh-huh. 7 -- to some extent. So I want you to feel free to talk to me without any problems. Trust me, there's nothing 9 you're going to say that's going to shock me. I've talked to a lot of girls that visited the house. So this girl took you. A Uh-huh. Q And told you for -- a massage for $200. Did she tell you you'd have to provide the massage naked? A She said that I might have to take off my clothes but that I'd be able to leave on my underwear which was true. Q Okay. So talk to me about the first time you went to the house. A I went -- went in with me and brought me upstairs to the room that's like off to the side of his bedroom and showed me how to set up the table and where all the lotion is and everything. And then she went outside to wait for me. Q Okay. 3501.0004KP Page 77 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090579 EFTA01244831 Tape: Date: Time: Participants: PBPD & October II, 2005 4:10 p.m. DetEM Abbreviations: VI - unintelligible = voices overlap DETECTIVE (introduces the recording and asks most questions) DETECTIVE 2 FRIEND DRAFT Transcript 1 Dauber II, 200S PBPD A Alccandra Hall 3501.000-007 Page 78 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090580 EFTA01244832 DRAFT 1 Um, a couple of days later, I believe it was a Saturday night. I'm 2 almost positive it was, cause I know I didn't have to go to school 3 the next day. Urn, and definitely wasn't a Friday. So it next 4 Saturday night after that. She set it up, and I picked her up from 5 the her apartment, and we drove to the island and I worked, urn, 6 and he paid her three or four hundred dollars to bring me. 7 8 DETECTIVE: Okay. 9 10 And that was it. 11 12 DETECTIVE: All right. Um, and this was a year and a half ago, correct? 13 14 Maybe two, I'm not sure, I didn't really keep track 15 16 DETECTIVE: //Okay. How old were you when you first, uh, went over there? 17 18 If it was two years ago I was sixteen, if it was a year and a half, I 19 would have been sixteen or seventeen, I don't know. 20 21 DETECTIVE: Okay. 22 23 Like, I really don't know. 24 25 DETECTIVE: Okay. When you first went to give a massage, um, you were 26 explained that, it was just a massage? 27 28 Just a massage. 29 30 DETECTIVE: Okay. Did she explain, urn, how you would have to be dressed to 31 give a massage? 32 33 She said that he wanted cute girls, so I looked cute, did my best, I 34 didn't — I didn't think that it was what itufas. bwasn't naive 35 enough to think that he was gonna paymelwoftundred dollars just 36 for nothing, [stutters] Li don't know, like I drm'f know what was 37 going through my head. I absolutely/don't IgitQy t Ahd I —.theback • 38 of my mind I was thinking, oh, wellvit couldftelegithnate, but I 39 was also.thinking, youltnow,.at the smite time, is .shelucking 40 crazy? Like, this guy's not gotma pay you money for not doing 41 anything, not letting him copa feel or nothing. You know? So I 42 didn't know what to think, I was like oh, I'll just go and I'll feel it 43 out and if I don't like it, I'll leave. Like, in the middle of it, like I 44 don't care. If he does something that I have a problem with then 45 I'll leave. 46 Transcript 4 October 11, 2005 PBPD & Alexandra Hall 3501.000-007 Page 79 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090581 EFTA01244833 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN • DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF 3501.000-007 Page 80 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090582 EFTA01244834 • i Page 17 I can't (inaudible) money. 2 Q Would he ask, ask you obviously if they were cool with it or felt comfortable with it? 4 A Uh-huh. And like I would, always telA them, yOu 5 know, what the situation was bedause like I wasn't told the 6 whole -- at first I was not tont the whole lituation. 7 Q What did tell you you would have to do? 8 A Haley told me I would tust take my Shirt off and 9 give a massage and that was the end. 10 Q Topless or a bra? 11 A Topless. 12 Q Okay. 13 A So that was it. la Q Okay. Was there ever a time that you ever told 15 him hey, I'm not comfortable with that? 16 A The first time he asked me if I would take my 17 jeans off and I told him I wasn't comfortable with that. 19 Q Okay. 19 A I think that's really it. 20 Q Again, you're not in any trouble. I'm, I'm just 21 trying to -- 22 A Uh-huh. 23 Q Was there ever a time that he ever tried to touch • 24 your vagina? 25 A Yes. • ••••• .• • 3501.000-007 Page 81 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090583 EFTA01244835 • • • • 3501.000-007 Page 82 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090584 EFTA01244836 • • • • • Page 3 A Seventeen. 2 Q You were 17. Okay. And you went there with whom? 3 4 Q brought you? 5 A Yes. 6 Q Okay. Did she tell you what were -- um, what you 7 were required to do? 8 A She said that I could gite Jeffrey a massage and 9 that he would pay•me to do te.at. didn't have to do 10 anything with him. She said OlatAie might ask me to take 11 off a piece of clothing if that was okay with me. She said 12 if not, didn't have to. 13 Q Okay. So when did you go? 14 A When? 15 Q Yeah. When was this? 16 A I don't remember. It was a long time ago. 17 Was it a year ago? 18 A It was a long time ago because 19 More than a year? Less than a year? 20 A It had to be in November or December. 21 Q Of last year? 22 A Yeah. 23 Q Okay. 24 A And it was after November. 25 Q When you walked into the house? 3501.000-007 Page 83 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090585 EFTA01244837 • • • • • • • DRAFT Page 11 A Uh-huh. 2 Q What school did you go to? 3 A I went to Royal Palm Middle School (inaudible). 4 Q Okay. So you have your high school diploma? 5 A Uh-huh. 6 Q Okay. You understand all these questions I'm asking you, right? 8 A Uh-huh. 9 Q Okay. Like I said, I know some of this stuff is 10 hard to talk about but it's important because basically 11 you're a potential victim here. 12 A Uh-huh. 13 Q Okay? What kind of panties did you have? Was it la a thong underwear or regular panties? 15 A A thong. 16 Q It was a thong. 17 BY DETECTIVE 18 Q Did he ever tell you to wear anything specific? 19 A No. Actually I was just wearing jeans and a 20 shirt. I mean I wasn't dressed in any certain way. 21 BY DETECTIVE 22 Q Okay. Did she explain to you that you may have to 23 take off your clothes and -- 24 A She said I may have to and said if I didn't want 25 to that I don't have to. 3501.0004KP Page 84 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090586 EFTA01244838 IN RE, JEFFREY EPSTE:N • • 3501.000-007 Page 85 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090587 EFTA01244839 • • • • 0 0 IMAF T Page 3 raise your right hand for me. Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? A I do. Q Okay. In your words, tell me exactly how you met 6 this gentleman in Palm Beach. 7 A My friends, well, not really friends. 8 told me in class that she found a way of making money. You 9 can get money. And then she said that if I ever told 10 anybody she'd beat my ass and so I didn't even know what she it was talking about but I was like okay. She said this guy's 12 house, a place where old guys are. And just massage him for 13 45 minutes and get $200. And so she picked me up after 14 work. We went down there. Right before we got in there 15 she's like oh, he might ask you to like take off your shirt 16 or something. But I didn't -- it didn't matter so I said 17 okay. And I went in his house. A lady escorted me up to 18 his room. Had a bed on it. 19 Q Okay. Let me back you up for a second. 20 A Uh-huh. 21 Q You said this was right before Christmas. 22 Christmas of last year or the year before? 23 A Last year. 24 Q Last year. 25 A Uh-huh. SO 3501.000-007 Page 86 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090588 EFTA01244840 ?age 1 • • • • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT 3501.000-007 Page 87 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090589 EFTA01244841 • • • • • • • 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DRAFT Page 13 Haley was working for him. 2 A Yeah. Everybody knew that. I know that. 4 A So I just was like I don't know you that well. He 5 wanted to make money off of me and I just wanted 6 to go with because she knew him and she knew like the situation so I went with her. Q How far has gone with him? A She really doesn't go into detail. I mean I know she's gone farther than me but she doesn't really go into detail about it. Q Okay. Is there anything else that you'd like to add to this statement? A No. DETECTIVE No. Okay. At this time I'm going to go ahead and conclude the statement. The time by my watch is 12:10. (Thereupon, the interview ended.) 3501.000-007 Page 88 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090590 EFTA01244842 Page 1 • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED IN'2FRVIEW OF' 3501.000-007 Page 89 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090591 EFTA01244843 • • • • • • 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DRAFT Page 3 1 information and we are conducting an investigation. We were 2 here last night, spoke with your mom and dad. If you can 3 just start from the beginning as to how you met him. 4 A Okay. Q And how it came about. 6 A I met him through my friend Haley. Q Okay. How long ago was that? 8 A It was probably about almost a year ago. Q Okay. Okay. A And he -- I went there once with her and she gave him a massage and then she asked me if I wanted to do it and then I did it or whatever and then after that like he kind of scared me when I went there so I just decided not to go back. • Okay. The first time you went wit did you go upstairs with him? A No, I stayed down in the kitchen. Q Okay. Did tell you:'that -- what was entailed as to what had to be done? A Well she said the first time you go it's just like a massage and she said like well, the more you go supposedly the more he like expects and starts flirting with girls and that's what kind of like scared me. Q Okay. I've interviewed other girls and they've told me pretty much the same thing about the massage but 1 •••••••• •••••••••••••••••••••• •••laSEARILSWO•Neff•W•••We,11.9.4•••••••••••••••.1•10.•••••••••••aL.,-.1•0.••••.M1.i. apaLIJ 3501.000-007 Page90of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00O90592 EFTA01244844 rnt. 0 • • • • • Page 4 1 there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's 2 why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other 4 people already who have told me what transpired in that s room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... 6 A Well, the first time I went there I did a massage 7 and he was just asking me a lot of questions. He seemed like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and 9 stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept 10 looking at me and he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm 11 like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I 12 was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he 13 said well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. 14 And he was like why are you like being shy and I was like 15 oh, I don't know. And then he would like change the subject 16 and he started talking about other things. And then when we 17 were done he said that if like I wanted to come back and do 18 more then he would like pay me more and then I would have to 19 talk to Haley and I could come back. 20 Q Okay. What kind of questions did he ask you as 21 you were massaging him? 22 A He was asking about -- it was a year ago. I don't 23 remember everything but... 24 Q Right. 25 A He was just asking me if I had any friends that 3501.000-007 Page 91 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090593 EFTA01244845 111141IET Page 5 1 might want to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then 2 he asked me about what I wanted to do when I grew up and 3 stuff like that and I asked him what he did and he said he was like a scientist basically. 5 Q Okay. Did he ever ask you how old you were? 6 A No. 7 Q No. Did he know that you were 17? 8 A No, I don't think so. 9 Q Well it would have been 16 if it was a year ago, 10 right? 11 A Well it like was almost a year ago. (Inaudible) 12 17. 13 Q Okay. During the massage did you -- were you 14 naked or -- 15 A No. I had my clothes on. 16 Q You had all your clothes on? 17 A Uh-huh. 18 Q Okay. Did he touch you in any way? 19 A He was like kind of like leaning towards it but I 20 was like you could tell I was shy so I think that's why he 21 didn't try. But I heard about other girls that he -- that 22 he got flirtatious with the& and he made them take off their 23 clothes and stuff. 24 Q Okay. What -- that was the first time you went, 25 right? IA. A.A.AAALAAA6AA.A.Ard.AWIAAAAAIAWAAAA A 4....A. 3501.000-007 Page 92 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090594 EFTA01244846 DItAFT 1 2 3 Page 6 Q Okay. Have you received any massage training? A No. Q No. I have to ask. 4 Was-one of the two girls that was in the 5 kitchen with you? 6 A Yes. 7 Q Okay. Did you ever go back to his house? A Well, I just went there twice. 9 Right 10 A After that 11 12 After that you've never come back? Never went back? 13 How much did you receive for the massage? 14 A Two hundred. 15 You received 200. 16 17 Okay. Did explain to you what was going to be involved? 18 A She said the first time you go there you pretty 19 much just give a massage, but the more you go there like the 20 more he expects. And that's it. That scared me. 21 Q That's what scared you? 22 BY DETECTIVE 23 Did she say (inaudible) or did she (inaudible -- 24 A Say didn't have to say it exactly but she implied 25 like, you know, like taking your clothes off and stuff Pike 3501.000-007 Page 93 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090595 EFTA01244847 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 9 that. BY DETECTIVE 3 Q Okay. So you didn't remove any of your clothing? 4 A No. 5 Q What were you wearing? Can you remember? A I don't know. It was a long time ago. I don't remember exactly. Q Okay. A I don't want to tell you wrong. Q I know. And I know you already told your mom what happened. And like I said, I know this is hard for you but... A I was just scared. I just didn't want my name to like -- 0 Don't worry. You're not the only person I've talked to. Okay? There's a lot of people that I've talked to and I'm going to talk to. How did you get to his house? With A Q in the A kitchen. Yeah. 0 What about the second time? A The second time I drove and she came with me. Because I didn't want to -- took you the first time and you sat 3501.000-)07 Page 94 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090596 EFTA01244848