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FI1M2atev.5440 -1 of 9- at FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date of entry 04/23/2020 , date of birth (DOB) was interviewed Present for the interview was attorneys/legal team including along with AUSA III, AUSA , AUSA , Special Agent , and Detective . After being advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, provided the following information: hwwigmkeon 11/26/2019 Filen by 50O-NY-3O27571 at New York, New York, United States (In Person) This document contains neither recommendation,: to be distributed outside your agency. Dated:ailed 12/02/2019 mclu, i(ms of the FBI. It is the property or the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not CONFIDENTIAL 3501.125-029 Page 1 of9 EFTA_00065435 EFTA01246581 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Proffer of Cominu.stionofFD-302of Interview 01 ,On 11/26/2019 _page 2 of 9 While at the met restaurant partly as an intern. got her this job. and from was getting ready to go back to that she knew of a couple who needde asked if she wanted to go see them and go with her. they were a wealthy couple. EPSTEIN's island while was on the island MAXWELL, and of the specifics. She felt that she was going to be feeling her out. a girl named . She worked in the later found out that JEFFREY EPSTEIN became friends. was originally and she told told her agreed and they flew together to was on her way to for a few days when she met EPSTEIN, GHISLAINE shared a room with but was not sure as though she was a guest. was hoping It appeared as though they were CONFIDENTIAL 3501.125-029 Page 2 of 9 EFTA_00065436 EFTA01246582 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 50D—NY-3027571 (U) Proffer of ContimationofFD-302of Interview 01 .0n 11/26/2019 .Page 3 O£ 9 left the island on EPSTEIN's plane and they all flew to New York City. While there, stayed at one of EPSTEIN's apartments with met EPSTEIN at his Madison Avenue office and he asked her about her future and what she wanted to do. tried to sell herself. From there, they may have went to Palm Beach or Hawaii but was not sure. She recalled flying on 9/10/2001. When back in stayed there for about a month before MAXWELL called and asked her to fly back to West Palm Beach. MAXWELL asked her during this phone call to come "tonight". then went to work and asked for time off. She flew out the next day as she assumed this was for spent the next 3-4 days in West Palm Beach. She then kept traveling with them until she was EPSTEIN never stayed in one place for more than 3-4 days. never went back to and had someone ship her belongings to her. EPSTEIN asked her to draw him a bath. EPSTEIN got in the bath then asked to get in with him. got in the bath with him and EPSTEIN told her that ' MAXWELL was giving most of the instructions. In New York MAXWELL's house in her 3rd floor office. MAXWELL would give her a to do list. EPSTEIN was always updating the houses. had to collect things for these house while in New York. She would check in with MAXWELL and get her list of things to do. Things were always changing in the houses and there were schedules and a binder for each house. There was a project in which had to digitize each of CONFIDENTIAL 3501.125-029 Page 3 of 9 EFTA_00065437 EFTA01246583 FD-3029(Rev.5-8-10) 50D—NY-3027571 (U) Proffer of Cal6mathelofFD-302of Interview 01 .on 11/26/2019 _ Fin, 4 of 9 these binders. There was another project in which she had to scan in all of the old photos. would go shopping and run errands. Occasionally, would stay at EPSTEIN's mansion while in New York but she primarily lived at the alone. On one occasion, had helped to gather things in the basement of EPSTEIN's New York Mansion. worked at MAXWELL's house until EPSTEIN got out of jail. When he got out of jail, went to work in his mansion. In Florida, would stay in the guest room upstairs at EPSTEIN's home. Earlier on in her employment, would wake up at 6AM, get the papers, make coffee, get EPSTEIN's breakfast and check in with MAXWELL. she would wake up around 9AM then go check with with either MAXWELL or EPSTEIN. She would see who she needed to schedule for either of their massages, or reschedule meetings. would get movie times, comedy club tickets, book facials, notify chefs and guests. Typically the house manager or would answer the phone. There was a "3 ring rule" in the house. When they answered they were not allowed to say whether or not EPSTEIN was home. There were carbon copy note pads by each phone that would leave messages on. There were two desk areas in which would work from, one in the kitchen and one in the living area. EPSTEIN would get massages in the mornings after his work out. Then he would maybe have friends over for lunch, then maybe go for a bike ride. EPSTEIN would then get another massage before his afternoon nap. Then at night he would go to the movies or a comedy club. Scheduling the massages became III pretty much right away. MAXWELL, and JUAN ALESSI showed how to schedule them. There was a list taped up in MAXWELL's office. was told to call the number, tell them "Hi it's , I'm calling on behalf of JEFFREY EPSTEIN to see if you're available for a massage". EPSTEIN or MAXWELL would tell who to call each morning. would write this down in her notebook along with her tasks for the day. MAXWELL, and possibly ALESSI previously had this responsibility and it seemed as though they taught would schedule the appointments for either the day of or the day before but not typically the day before. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.125-029 Page 4 of 9 EFTA_00065438 EFTA01246584 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 50D—NY-3027571 (U) Proffer of ContimationofFD-302of Interview 01 Mn 11/26/2019 n,g, 5 o£ 9 When came back the second time to West Palm Beach, showed how the massages happened everyday and who she would call. did not have a sense of who she was calling at first until they actually showed up. knew them as masseuses. If they could not come, would either tell MAXWELL or EPSTEIN or ask the girls if they could refer anyone else. Generally, was calling individuals themselves and not massage parlors. Some girls were regulars, some were not. was shown how to use MAXWELL's directory or the computer and would get names and numbers from them. , LESLEY GROFF and MAXWELL would update the directory. Sometimes MAXWELL or guests would also get massages. Everyone was on the same list whether they were massaging EPSTEIN or massaging guests. They were all mostly female; MAXWELL often got massages from . Some of the repeat masseuses may not have been just for EPSTEIN or MAXWELL, was not sure. presumed these girls had experience. The first time she would call she would say, "This is , calling on behalf of MAXWELL or EPSTEIN...seeing if you're available for a particular time.". would call from either the house phone or a cell phone. It was sometimes difficult scheduling girls depending on their availability. Some of the scheduling conflicts that recalled hearing included work, soccer, or sometimes they didn't give a reason. was generally calling their cell phones so they would answer the phone. was not always present when the girls would arrive but generally, they would get to the house and ring the door bell by the parking garage near the kitchen. House staff or the chef would let them in. would take them upstairs first time and show them the table, lotions and towels. them there and then go tell EPSTEIN that the girl was ready. then typically run her errands. Sometimes was there when done. They would leave right after. if it was their would leave would they were Sometimes, multiple girls were there; EPSTEIN sometimes asked multiple girls to come. Sometimes, both girls went into the massage room with him. was not sure if one would come out before the other. doesn't recall really ever seeing girls/masseuses hanging around the house. did see coming out of his office by the pool. typically escorted the girls up right away. When they rang the door bell, it rang CONFIDENTIAL 3501.125-029 Page 5 of 9 EFTA_00065439 EFTA01246585 FD-302a (Rev. 54-10) 50D—NY-3027571 (U) Proffer of ContimathsnofFD-302of Interview 01 Mn 11/26/2019 .Page 6 of 9 through the phones in the house so everyone knew that someone was there. was asked if she recalled conversations that she may have had with the girls coming to massage. stated "not really". She recalled asking a girl on one occasion where she was from and she responded that she was on break from college in Georgia. was asked if she recalled the regulars that would come. described one of them being pregnant, and recalled talking to her about the pregnancy. was asked if EPSTEIN would would that go. EPSTEIN would tell have a second masseuse to bring. He have another masseuse they can bring called, "Hi this is , wondering bring with you" or "someone were coming to massage that generally EPSTEIN would pay discuss payment with them. A couple of times EPSTEIN would ask to pay. It would be around $200. EPSTEIN kept a bunch of cash in a black bag/briefcase. would go there and get the cash to pay. He left the bag near the desk in the living room area and in the cabana. The girls were paid at the end of the session. was not sure if both girls were paid when two girls were to come to the house. ask for a second girl to come, how who to call, and ask them if they would say, for example, "Ask if they with them". would say when she if you have another masseuse you can else". had just assumed that if they they had some experience. believed that them. She assumed they were paid. She didn't was asked if she recalled some of the names of the masseuses. She responded by stating the following names and descriptions: ..Masseuse, knew she was going to college in West Palm Beach. There was a photo of her in New York and knew she was there. She would occasionally go to the movies with them and thinks she was the only one invited out. father. (possible last name) ...Knew she had a baby and lived with her child's CONFIDENTIAL 3501.125-029 Page 6 of 9 EFTA_00065440 EFTA01246586 FD-302a(Rev.54-10) 50D—NY-3027571 (U) Proffer of Cominu.stionofFD-302of Interview #1 ..Didn't know much of her ...Didn't know much of her Mn 11/26/2019 . page 7 of 9 ...She called on one occasion and asked how much would EPSTEIN pay to have sex with one of the masseuses. was shocked by this and said no he doesn't do that. thought dropped the issue. She didn't tell EPSTEIN or thought that EPSTEIN would get mad at for asking MI6 anyone about this because she didn't want to upset him. felt uncomfortable bringing it up to EPSTEIN. They were all kind of in the same rotation. thought about if someone came more often then another. that the above listed names came more often. does not know if she did recall was then asked about her reactions on when she found out that the girls were underage and that there was sexual activity occurring during the massages. stated that she found out when some of the first news articles came out. She was in shock, angry and disappointed. No one ever talked to about it then and she was never interviewed. EPSTEIN never admitted or said sorry. EPSTEIN would show the girls' MYSPACE pages where it would say that they were 18. He would show their profiles in which the girls were involved in drugs and risque photos. He was trying to discredit them. EPSTEIN never discussed what happened in the room. They became family in a fucked up way and didn't think EPSTEIN would help her viewed the girls as her peers, and the same age. It never crossed her mind that they were that young. Most were thought to be age, in her early 20's. There were some men that did massages. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.125-029 Page 7 of 9 EFTA 00065441 EFTA01246587 FD-302a (Rev. 54-10) 50D—NY-3027571 (U) Proffer of CaninusfionofFD-302of Interview 01 .0n 11/26/2019 .Page 8 O£ 9 Looking back said that yes, what should have and did are two different things. Nobody around EPSTEIN ever questioned him, or said anything was wrong. There were many people around including employees, chefs, etc. No one said anything was wrong. EPSTEIN was the head of the household and everyone did what he said. Everything in that world was different than what knew. EPSTEIN had tell that he would pay for a tutor to study for the SAT's. knew the massages to be normal massages. recalled two massage incidents that she observed. One in Palm Beach and one at the ranch. EPSTEIN would call over the intercom to come in and take notes. did not recall the names of the masseuses but they were clothed. EPSTEIN would be on the table and covered with a towel. He typically had a phone and notepad next to the table. Early on, EPSTEIN asked to give him a massage in his bedroom on the island. was with another masseuse and was to mimic what they were doing. got paid $200 after. EPSTEIN told her that she could make a lot of money being a masseuse but wanted to be . While on the ranch, EPSTEIN asked to massage him. She did so by herself and he was on a massage table. said this was a "normal massage" and she did not associate the massage and sexual activities together. experience with the massages were not sexual. EPSTEIN traveled with a lot of girlfriends. observed him getting massages on the island outside near the tiki hut. It was typical for him to ask to get his feet massaged. Sometimes, women would be topless and nude around the island, and by the beach. gave him a massage. Girls would lay out topless by the pool or on the beach. did not recall seeing anyone give a massage topless. Nothing happened that witnessed or saw that led her to believe massages were sexual. None of the massages turned sexual for . The girls would often call and ask when they could come back to work or when they would be back in town. Most Palm Beach masseuses CONFIDENTIAL 3501.125-029 Page 8 of 9 EFTA_00065442 EFTA01246588 FD-3029(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Proffer of Continu.stionofFD-302of Interview 01 .on 11/26/2019 .ftv 9 of 9 didn't travel with them. They would come in for an hour then leave. wasn't present when EPSTEIN was getting massages except for the two times she was called in. EPSTEIN got massages everyday, stretched everyday; it was just part of his life. EPSTEIN was always doing body work. did not procure girls. met the girls when they came to the house for the first time. No one ever asked if she had been abused. During EPSTEIN's first investigation, prior to him going to jail, recalled an occasion in which she was leaving the island. airport on St. Thomas and law enforcement stated that they . EPSTEIN told her to wait to the side as he talked then left and law enforcement did not talk to what was said. She was at the wanted to talk to to them. They does not know DATES AND TIMES ARE APPROXIMATE AND NOT ALL SUBJECT MATTER WAS DISCUSSED DURING THIS INTERVIEW. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.125-029 Page 9 of 9 EFTA_00065443 EFTA01246589