FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10)

FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 6 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION , hereto referred to as interviewed pursuant to a proffer agreement at . Present for the interview were Date of entry 06/24/2019 , was . After being advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, provided the following information: has recently reached out to (hereto referred to as and called (hereto referred to as them not to discuss details of the investigation, but to advise them that investigators would like to speak with them about this investigation. states that wants nothing to do with Inwiptionon 05/23/2019 at , United States (In Person) File # 31E-NY-3027571 Date drafted 05/23/2019 by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the propene of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.162-030 Page 1 of 6 EFTA_00069807 EFTA01247322 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 31E—NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-30.1 of (D) Interview of .On 05/23/2019 ,pne 2 of 6 this investigation. further advised that she has reached out to "you guys" to notify that she is not interested in cooperating. was advised by that she is willing to talk about the case and that she would call investigators. feels as though her intentions to cooperate are real, but it may be best if investigators call her as she may forget to call. provides cell phone number ( ). After talking to does not feel as though her personal memory of her time with EPSTEIN was jogged anymore. reiterated that she was originally introduced to EPSTEIN by her friend . The first time went to his house was with During this occasion the maid showed them to the massage room and put his towels on the table. The maid stated that EPSTEIN would be in shortly. After this occasion would often go to EPSTEIN's house and give him massages. The sexual conduct between EPSTEIN and would build up gradually over time to the point where she would not know how it got that far. She does not remember if oral sex ever occurred. would lick EPSTEINS chest and she thinks he also licked her chest. He would have available for the massages aroma therapy, oils, a massage table, lubricants and vibrators..."small 2 finger ones for your clit". During these massages EPSTEIN would "jerk off" while he was lying on the table and would sometimes use a vibrator on at the same time. On more than one occasion EPSTEIN would get up off of the table and ask to lie down on the table. He would say "lie down...I want to massage you". EPSTEIN would massage , he would touch her breasts and he would "touch my bottom area". He would try to give her an orgasm, using about 3-4 fingers. He would never digitally penetrate her EPSTEIN would only "massage my clit". EPSTEIN would not "talk dirty" but he would say things to like "Do you like this?" and "Are you enjoying it?". would say "Yes" because she knew she had to. says some girls would fake orgasms and some would have actual orgasms stating that it is hard to not have an orgasm when using a vibrator. would be asked to moan very loud. During at least one massage EPSTEIN grabs hand and places it on his penis. He has tried to kiss during these massages, and he would want her to put her mouth on his nipples. EPSTEIN was slow to progress onto more sexual activity during massages. thinks it CONFIDENTIAL 3501.162-030 Page 2 of 6 EFTA_00069808 EFTA01247323 FD-302a(Rev.5-840) 31E—NY-3027571 Cominu.stionofFD-302of (O) Interview of Mn 05/23/2019 _page 3 of 6 took about 6 months for him to become comfortable enough to began using a vibrator on her. It is possible that was in the room on one occasion in which EPSTEIN used a vibrator on Sometimes when EPSTEIN would lie down he would put hand on his "balls and dick". It progressed to him getting up and having her lie down. EPSTEIN would use oils to massage her, and then have her jerk him off. EPSTEIN would want to very tightly jerk him off but she could not keep up with what he wanted so he would often finish himself. EPSTEIN would moan very load and intense when he would ejaculate. feels this is because he sees so many girls that it is hard for him to ejaculate. describes EPSTEINS testicles as having a little bit of tiny gray hairs on them. Other than those hairs he was "clean down there". His penis had a little bend to it. At this point gestures using 2 hands as to the approximate penis size. EPSTEIN really liked recalls on one occasion both her and were in EPSTEIN's bedroom. recalls an occasion in which her and EPSTEIN were talking, and he walked into his bathroom so she followed him as they talked. was not asked to be followed, but felt as though she had to follow him because that's just what he expected of you. You were expected to listen or you would were expected to leave. While inside the bathroom she remembers there being both a stand up shower and a bath tub. describes seeing what she believed to be a "pink, squeezable, usable" sex toy. This sex toy was a molded female torso with vagina and breasts. started working with after her and stopped working together. At some point EPSTEIN would tell to "Make sure the girls bring ID". She remembers being told this by EPSTEIN over the phone because he would abruptly hang up on her without ever saying goodbye. It would bother that he would just hang up after he was done saying what he needed to say. recalls telling multiple girls to being their ID's prior to going. believes he made her do this because some of the girls were too old. This was to make sure that they were young because EPSTEIN CONFIDENTIAL 3501.162-030 Page 3 of 6 EFTA 00069809 EFTA01247324 FD-302a (Rev. 5-84 31E—NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of (O) Interview of .On 05/23/2019 ,page 4 of 6 would ask for girls under 18. The younger the better and EPSTEIN never rejected a girl for being too young. recalls being in the room on at least one occasion that a girl showed her ID to EPSTEIN. On this occasion she went upstairs with the girl (unknown name approximately 15-16 years old) and asked if she had her ID ready. They walked into the massage room together. EPSTEIN walked into the room wearing a robe and the girl hands him her ID. EPSTEIN looked at the ID and handed it back to her. He does not introduce himself at this point and both of the girls were clothed at this time. It was at that point that left the room to wait downstairs. knew to have this girl have her ID ready because EPSTEIN had previously gotten angry over an older girl brought to him. Girls would bring ID's such as learners permits, states ID's and high school ID's. recalls the school ID's having "valid dates" still attending that particular school. the massage room girls to massage alone at first. with the girl she brought. him or not, or if the girls Sometimes she would be with asked and if they brought to bring ID's and they said "no". leverage with EPSTEIN. never checked the ID's but on them to prove they were would not always go into It depended if he wanted two were not comfortable going or had to tell the girls they thinks they had more eventually stopped going to visit EPSTEIN because she got older and it became harder for her to find younger girls. Once she turned 17 it was much harder to find 15 year olds, and felt as though she needed to get a real job. feels as though this may have been around the time EPSTEIN got in trouble in Florida. Back when EPSTEIN got in trouble, recalls the FBI coming to her door to speak with her. At the time she did not feel comfortable talking to them so she called LESLIE right away (EPSTEIN's secretary). LESLIE got her in touch with EPSTEIN who told her that he got her a lawyer. remembers telling EPSTEIN that he better have a bird". EPSTEIN tells to tell the does not tell them the whole story. or she was going to "sing like lawyers the truth, to which does not specifically recall any girls who ever left very upset CONFIDENTIAL 3501.162-030 Page 4 of 6 EFTA 00069810 EFTA01247325 FD-302a (Rev. 5-840 31E—NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of 101 Interview of Mn 05/23/2019 _page 5 of 6 or complained about EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN asked 2-3 times to bring more girls for him. When she did not bring more girls after the first time he asked, EPSTEIN asked "where are the other girls...next time you come I hope you bring other people". Periodically he would just ask to come alone. EPSTEIN would never call direct. LESLIE would call first and then transfer EPSTEIN to the line. When EPSTEIN was in town would get calls about once a week. He would typically prepare in advance, sometimes days in advance. LESLIE would know his NY schedule. That recalls the staff would never come upstairs to the massage room after the massage done. The maids who would show them inside typically and waited near the elevator after. The maids often wore uniforms and feels as though they lived there. Sometimes EPSTEIN would come into the room only wearing a towel instead of a robe. feels as though someone must have had to come in after the massage to clean up because the room was a mess and he just threw his towels on the ground. He would always have a cloth or towel available to ejaculate into. He may have had a machine that would keep the towels warm. knows exactly where EPSTEIN lives but just does not recall the exact address. states approximately 60-70% of the time there would be other young looking girls in the waiting room when she was there. They would never talk to each other but they all knew what each other was there for. They would be young and not wearing make up and looked like her. There would never be more than 3 girls including in the waiting room. Typically there would only be about a 5-10 minute overlap of girls in the waiting room together. felt as though this was strategic of EPSTEIN so that the girls would not talk to each other. Sometimes there would be other people there possibly for business reasons. thinks she spent about an hour to an hour and a half total at EPSTEINS house on each occasion. This included about 30-40 minutes inside of the massage room, then being asked to leave, and time before and after in the waiting room. recalls telling her when she first started working that if she wanted to continue the business she would need to bring underage girls. EPSTEIN says he does not want anyone over the age of 18 and that "I want them to be underage if you want to continue this". If the girls asked why they needed to bring ID would tell them its because he wants CONFIDENTIAL 3501.162-030 Page 5 of 6 EFTA_00069811 EFTA01247326 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 31E—NY-3027571 Cominu.stionofFD-302of an Interview of .0n 05/23/2019 _page 6 of 6 to know you're not 18. Girls were more worried that he would find out where they live by him checking the ID. recalls wondering around EPSTEINS house while the girls she brought were in the massage room with him. She wondered into EPSTEINS library on one occasion. She states it was a "Beauty and the Beast" set up, with blue lighting and recalls it being a beautiful room. She recalls there being a piano room on the second floor. Sometimes she would wait in his kitchen, or in his office. She would not wait with the maids. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.162-030 Page 6 of 6 EFTA_00069812 EFTA01247327