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CIVIL DIVISION
Plaintiff,
vs.
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CASE No.
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CIVIL DIVISION
CASE No.502008CA028051XXXXMB AB
Plaintiff,
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DEPOSITION OF
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009
10:10 - 3:30 p.m.
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West Palm Beach Office
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CASE No.08-CV-80119-CIV-MARRA/JOHNSON
Plaintiff,
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Related cases:
08-80232, 08-80380, 98-80381, 08-80994,
08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469,
09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092
DEPOSITION OF
VOLUME II
Tuesday, October 20, 2009
10:10 - 3:30 p.m.
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Job #118991
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APPEARANCES:
On behalf of the Defendant:
BURI4AN CRITTON LUTTLER & COLEMAN, LLP
303 Banyan Boulevard, Suite 400
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
On behalf of Plaintiff III.:
On behalf of the Witness:
On behalf of Defendants/
On behalf of Plaintiff in related Case No. 08-80811
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PROCEEDINGS
Deposition taken before Teresa Whalen,
Registered Professional Reporter, Florida
Professional Reporter, and Notary Public in and for
the State of Florida at Large, in the above cause.
(Mr.
joined the proceedings in person.)
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BY MR.
O
Good afternoon. Is it all right if I call you
1111111?
A
Yes.
Q
Okay. My name is
, I also
represent some plaintiffs in these cases, and it is my
turn to ask you some questions.
We were talking about when Mr. Epstein was in
jail, which was between June 30th of 2008 and July of
2009; correct?
A
Yes.
Q
Now, during that time you wont Lu wurk your
regular schedule at 358 El Brillo Way; is that correct?
A
Yes.
Q
So you were working basically --
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BY MR.
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I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
:
Do you need to expand on your
answer?
BY MR.
O
Were you finished?
A
I worked regular hours, but sometimes there
are times that I report eight, sometimes I report
nine o'clock.
Q
And I believe --
A
It's flexible
Q
Okay. And it was after he left jail that you
started working at 6:00 a.m., correct?
A
Yee.
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So whether you start work at eight or nine is
your choice? When you say "it's flexible," it means you
can chose whether to come at eight or nine?
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Yes. When he was not there.
o
Okay. it didn't matter whether you there at
eight or nine when he was not there, correct?
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No.
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How were your duties different when he was nuL
there during the time he was in jail from when he would
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come there before he went to jail?
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When he was in jail?
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Yes.
A
I clean the house.
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You had less to clean, is that fair to say,
because Mr. Epstein, I assume, based on your testimony,
there were much fewer people in the house than before,
correct?
A
Yes. I made inventory of the linens.
Q
I'm sorry?
A
Of the linens, I made inventory of the liners.
Q
Oh. Inventory of the linens?
A
Inventory.
Q
Okay. So you did that. And what else did you
do to fill the time?
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Wash the clothes that was in storage, you
know.
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You washed clothes in storage?
A
Yes. Because it was right there, so I just
wash it and then press if it needs pressing.
Q
So he has clothes stored outside La the house?
A
No. In the house.
O
In the house. Okay. So even if they aadn't
been worn, you washed them, correct?
A
And press them.
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MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: Yes.
BY MR.
Q
What other type of things did you do while he
wasn't there?
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If there are plants, I attend to the plants.
Q
Okay. Is that something you didn't do before
he went to jail?
A
I do that also when before he went to jail.
Q
Okay.
A
If there are orchids or plants in the house,
then I attend to it.
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I guess my question is what kind of projects
did you work on when he was not there to fill your time
after he went to jail?
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Cleaning, tidying, just going around the
house. If I see something that needs painting, I tell
Janusz.
Q
Now, are you paid on the basis of a yearly
salary, or are you paid weekly or monthly; how does that
work?
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We are paid twice a month.
Q
Okay. That's when you receive your pay?
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Yes.
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take a half a day of work off, do you get paid for that?
A
Yes. In my situation.
Q
I'm sorry. In your what?
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In my situation I was paid.
Q
Okay. So you're on like a fixed salary, if
you miss some time you still get the same amount of
money, correct?
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Yes.
Q
And I take it that during the period in which
Mr. Epstein was in jail, you continued to receive the
same salary, plus a raise, I assume, at the beginning of
the year; correct?
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Yes.
Q
So you continued to receive the same salary
that you did before Mr. Epstein went to jail, correct?
A
Yes, sir.
Q
Did Mr. Epstein ever pay bonuses or any extra
money to you?
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Yes.
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What kind of bonuses did you receive?
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Yearly bonus.
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You get a yearly bonus. When is that paid, is
that paid at holiday time, Christmas time?
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After the year.
Q
At the end of the year?
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At the end of the year.
Q
At New Years?
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New Years.
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And this past year, when 2008 became 2009, how
much of a bonus did you receive?
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I did not receive any.
Q
And what about before that, what kind of bonus
did you receive?
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The yearly bonus.
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Okay. What would be the amount of the yearly
bonus?
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Oh. For me? The last one I receive was
5,000.
•
Okay. So this would be in addition to your
salary of $42,000?
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Yes.
Q
And this $5,000 bonus you would have received
in or about January 2008; is that correct?
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Not eight.
Q
Pardon?
A
Not eight. We did not get any bonus in 2008.
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a $5,000 bonus?
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I think 2007.
Q
So it's been two years since you've gotten a
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bonus; is that correct?
A
Let me see. Yes.
Q
Okay. Did Mr. Epstein explain to you why he
wasn't giving you a bonus in the last two years?
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He did not personally told us.
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Did someone tell you why you were not getting
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Janusz was informed, and Janusz informed me.
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Okay. Did Janusz give you a reason why you
weren't getting a bonus?
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Because of the economy, that's what he said.
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Any other reason that he gave?
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No, sir.
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Did you receive a $5,000 bonus for 2006 and
2005?
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It was different, it gradually increased.
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Okay.
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It was not the same amount.
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what was the bonus in 2006 and 2005?
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2005 was 2,000.
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Uh-huh.
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And then the next is 5,000 and 5,000.
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January 2005 you received a $2,000 bonus?
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And at that point in time you had really just
started a month and a half before?
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No. I want to correct that. I receive a 500
after I started there November.
Q
Yes. November of 2004 you started?
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At Christmas I receive, after Christmas I
receive $500.
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Okay. So in January of 2005 you receive $500,
correct?
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Yes.
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Then in January 2006 you received how much?
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2,000.
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And in January 2007 you received 5,000; is
that correct?
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Yes.
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And in January 2008 you received no bonus?
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NO.
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Is that correct?
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Correct.
Q
Correct, you received no bonus?
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No bonus.
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And the same in January 20U9, correct?
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Correct.
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Has Mr. Epstein advised you, discussed with
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after the holidays this year?
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No, sir.
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Has anyone discussed with you what bonus you
will receive after the holidays this year?
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No.
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Do you have any expectation as to what kind of
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I don't -- I did not expect anything.
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You testified earlier about Lyn, who is the
housekeeper in New York, correct?
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Yes.
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Now, when was the first time you met Lyn in
person?
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In person? When I went to New York.
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And when was the first time you went to
Now York?
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In 2006.
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2006. And was the reason you went to New York
in 2006 for Ms. Maxwell's party?
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No. It was Lyn I think had a surgery.
Okay. And you were there to UUVOL fox her
while she had surgery?
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Yes.
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And how long were you there?
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I cannot remember, but after her surgery, then
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we left to Palm Beach.
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Okay. You don't remember how long it was?
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I cannot remember, because I've been there
like four times, or more than four times.
Q
More than four times?
A
Yes.
Q
Okay. So this first time when she had her
surgery, you were the housekeeper then in New York while
she was out, correct?
A
Yes, sir.
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But did she come into the house in New York
and that's how you met her while she was recovering, or
how was it that you met her at that time?
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We met her before her surgery, I met her
before her surgery.
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i see. Then she went and had her surgery.
Now, when you traveled to New York, did you go
on Mr. Epstein's plane?
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No, sir.
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How did you travel to New York?
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Commercial.
Q
So Mr. Epstein purchased you a ticket on an
airline to fly to New York?
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THE WITNESS: Yes, sir.
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Now, let's talk about the other times that you
went, you traveled to New York. When was the next time
dfLeL Lyn LeevveLed ftoo het uuLyesy Lhal you weal Lo
New York?
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I think when she went to the Philippines.
Q
Okay. She went for like a vacation to go to
visit her family?
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No. I'm not really good. There was time
went there because I think I sometimes interchange, but
I
went they, nn, time herauee to rover
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ms. maxwell's housekeeper.
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Okay.
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And when she was having a party.
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Okay. So those are two separate times?
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Yea. Two separate times.
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Both relating to Ms. Maxwell?
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No. The first one was -- first one to cover
up for Lyn.
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Right. I understood that. But after that,
when you came back --
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There was a time -- I don't know the sequence,
but you know, there was a time I have to cover up for
Ms. Maxwell's housekeeper.
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Florena.
Q
And then there was another time where you went
to work for this party that she had, correct?
A
Yes.
Q
Okay. And the fourth time?
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When Lyn went to the Philippines.
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Okay. About how long were these visits each
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Sometimes a week, two weeks, then there was a
time I stayed there for like a month.
Q
Which was that, when she had her surgery, Lyn
had her surgery, or was this a different time?
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Oh, what's this? Let me see. I cannot
really, what's this?
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Take your time, take your time.
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Oh. When, what's this, Ms. Maxwell's
housekeeper, I was to cover up for her because tor jury
duty. And then she was not part of the jury, so my stay
there was, like, extended. That's how I was able to
help with the party.
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She did not get on the jury?
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Yes. she was called.
Q
But you stayed anyway to help with the party?
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Yes.
Q
I think I understand. Now, have you ever,
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while you've been employed by Mr. Epstein, traveled
anywhere else for work?
A
No, sir.
Q
Those trips to New York was the only time
you've traveled?
A
Yes, sir.
Q
You've never gone to New Mexico or to the
Virgin Islands for Mr. Epstein?
A
No.
(Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 2 was marked for
identification.)
BY MR.
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Let me show you what's been marked Exhibit 2.
Does it look like the paper that you were talking about
earlier where you wrote the names and the time?
A
Yee, sir.
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Okay. So this is kind of a notebook or a
message pad notebook that was I think you said located
by the pantry?
A
Yes, sir.
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can you look through this and cell me if any
of these, point out any of those that are in your
handwriting?
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recognize your handwriting.
MR. CRITTON: You asked her to identify if she
sees anything in her writing?
MR.
: Yes.
THE WITNESS: (Shaking head.)
BY MR.
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Okay. I understand your response is that you
reviewed the various message slips included in Exhibit
No. 2 and none of them are your writing, correct?
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Yes, correct.
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But you do recall writing messages on this
type of pad for Mr. Epstein, correct?
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Correct.
MR. CRITTON:
that was exhibit what at
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MR.
: Exhibit 1 at Mr. Rodriguez's
deposition.
MR. CRITTON: Okay.
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O
In the period 2004 to 2008 before Mr. Epstein
went to jail, do you recall whether there were females
who were sitting at the pool in the home at 358
El Brillo Way who were topless?
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There was one time.
One time you remember. Tell me what happened
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I was tidying the living room, then not
really -- there was like part of the wall, so I saw one
female there but not really, I saw it like this side
(indicating), so...
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She was at the pool, or inside the house?
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This side, not really frontal, but on the side
I saw only -- I saw her side, not really like...
: His question was, was she
inside the house or out by the pool when you saw
her from the side.
THE WITNESS: The question -- they were in the
pool.
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okay. So she was not wearing a bathing suit
top, correct?
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Yes.
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Was she wearing a bathing suit bottom?
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I did not know.
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And how did you -- did you do anything in
response to this?
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No. I went to, what's this, to kitchen and I
told Alfredo not to go to the pool.
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And this was the only time you ever remember
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Yes.
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Were there frequently females at the pool to
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No. Not frequently.
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Not frequently. Sometimes?
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Sometimes.
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Mr. Epstein would travel with some females, I
think they would come on the plane with him to the
house; is that correct?
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You can answer.
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I cannot remember if they -- let me see. I
remember
Because when Mr. Epstein arrives, most
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Let me ask the question this way: Were there
Females other than
who would come with Mr. Epstein
on the plane and stay at the house?
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Stay overnight at the house?
MR. CRITTON: Same.
THE WITNESS: I did not know if they came with
Mr. Epstein, I did not see.
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Yes.
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Did any of the females who came to the kitchen
entrance to give a massage, did any of them stay
overnight?
A
No, sir.
Q
Never, correct?
A
Yes, sir.
MR. CRITTON: Did you say correct and she said
yes?
MR.
: Yes.
MR. CRITTON: Okay. Thank you.
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The girl at the pool who was topless, do you
recall what her name was?
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I cannot remember.
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Was she a girl who had come to give
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THE WITNESS: No.
BY MR.
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The females who came to give Mr. Epstein a
massage, did they ever use the pool?
MR. CRITTON: Form, predicate.
THE WITNESS: I did not see.
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A
Yes.
Q
You mentioned in your testimony earlier that
there was a back massager that was in Mr. Epstein's
bedroom, correct?
A
In the massage room.
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floor, on the massage table, where did you find it?
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Sometimes on the, what's this, the table,
sometimes on the floor.
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correct?
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You referred to it as a back massager,
correct?
A
Yes.
Q
And did you do anything to this, did you put
strike that.
Did you put away this massager?
A
I return it to the drawer.
Q
Was that a drawer in the armoire?
A
No. In the bathroom.
Q
In the bathroom cabinet?
A
Yes.
Q
Were there other items in the drawer?
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Lotions.
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MR. CRITTON: Form.
BY MR.
•
-- that were in the drawer?
MR. CRITTON: Sorry. Form.
THE WITNESS: From Hodyworks, aroma massage
therapy.
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Yes.
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Anything else in the drawer?
A
That's all. And I put some, like, hand
towels.
Q
In the drawer?
A
Yeah. On the side.
Q
Was there any -- was there just one drawer
that was used for these massage materials, or was there
more than one drawer?
A
There is only one drawer.
Q
Would you do anything to this massager before
you put it in the drawer?
A
No. I just return it there.
Q
Did you ever clean it?
A
There was one time I clean it.
Q
One time you clean it. About how many times
did this happen that you picked up the massager and put
it in the drawer; did it happen many times?
A
Yes.
Q
So on this one occasion why did you clean it?
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Because I thought it was, like, dirty, so I
clean it.
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Explain to me how it was dirty.
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There is -- the color is -- like you know
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when something is not clean. So I very particular about
cleanliness, so I...
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Did you believe that there was a sexual fluid
on it and that's why you cleaned it?
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No.
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: No.
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Yes.
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No.
MR. CRITTON: Wait. You said
when he said
correct, you said no. Does that mean he's not
correct?
: Did you ever clean body fluids
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THE WITNESS: I don't know if it's fluid,
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Did you ever clean body fluid off of any
massager?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: No.
MR.
: I pass the torch.
CROSS (
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Q
I'm the mysterious voice that was on the phone
before, and now you get the privilege of seeing me in
person. I'm teasing, the privilege is mine. I won't be
very long with you, I promise.
I want to follow up on this line of
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instances in which you put back what you believed to be
some kind of massage implement into the bathroom drawer,
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One time.
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All right. And you said that it appearnl rn
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A
Yes.
Q
Did you have any idea of what it was that
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A
No, sir.
Q
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that you were cleaning off that item that you believed
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Correct.
Q
Okay. How did you clean the item that one
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I use a paper towel, wet the paper towel and
wipe it.
Q
All right. Where was the item stained?
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On the tip of the massager.
Q
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Elongated thing, and then on the tip is like a
round part. So I thought it's used for massaging.
Q
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power, did it have a cord, did it have batteries, did it
move; do you know?
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I don't know.
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ma'am?
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On the tip of the, what's this.
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It looks like it's dirty, like brown thing.
•
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did it look like it was some kind of dried liquid on
there?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: I really don't know. I just,
what's this, dirty, so I just clean it. Because I
thought it was lotion because he have lotion there
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No, sir.
: Hold on. I think your question
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: Did you ever complain?
THE WITNESS: I never complain, because
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No.
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Epstein's house and give him massages?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
BY MR.
Q
Do you understand the question?
A
Yes.
Q
Okay.
A
If you'll show me a picture then.
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No, ma'am. What I'm asking you to do, as an
employee of Jeffrey Epstein's for many many years, and
for many many years these ladies, young ladies, these
females would come to his house and give him massages,
do you remember the faces of any of them?
A
Maybe one or two.
Q
All right. Earlier you testified that
sometimes the same girl would come back, the same young
lady would come back more than one time?
A
Yes.
•
How many young ladies can you recall making
multiple visits to Jeffrey Epstein's house for the
purpose of giving him massages?
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Maybe two.
Q
Maybe two?
A
Yes.
Q
And you can recall certainly their faces?
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THE WITNESS: Yes.
BY MR.
Q
Okay. So far there are at least two young
ladies who you can close your eyes and remember their
faces, right?
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Yes.
Q
Are there more than two young ladies that you
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No. Maybe two.
Q
Just two?
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Two.
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Do you recall the names of any of these young
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No, sir.
Q
-- who would come over?
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The name
doesn't ring a bell
to you at all?
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Excuse me?
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No, sir.
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(Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 3 was marked for
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I'm not sure.
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Yes.
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I don't know their age.
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Exhibit 3?
A
That's right.
Q
You don't know whether you've seen her or not?
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No. Yes.
: Hold on. She said no, yes.
THE WITNESS: I'm not so sure if I've seen
her, but you know, the face seems familiar.
BY MR.
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You don't know how you would have met this
young lady anywhere else other than Jeffrey Epstein's
house, do you?
MR. CRITTON: Form, speculation.
THE WITNESS: What was the question again?
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Q
Sure. We were talking earlier about your
being unsure whether you had met this particular young
lady pictured in Plaintiff's 3, and my question is you
wouldn't have seen her someplace other than
Jeffrey Epstein's house, right?
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I'm not. sure.
Q
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familiar to you?
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Yes.
Q
Okay. Describe for me the two young ladies
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that you can remember when you close your eyes as being
one of the young ladies that would come over to
Epstein's house and give him massages. What do they
look like? Let's start with number one, what did she
look like?
A
The picture that he showed me, what's her
name, Haley or something? I recognize that one.
Q
Let me ask you, the two young ladies that you
can imagine that you can see in your mind's eye that
provided Epstein massages when you were working there,
were those young ladies both in the binder that was
shown to you earlier that was Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 1,
or are we talking about different ladies?
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I remember that lady there.
MR.
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don't know that she said that the first time.
THE WITNESS: Not this one.
: Not that one?
THE WITNESS: Not that one.
MR.
: She said that.
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She said that.
Which one is this, so we're clear?
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: This should be 1-N from my
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So you recognize 1-N there?
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I recognize one, that's the one that...
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What's her -- I
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THE WITNESS: I don't know if she give
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Okay. When I started the line of questioning
a few minutes ago, I asked you to close your eyes and
imagine the faces of any of the young ladies that would
come to Epstein's house and give him massages. You said
that you can recall two such young ladies, right?
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Yes.
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All right. And so you don't remember whether
this lady in 1-F provided massages to Epstein, correct?
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Correct.
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can close your eyes and see as one of the young ladies
who would come over to provide massages, right?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: So I can only picture maybe one.
1 thought this
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then -- so I get confused, so I can't remember
this, and I'm telling you that I don't know if she
gives massages.
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Let me give you chance to answer it again.
Okay. If you close your eyes and think back, are you
able to see in your mind's eye the faces of any of the
young ladies that would come over to your boss,
Jeffrey Epstein, for the purpose of giving him massages?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: No.
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these women would come, excuse me, these females would
come to Mr. Epstein's house for the purpose of providing
him massages, how many years are we talking about?
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: When she worked there.
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When you worked there.
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: No. Listen and answer the
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Form.
THE WITNESS:
Since I work?
And then one
year.
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remember the faces of any of the females that would come
to your boss's house, Jeffrey Epstein's house, over the
period of years for the purposes of providing him
massages?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: No.
BY MR.
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It's true that you don't remember any of the
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If you show me picture, then
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No, ma'am. I'm asking you what you remember.
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You don't remember any of their faces?
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Q
All right. Earlier you were asked about the
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like one of those individuals is named Igor, the
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All right.
MR.
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Currently.
: Thank you.
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When was the last time you saw Igor?
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You saw him today?
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When was Lhe time before that the last time
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The last time?
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Yes, ma'am. You saw him today. When was the
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One week ago.
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All right.
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Because T was on vacation.
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So you've been off for a week?
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Yes, sir.
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So what day was it a week ago that you saw
Igor the trainer?
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I think 9th, October 9th.
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Yen, Air.
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Yes.
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And what is Igor's last name, do you know?
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I don't know.
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Does Zinoviev sound familiar?
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Igor "Z," is that what you're saying? Yes?
Igor then the letter "Z"?
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Yes, sir.
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Then you worked yesterday, right?
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Yes.
Q
And you saw him?
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No.
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When was the last time you saw him? You saw
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Today.
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Ah. Okay. And what was he doing today?
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He was waiting to drive Mr. Epstein.
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Can you rephrase the question?
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Sure. Do you know if he went anywhere in
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October 9th?
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Janusz told me he will be on vacation.
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He will be on vacation? When will he be on
vacation.
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The time that I will not be there.
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Oh. You were both on vacation?
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Yes.
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So he's back now from what you believe to be
his vacation?
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Yes.
Q
No reason he can't show up for a deposition,
right?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: I don't know.
MR.
: I don't know, either. Okay.
That's all I have. Thank you.
THE WITNESS: You're welcome.
MR. CRITTON: Can I switch with you?
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, my name is Bob Critton, I represent
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questions that have been asked to you.
If I understood your earlier testimony --
well, let me ask you this: Do you have any personal
knowledge that any female ever gave Mr. Epstein a
massage; that is, were you ever present when a massage
took place?
A
No, sir.
Q
So you've been asked a lot of questions about
females coming to the house to give Mr Epstein a
massage, right? You've been asked a lot of questions
about that today?
A
Yes, sir.
Q
Okay. As to whether or not any female ever
gave Mr. Epstein a massage, do you have any personal
knowledge?
A
No, sir.
Q
All right
You were asked a question by
Mr.
and others as how many faces of the females you
remember who came to Mr. Epctoin'o houoo to give him a
massage, do you remember any faces. Do you recall those
questions?
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Yes.
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Would it be a correct statement that you're
unaware of any females that came to his house that you
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know actually gave him a massage? Is that correct?
A
Correct.
Q
You were shown a document marked Exhibit 2
which was a bunch of message pads. Well, it was an
exhibit, a composite exhibit that included a lot of
message pads -- let me start again.
Exhibit 2 has a lot of message pads, I'm
sorry, a lot of papers. It looks like it has four
"Important Message" and then there's a place to list who
called, the date, and what the response should be;
correct?
A
Yes.
Q
All right. You were asked earlier by
Mr.
whether you took phone calls for Mr. Epstein
from any females who called about giving a massage. If
I understood your testimony, no conversation that you
ever -- well, let me strike that.
If I understood your testimony, you never had
a conversation with a female who called on the phone
where the word "massage" was used?
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NO, sir.
Q
Is that correct?
A
Correct.
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' questions about taking messages, did you
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just take -- that is, if a female called or a male
called or whoever called and you happened to answer the
phone, if they wanted to leave a message, did you fill
out a message pad?
A
Correct.
Q
All right. So it didn't have to be a female
who was giving a massage; it could have been a florist,
it could have been a friend, it could have been anyone
as far as ymn knnw7
MR.
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MR.
: Object to the form.
THE WITNESS: Correct.
BY MR. CRITTON:
Q
Well, did anyone ever say I'd like to come
over and give Mr. Epstein a massage to you?
A
NO.
MR.
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yet, but is an objection by one good for all, or do
we need to repeat everybody cloc'e objection?
MR.
I think it's good for all.
: I'm fine with that.
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Q
If I understand your testimony, in the
approximately three years that you worked at
Mr. Epstein's house before June of '08, so it would have
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been the latter part of '05, '06, '07, and then '08
through June, on the rare occasion you might answer a
doorbell and someone might come in, that is, a female
might come in who purportedly was to give Mr. -- let me
strike that.
As to any of the females that came to the door
and punched the doorbell and you answered, do you know
why they were there; that is, do you have any personal
knowledge as to why they were there?
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Sometimes.
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Okay. And how would you know that?
A
Either Alfredo will tell me that this one is
expected.
Q
Who was going to give a massage? He might say
something like that, or just that the person is
expected?
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No. Is expected.
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During '04 -- I'm sorry.
MR. CR1170M: What did she say, '05 when she
started?
MR.
She started November of 2004,
but then she just recently changed it to say she
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MR. CRITTON: That may have been me.
BY MR. CRITTON:
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Did you start in 2004, November 2004?
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Yes. November.
Q
When you started in November of 2004 and up
through 2005, on how many occasions would you have
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said you can expect such and such?
Does that make sense to you?
MR.
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Do you want me to rephrase that?
A
Can you rephrase it?
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If I understood your testimony, your business
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straightening up, things of that nature?
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Yes.
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No.
Q
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at the mall if you're not there, right?
MR.
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THE WITNESS: Correct.
BY MR. CRITTON:
Q
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occasions would you have ever answered the door during
the '04, '05 time period where a female came in and you
left them alone in the kitchen or offered them something
to drink? Are we talking three or four times, are we
talking five or ten times, or more or less?
MR.
Form.
THE WITNESS: That specific time?
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started in '04 through the end of '05.
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I cannot remember how many times.
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Rarely.
Q
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, did you ever
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Q
On how many occasions, your best recollection?
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Rarely. Maybe.
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Let me rephrase my question.
During the period '04 and '05, through the end
of '05; that is, November of '04 through the end of '05,
approximately how many times did you see someone, a
female, who would come from upstairs downstairs? And
I'm not talking about
or
or someone there
who was there regularly.
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Maybe three times.
Q
Okay. And on the three times that you saw
someone come down the stairs, you saw them where, in the
kitchen?
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Yes.
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No.
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Did any those people cry for help?
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'05 did you ever hear a female cry for help?
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No.
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Did you ever hear them yell out for help?
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A
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Q
Did anyone ever tell you that they were
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Q
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You were asked a number of questions by
Mr.
about what was taken from the house by the
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Correct, I remember.
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Were you present when the police took certain
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That's correct?
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Correct.
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Correct.
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Do you know whether or not that's a picture or
Mr. Epstein's Goddaughter?
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By whom?
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Lyn up in New York?
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Is the item that you saw similar to something
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Yes.
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I have a good relationship with Ms. Maxwell.
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Ms. Maxwell.
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So my question to you is was Mr. Rodriguez
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We have our own job. He told me he is my
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MR.
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Why not?
MR.
Object to the form.
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Jerome talked to me, and I told Alfredo not to use my
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Yes. I remember.
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No, sir.
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All right. And if he said that, was he lying?
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Pope, I ask you to assume that he said that, would that
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That's a lie.
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Yes.
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No.
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Did Mr. Rodriguez ever lie to you?
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MR.
: Form.
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One time.
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and I receive a call from Alfredo, and he told me not to
answer any call from New York.
Q
Did he tell you why?
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He said I'm going to help you and you help me.
So I did not know what he means by that. And then I
receive a call from one of the secretary, so they said
where are you,
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Were you in the mall?
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Yes.
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I was off.
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Yes.
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She did.
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asked me to cover for him.
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Okay. And if I understood your testimony, he,
Mr. Rodriguez said if you get a call from New York,
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Yes.
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Yes.
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That's what you understood?
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That's what I
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THE WITNESS:
REDIRECT
understand.
That's all I have. Thank you
You're welcome.
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Have you ever met with Mr. Critton before?
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Yesterday.
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Okay. Was it your idea to meet with
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No, sir.
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Okay. So when Mr. Critton sat down and said
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Yes.
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Okay. SO that was just a show for everybody
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before?
MR. CRITTON: It was for the record.
THE WITNESS: No, sir.
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Okay. What did you talk about with
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MR.
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MR. CRITTON: She's my employee.
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vo you understand this to be your aLLorney,
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MR.
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do with employment.
MR. CRITTON: I don't care. Take it up with
the judge. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
MR.
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MR. CRITTON: Pardon?
MR.
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He is. He was.
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Mr. Rodriguez on one occasion asked you to cover for
him?
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Not to answer the phone call from New York.
Q
You don't
know why he told
you not
to answer
the phone call from New York?
A
He mentioned -- he said that one day I'm,
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You help me?
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Yes.
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You don't know what that means, though?
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No.
Q
And the time where there was some
confrontation between, or there was some dispute over
Jerome the gardener being at work or not being at work,
that's something that Mr. Rodriguez tried to bring you
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Yes.
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And was that with Mr. Epstein or with
Ms. Maxwell or Ms.
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Ms. -- again?
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is a witness
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To Jerome.
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Okay. So he's telling Jerome hey, Ms.
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Yes.
Q
Okay. And you said don't use my name any
more?
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Because Jerome talked to me and he said, he
mention to me what Alfredo told him, so I went to
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Okay. And prior to the police coming to the
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bedroom, right?
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Yes.
Q
was that massage table there after the police
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No.
Q
Okay. So before when you told us all they
took were photographs, do you know whether or not the
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Strike that, withdraw the form.
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like...
: Hold on. Do you understand his
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Do you know if the police took the massage
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No.
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You don't know who took the massage table out
of the house?
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No.
Q
Okay. We were talking about a time period
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came in in the afternoon because you had received a call
from Ghislaine Maxwell. Do you remember that scenario?
A
Yes.
Q
When you received the call from
Ghislaine Maxwell, you didn't know at that time that the
police had ever been to the house, right?
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No.
: Hold on.
She didn't answer the question that you asked.
MR.
I thought she had already said
no.
: I think the way yuu asked it,
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the afternoon, at that point in time you didn't know
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No.
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You found out for the first time that the
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Correct.
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Okay. That call from Ghislaine Maxwell, your
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So that call from Ghislaine Maxwell was
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I think in the same day.
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All right. You told me earlier that she
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I cannot remember. You know, I have problem
with remembering days and what's this.
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I can understand problems with memory. But
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I am.
Okay. Do you remember that day if you were
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I think nine.
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I get confused, because during that time my
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sometimes I go eight.
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A
Because we were told that we don't -- don't
baby the house. So since Mr. Epstein is not there, so I
report between eight or nine.
Q
Okay. So when you say that you were a
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to show up at eight you showed up at least by
eight o'clock, and if you were supposed to show up at
nine, you showed up at least by nine o'clock, right?
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Yes.
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I do.
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Cell phone.
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Yes.
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And what did Ms. Maxwell say on the telephone
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That's it.
Q
All right. And did you ask why?
A
No. I just thought that maybe she's giving
like half a day off, so I was happy.
Q
Was Ghislaine Maxwell calling you from
New York, or was she in West Palm Beach?
A
I don't know where she was calling me.
Q
When you arrived at the house in West Palm
Beach, was Ghislaine Maxwell there?
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NO.
: You mean the house in
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MR.
. Okay. Understood.
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I cannot remember if it was early, but I got a
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on the same page here, you were either supposed to show
up at eight or at nine o'clock, and you can't tell us
which one, right?
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Yes, sir. Because I don't how to explain
this.
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And you were not in the car at the time when
you received the telephone call from Ghislaine Maxwell,
right?
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Yes.
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So we can all presume, it's a very safe
presumption at this point that the telephone call from
Ghislaine Maxwell was made to you prior to 8:30 in the
morning on that. particular morning, right?
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Yes.
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You think that there were thirty year olds
that showed up to give massage?
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No. Because there are people that look young
but, you know, they may be older than what they, how
they look.
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And in the period of time from November 2004
through the time that Mr. Epstein went to jail, which is
2008, you testified that he received from these females
two to three massages or visits from these females per
day every day, right?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: I said not every day. I
remember that, my answer.
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Okay. But almost every day, fair?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: Yes.
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BY MR.
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So if you're only seeing them one time, that
could be the reason why you can't think back and
remember these particular faces of every single one of
these female girls, right?
MR. CRITTON: Form, leading.
THE WITNESS: Yes.
BY MR.
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so many different young-looking female girls arrived at
Mr. Epstein's house, how he got in touch with this many
girls?
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Did you ever wonder?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: It was strange, but that's his
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•
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THE WITNESS: I did not see, I did not go
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•
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I am.
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You want to keep your employment with
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MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: If he'll fire me, I -- you know,
they told me to tell, to be honest, to tell the
truth, my lawyers.
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•
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A bunch of these girls are all alleging that
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acts with them, and that these were not massages taking
place. You're aware of those allegations now, right?
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girls money, cash money to be subjected to sex; had you
ever heard that?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: I heard now.
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And that if they agree to bring their friends
who are also of that same age group, that each friend
they brought over to his house he would then pay them
for recruiting a new friend. Did you know that?
MR. CRITTON: Form.
THE WITNESS: No.
BY MR.
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Now it all kind of makes sense how he gets all
these young little girls over to his house, right?
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Has anybody?
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I did not hear them talk about it, so I
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THE WITNESS: Yes.
MR.
Okay. Perfect. I don't have
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THE WITNESS: But if he fires me, you know.
MR.
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RECROSS
Just a couple of questions.
•
Tnis meeting that you had with Mr. Critton and
yesterday, where did it take place?
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In Mr. Critton's office.
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Mr. Critton's office?
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Is that Mr. Critton's assistant?
assistant? You don't know.
MR.
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I'm sorry.
told
you where to go for the meeting?
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Yes.
Q
You testified that Mr. Rodriguez was
terminated, according to your understanding, for not
buying groceries when Mr. Epstein came into the house;
is that correct?
A
Yes.
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Who told you that that was the reason?
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Ms. Maxwell told me that Alfredo should --
Ms. Maxwell told me that Alfredo should not -- Alfredo
should always like, I don't know.
: Answer the question you were
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THE WITNESS: Ms. Maxwell.
I'm sorry.
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Why did Ms. Maxwell tell you about the reasons
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Because there was one time that I called the
agency that I'm going to quit.
Q
okay. And why was that?
A
Because Alfredo was not listening to my
complaints.
Q
What were you complaining about?
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Like my hand was already -- like I have to
help in the kitchen and then, like, iron. So I said my
hand is numb already, and Alfredo did not even pay
attention. So I called the agency to find another job.
Q
I'm confused. I thought you were employed
so you weren't employed by the agency at this point, you
were going to go back to the agency to find another job;
is that fair to say?
A
Yes.
Q
And this is before you even complained to
Ms. Maxwell?
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I did not complain to Ms. Maxwell.
Q
And that was because Mr. Rodriguez was your
supervisor, correct?
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THE WITNESS: At that time, yes.
BY MR.
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Did that ever change, before Mr. Rodriguez
left the employment?
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Yes.
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When did it change?
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Because I was told that we have to work
together, but he was like, you know, like very bossy.
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You didn't like Mr. Rodriguez, did you?
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No. I, what's this, I like him first, but
then he keeps on talking and talking and talking and
criticizing. And then he lied, there was one instance I
want to tell you that he also lied.
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There was one time I was still new, and
then --
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I'm sorry. You were what?
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Still new. You don't understand my English.
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That's okay. Take your time.
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What's this? Before I leave, I always, like,
go around tidy.
And then that time the master bedroom
was closed, so I told Alfredo it's closed, so I went
back Co him. He said no, no, no, they went to the
movies. And I went back again, but then I feel that
it's not proper, so I knock again. No. I did not
knock, I went down again to talk to Alfredo. So I went
back again and knock, and then Mr. Epstein was in the
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And the next day Alfredo told me that
Mr. Epstein will fire me. And Alfredo, I was, what's
this. I was disappointed in Alfredo because he should
have told Mr. Epstein if he is like a good boss that it
was his fault because I'm still new there and I don't,
what's this, he was telling me that nobody is there in
the bedroom.
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And so Mr. Epstein was going to fire you for
knocking on the bedroom door while he was in the
bedroom?
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That's what Alfredo said, told me.
Q
Okay. But Mr. Epstein didn't fire you,
correct?
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No.
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What was Mr. Epstein doing in the bedroom when
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Maybe taking a nap. I don't know.
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Was he in the bedroom with anyone at the time?
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I don't know.
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You never heard anything else from anyone
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happened after this?
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No. That was only from Alfredo.
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from Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell but you never heard
anything else; is that it?
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No.
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You continued with your job, yuLreuL?
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Yes, sir.
Q
Well, why did you speak to Ms. Maxwell about
the reasons that Mr. Rodriguez was terminated?
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Why I talk to Ms. Maxwell?
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Yes.
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I think she called me to be in the house when
Alfredo comes.
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To be in -- what do you mean?
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Because Alfredo at that time was on vacation.
Q
Okay. And they were terminating him when he
came back?
MR. CRITTON. Form.
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I'm not understanding.
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Alfredo told me that he asked for a vacation,
so he was on vacation at that time.
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about why she's terminating Alfredo?
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She didn't tell me that she's going to
terminate Alfredo, but she told me to stay in the house
because Alfredo will come and pick up his things.
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Oh. So she wanted you to watch Alfredo when
he came to pick up his things?
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Yes. And to get something, like a folder from
Alfredo.
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Okay. And at that time the reason that she
gave you, according to your testimony, for terminating
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A
She did not tell me that time that she is
going to terminate Alfredo because he did not buy, but
she was upset also that Alfredo did not guy groceries.
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MR.
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MR.
:
Ma'am, can you just put your
telephone number on the record just so that we can
get in touch with you if we need to find you for
trial
or something?
:
You can contact me.
MR.
:
Even if,
you know, God forbid,
the trial
is a year from now and she's
not an
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Epstein employee and you don't have it?
: I will be -- I'm her lawyer,
you can contact her through me and I'll find her.
MR.
: Perfect. Good enough for me.
All right. Read or waive?
Read.
THE COURT REPORTER: Do you need to order?
MR.
Yes.
THE COURT REPORTER: Who needs copies?
MR. CRITTON: Are you getting it typed?
MR.
Yes.
MR. CRITTON: I'll take a copy, front page
only, mini, with a text.
MR.
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MR.
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I, the undersigned authority, certify that
personally appeared before me on the
20th of October, 2009, and was duly sworn.
Dated this 30th day of October, 2009.
Teresa Whalen, RPR, FPR
Notary Public - State of Florida
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I, Teresa Whalen, Registered Professional
Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of
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IN RE:
III. v. EPSTEIN
CASE NO.: 502008CA028052XXXXMB AD
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