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FD.302 (Rev. 54-'0) -1 of 5 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION °meta Recoup Date of entry 02/24/2021 , date of birth (DOB) was interviewed over video conference. Present on the video call were attorneys- Also present via video was Assistant United States Attorneys III, and , along with Special Agent After being notified of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, provided the following information: was still very afraid of GHISLAINE MAXWELL. MAXWELL is a powerful woman. was made aware of this during her time with JEFFREY EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. is concerned about retaliation because MAXWELL is not a nice woman. described MAXWELL as vicious. observed that MAXWELL did not like women very much. The strongest memory has of MAXWELL is her first encounter with her. believed this was the first or one of the first encounters she had with MAXWELL. They were on EPSTEIN's island. There was some training between MAXWELL, , and another woman MAXWELL was very short and rude to and MAXWELL thought very little of them. They ate a lot of meals together and a lot of things were ignored when and would speak. MAXWELL was stuck up, snobby, and cold. EPSTEIN would say that MAXWELL was jealous because MAXWELL was madly in love with him and would do anything for him. MAXWELL worked for EPSTEIN. The first encounter was where and were on the porch with MAXWELL. MAXWELL made it clear that and were there to pleasure EPSTEIN if they wanted to keep him in their lives for him to help them. MAXWELL wanted to teach them how to pleasure EPSTEIN correctly. It was very clear to MAXWELL that did not have much sexual experience. Investigation on 01/27/2021 at New York, New York, United States (, Other (Video)) File" SOD-NY-3027571 Dalednfled 01/27/2021 by This document contains neither nmunmendations nor conclusions or the FBI. II is the property or the FBI and ts loaned to your agency; 31 and its contents me not to be distributed ouisule your agency. 3501.484406 Page 1 of5 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00096004 EFTA01250060 FD•302a (Rev. 5.810) 50D-NY-3027571 Continuation ofFD•302 or (U) Interview of .on 01/27/2021 .Page 2 of 5 It was about whatever EPSTEIN wanted. While on the porch, MAXWELL showed them different ways of how a man's genitals could be pleasured; she showed them where to touch. MAXWELL demonstrated with her hand and fist. It was clear that it would be wise for them to take seriously what she was teaching them and to perform it on him. At some point when MAXWELL was showing them how to do things, EPSTEIN came out on the porch. was embarrassed. They were on the couch with their back to the movie theater, and EPSTEIN's office was nearby. When EPSTEIN walked onto the porch, he asked them what they were doing. MAXWELL told him that she was teaching them. EPSTEIN said, "Good, you girls listen to Ghislaine; she knows what she's doing." At first, laughed it did not know MAXWELL thought what she was that did not want to authoritative. off. It was clear that she was uncomfortable. knew what was happening with her and EPSTEIN. doing with EPSTEIN was private. MAXWELL knew do those things. From there on out MAXWELL was At some point prior to the teaching on the porch, had been introduced to MAXWELL. was made aware that MAXWELL had a lot of power. EPSTEIN said that MAXWELL was the madame of the island or something like that. The chef and staff were very attentive to MAXWELL in a way they were not like with or others. MAXWELL would tell the staff what EPSTEIN liked or did not like. did not see MAXWELL booking flights like ould. recalled she went to EPSTEIN's island shortly after meeting him. thought this was around December 2006 or January 2007. talked about a time where she went for a walk on the island and got in trouble. She was told that she had to be present at all times for EPSTEIN and she needed to ask before she could go anywhere. interacted with MAXWELL several times at EPSTEIN's New York mansion. was not involved in a threesome with MAXWELL. thought MAXWELL disliked her because EPSTEIN liked thought 3501.484-006 Page 2 of 5 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00096005 EFTA01250061 FD•302a (Rev. 5.810) 50D-NY-3027571 CnnlinumumufFD•302o1 (U) Interview of .On 01/27/2021 .Page 3 of 5 EPSTEIN purposely kept her and MAXWELL separate. There were a few times where EPSTEIN was stern with MAXWELL. He was angry with MAXWELL. saw them in an argument. MAXWELL was a staple in EPSTEIN's life; she was there a lot. her multiple times when MAXWELL would be arriving or leaving. not remember there being months passing without seeing her. MAXWELL on the island, the New York mansion, and she thought they may have met up in New York City at one point, but she was not sure. went on errands with EPSTEIN while in New York City. did not believe that MAXWELL was on the same visit when went to New Mexico. saw did saw On the island, when arrived, there were younger women there. did not know their ages; some of them did not speak English. shared a room. It seemed that JEAN LUC BRUNEL and MAXWELL were in contact with each other. It felt to that when she arrived on the island it was a changing of shift because MAXWELL knew the women. When the boat dropped off, the girls left the next day. It seemed that MAXWELL had some type of authority over them. recalled a young woman bringing something to the office and MAXWELL said that EPSTEIN did not like that. MAXWELL told them what to do. MAXWELL was a little harsher with thought MAXWELL was harsher to because MAXWELL brought in. MAXWELL would tell them how to dress and how to behave. understands the difference between what she was told back then and now. did not know if MAXWELL mentioned an actual massage. gave EPSTEIN very real massages that turned into incidents where sexual things occurred. did not understand then that sexual acts were not apart of massages. MAXWELL would very much tap into sexual situations; she told how to pinch EPSTEIN's nipples. MAXWELL would say something like, "When you massage Jeffrey, this is what you should do." felt strongly that MAXWELL said this. 3501.484-006 Page 3 of 5 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00096006 EFTA01250062 ID.302.1 (Rev. 5.810) 50D-NY-3027571 UominemumolTD•301Wr (U) Interview of .On 01/27/2021 .page 4 of 5 There was a massage table in the bedroom; everyone knew there was a table in there. There were dark shades in the room. MAXWELL set things up for dinner then would say, "set up the massage table, Jeffrey wants a massage". believed it would be a massage that turned into sexual encounters. When MAXWELL was not there, would tell her to set things up. A lot of times it came from mouth as well. When was asked if she was asked to bring someone, she said EPSTEIN threatened her that it would be in her best interest to do so. There were subtle hints that EPSTEIN and would give to her. EPSTEIN gave less money because she did not bring people. EPSTEIN sent to massage school to find other girls. was attending The condition EPSTEIN told her was "you should find girls for me". EPSTEIN threw out of the apartment he owned. friend knew the girl who introduced to EPSTEIN. told what EPSTEIN said about finding girls. knew situation with EPSTEIN. was a free spirit and said she would visit EPSTEIN. They were both very poor. felt guilty but said she was fine. EPSTEIN did not like because she was not innocent enough. was supposed to come to the island for birthday. EPSTEIN manipulated did not think anything would happen. EPSTEIN had met before because he was supposed to help her IIII had seen bring boyfriends to the island and nothing happened so she assumed nothing would happen to EPSTEIN clearly liked young women. He never said an age to but he told them how they were getting too old for him. EPSTEIN said that when a woman passed 21/22 years old, she was past her prime. EPSTEIN liked those that were innocent or those that had not had a lot of sexual activity. thought he wanted those under 22 years old because she thought he did not even want that old. was nervous because she was 20 years old at the time. recalled a conversation with and she thought where it was wondered why she could not be like those girls who could go out to clubs and get women. MAXWELL reiterated the same thing in that in order to keep EPSTEIN's 3501.484-006 Page 4 of 5 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00096007 EFTA01250063 ID.302.1 (Rev. 5.810) 50D-NY-3027571 CnnlinunumarD•302o1 (U) Interview of .On 01/27/2021 ,page 5 of 5 interest needed to bring other women. MAXWELL said EPSTEIN likes them young and does not like anything above 21/22 years old. thought MAXWELL was the first one to mention this; this could have possibly been before EPSTEIN mentioned it to This would have been around the training period with MAXWELL. Once EPSTEIN got to know he wanted. thought this was when EPSTEIN felt he could trust her. more, it switched to him telling her what When was asked if she knew someone named she replied that was name is IIII , but she preferred When was asked if she knew someone named she replied that name did not come to mind. advised she was better with remembering faces than names. recalled there being a photograph of her with three girls who were dancers but did not recall their names. When was asked if she and EPSTEIN exchanged emails, she replied yes. EPSTEIN was very careful with what he put in emails. did not recall exchanging text messages with EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN talked in person or over the phone about anything private. did not exchange emails or text messages with MAXWELL. 3501.484-006 Page 5 of 5 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00096008 EFTA01250064