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SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK
COUNTY OF NEW YORK
SHELDON BARR and THOMAS GARDNER,
Plaintiffs,
-against-
CITY OF NEW YORK and 116 EAST 65TH
STREET, LLC,
Defendants,
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EXAMINATION BEFORE TRIAL of the Defendant,
116 EAST 65TH STREET, LLC, by GHISLAINE MAXWELL, in
the above-entitied action, held at the above time
and place, taken before a Notary Public of the State
of New York, pursuant to Order and Stipulations
between Counsel.
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APPEARANCE
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THE LAW OFFICE OF JOSEPH FALLEK
Attorney for Plaintiffs
One Battery Park Plaza, 32nd Floor
New York, New York 10004
BY: LARRY FALLEN, ESQ.
CUOMO, LLC.
Attorney for Defendant
116 EAST 65TH STREET, LLC.
200 Old Country Road, Suite 2 South
Mineola, New York 11501
BY: MATTHEW CUOMO, ESQ.
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STIPULATIONS
IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED by and
between(among) counsel for the respective parties
hereto, that:
All rights provided by the C.P.L.R.,
including the right to object to any question,
except as to form, or to move to strike any
testimony at this(these) examinations(s), are
reserved, and, in addition, the failure to object to
any question or to move to strike any testimony at
:his(these) examination(s) shall not be a bar or
waiver to make such motion at, and is reserved for
the trial of this action;
IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED by and
between(among) counsel for the respective parties
hereto, that this(these) examinations(s) may be
sworn to by the witness(es) being examined, before a
Notary Public other than the Notary Public before
whom thisithese) examination(s) was:were) begun; but
the failure to do so, or to return the original of
this(these) examinations(s) to counsel, shall not be
deemed a waiver of the rights provided by
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ST/PULATIONS
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Rules 3116 and 3117 of the C.P.L.R., and shall be
controlled thereby;
IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED by and
between(among) counsel for the respective parties
hereto, that this(these) examinations(s) may be
utilized for all purposes as provided by the
C.P.L.R;
IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED by and
between(among) counsel for the respective parties
hereto, that the filing and certification of the
original of this(these) examination(s) shall be and
the same hereby are waived;
IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED by and
between(among) counsel for the respective parties
hereto, that a copy of the within examination(s)
shall be furnished to counsel representing the
witness(es) testifying, without charge.
IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED by and
between(among) counsel for the respective parties
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hereto, that all rights provided by the C.P.L.R.,
and Part 221 of the Uniform Rules for the Conduct of
Depositions, including the right to object to any
question, except as to form, or to move to strike
any testimony at this examination is reserved; and
in addition, the failure to object to any question
or to move to strike any testimony at this
examination shall not be a bar or waiver to make
such motion at, and is reserved to, the trial of
this action.
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GHISLAINE
M A X W E L L, called as a
witness, having been first duly sworn by a Notary
Public of the State of New York, was examined and
testified as follows:
EXAMINATION BY
MR. FALLEK:
Q.
Please state your name for the record.
A.
Ghislaine Maxwell.
Q.
Please state your address for the record.
A.
44 Kinnerton Street, London, England
SW183X.
MR. FALLEK: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. My
name is Larry Fallek. I represent the
plaintiffs in this action, Sheldon Barr and
Thomas Gardner.
I will be asking you a series of questions
about an accident that occurred back on
September 9, 2015. Many of the questions are
going to involve your ownership. When I say,
"your ownership," I am referring to the
ownership of 116 East 65th Street in
Manhattan.
THE WITNESS: Okay.
MR. FALLEK: Before we start I have a few
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basic rules I want to discuss with you. Please
make all your responses verbally. The Court
Reporter can't take down a shake or nod of the
head. Like you are doing right now.
THE WITNESS: Of course.
MR. FALLEK: Please say yes or no.
THE WITNESS: Yes.
MR. FALLEK: And try not to shrug your
shoulders or anything like that. Just make all
your response verbally.
THE WITNESS: I Shall.
MR. FALLEK: Please let me finish my entire
question before you give an answer. The Court
Reporter cannot take us both down speaking a-
the same time.
Q.
Is that agreeable?
A.
Yes.
HR. FALLEK: It's important that you stop
me if you don't understand a question. If you
do give an answer, I will assume that you
understand my question.
Q.
Is that understood?
A.
Yes.
Q.
The address that you just gave the Cour
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Reporter, how long have you lived there?
A.
'92, '93.
Q.
Is that your primary residence at this
time?
A.
No. It's just a home that I have.
Q.
How many homes do you own back in September
of 2015?
A.
Two.
Q.
Where are those homes?
A.
116 East 65th Street and the one in London.
Q.
When you say, "the one in London," you are
referring to the address that you just gave?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Is that a private home?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Is that home owned by you individually or
some other form?
A.
It's owned by me.
Q.
Is your name on the deed to that property
or the title of the property?
A.
It was back then. 1 kind of -- it was up
until recently. I don't know. I can't remember
what it is now, if I changed it or not.
Q.
Back in September of 2015, did you or any
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of your entities or companies own any other homes?
A.
No.
Q.
What was your primary residence back in
September of 2015?
A.
116 East 65th Street.
Q.
Can you tell me how much time you spent
there, say, back in 2015 from January 1st through
September 9, 2015?
A.
A lot of time. I lived there. That's my
primary residence.
Q.
Did you travel back and forth between
London and New York?
A.
Extensively at. all the time. I just uen't
go to London. I travel all the time to a lot of
different places.
Q.
For what purposes do you travel, business,
pleasure, or something else?
A.
I do business. But, it was also I work
on
work for a not-for-profit. And I do a lot
of time doing conferences and a lot of speeches.
Q.
I'm just talking about the time period of
January 1, 2015 through September 9, 2015.
Would that be true with regard to that time
period?
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A.
Correct.
Q.
Where were you born?
A.
Paris, France.
Q.
What is your date of birth?
A.
The
Q.
Are you a U.S. Citizen at this time?
A.
Yes.
Q.
When did you become a U.S. Citizen?
A.
I don't recall. But it was some time in
the late '90s, mid '90s. I'm not sure. I don't
remember.
Q.
Are you a citizen of any other country?
A.
Yes
Q.
What other countries?
A.
France and England.
Q.
Sorry, France and?
A.
England.
Q.
Are you a citizen or you are a green card
holder?
A.
I'm a citizen.
Q.
Can you tell me about your educational
background? What is the highest level of education
that you have?
A.
I have a master's.
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Q.
In what?
A.
French and history from Oxford. It's a BA
MA. So when you go to Oxford and you get a
bachelor's and some time passes and it turns into a
master's.
Q.
What is the BA in?
A.
French and history.
Q.
It's a combined degree?
A.
Double honors degree in French and history.
Q.
Do you have any other degrees?
A.
No.
Q.
Do you have any professional degrees or
licenses?
A.
I do.
Q.
In what?
A.
I'm a registered emergency technician,
first responder, EMT. I'm a helicopter pilot.
Q.
Sorry?
A.
Helicopter pilot.
Q.
Is your certification as an EMT in the
United States or another country?
A.
In the O.S.
Q.
You didn't offer any medical assistance to
:he Plaintiff in this action?
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A.
No.
O.
Are you presently employed?
A.
No.
G.
Are you self-employed?
No.
Q.
What was the last job that you had?
A.
The last job I had was at Ellmax.
E-L-L-M-A-X.
Q.
What. is Ellmax?
A.
It's no longer in existence.
Q.
What was it?
A.
It was a company I started to advise other
businesses on board placement, placing board of
directors, and any other questions they might have,
conferences, locations for conferences, speakers at
conferences.
Q.
What is the primary business? Is it
Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
I think so.
Q.
Is that a Florida Limited Liability
Company?
A.
Whatever paperwork I have.
I don't recall.
Whatever it says on the paperwork.
MR. FALLEK: I'm going to show you thre.e.
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documents that we will have marked as
Plaintiff's Exhibit 1, 2, 3.
(Whereupon, the document dated 9-18-14,
was received and marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 1
for identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
(Whereupon, the document dated 2-23-15,
was received and marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 2
for identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
(Whereupon, the document dated 3-22-16,
was received and marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 3
for identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
MR. FALLEK: I'm directing your attention
to the document we just marked as Plaintiff's
Exhibit 1 for identification.
Q.
Do you recognize this document to be the
2014 Florida Limited Liability Annual Report for
Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
I have not seen this document before so I
can't say that.
Q.
Just take a look at it.
A.
I'm looking at it, but it's the first time
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I've seen this.
Q.
Did you form Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
I did.
Q.
Is it your company?
A.
IL is. It was.
0.
When was it formed?
A.
I think 2010 or '11.
Q.
Was it formed in Florida?
A.
I guess. I'm sorry, I just don't recall.
Q.
Could you tell me what the business purpose
of Ellmax, LLC. is?
A.
It was a vehicle for me to be able to
advise companies on board of directors and to help
with companies for conferences and speakers for
their conferences.
Q.
Board of directors of what type of
companies are you advising people on?
A.
Mostly technology businesses, because I
know a lot of people in technology. It could be in
anything as a board of directors are needed in any
type of company. And people of good character and
outstanding abilities in business are always needed.
And I, fortunately, have a lot of friends and people
in that area that I will be able to place people in
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those type of companies.
Q.
Was the principal place of business of
Ellmax, LLC. at 116A East 65th Street, New York, New
York?
A.
It wasn't that specific. It was wherever I
was. Everything that is in my head is my contact,
my ideas.
Q.
Specifically the document in front of you,
when you formed it, did you indicate that the
principal place of business was 116 East 65th
Street, New York, New York?
A.
I think it was just filed there. It would
be easier for me other than any other reason.
Q.
Did you sign the documents for the limited
liability company known as Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
I'm sure I did with my lawyers. There was
no reason other than as an address of convenience.
MR. FALLEK: Move to strike the
nonresponsive portion.
THE WITNESS: I'm not trying
NR. FALLEK: Just try focus on the question
that I'm asking you.
THE WITNESS: I'm not trying to be
evasive.
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Q.
Who is
A.
She's my personal assistant.
Q.
How long was she your personal assistant?
A.
More than ten years.
Q.
More than ten years from today?
A.
No. She doesn't work for me anymore.
Q.
When did you start working for you?
A.
Again, some time in 2001, 2002. Something
like that.
Q.
Was she your personal assistant for the
next ten years?
A.
Yeah.
Q.
Was she paid by Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
I paid her myself.
Q.
Did you pay her out of a different company
or different funds or what source?
A.
I don't recall where I paid her from
exactly. She was not an employee of -- I was the
only person that did any work for Ellmax. She was
my personal assistant. She was able -- she would do
anything I would ask her to do as regards to my
travel, whatever. But she was -- she couldn't help
me with Ellmax. She didn't know people to place
them on board. If I directed her to get me on A
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flight or something that may have been in relation
to business opportunity, she would do that.
Q.
What is her current address?
A.
1 don't know.
Q.
Do you know what state she lives in?
A.
I think she's in-somewhere.
Q.
Back in 2016, did she live at 116 East 65th
Street, New York, New York?
A.
No.
Q.
Where did she live in 2016?
A.
Somewhere in New Jersey.
MR. FALLEK: Directing your attention to
Plaintiff's Exhibit 2 for identification.
Q.
Is that the 2015 Florida Limited Liability
Company for Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
Again, I have not seen this before. I have
to take -- I haven't seen this before. So I'm
assuming that's what it is.
Q.
Were regular annual reports filed by
Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
Again, that would have been my accountant,
I would assume, would have a list of what is
expected or legally.
Q.
Who was your accountant back then?
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A.
I am sorry, I don't recall the name at this
moment.
Q.
What was the name of the company that you
worked for?
A.
I don't recall. I am sorry.
Q.
Was he in New York or Florida?
A.
In New York, I believe.
Q•
Was there a reason you chose a Florida
Limited Liability Company for Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
I don't know why. I don't remember.
Q.
Were you also a Florida resident back in
2016?
A.
I lived in Florida at certain times since
moved to the states.
Q.
What is your address in Florida?
A.
I lived in a number of different places in
Florida.
Q.
Do you own real estate in Florida?
A.
No.
Q.
At any point did you maintain a residence
in Florida?
A.
I've never owned a home in Florida.
Q.
Did you rent the same residence in Florida?
A.
No.
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Q.
How many months of the year, let's say, it
2016 did you reside in Florida?
A.
Probably none.
Q.
How much time did you spend in Florida
2016?
A.
Probably, I don't know, less than -- I
don't know. A few weeks. Two weeks, three weeks.
Q.
What about in 2015?
A.
I don't remember the dales. Maybe the
same.
Q.
The principal place of business in 2015 is
still listed as 116A East 65th Street, New York, New
York.
A.
That would have all been the address for
convenience.
Q.
That address was never changed was it?
A.
I don't believe so.
Q.
1::
Was the address of Ellmax always the same
from the time it was formed until up the time you
say you dissolved it?
A.
As far as I can recall, yes.
MR. FALLEK: 1 am directing your attention
to Plaintiff's Exhibit 3 for identification.
Q.
Do you recognize this document?
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A.
Sorry.
Q.
Plaintiff's 3 for identification, do you
recognize this to be the 2016 Florida Limited
Liability Company Annual Report for Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
Again, I have never seen this. I will just
take your word that that's what that is.
Q.
In 2016, was the principal place of
business for Ellmax, LLC. also listed as 116 East
65th Street, New York, New York?
A.
Again, that was the address of convenience.
The business is wherever I am, but yes.
MR. FALLEK: Move to strike the
nonresponsive portion of the answer.
Q.
Did Ellmax, LLC. ever have a different
principal place of business?
A.
I don't believe I had any other address of
convenience than the one it has listed.
MR. FALLEK: Move to strike as
nonresponsive.
Q.
Is the answer no?
A.
No.
Q.
No it never had any other principal place
of business?
A.
No.
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Q.
What were the assets of Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
it didn't have any assets.
Q.
Who were the members of the limited
liability company?
A.
I believe I was the sole member.
Q.
Did Ellmax, LLC. have any employees?
A.
No.
Q.
I believe you said the last job you had was
for Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
Last work that I did as you asked.
Q.
Before you worked for Ellmax, LLC., whom do
you work for?
A.
I was unemployed.
Q.
During what period of time was that?
A.
I believe around 2000 -- about 2009 or '08.
Q•
When did you first move to the United
States to live here continuously?
A.
1991.
Q.
Where did you live in 1991?
A.
I was traveling around the states.
Q.
Was 116 East 65th Street, New York, New
York, the first residence that you had in the United
States?
MR. FALLER: You seemed confused. I will
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ask it a different way.
Q.
Where was the first place you lived in the
United States?
A.
I rented.
Q.
Where did you rent?
A.
I rented a place on 59th and Seventh.
Q•
Did there come a time period where you
purchased a residence?
A.
Yes.
Q.
When was that?
A.
When I purchased 116, I believe, in 2000.
Q.
Before 116 was purchased, did you form 116
East 65th Street, LLC.?
A.
No. I don't believe so, no.
MR. FALLEK: Could we have this marked as
Plaintiff's Exhibit 4 for identification.
(Whereupon, the document dated 4/5/19, was
received and marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 4 for
identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
Q.
Before we get to this document. Was there
a time period in which
Manhattan?
A.
I don't know.
lived in
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Q.
You said she was your personal assistant.
A.
I did.
(2•
Was that a remote job or did she live with
you or lived nearby?
A.
She never lived in my home. I can't
recall. Wherever she lived I don't know. I'm
sorry.
Q.
Was it a full-time or part-time job?
A.
It was full-time.
Q.
How would you communicate with her?
A.
Via, email, text, or phone.
Q.
During what time period, if any, did she
live in New York?
A.
I don't know if she lived in New York. She
worked for me, and she turned up for work for me.
But, I don't know where she lived.
Q.
Did you have somebody else, a different
personal assistant for you, in Manhattan?
A.
No.
MR. FALLEK: I'm going to show you what was
marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 4 for
identification. I ask you to take a look at
that document.
Q.
Do you recognize this document to be a
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document from the New York State Department of State
regarding 116 East 65th Street, LLC.?
A.
I have never seen this document before.
Q.
Could you please take a look at it.
MR. CUOMO: I think she has.
A.
I've looked at it.
Q.
Did you form 116 East 65th Street, LLC.
A.
Yes.
Q.
When was it formed?
A.
Some time in 2000.
Q.
Is that prior to the time that 116 East
65th Street was purchased?
A.
I don't know the timing of it when it was
purchased. I don't know when the time was for the
creation of it and the purchase of the house. I'm
sorry.
Q.
Is 116 East 65th Street a limited liability
company?
A.
I believe so.
Q.
Is it a New York Limited Liability Company?
A.
I don't remember where it is limited. It
says, New York.
Q.
Who are the members of that LLC?
A.
I believe I'm the sole member.
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Q.
Was there ever any other members?
A.
I don't believe so.
Q.
Could you tell me who Darren Indyke, Esq.
at 475 West Avenue, New York, New York is? Could
you tell me who he is?
A.
He is a lawyer.
Q.
What is his connection with the LLC?
A.
He helped create it.
Q.
Did you hire him to create it?
A.
I don't recall how it went down exactly.
How he came to do it. But, he was the lawyer. And
he helped create it.
Q.
Was he referred to you by somebody?
A.
He worked for a friend of mine.
Q.
Who is that?
A.
A gentlemen called Mr. Epstein.
Q.
Sorry?
A.
A gentleman.
Q.
Is that Jeffrey Epstein?
A.
Yes.
Q.
What was the principal place of business of
116 East 65th Street, LLC.?
A.
well, 116 didn't do any business.
Q.
What was the principal place business? Do
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you maintain books for it?
A.
I don't have any paperwork regarding that.
1 don't have. It would have been with the
accountant or whoever was dealing with it then.
Q.
Were there annual returns that were
prepared for that LLC?
A.
I'm sure there were.
Q.
Did you sign them?
A.
I must have.
Q.
Where are they?
A.
So long ago I have no idea. I don't have
that.
Q.
Did there come a time period where 116 East
65th Street, LLC. purchased the building at 116 East
65th Street, New York, New York?
A.
I am sorry, I don't know the -- I think
50.
Q.
Who owned your building?
A.
116 East 65th Street, LLC.
Q.
When was it purchased by them?
A.
Like I have said, some time in 2000.
MR. CUOMO: Before you ask another question
I just want to talk to my client for a moment.
(A short recess was taken.)
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Q.
Did you review any documents today before
testifying?
A.
Only what was filed with the court with my
lawyer.
Q.
Did you read or review your affidavit
before testifying today?
A.
I did review?
MR. FALLEK: Mark this as Plaintiff's
Exhibit five.
(Whereupon, the affidavit was received and
marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 5 for
identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
MR. FALLEK: I will show you what was
marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 5 marked for
identification.
Q.
I will ask if that is the affidavit that
you reviewed?
A.
I'm going to read it to make sure.
Q.
Take your time.
A.
Is that okay?
Q.
Sure.
Did you have a chance to read it?
A.
I have.
Q.
In your affidavit, in Paragraph 9, you say
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that Ellmax, LLC. was a holding company when I
started in 2010 with the intention of using for any
consultation work that I may have done. What are
you referring to? What consultation work that I may
have done?
A.
Like I have explained earlier. I advised
businesses or wanted to advise businesses in 2010 on
placing people on boards or on any other aspect of
business that would be relevant, conferences, and
providing speakers for conferences.
Q.
You used the words "I may have done." Was
that work you already had done or going to do?
A.
That I was hoping to do.
Q.
Were you one of the speakers or were you
looking for other speakers?
A.
I have spoken, but I've never hired myselt
to speak.
Q.
For Ellmax?
A.
No. That would have been funny.
Q.
You indicated also that you never took
deductions on your taxes as a home office. Did you
file income taxes in 2015?
A.
I did.
Q.
What taxes did you file in the United
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States?
A.
Whatever I needed to file.
Q.
Did you file a New York State Income Tax?
A.
I'm sure I did.
Q.
Did you file Federal taxes in the United
States?
A.
I'm sure I did.
Q.
What about City taxes? Did you also file
those?
A.
I'm sure I did.
Q.
You also indicated in Paragraph 11, in 2010
when I started, you had said that you hired an
assistant to Ellmax, LLC's payroll in 2017. Who was
that?
A.
That was
Q.
Was that the same person that we spoke
about before?
A.
Yes.
Q.
That's
A.
Yes.
Q.
What location did she work out of other
than New Jersey?
A.
I believe her home.
Q.
Do you know if she worked out of her home
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any other years?
A.
She worked. She was on call. She would
have done work from her home.
Q.
What did she do for Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
She didn't do any work for Ellmax. She
worked for me. She was my personal assistant. But
if I asked her to make a flight or something, then
it would have been.
MR. CUOMO: Just clarify. Are you asking
about 2017?
MR. FALLEK: Yes. She said added her in
2017 on Ellmax's payroll.
Q.
Why did you add her to the payroll?
A.
I misunderstood the question.
To shutdown the company. We restarted it
start to shut it down.
Q.
Did she work for Ellmax prior to 2017?
A.
No. She -- whatever -- Ellmax was dormant
from 2013 until I restarted to shut it down.
MR. FALLEK: Move to strike as not
responsive.
Q.
You did file annual reports, did you not,
in 2014, '15, and '16 for Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
Right. But, it was just, you know, to
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keep -- rather than going through the expense t'
shut it down. It's expensive to shut it down.
Q.
so the answer is: No, you did file them
all those year?
A.
It was filed, but it was dormant.
Q.
Did you have to file a fee every year?
A.
I'm sure I did.
Q.
What is the address at 16 Island Avenue,
Suite 70, Miami Beach, Florida 33139?
A.
That was a home that I rented for a short
while, and I stayed at the address.
Q.
When did you rent it?
A.
I don't recall the dates. 1 am sorry.
Q.
Was it in the year 2014.
A.
I honestly don't remember.
MR. FALLEK: I'm showing you what was
marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 1 for
identification, which it dates back to 2014.
MR. CUOMO: She said she doesn't remember.
A.
I'm sorry, I don't recall.
Q.
In the year 2015 the address changed, is it
not, to New York, New York?
A.
It has.
Q.
Do you know where the articles of an
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organization are for 116 East 65th Street, LLC.?
A.
I don't.
Q.
Do you know who has them?
A.
I don't.
Q.
Do you know what the business purposes was
for forming 116 East 65th Street, LLC.?
A.
I think it's a common practice to place
them as an LLC. I don't think there is anything
unusual about that.
Q.
Was that based on your accountant or a
legal advise or on your own?
A.
I'm sure that was based on legal advise.
Q.
you?
Did you have a lawyer that formed it for
A.
You are asking things to go back over 20
years. I don't recall exactly how it went down.
Q.
Did you utilize the services of a broker in
purchasing 116 East 65th Street?
A.
I don't remember.
Q.
Did you utilize the services of a broker
when selling 116 East 65th Street?
A.
1 did.
Q.
Was that Douglas Elliman?
A.
It was.
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Q.
How much did 116 East 65th Street, LLC.
pay for the purchase of 116 East 65th Street in
Manhattan?
A.
Around, I think it was, $6,000,000. Around
6,000,000.
Q.
Could you describe the building to me at
116 East 65th Street?
A.
What do you mean?
Q.
Let's start with, how many floors did the
building have?
A.
Five.
Q.
That includes the roof and the basement?
A.
No. I think the basement would be six. If
you count the roof then seven.
Q.
What was the square footage of the
building?
A.
Around 6,500 or 6000 (sic).
Something like
that.
Q.
How many bedrooms did it have?
Four.
Q.
How many bathrooms?
A.
Four.
Q.
Was the lot a 25 foot wide lot?
A.
Yes.
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Q.
Was this a limestone building?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Did it have an elevator?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Was there a separate entrance that the
building had? How many entrances did 116 East 65th
Street have?
A.
Two.
MR. FALLEK: I will show you a document :
will have marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 6.
(Whereupon, the copy of a photograph was
received and narked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 6 for
identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
Q.
Do you recognize what is shown in
Plaintiff's Exhibit 6 for identification?
A.
I do.
Q.
What do you recognize that to be?
A.
116 East 65th Street.
Q.
Is that the building that was purchased by
116 East 65th Street, LLC.?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Does that document or that photograph
fairly and accurately show the way the building
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appeared back on September 9th of 2015?
A.
I suppose.
Q.
Was there a tree or tree well in front of
your premises?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Was a portion of the tree well was part '
your premises and your neighbor's premises?
A.
No.
Q.
Do you recognize the metal cage surrounding
the tree well?
A.
Yes.
Q.
During the time period that 116 East 65th
Street owned the building, did you or anybody on
your behalf make any changes to the tree or the tree
well?
A.
This tree well that you demonstrate here in
this photograph, is the tree and the tree well
belonging to my neighbor at 114 East 65th.
Q.
Is a portion of that tree going on your
property?
A.
I don't recall, but that's the address of
the tree.
Q.
Did you ever discuss the tree or tree well
with your neighbor?
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A.
No.
Q.
You said it's whose tree well?
A.
Diandra.
Q.
Diandra Douglas?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Did they live there before you moves
there?
A.
No.
Q.
When did they move in?
A.
I don't recall exactly. Maybe 2005 or '06.
Something like that.
Q.
At any time did you sweep the leaves from
that tree on that portion of the sidewalk in front
of your premises?
A.
Can you repeat the question?
Q.
Was there anytime that you lived at 116
East 65th street where you maintained the tree that
we are referring to in the photograph?
A.
Diandra's tree?
Q.
Yes.
A.
No.
Q.
Did you ever trim the branches?
A.
No.
Q.
Did anybody on your behalf ever water the
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tree?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you do anything or have anyone do
anything around the tree well?
A.
Around Diandra's tree?
Q.
Yes.
A.
No.
Did you ever discuss the tree with Diandra?
A.
No.
Q.
The sidewalk that is depicted in the
picture, were any changes made to that sidewalk by
you or anybody on your behalf during the time period
that 116 East 65th Street owned the premises?
MR. CUOMO: Hold on a second. From that
photograph can you tell?
MR. FALLEK: I'm not talking about that.
I'm just directing her to the sidewalk.
MR. CUOMO: Hear me out. I have a question
for you. Are you representing that all of the
sidewalk in that photograph depicted is Exhibit
6 is in front of 116 East 65th Street or are you
asking her part from that photograph in front of
116 East 65th Street?
MR. FALLEK: Let's first ask about the
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photograph.
Q.
Was any work done by you or anybody to that
area that is shown in the photograph?
A.
I've never directed anybody to do any work
on the sidewalk.
Q.
Did anybody do any work to the sidewalk
during that time period that you lived there?
MR. CUOMO: Again, note my objection. Are
you talking about the sidewalk in front of her
home or the sidewalk that is in the photograph,
which could be in front of multiple buildings?
MR. FALLEK: The sidewalk in the
photograph.
A.
I don't remember work being done passed me
on the sidewalk. But, there was work, I believe,
done around Diandra's tree. But, I don't know.
Q.
What was the work done around Diandra's
tree?
A.
That tree is a big tree. It has a lot of
roots. And I think there was some work done around
her tree and her tree well, but I don't recall.
Q.
Do you remember when that was?
A.
I don't.
Q.
Was it before September 9, 2015?
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A.
Any work would have been done around that
tree would have been done prior to that, yes.
Q.
The work you are referring to, was that
done to the tree, the tree well, or the sidewalk?
A.
1 apologize, I just don't know. I don't
know.
Q•
Besides the Diandra did anybody else live
in the house during that time period?
A.
Any house?
Q.
Diandra's house.
A.
I don't know who lived with Diandra.
Q.
We are referring to 114 East. 65th Street?
A.
114, yes.
Q.
Did you ever talk to her about the
condition of the tree, the tree roots, or th.
sidewalks prior to September 9, 2015?
A.
No.
Q.
Did anybody ever complain to you about the
condition of the sidewalk in front of your premises
before September 9th of 2015?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you ever receive any violations from
the City of New York or anybody regarding the
condition of the sidewalk in front of your premises?
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A.
No.
Q.
Who lived in 116 East 65th Street on
September 9, 2015?
A.
Excuse me?
Q.
Are you married?
A.
I was not married at the time of this.
Q.
Do you have any children?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you have any help that lived in the
house with you?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you have a housekeeper?
A.
I did have a housekeeper, yes.
Q.
Live out or live in?
A.
Out.
Q.
How many days a week did she come to your
home?
A.
She came every day during the week.
Q.
That was Monday through Friday?
A.
Correct.
Q.
What was her name?
A.
Maritsa.
MR. CUOMO: Just to be clear now, you are
talking about 2015?
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MR. FALLEN: Yes, back in September of
2015.
A.
That's how I answered your question.
Q.
Maritsa worked for you five days back then?
A.
Yes.
Q.
What were her duties and responsibilities?
A.
She was my housekeeper. So she would keep
the house clean, and she would do the laundry. And
She would Hoover. She would help me cleanup in the
kitchen after I made a mess.
MR. CUOMO: I have to break in there.
(A discussion was held off the record.)
Q.
Who was responsible to take care of the
outside of the home specifically the sidewalk in
front of your home?
A.
I don't. But, I didn't designate anybody
to clean the sidewalk or whatever.
Q.
Did somebody maintain the sidewalk in front
of the home back in 2015?
A.
No.
Q.
Who would sweep the sidewalks?
A.
I don't know.
Q.
sidewalk?
If there was snow, who would shovel the
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A.
I'm not sure.
Q.
Did you hire an outside contractor or
gardener or a person to maintain the exterior?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you enter the premises through the
front door every time you went in and out?
A.
Sometimes mostly.
Q.
How else would you go in the house other
than the entrance that is shown in the photo in
front of you?
A.
You could go in the other entrance.
Obviously, I mostly used the front entrance.
Q.
You said there were two entrances.
A.
Yes.
MR. FALLEK: Could we have this marked.
(Whereupon, the copy of a photograph was
received and marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 7 for
identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
MR. FALLEK: 1 will show you a photograph,
which we marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 7 to:
identification.
Q.
Have you seen this photograph before?
A.
I have not.
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Q.
Do you recognize what is shown in that
photograph?
A.
I do. But, I don't know what this bag is
(indicating).
Q•
That makes two of us.
MR. CUOMO: Just notice the bag hanging
from the door handle.
Q.
Separate from the bag, do you recognize --
A.
I do.
Q.
Is that a door to the premises of 116 Eas.,
65th Street, New York, New York?
A.
It appears to be, yes.
Q.
How do you refer to this entrance? Is it
the service entrance, business entrance?
A.
Separate entrance.
Q.
Where does this entrance lead?
A.
To the house.
Q.
Have you ever received or seen the
Certificate Of Occupancy?
A.
Have I?
Q.
Seen the Certificate Of Occupancy for the
house?
A.
I don't recall seeing it.
Q.
Is the building a two-family residence?
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A.
I believe it is valued, but I think it has
a designation as a two-family residence or however
you say that.
Q.
Did you have a dog at the time that you
lived in the building?
A.
Yes.
Q•
Was that Beware Of Dog sign put up by you
or someone on your behalf?
A.
1 put it up.
Q.
Who would walk the dog when you lived there
back in 2015?
A.
I walked my dog.
walked my dog or
whoever.
Q.
Did you reg.flarly walk the dog yourself?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Is there a back entrance to the building?
A.
NO.
Q.
:n order to walk the dog, would you have to
go out the front door or the side door?
A.
You could
Q.
Would you
every day?
A.
Yes.
Q.
go
go
out either entrance.
in and out one of those doors
Is there a buzzer or intercom system for
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that entrance?
A.
I don't think so.
Q.
What about for the front door, the door
that is shown in Exhibit 6 for identification?
A.
There was a buzzer for that door.
Q.
How many buzzers were there?
A.
Just one I think.
Q.
Where would it buzz in the interior --
A.
Buzz to the telephone.
Q.
To the telephone?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Where is the telephone kept?
A.
Telephone everywhere. All the telephones
would go. You couldn't fail to hear the doorbell.
Q.
Who would answer the door? Would that be
you or someone else?
A.
Whoever got to it first.
Q.
Who would that be? Would you say Maritsa?
A.
Typically me or
or Maritsa, whoever.
Q.
Were there times when
was in the house
back in September of 2015?
A.
Yes.
Q.
What about in August of 2015, were there
also times where she would be in the house?
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A.
Yes.
MR. FALLEK: Could I have this marked.
;Whereupon, the diagram of the house was
received and marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 8 for
identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
(Whereupon, the diagram of the house was
received and marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 9 for
identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
MR. FALLEK:
I will show you what was
marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 8.
Q.
Do you recognize what has been marked as
Plaintiff's Exhibit 8 for identification?
A.
Yes.
Q.
When you sold the premises, 116 East 65th
Street, is this a diagram that was used in order to
sell the home?
A.
I think it was, yes.
Q.
Do you recognize what is depicted in that
diagram?
A.
Yes.
Q.
What is it?
A.
It says office.
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Q.
What is here generally?
A.
Sorry.
Q.
What is depicted in the diagram?
A.
The house.
Q.
Does it fairly and accurately show the
layout of the house, 116 East 65th Street?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Did the home have an office in it?
A.
It was called an office.
Q.
How big was that area labeled as an
office?
A.
It says here 17.3 feet, 17 feet 3 inches x
8 feet 3 inches.
Q.
Were there computers kept in that office?
A.
There was a computer in that office.
Q.
What kind of computer was it?
A.
I think it was a Mack.
Q.
Was it a laptop or desktop?
A.
I think it was a desk top. It could have
been a laptop. I don't know.
Q.
Who owned that desktop?
A.
Well, if it was a desk top it would have
been me. Actually I think it was laptop in 2015.
Q.
Back in September of 2015, was there a desk
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also in that room?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Was there a copy machine?
A.
There may have been.
Q.
Was there a fax machine?
A.
No.
Q.
What other equipment was kept in that
office?
A.
No equipment. I can't remember if it was a
laptop or a desktop.
generally sits.
Q.
Was there any other office equipment kept
in their?
A.
No.
Q.
Was there a door to that room?
A.
Yes. There was also a coffee station.
There was a little coffee sink, a little fridge in
there for access in the garden. It's like a garden
room. You could get a drink if you were sitting in
the garden back here.
MR. FALLEK: I will show you what was
marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 9 for
identification. This is just a blow-up or
larger version of Plaintiff's Exhibit 8 for
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Identification.
Q.
Does this fairly and accurately show the
layout of the building at 116 East 65th Street as it
existed back in September of 2015?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Was there any portions or rooms in this
building rented out or separated?
A.
No.
Q.
Was anything cordoned off?
A.
No.
Q.
What was kept in the basement of the
building?
A.
Laundry mostly.
Q.
What was on the roof of the building?
A.
Nothing. AC I think.
Q.
On the first floor there :s also a library?
That's what it says.
Q.
Did you utilize that room as a library?
A.
No. It was more like 7 use it to watch TV.
There was big screen in that room.
Q.
Was there a room in that building where you
stored business records?
A.
No.
Q.
Where did you store your business records
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back in 2015?
A.
I didn't have business records.
Q.
Where did you keep the records for Climax,
1.
A.
1 use to move my -- I had a file cabinet
wherever I was sitting. I had a filing cabinet.
Q.
Where would that be kept? On what floor in
the building?
A.
It moved. I frequently moved my desk.
couldn't decide where I would sit. There was a
period of time in the dining room became a place
where I would sit and the library. When I moved my
desk my little filing system cop come with me.
Q.
Did you conduct business out of 116 East
65th street?
A.
No.
Q.
Where did you conduct any business for
Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
I go to any client and I would go to their
office.
Q.
Tell me about your Terramar Projects?
A.
It's a not-for-profit based on the ocean.
Q.
When did you form the Terramar Project?
A.
I think it was in 2011 or 2012.
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2015?
A.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL
That would be have been before September 9,
Yes.
Q.
Who is the president of the Terramar
Project, Inc.?
A.
I am.
Q.
Is that a New York Corporation?
A.
I don't remember where it was filed. If
you have the paperwork in front of you and it says
New York then yes.
MR. FALLEK: I will show you a document
marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 10. Let's mark it
first.
THE WITNESS: Could I use the bathroom?
MR. FALLEK: Yes. Whenever you need a
break just ask.
(Whereupon, the 2012 tax document was
received and marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 10
for identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
(A short recess was taken.)
MR. FALLEK:
I will show you what was
marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 10 for
identification.
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Q.
Do you recognize this document to be the
2012 tax return for Terramar?
A.
I have not seen this.
0.
Take a look at it.
A.
It appears to be.
Q.
Okay. Does your signature appear on the.
document?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Is that your signature?
A.
Yes.
MR. CUOMO: Referring to the bottom of the
first page of the document?
MR. FALLER: Yes.
Q.
Referring to the bottom portion next to the
yellow label of Plaintiff's Exhibit 10. Directing
your attention to Page 8 of the tax return. Do you
see this page?
A.
I do.
Q.
Did you indicate in this tax return that
you worked 60 hours a week on the Terramar Project?
A.
Yes.
C.
Did you have other officers at that time
that worked for the Terramar Project?
A.
Well,
done 23 hours.
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Q.
Is that accurate?
A.
I'm sure it is.
Q.
Who are the other people that you have
listed?
A.
Larry Kevin.
Q.
Who was he?
A.
He was the director.
Q.
You have him one hour, one hour a week?
A.
It says average hours per week. One hour a
week.
Q.
What did he do for the Terramar Project?
A.
He gave advise as to how to best practices
for charity.
Q.
What about Ariadne Calvo-Platero, what did
that person do?
A.
She again gave advise as to how far
Terramar could realize its goals.
Q.
Are there any other employees for the
Terramar Project that are not listed on the tax
return?
A.
The Terramar Project didn't have any
employees.
Q.
These are merely the officers of the
company?
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A.
Yes.
Q.
How did they get paid?
A.
They didn't get paid.
Q.
Were there any salaried employees?
A.
No.
MR. FALLEK: Mark this as 11.
(Whereupon, the 2013 Tax Return was
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for identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
Q.
In 2012 the principal place of business
Terramar Project was located at 116 East 65th
Street, New York, New York?
A.
Again. That would be just an address of
convenience, but yes.
Q.
In 2013, was the principal place of
business for the Terramar Project also listed at 11,
East 65th Street, New York, New York?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Directing your attention to, and not a
numbered paged, page 5 of the tax returns.
Is there a schedule of varies personnel
that worked or were officers for Terramar Project.
A.
These are just all directors and none of
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them were renumerated. Nobody was paid. But,
Terramar Project did have work called contract
contractors who did do work for it. A contract
employee or contract person that worked for the
company is not the same as a regular employee. They
wouldn't come to work.
Q.
Who was that?
A.
I have had a number of -- I had a number of
different people. We also have one person who did
work for Terramar Project. They were always
offsite, because they would never come to work.
They would be remote.
Q.
Were there any contracting employees back
in 2015 for Terramar Project, Inc.?
A.
There were, yes.
Q.
Who were they?
A.
One. I believe it was Robert Foos.
Q.
In what position did he hold?
A.
I think his official title was Director Of
Development.
Q.
DOOS the additional data sheet_ indicate
that you were also working 60 hours a week for
Terramar Project back in 2013?
A.
Yes.
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MR. FALLEK: Mark this.
(Whereupon, the 2014 Tax Return was
received and marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 12
for identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
MR. FALLEK: I will show you what was
marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 12 for
identification.
Q.
I'm asking you if you recognize this to be
the 2014 Tax Return for Terramar Project?
A.
Again, I have not seen this document, but
actually it seems to be as you described it.
Q.
At that time the principal place of
Terramar Project was at 116 East 65th Street, New
York, New York?
A.
Again, it was just the address that we had
of convenience.
Q.
Did you have another address for the
.erramar Project back in 2014?
A.
No.
Q.
What about in 2015, did it have any other
addresses?
A.
No.
Q.
Did it have any other places of business?
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A.
No.
Q.
Directing your attention to the second page
of this document. Again, are the officers of the
Terramar Project listed on this page?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Are you listed working 60 hours a week for
the Terramar Project?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Was there a 2015 Tax Return filed for the
Terramar Project?
A.
I'm sure there was.
Q.
Do you know where that?
A.
T am sorry, I don't.
Q.
Was it filed with New York State?
A.
It would have been filed with whatever was
compliant and necessary for the paperwork.
0.
Other than for generalities, do you know
where that tax return is?
A.
No, I don't.
Q.
Do you know who prepared it?
A.
I am sorry, I don't recall.
Q.
Was the accountant that prepared it Mark,
Paneth 6 Shron, LLP., 685 Third Avenue, New York,
New York 100017, as indicated on Plaintiff's Exhibit
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A.
It may have been.
Were they your accountants?
A.
They were.
Q.
Do they always file your personal tax
returns and the tax returns for the Terramar
Project?
A.
They did.
Q.
What about Ellmax, LLC., did they prepare
or file those tax returns for you?
A.
I believe they did.
Q.
Did you sign all those tax returns
yourself?
A.
I did.
Q.
On behalf of you personally, Ellmax, and
the Terramar Project?
A.
Yes.
Q.
How did you first become aware of this
accident?
A.
I believe, as much as I can recall,
somebody rang the doorbell. And I had heard
somebody had alleged they fell outside on the
sidewalk.
Q.
Was that on September 9, 2015?
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A.
I guess. I don't remember the date. But,
yes.
Q.
Did you answer the door yourself?
A.
No.
Q.
Who answered the door?
A.
Either Maritsa Or_
One of them did.
Q.
What did they tell you?
A.
They told me that somebody alleged that
they fell on the sidewalk.
Q.
What did you do? Did you leave the house?
Did you walk outside and check on the person and see
what was going on?
A.
No, I did not.
Q.
Did you ever see the individual?
A.
No. 7 believe by the time I knew about it,
I think he had already gone or left.
Q.
How much time was it that lapsed between
the time they told you about it and when you went
out?
A.
I don't remember. I am sorry.
Q.
Did you do any investigation yourself?
A.
Did you go in and look at the alleged place
where he fell afterwards subsequently.
Q.
How did you know what the place was that
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you are saying that he complained of?
A.
I think
mentioned to me where he or
she had fallen or claimed to have fallen.
Q.
Did
offer any medical attention or
attention to him?
A.
I don't know.
Q.
Did she say whether she called an
ambulance?
A.
I don't think she did. I don't know. I
think by the time she -- as much as I can recall
there was an ambulance that was called. And I think
she told me there was an ambulance that was called
and that he was going away in an ambulance.
Q.
Did you see the ambulance arrive?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you see him on the sidewalk after she
told you about the accident?
A.
No.
Q.
After the accident occurred, did you or
anybody on your behalf make any changes or repairs
to the sidewalk in front of your home?
A.
No.
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marked.
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(Whereupon, the copies of photographs from
Plaintiff's Notice were received and marked as
Plaintiff's Exhibits 13A through 13E for
identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
Q.
Before we get to the photos. When did 116
East 65th Street sell the building at 116 East 65th
Street?
A.
It's a matter of record. You can check. I
think it was in April of 2016. Is that right?
I'm sorry, I don't recall. Something like
that. Whatever is the matter of record you will
have it.
Q.
I'm directing your attention to Plaintiff's
Exhibit 5 for identification. Your own affidavit.
A.
Yes.
Q.
Does the affidavit indicate the date it was
sold?
A.
Yes.
Q.
When was it sold?
A.
April 14, 2016.
Q.
How many was it sold for?
A.
15 million and 50,000. Something like
that.
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Q.
Before 116 East 65th Street purchased the
building, did you have an engineer doing an
inspection on the house and the exterior of the
house?
A.
Before I bought it?
Q.
Yes.
A.
Sorry, I don't recall.
Q.
Did you inspect the condition of the
sidewalk before you purchased it?
A.
I don't recall looking at the sidewalk at
all.
MR. CUOMO: Are you asking just if she
inspected the sidewalk in 2000 before it was
purchased?
MR. FALLEK: Yes. At that time.
A.
I don't recall ever looking at the
sidewalk.
MR. FALLEK: I'm going to show you what has
been marked as Plaintiff's Exhibits 13A, B, C,
D, and E.
MR. CUOMO: I'm just curious. I got your
note with those photographs. Is there any
indication when those photographs were taken?
MR. FALLEK: Not in what I have exchanged
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with you, no. Off the record.
(A discussion was held off the record.)
Q.
I just want you to take a look at the
pictures. Do you recognize what the building that
is shown in Plaintiff's Exhibit 13A?
A.
This looks like 116 East 65th Street.
Q.
Does that show the front of the building?
A.
A little bit of the front of the building.
Q.
Does it also show tree roots in the
building?
A.
It does.
Q.
Do you see the
MR. CUOMO: Tree roots in the building?
MR. FALLEK: Yes, tree roots in front of
the building.
A.
Yes. In this I do.
Q.
Take a look at 138. Do you recognize that
photo?
A.
I haven't seen those photos.
Q.
I understand.
A.
What are you asking me
Q.
Do you recognize the upper portion of the
photo?
A.
I do.
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Q.
What does that show?
A.
It shows the front entrance of 116
Q.
Directing your attention to the next phone
13C. Could you tell me what that shows?
A.
It looks like the tree in front of
Diandra's house.
Q.
Does it also show the tree well or the
metal gate around the tree?
A.
I does.
Q.
Was that metal grate around the tree was
that changed or altered in any way from the time
period you lived there?
A.
I don't remember. I don't know. I don't
know. I am sorry. I can't tell from this picture.
Q.
Could you tell me what is shown in
Plaintiff's Exhibit 13D?
A.
It looks like a sidewalk with tree roots.
Q.
Do you recognize the metal fence and
grating?
A.
I think that's the metal fence in front of
114 and 116 East 65th Street.
Q.
Did you understand that to be what was the
dividing line between the two properties?
A.
Yes.
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Q.
Do you recognize what is shown in the last
photo marked as Plaintiff's 13E?
A.
It's a tree well and tree roots.
Q.
Is that the same tree well?
A.
I don't know how to answer that. I can't
tell.
Q.
That's it. I just want to check my notes.
A.
Could I take a look at this first?
Q.
Sure.
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Back in 2015, did you have an office in
Q.
place outside of 116 East 65th Street?
A.
I didn't have an office at 116 East 65th
Street. 7 have a place where I would sit with my
computer. That's the same whether I am in a hotel
room. I am mobile. Wherever 7 am is where I work.
MR. FALLEK: I will ask the question again.
If you could just answer.
Q.
Did you maintain an office, a physical
office, outside 116 East 65th Street, back in
September of 2015?
A.
No.
0.
Did you pay rent for any office outside of
the building, 116 East 65th Street, to maintain an
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office?
A.
No.
MR. FALLEN: I have no further questions.
MR. CUOMO: I just have a few.
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Q.
Afternoon Ms. Maxwell. How are you?
A.
Good, thanks.
Q.
Before it was mentioned that the house at
116 East 65th Street was designated as a two-family
home.
A.
I think in the paperwork it has two-family
home.
Q.
When it was purchased in 2000, do you
recall if you purchased it using 116 East 65th
Street, LLC.?
A.
I believe I did.
Q.
Were you the sole member of 116 East 65th
Street, LLC.?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Were you advised either by a lawyer or an
accountant to purchase the home through an LLC?
A.
I don't recall, but I'm sure I was.
Q.
At the time that the home was purchased,
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was it being used as a two-family home?
A.
I don't recall.
Q.
To your mind, was the home you had
purchased was it set up as a two-family home?
A.
No.
Q.
Was it set up as a single-family home?
A.
Yes.
Q.
From that point in 2000 until you sold it,
on April 14, 2016, did you use it as a one-family
home?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You never rented out any portion of that
home to any other family or any other resident?
A.
No.
Q.
Now, there was some discussion with an
office in the house, as listed on the diagram, that
was used to help sell the home. Do you recall that
a few moments ago?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Was that office designated for use solely
by either the Terramar Project or Ellmax?
A.
No.
Q.
Did that office exist in the home when you
bought it?
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A.
No.
Q.
Did the room exist in the home?
A.
Yes.
Q.
At some point you put a desk and computer
in there?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Prior to, say, 2010, did the office exist?
A.
I think so.
Q.
Prior to 2010 what did you use the office
for?
A.
It was the place where the dogs come to get
fed, and where you could stage food and drinks for
the garden.
Q.
Were there any place in the home, at 116
East 65th Street, that was reserved for use by
employees either by Ellmax or the Terramar P-
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A.
No.
Q.
Now, you mentioned that the Ellmax was
dormant after 2013. What do you mean by dormant?
A.
I wasn't performing any work.
Q.
It was still an actual LLC?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Some time in 2017 you kind of woke it up
just to dissolve it?
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A.
Yes.
Q.
Between 2013 and 2017, is it correct, that
did no business for the Ellmax, LLC.?
A.
No.
Q.
Between 2010 and 2013 when you did business
with Ellmax, did any of your clients or potential
clients ever come to the home to do business?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you ever entertain anybody from the
general public with respect to Ellmax between 2010
and 2013 in the home?
A.
No.
Q.
Did Ellmax sell any products of any kind?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you ever offer for sale through Ellmax
any products out of your home?
A.
No.
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Was there any retail space in your home?
A.
No.
Q.
Was there any wholesale space in your home?
A.
No.
Q•
Between 2000 and 2016, when you sold the
property, was it essentially a primary residence?
A.
Yes.
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Q.
When in town is that where you would sleep?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You had your master bedroom in the house at
116 East 65th Street?
A.
Yes.
Q.
That was all the time between 2000 thru
2016?
A.
Yes.
Q.
With respect to the Terramar Project, did
you ever collect or have you ever collected any
salary as the president of the Terramar Project?
A.
No.
Q.
Have you received any remuneration of any
kind from the Terramar Project for your service for
that not-for-profit entity?
A.
No.
Q.
Is there any place in the home, at 116 East
65th Street, that is set aside for use solely by the
Terramar Project?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you ever take any tax deductions on
your personal income taxes relative to a home office
that was for use by Ellmax or the Terramar Project
or any other commercial entity between 2010 and
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2015?
A.
No.
Q.
That office that we Calked about off the
garden, could you use that for any personal
purpose?
A.
Yes.
Q.
If you wanted to sit down and type out
letter to somebody, could you use that office if it
was a personal matter?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Were you restricted in anyway for using
that small portion of your home for any personal
issue?
A.
No. It was where the dogs got fed. It was
there all the time.
Q.
I'm showing you Plaintiff's Exhibit 6. Do
you recognize that photograph?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Does that photograph show portions of both
116 and 114 East 65th Street here in New York?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Does it show portions of the sidewalk that
are in front of both 114 and 116 East 65th Street?
A.
Yes.
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Q.
Does it show a tree well and a metal guard
around that tree well?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Is that tree well and that metal guard
around that tree well predominantly in front of 114
East 65th Street?
A.
Yes.
Q.
At any time, from the year 2000 until you
sold the property in April of 2016, did you contract
for hire anyone to do any repairs to the sidewalk in
front of 116 East 65th Street?
A.
No.
Q.
Mr. Fallek showed you a series of
photographs marked as 13A through 13E depicting a
sidewalk and some type of construction or repair.
You have see those?
A.
I did.
Q.
At any time during your ownership or during
the LLC's ownership of 116 East 65th Street, did you
have any work done that would have resulted in
photographs like this being taken?
A.
No.
Q.
Did the Terramar Project ever host any
events or have any events at your home between when
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you started it up say in 2011 or whenever you
started it up through April 14, 2017, when you sold
the home?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you ever have any event where the
general public was invited to the home for any
purpose for the Terramar Project such as a fund
raiser or anything like that?
A.
No.
Q.
With respect to Ellmax, I just want to make
an understanding. Is it fair to say the business of
Palmas was you either attempting to place board
members for companies or search for board members of
companies or both?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Would you also, from time to time, attempt
to source speakers for company functions?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You might also help them with the event
planning and venue selection for a company?
A.
I didn't do event planning.
Q.
Venue selection perhaps?
A.
Yes.
Q.
When you worked for a particular company,
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did you work with them at their premises?
A.
Yes
Q.
Did you ever had them come to your
business, to 116 East 65th Street, to do that work?
A.
No.
Q.
During the period of time that Ellmax
functioned, did it generate revenue?
A.
A small amount.
Q.
Did you ever collect a salary for Ellmax?
A.
No.
Q.
Were you ever disbursed any profits from
Ellmax?
A.
No.
Q.
What happened to the revenue that Ellmax
generated during that period of time, from 2010 to
2013?
A.
It just was used to defer cost such as
traveling and travel mostly.
Q.
What were the costs of travel related to
Ellmax where you were going?
A.
Sorry, most of the companies I would have
worked for were from Los Angeles. I went to LA and
also to London multiple times.
Q.
What was the reason you stopped working
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through or working as part of Ellmax in 2C13?
A.
It wasn't going to succeed and it was just
useless. And I just stopped it.
Q.
Ellmax between 2013 and the time you sold
the home in 2016 it had no revenue?
A.
No.
Q.
It did not operate?
A.
No.
Q.
You listed the home at 116 East 65th Street
as an address for both Terramar Project and Ellmax,
correct?
A.
Just as an address of convenience.
Q.
Was that to receive mail?
A.
Yes.
Q.
To have an address for the tax return?
A.
Yes, or whatever.
Q.
Other than those purposes, did 116 East
65th Street serve any purpose for the operations of
either Ellmax or the Terramar Project at any time
between 2010 and 2016 when you sold the home?
A.
It was just my home. It was just my home.
That's where I stayed.
N.R. CUOMO: No further questions.
MR. FALLEK: I have one more thing. If you
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could mark this.
(Whereupon, the Real Project Transfer was
received and marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 14
for identification, as of this date, by the
reporter.)
EXAMINATION BY
MR. FALLEK:
Q.
I will show you a document, which was
marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 14 for identification.
A.
What is it?
Q.
Is this the Real Property Transfer for the
sale of 116 East 65th Street?
A.
Real property transfer is -- I don't know.
MR. CUOMO: If you don't know, you don't
know.
A.
I'm sorry, I don't know. I have never seen
this docUment.
Q.
Did you attend the closing when you sold
the building at 116 East 65th Street?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you authorize somebody to attend the
closing for you?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Who was that?
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A.
The lawyer that is on that. I don't
remember his name. Monte Albers De Leon.
Q.
Who is he? Is he your lawyer?
A.
He was a lawyer that I used.
Q.
Did you sign a Power Of Attorney permitting
him to execute documents on your behalf?
A.
I don't remember. I must have.
Q.
Was the property sold to a Mr. Greenberg?
A.
I'm sorry, I don't remember the name of the
person who bought it. I'm sorry.
Q.
Have you ever met Monte Albers De Leon?
A.
I have.
Q.
In what capacity?
A.
He was a lawyer.
Q.
Was he your lawyer for this matter?
(Continued on the next page for the jurat.)
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A.
He was my lawyer for this matter.
you.
MR. FALLER: No further questions. Thank
(Whereupon, the proceedings were concluded
at 11:47 a.m.)
GHISLAINE MAXWELL
Subscribed and sworn to
before me this ____ day
of
, 2019.
Notary Public
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CERTI
FICATION
I, Theresa Acosta, a Shorthand Reporter
and Notary Public of the State of New York, do
hereby certify;
That, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the witness whose
examination is hereinbefore set forth, was duly
sworn, and that such examination is a true record of
the testimony given by such witness.
I further certify that I am not related to
any of the parties to this action by blood or
marriage; and that I am in no way interested in the
outcome of this matter.
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DEITZ Court Reporting... A Lexitas Company
lignimp-0166
SDNY_G M_02 775889
EFTA_00262529
EFTA01340442
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DEITZ Court Reporting... A Lexitas Company
800-678-0166
SDNY_G M_02 775890
EFTA_00262530
EFTA01340443
WILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 03/05/2020 12:59 P4
NYSCEF DOC. NO. 113
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50:12 64:13
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23:2,19 30:7
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personally (1)
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15:3,11
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20:8,16,23
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1:6 2:4 6:15
planning (2)
73:21.22
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2:4
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6:8,10 7:2,7
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pleasure (1)
9:18
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18:21 67:9
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35:7,20
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premises (II)
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37:14 39:20
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presently (1)
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39:3,17 68:8
68:10
private (1)
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purposes (4)
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DEITZ Court Reporting... A Lexitas Company
OOMMIN-0166
SDNY_GM_02775891
EFTA_00262531
EFTA01340444
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71:18
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56:12 63:20
DEITZ Court Reporting... A Lexitas Company
somme-0166
SDNY_GM_02 775892
EFTA_00262532
EFTA01340445
WILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 03/05/2020 12:59 Pt'
NYSCEF DOC. NO. 113
76:17
selection (2)
73:21,23
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67:18 69:14
selling (1)
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39:21 40:4
41:2 45:22
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38:6,7,10,11
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39:5,20,25
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sits (1)
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six (1)
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sleep (1)
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72:10 73:3
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sole (3)
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solely (2)
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41:19 58:22
58:23 59:9
71:9 76:22
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74:22 76:17
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source (2)
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speakers (6)
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28:11,15,16
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speaking (1)
7:15
specific (1)
15:6
specifically (2)
15:9 41:15
speeches (1)
9:21
spend (1)
19:5
speot (1)
9:7
spoke (1)
29:17
spoken (1)
28:17
square (1)
33:16
stage (1)
68:13
start (4)
6:25 16:8
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started (5)
12:13 28:3
29:13 73:2,3
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6:10 17:6
24:2,2 29:4
57:15 82:5
states (8)
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21:18,21.24
22:4 29:2,7
station (1)
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stayed (2)
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STIPULAT...
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stop (1)
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stopped (2)
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store (I)
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6:11,22 8:11
9:6 15:4,12
17:9 19:13
20:10 21:22
22:14 24:3,8
24:13,18
25:23 26:15
26:16,20
32:2,7,19,22
33:2,3,8 34:8
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35:14 36:18
37:14,22,24
39:13 40:3
43:12 46:18
47:7 49:4
50:16 54:14
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61:8,9 62:2
63:7 64:22
65:13,15,21
DEITZ Court Reporting... A Lexitas Company
mem= -0166
SDNY_G M_02 775893
EFTA_00262533
EFTA01340446
WILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 03/05/2020 12:59 P4
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53:12,18,20
this(these) (7)
transfer (4)
70:19 71:21
23:23 24:5
53:22 54:13
3:10,13,19,22
76:3,12,14
71:24 72:7
27:21 41:14
54:18,24
3:24 4:8,15
81:19
72:12,20
52:5 63:4,18
55:3,11,15
Thomas (2)
travel (6)
74:5 75:10
65:9 70:22
55:24 56:11
1:5 6:16
9:12,15,17
75:19 76:13
taken (5)
56:15,20
three (2)
16:23 74:19
76:20
1:18 26:25
57:5,8,11
12:25 19:8
74:20
strike (8)
51:22 62:24
58:7,17
time (57)
traveling (2)
3:9,12 5:6,9
72:22
67:22 68:17
1:17 7:16 8:5
21:21 74:19
15:19 20:13
talk (2)
70:10,12,15
9:7,10,14,15
tree (47)
20:19 30:21
26:24 39:15
70:20,24
9:21,22,24
35:4,4,7,11,15
Subscribed (... talked (I)
72:24 73:8
10:7,10 11:5
35:15,17,18
78:13
71:4
75:11,20
13:25 16:9
35:18,20,23
subsequentl... talking (4)
testified (1)
19:5,20,20
35:24,24
59:24
9:22 37:17
6:5
21:15 22:8
36:3,14,18
succeed (1)
38:10 40:25
testifying (3)
22:23 23:13
36:20 37:2,5
75:3
tax (21)
4:22 27:3,7
24:11,12,15
37:6,9 38:17
Suite (2)
29:4 51:18
testimony (5)
26:14,22
38:19,20,20
2:1031:10
52:3,17,20
3:10,125:7.9
27:2135:13
38:22,22
suppose (1)
53:20 54:8
82:11
36:13 37:13
39:3,5,5,16
35:3
54:22 56:3
text (I)
38:8 39:9
39:16 63:10
SUPREME ...
56:11 57:10
23:12
40:7 42:7
63:14,15
1:2
57:19 58:6,7
Thank (1)
44:5 50:12
64:6,8,9,11
sure (15)
58:11,13
78:4
52:23 56:14
64:18 65:4,4
10:11 15:17
70:2275:16
thanks (1)
59:16,18,19
65:572:2,3,5
26:8 27:20
81:15,16,17
66:9
60:11 62:16
72:6
27:23 29:5,8
taxes (6)
Theresa (2)
64:12 66:25
trial (3)
29:11 31:8
28:22,23,25
82:4,20
68:24 70:7
1:15 3:15 5:11
32:13 42:2
29:6,9 70:23
thing (1)
71:16 72:9
trim (1)
53:3 57:12
technician (1)
75:25
72:19 73:17
36:23
65:1066:24
11:17
things (1)
73:17 74:7
true (2)
surrounding... technology (2) 32:16
74:16 75:5
9:24 82:10
35:10
14:19,20
think (30)
75:20
try (2)
SWI 83X (1)
telephone (4)
12:20 14:8
times (4)
7:9 15:22
6:12
45:10,11,13
15:13 17:7
18:14 45:21
trying (2)
sweep (2)
45:14
24:6 26:17
45:25 74:24
15:21,24
36:1341:22
telephones (1)
32:8,933:5
timing (1)
turned (I)
sworn (4)
45:14
33:14 38:21
24:14
23:16
3:20 6:3 78:13 tell (12)
44:2 45:3,8
title (2)
turns (1)
82:10
9:7 10:22
46:20 47:18
8:21 55:20
I 1 :5
system (2)
14:11 25:4,6
47:20,24
today (3)
TV (1)
44:25 50:14
37:16 50:22
49:16 50:25
16:6 27:2,7
49:20
59:8 64:5,15
55:20 59:17
told (4)
two (6)
-
T
64:16 65:7
60:3,10,11
59:9,19 60:13
8:9 19:8 34:9
T (10)
ten (3)
60:1261:11
60:18
42:14 43:6
3:2,2 4:2,2 5:2
16:5,6,12
64:21 66:13
top (2)
64:24
5:2 81:1,12
Terramar (3...
68:9
47:20,23
two-family (6)
82:2,2
DEITZ Court Reporting... A Lexitas Company
800-678-0166
SDNY_G M_02 775894
EFTA_00262534
EFTA01340447
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43:25 44:3
66:11,13
67:2,5
type (5)
varies (1)
54:23
vehicle (1)
14:13
25:11 32:17
42:7 59:19
74:23
West (I)
13:5,18
31:18 81:3
10 (6)
51:13,19,24
x(7)
1:4,10 6:2
47:13 79:1
14:17,22 15:2
venue (2)
25:5
81:1,12
52:16 58:2
71:8 72:16
73:21,23
wholesale (1)
81:15
Typically (1)
verbally (2)
69:2 I
10:07 (1)
45:20
7:3,11
wide (I)
Yeah (1)
1:13
version (1)
48:25
33:24
witness (10)
16:13
year (6)
100017 (1)
57:25
U
U (3)
violations (1)
6:3,24 7:6,8
19:2 31:5,7,15 10004 (1)
3:2 4:2 5:2
39:23
7:12 15:21
31:22 72:9
2:5
U.S (3)
10:7.9 11:23
W_
15:24 51:15
82:8,11
years (5)
16:5,6,12 30:2
11 (5)
14:8 29:12
understand ... W (1)
witness(es) (2)
32:17
54:7,9 81:16
7:20,22 63:21
6:2
3:20 4:22
yellow (1)
11:47 (1)
64:23
waived (1)
woke (1)
52:16
78:7
understandi...
4:16
68:24
York (53)
114 (7)
73:12
waiver (3)
word (1)
1:2,3,8,12,12
35:19 39:13
understood ...
3:14,25 5:10
20:7
1:19 2:5,5,10
39:14 64:22
7:23
walk (4)
words (1)
6:4 9:13 15:4
71:21,24
unemployed...
44:11,15,19
28:12
15:5,12,12
72:6
21:14
59:12
work (33)
17:9,9 18:7,8 11501 (1)
Uniform (1)
walked (2)
9:19,20 16:7
19:13,14
2:10
5:4
44:13,13
16:20 21:11
20:10,10
116 (71)
United (6)
want (5)
21:13 23:16
21:22,23
1:8,16 2:9
11:22 21:17
7:2 26:24 63:4
28:4,5,13
23:14,15
6:22 8:11 9:6
21:23 22:4
65:8 73:11
29:22 30:4,6
24:2,21,23
15:11 17:8
28:25 29:6
wanted (2)
30:18 38:3,5
25:5,5 26:16
20:9 21:22
unusual(1)
28:8 71:8
38:7,15,16
26:16 29:4
22:12,13,13
32:10
was(were) (1)
38:18,21
31:23,23
24:3,8,12,18
upper (1)
3:22
39:2,4 55:3,4
39:24 43:12
25:23,24
63:23
wasn't (3)
55:7,11,12
43:12 51:8
26:14,15,20
use (11)
15:6 68:21
65:17 68:21
51:11 54:14
32:2,7,19,22
49:20 50:6
75:3
72:21 74:2,5
54:14,19,19
33:2,3,8 34:7
51:15 67:10
watch (1)
worked (14)
56:16,16
34:20,22
67:21 68:10
49:20
18:5 21:12
57:15,24,25
35:13 36:17
68:16 70:19
water (1)
23:16 25:15
71:21 82:5
37:14,22,24
70:24 71:5,9
36:25
29:25 30:3,7
40:3 43:11
useless (1)
way (4)
41:5 52:21
46:17 47:7
- -
75:4
22:2 34:25
52:24 54:24
49:4 50:15
utilize (3)
64:12 82:15
55:5 73:25
54:13,18
06 (1)
32:18,21
week (8)
74:23
56:15 61:7,8
49:19
40:17,19
working (5)
36:11
62:2 63:7
utilized (1)
52:21 53:9
16:8 55:23
08 (1)
64:3,22
4:9
53:10,11
57:7 74:25
21:16
65:13,14,2 I
55:23 57:7
weeks (3)
19:8,8,8
went (5)
75:2
wouldn't (1)
55:7
1
65:25 66:11
66:16,19
68:15 70:5
V
valued (1)
44:2
1 (7)
1:1 9:23 13:3
DEITZ Court Reporting... A Lexitas Company
SOMMIS - 0166
SDNY_G M_02 775895
EFTA_00262535
EFTA01340448
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66:16,19
68:15 70:5
70:18 71:21
71:24 72:12
72:20 74:5
75:10,18
76:13,20
116A (2)
15:4 19:13
12 (3)
56:4,8 81:17
13 (3)
81:3,4,5
I3A (4)
61:4 62:20
63:6 72:15
13A-13E (1)
81:18
I3B (I)
63:18
13C (1)
64:5
13D (1)
64:17
13E (3)
61:4 65:3
72:15
14 (6)
61:22 67:10
73:3 76:4,10
81:19
15 (2)
30:24 61:24
159225/2010...
1:10
16 (2)
30:24 31:9
17 (1)
47:13
17.3 (1)
47:13
17007 (1)
2:12
1961 (1)
10:6
1991 (2)
21:19,20
1st (1)
9:8
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2
2 (6)
2:1,10 13:3,9
17:14 81:4
2-23-15 (2)
13:8 81:4
20 (I)
32:16
200 (1)
2:10
2000 (10)
21:16 22:12
24:11 26:22
62:14 66:15
67:9 69:23
70:7 72:9
2001 (I)
16:9
2002 (I)
16:9
2005 (1)
36:11
2009 (I)
21:16
2010 (11)
14:8 28:3,8
29:12 68:8
68:10 69:6
69:11 70:25
74:16 75:21
2011 (2)
50:25 73:2
2012 (5)
50:25 51:18
52:3 54:12
81:15
2013 (12)
30:20 54:8,17
55:24 68:20
69:3,6,12
74:17 75:2,5
81:16
2014 (8)
13:20 30:24
31:15,19
56:3,11,20
81:17
2015 (36)
6:19 8:8,25
9:5,8,9,23,23
17:15 19:9
19:12 28:23
31:22 35:2
38:25 39:17
39:21 40:4
40:25 41:3
41:20 44:12
45:22,24
47:24,25
49:5 50:2
51:3 55:15
56:22 57:10
58:25 65:12
65:22 71:2
2016 (15)
17:8,11 18:13
19:3,6 20:4,8
61:11,22
67:10 69:23
70:8 72:10
75:6,21
2017 (7)
29:14 30:11
30:13,18
68:24 69:3
73:3
2019 (2)
1:13 78:15
22 (1)
81:6
221 (I)
5:4
23 (I)
52:25
25 (I)
33:24
25th (1)
10:6
27 (I)
81:7
3
3 (8)
3:1 13:3,13
19:24 20:3
47:13,14
81:5
3-22-16(2)
13:12 81:5
3116 (1)
4:3
3117 (1)
4:3
32nd (1)
2:4
33139 (1)
31:10
34 (I)
81:8
4
4 (5)
4:1 22:17,19
23:22 81:6
4/5/19 (2)
22:18 81:6
42 (1)
81:9
44 (I)
6:11
46 (2)
81:10,14
475 (1)
25:5
5
5 (6)
5:1 27:12,16
54:22 61:16
81:7
50,000 (1)
61:24
51 (1)
81:15
535 (1)
1:11
54 (1)
81:16
56 (I)
81:17
59th (I)
22:7
6
6 (8)
34:11,13,17
37:22 45:5
71:17 79:3
81:8
6,000,000 (2)
33:5,6
6,500 (I)
33:18
60 (4)
52:21 55:23
57:7 81:18
6000 (1)
33:18
65th (72)
1:8,16 2:9
6:22 8:11 9:6
15:4,11 17:8
19:13 20:10
21:22 22:14
24:3,8,13,18
25:23 26:15
26:16,20
32:2,7,19,22
33:2,3,8 34:7
34:20,22
35:13,19
36:18 37:14
37:22,24
39:13 40:3
43:12 46:17
47:7 49:4
50:16 54:13
54:19 56:15
61:8,8 62:2
63:7 64:22
65:13,14,21
65:25 66:11
66:16,19
68:16 70:5
70:19 71:21
71:24 72:7
72:12,20
74:5 75:10
75:19 76:13
76:20
66 (1)
79:5
685 (1)
57:24
7
7(3)
42:18,22 81:9
70 (1)
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31:10
76 (2)
79:4 81:19
8 (7)
465J 3,15
47:14 48:25
5257 8150
9
9
(13)
1:13 6:19 9:9
9:23 27:25
38:25 39A 7
40:4 46:9
48:23 51:2
58:25 81:14
9-18-14 (2)
13:4 81:3
90s (2)
10A 1j
1
92 (1)
8:3
93 (1)
8:3
9th (2)
35:2 39:21
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