EFTA Document EFTA01827754

To: Al seckel From: Jeffrey Epstein Sent Fri 4/17/2009 8:48:34 PM Subject Re: A little thought to thinkers... im in from 9 ny time what works for you On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Al seckel e > wrote: I am at a meeting from 9 - 12 pm. pct. Either before or after will work. Let me know what's best for you. From: Jeffrey E ein <•eevacation To: Al seckel Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:44:03 PM Subject: Re: A little thought to thinkers... tomorrow On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Al seckel e > wrote: Are you available to talk about this some more? What would you like to come out of this? Is there a focus? Do you want some really fun smart people too? From: Jeevacation < eeyacation I.com> To: Al seckel Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:22:09 AM Subject: Re: A little thought to thinkers... I agree Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Al seckel e > wrote: Jeff, Good to talk to you this morning on this subject, as it is one I am entirely comfortable with. ;-) EFTA_R1_00203024 EFTA01827754 The list I sent you yesterday has the criteria of thinkers, out of the box. These are amongst the very brightest people that I know, where i enjoy listening to them, and they say insightful things along with a deep understanding of the subject matter. intellectual judgment along with intellectual ability. The two don't always go hand-in-hand. This is also a list of people who have a certain type of intelligence, but may not necessarily have social intelligence, i.e, they are a bit awkward. Jay is incredibly skilled socially compared to some of the people on this list. Just fyi. I personally am not bothered by social awkwardness, but this is your thing, and you would like a good mix, and that is understandable. Criteria will just be different then. You brought up Jay. This is a good example. Jay does listen, and then tends to offer up his own views. I very much enjoy interacting with Jay, and he is a close friend, and although I may not always agree with him, he does always offer up ideas that arc interesting and worth thinking about. That's why I put him on the list. He has a certain way he maps the world and he is also very well read and informed. This is not an argument about Jay, just why I put him on the list. I would also put Nathan in the same category as Jay. Doesn't listen much, pontificates, don't always agree with what he says, but he tends to say things that are provocative and interesting. He has an interesting way of mapping the world too, and is well read and informed. I enjoy bantering with both of them, and count them as real friends that I have known and hung out with for many years. Some of the names listed are titans of intellectual ego. Steven Wolfram being amongst the worst of them. Others are very shy and socially and fashion awkward, but are amongst the very brightest and informed that I know, and will run intellectual circles around some of the names on this list. I very much like the idea of your asking people on this list to contribute names of the ten "brightest" people that they know. This list would provide an excellent set of references. Please note, that although I have a diversity of thinkers, I have distinctly avoided people who map the world in a magical way, and would encourage us to avoid "magical thinkers." From: Jeeyacation <je va bon mail.com> To: Al seckel Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:16:16 AM Subject: Re: Re: EFTA_R1_00203025 EFTA01827755 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Al seckel < > wrote: Anyone you don't know on an immediate list, ask me or google them. All are good friends of mine for years, but these very high end circles travel together, so you should be very familiar with almost all of them. And, a few that you don't know, arc off the charts, and in some respects smarter than the ones that are familiar... ;-) They just didn't seek the limelight. I have marked these people with an asterisk. Not everyone on this list is a scientist. There is no order to this list (this is a cross-section off the top of my head). I can think of more names if I put my mind to it, but lets start here: I am happy to discuss anyone here Nathan Mhyrvold *Catherine Mohr *Jay Walker Christof Koch *Terry Sejnowski Danny Hillis *Bran Ferren Vilamur Ramachandran Lisa Randall Frances Arnold Jesse Dylan Larry Page Elon Musk Stephen Wolfram Steve Juvertson *Pablo Ho Jaron Lanier Craig Venter paul Kirkaas Yossi Vardi *Eric Mjolsness *Mike Douglas Dean Kamen *Shelly Glashow EFTA_R 1 _O 020 3 026 EFTA01827756 *Derrick Ashong James Cameron *Ronald Crowley *Jeffrey Lehman Christine Maxwell 'Brock Pierce *Rich Roberts *Lee Stein *Gerry Sussman *John Conway Dan Dubno (just because he is very interesting) From: Jeffrey E ein <1eevacation il.com> To: Al seckel Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:56:34 PM Subject: Re: of course On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Al seckel < > wrote: Alt, you have actually asked my speciality. Seriously. Ok, different disciplines and business too? From: Jeffrey E stein < eevacation m I > To: Al seckel Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:52:54 PM Subject: could you give me a list of who you think would enjoy a get together in florida„ smart , out of the box types EFTA_R1_00203027 EFTA01827757