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® a 1 \ . 1 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS 2 BROWNSVILLE DIVISION 3 JOSE RUDOLFO ALVARADO GUEVARA, ) LUIS MIGUEL DOMINGUEZ MENDOTA, | 4 | ELIDIO ESCOBAR: } \ JOSE DENNIS FLORES MEDRANO, ) 5 JUAN FRANCISCO GARCIA PEREZ, ) CARLOS EDUARDO GONZALEZ CRUZ, ) 6 | VIRGILIO TAPIA RODAS: ) HENRY VASQUEZ CRUZ, ) 7 | ENCARNACION CALDERON vALDIZON, | CARLOS HUMBERTO COMPOS ORTIZ, | ' 8 HECTOR NAJARCO ALAS, ) CRISTOBAL OSORIO MACHADO, ) 9 EDWIN PEREZ VALLE, } J0SE DANIE
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. 1 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
2 BROWNSVILLE DIVISION
3 JOSE RUDOLFO ALVARADO GUEVARA, )
LUIS MIGUEL DOMINGUEZ MENDOTA, |
4 | ELIDIO ESCOBAR: }
\ JOSE DENNIS FLORES MEDRANO, )
5 JUAN FRANCISCO GARCIA PEREZ, )
CARLOS EDUARDO GONZALEZ CRUZ, )
6 | VIRGILIO TAPIA RODAS: )
HENRY VASQUEZ CRUZ, )
7 | ENCARNACION CALDERON vALDIZON, |
CARLOS HUMBERTO COMPOS ORTIZ, |
' 8 HECTOR NAJARCO ALAS, )
CRISTOBAL OSORIO MACHADO, )
9 EDWIN PEREZ VALLE, }
J0SE DANIEL SULLIVAN LoPEZ, )
10 JOSE VERGARA HERNANDEZ, and )
LUIS ARTURO ZELAYA MARTINEZ, )
1 Plaintiffs, )
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12 | vs. ) cIviL action wo.
) B-86-106
13 | IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION |
SERVICE, )
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PORT ISABEL SERVICE PROCESSING )
15 CENTER, )
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16 | JouN LUVENDER, individually
and as Director of the Port )
17 Isabel Service Processing )
Center, )
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OMAR SEWELL, individually and )
- 19 as District Director of the )
Defendant INS, )
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EDWIN WEESE, individually and
21 [as Attorney General of the )
United States, )
22 Defendants. )
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1 Deposition and answers of JUAN FRANCISCO
2 GARCIA PEREZ, who resides in Siler City, North
3 carolina, taken herein by counsel for the
4 Defendants, before GERRI C. BARKER, a Certified
5 Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public in and for the
6 State of Texas, on the 9th day of March, 1987,
7 between the hours of 10:35 a.m. and 11:25 a.m., in
8 the U.S. Attorney's office, 10th & Elizabeth
9 Streets, Brownsville, Texas, pursuant to the Texas
10 Rules of Civil Procedure.
11 The parties agree that no objections need be
12 made by any party at the time of taking said
13 deposition except objections as to the form of the
14 question or the responsiveness of the answer.
15 The parties further agree that when the
16 deposition has been transcribed, it shall be
17 delivered to the witness, or his attorney of record,
18 to be by the witness read and signed before any
19 Notary Public or official authorized to administer
20 oaths, and thereafter filed of record. However, if
21 the deposition has not been signed and filed of
22 record by the time of trial or any hearing of this
23 cause, a copy may be offered in evidence upon such
24 trial or hearing as though the deposition had been
{ 25 signed.
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1 JUAN FRANCISCO GARCIA PEREZ,
2 having been duly sworn to tell the truth, was
3 called as a witness, and testified as follows:
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5 QUESTIONS BY MS. MERCADO:
6 Q Good morning, Mr. Garcia. I'm Jeanette Mercado
7 and I am the attorney for those that you have
8 sued in this case, and that would be the
9 Immigration and Naturalization Service, John
10 Luvender, Omar Sewell and Edwin Meese. I'm
11 going to be asking you some questions
( 12 concerning this lawsuit, and after I am .
13 through, your attorneys may or may not also ask
14 you questions.
15 Mr. Garcia, have you ever been deposed
16 before?
17 A What type?
18 Q Either in a courtroom or in a situation such as
19 this, then?
20 2 No, this is the first time.
21 Q@ First, I'd like you to understand, as you
22 notice, you did take an oath which means that
23 you will be answering truthfully to every
24 question you are asked as if you were in the
{ 25 courtroom, and there is a court reporter here
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. 1 preserving that testimony that you are giving
2 here today.
3 1 will ask you that whenever you do answer
4 a question, particularly a "yes" or "no"
5 question, that you answer with the words "yes"
6 or "no" rather than shake your head. The
7 reason for that is, as I point out, the court
8 reporter is here and she needs to take down a
9 word -- a response from you, rather than just
10 have you shake your head.
11 A All right.
2 |o ana you appear to be doing a good job of this,
13 but also just in case, let me remind you that
14 it's important that you wait until the
15 interpreter has totally finished the question
16 that she's asked before you start to respond so
17 that the court reporter can take down one
18 person at a time. Okay?
19 | a al rignt.
20 | @ Also 1 will ask you if you do have any
21 questions at any point throughout the
22 deposition, please ask them then rather than
23 waiting till later on.
24 A All right.
25 | Q@ Do you have any questions at this time?
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1 A No. I understand.
2 ° Sir, would you please give your full name?
3 A My name is Juan Francisco Garcia Perez.
4 Q What is your present address?
5 A 207 East Dolphin Street.
6 Q That's 2072
7 a 207.
8 ° And Dolphin, would you spell that?
9 A D-o-1-p-h-i-n.
10 Q Ana where is this?
11 a North Carolina, Siler City, North Carolina.
f 12 Q Would you spell Siler?
13 MS. JONES: Excuse me. Could we go off
14 the record a minute?
15 (0ff-the-record discussion.)
16 THE WITNESS: S-i-l-e-T.
17 Q (By Ms. Mercado) Siler City where? I didn't
18 hear the state. I'm sorry.
19 A North Carolina.
20 Q And what is your zip code?
21 a 27344.
22 Q 207 East Dolphin, is that an apartment or a
23 house?
24 a Apartment.
( 25 Q@ And what letter or number apartment is that?
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1 A It's just got that murber, 207, is the name of
2 the apartment.
3 ° How about the address of the apartment
4 complex?
5 A It's that there is only two apartments there.
© @ okay. Sir, are you presently employed?
7 A ves.
8 @ And where do you work?
9 A In a production plant in the same city.
10 @ What factory is that?
11 A The name, you want?
( 12 Q Yes, sir. .
13 A 1 don't know how to spell but it's Highlee
14 People.
15 @ mighlee?
16 A ves.
17 @ What do you do there?
18 A 1 bring materials trom the offices, because I
19 have 16 machines. That's all I do.
20 Q What kind of materials?
21 A To manufacture threads.
22 Q And you said it was in the same city; is that
23 correct?
24 A ves.
25 © What street is Highlee on?
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1 | A In sharon Avenue. I cannot spell that.
2 |o sharon?
3 [a sharon.
4 |o Ana now many hours do you work, sir?
5 | a Forty per week.
6 | ana wnat ss your salary?
7 | a 1 make 5.29 per hour.
6 | 0 Ana how many hours -- you indicated 40 hours a
9 week you work? I'm sorry.
10 [A Per week, yes.
11 | @ What is your present resident status?
12 | a Under bond and under application for political
13 asylum.
16 |@ @hat country are you from?
15 [a El salvador. }
16 | @ sir, what is your A-number?
17 | A I have it mere. It's A-2761228333. You cannot
18 see it very clearly.
1 THE INTERPRETER: I'm going to have to
20 repeat it because there is an extra number
21 here.
22 MS. MERCADO: Yeah.
23 THE INTERPRETER: A-276128333.
24 MS. JONES: There is one or two extra
25 numbers there. |
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1 MS. MERCADO: Pardon me?
2 MS. JONES: There is one or two extra
3 numbers.
4 MS. MERCADO: Yeah.
5 THE INTERPRETER: It's handwritten.
6 Q (By Ms. Mercado) Sir, do you have anything else
7 that shows what your --
8 A No, only this one.
9 Q Are you married, sir?
10 A No.
1 ° Have you been?
f 12 A No.
13 Q And how old are you? |
14 A Nineteen.
15 Q What is your date of birth?
16 A May 11th, 1967.
17 Q Sir, what are your parents’ names?
18 A Juan Francisco Garcia and Soila Perez.
19 Q sir, how long have you been in the United
20 States?
21 A Almost one year.
22 Q When did you first arrive?
23 A In November. I don't know the exact date.
24 Q Are you speaking about November, 1986?
£ 25 a No, ‘85.
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1 Q So you've been here about a year and a half,
2 then; is that right?
3 a I don't remember very well because when I came
4 out of the center --
5 THE INTERPRETER: Corralon that he's
6 Teterring to.
7 A I came into the center in November of '85 and I
8 came out in March of '86.
9 2 And November is the first time you were in the
10 United States, November of '852
11 a Yes.
12 lo Sir, what is the highest level of education or
13 schooling that you obtained?
18 A High school.
15 ° And what grade within high school?
16 a I finished it.
17 2 I guess you finished it in El Salvador; is that
18 correct?
19 A No, in Mexico.
20 Q Do you also read and write the Spanish
21 language?
22 a Yes.
23 2 And can you tell us how proficient you are in
24 English?
25 A Regular about 80 percent.
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1 Q Eighty percent what, understand, speak, read,
2 or write?
3 A I read, write, and speak.
3 ° You indicated earlier that you arrived in the
5 States in November of '85 but you don't recall
6 what date; is that accurate?
7 a When I came into the United States?
8 Q Yes, sir.
9 A If I remember, it was the 15th of November, but
10 I'm not very sure.
11 ° In relation to the day that you arrived into
¢ 12 the United States, when did you go to the
13 detention center?
14 A That same day.
15 ° And why were you taken there?
16 A Because of being illegal.
17 Q You also indicated that you left the detention
18 center March of '86. Am I to assume you don't
19 know what day of March you left?
20 A I don't remember.
21 Q Do you have any records or anything that you
22 wrote to tell you from what date you started --
23 from what day you entered the detention center
24 and what day you left?
£ 25 a No.
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1 Q And I don't mean just something indicating that
2 information with you on your person now, but
3 even at home or wherever, do you have anything
4 indicating that?
5 a No.
6 Q Did you perform any sort of work or services at
7 the detention center?
8 A Work.
9 Q What did you do?
10 A 1 would clean the buildings.
11 Q How?
i 12 A In the inside. .
13 Q So are you referring to sweeping and mopping or
14 something more or less?
15 A Sweeping and mopping.
16 Q When did you start doing that?
17 A December 5th, 1985, December 5th.
18 ? Until when?
19 A I'm not sure because I don't remember very
20 well, but it was until December 28, and after
21 that I started again in January but I don't
22 remember on what date.
23 Q What happened December 28th that you stopped?
24 A Because a relative of mine died in El Salvador
25 and 1 didn't feel well.
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1 ° But you stayed at the center?
2 A Yes.
3 2 Who died?
4 A A sister.
8 2 And you said you resumed in January but you
6 have no idea when?
7 A No.
8 2 And then how long were you working -- and I'm
9 assuming also doing the same thing, sweeping
10 and mopping this time?
11 A Yes, the same work.
f 12 ° How long?
13 A Until I left the center.
14 ° And that would have been in March, right?
15 a March, yes.
16 2 How is it that you came to do this work of
17 sweeping and mopping at the center?
18 A Why?
19 ° How did you hear about it?
20 A Through the loud speaker.
21 2 And what was stated on the loud speaker?
22 a That anybody who wished to work, they had
23 work.
28 2 And when did you hear that?
i 25 a on the first day that I arrived to the center.
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1 |e ana did you volunteer immediately?
2 [a ves.
3 |e so you would nave begun in November?
« |» 1 wovember.
5 |@ when you first heard this information over the
. loud speaker, what did you do, then, in
? reference to what you had heard?
8 | A 1 went to talk to an immigration officer
5 wearing green and I told him I wanted to work
10 because I needed to.
11 [a bid you know that you would get paid $1 a day
‘ 12 at that time?
13 [a ves, 1 knew.
16 | @ bid you do any other work other than what
15 you've already indicated you did?
16 | A For that same dollar, we used to work in other
1 works.
18 |e such as?
19 | A Clean the windows, take the clothing to the
20 laundry room. That's all.
21 |@ And there were some people who didn't do any of
22 this work, right? You only did it if you
23 uanted to; is that correct?
240 [a Yes.
( 25 | 0 How many hours a day were you cleaning and
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1 mopping, et cetera?
2 [A Most of the time we work three hours Monday
3 through Fridays, and Saturdays and Sundays we
. worked more hours for that same dollar.
5 | 0 And when you say "more hours,” can you be a bit
6 more specific?
7 [A Tuo more hours.
8 |o so tor example, if you worked three hours a day
5 Monday through Friday, you worked five hours a
10 day on Saturday and Sunday each?
11 | 2 Most of the time.
/ 12 | Were you paid on a daily basis, sir?
13 [2 we.
18 |o How were you paid?
15 | A many times they would leave three days without
16 pay, and when they did come to pay, they would
17 pay us $1 only.
16 | 0 So you're saying that at the end of three days,
19 you should have gotten $3 and you only got $12
20 [a ves.
21 [0 Dia you sign anything every time you got paid?
22 | A sometimes.
23 | 0 Do you know why only sometimes?
24 A No.
25 | @ mut when you did sign, you got paid; is that
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2 [a ves.
3 | @ pid you take any breaks during the time that
[ you were doing these different jobs?
5 [a Ne.
6 |@ so if Monday through Friday you worked about
7 three hours, would you say they were three
8 hours in the morning or three hours in the
9 afternoon or three hours at night?
10 | A During the day. We used to work one hour and a
11 half in the mornings and one hour and a half in
‘ 12 the afternoons.
13 | 0 Do you know if only the people who were doing
14 What you were doing worked those hours or
15 everyone that volunteered for that work worked
16 about three hours a day?
17 A Only the group where I was working.
18 | @ There were lunch breaks during the time that
19 the people were working at the detention
20 center, were there not?
21 [A ves.
22 | @ And would that be about an hour or would it be
23 more or less?
28 | A Less.
{ 25 | How much time?
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1 A It might have been 30 minutes.
2 Q You don't know?
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4 |e so it could have been more? It could have been
5 less; you just don't know?
6 |» mo, 1 don't know.
7 | a Now, you've filed a lawsuit against the people
® that I indicated that I represent; is that
5 correct?
to [a ves.
11 |e why aid you file such a lawsuit?
/ 12 | A Because I knew there existed a minimum .\lary
13 in this country.
14 |@ Do you understand that a minimus salary exists
15 When there is an employee/employer
16 relationship?
oa ves.
16 |g How do you contend you were an employee of the
19 Ins.
20 | a Because 1 workea.
21 | You were being detained at this detention
22 center, were you not?
23 [A 1 knew that.
20 |g Because you had entered the country illegally;
{ 25 is that correct?
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1 a Yes.
2 Q And you were getting your daily necessities of
3 living, were you not?
4 a ves.
5 Q And you didn't have to pertorm any services in
© order to get that; is that correct?
7 A Yes.
8 ° And when you first began sweeping and mopping
9 and all that, you did know already that you
10 would be paid $1 a day; is that right?
1 A Yes.
12 ° Had you been working in your country prior to
13 coming here?
14 A No.
15 |e Had you ever worked? _
16 A ves.
17 Q How long before coming here?
18 a one year.
19 Q So for an entire year, you had not worked?
20 A No, I was studying.
21 Q@ When you arrived, you were, what, about
22 seventeen?
23 A More or less.
24 ° What sort of work did you do before?
25 A In a bus company.
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