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page 12k UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO.: 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, -vs- JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. VOLUME II OF II Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 VIDEOTAPED COMPULSORY MEDICAL EVALUATION OF • Wednesday, November 11, 2009 250 Australian Avenue Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Jeana Ricciuti, RPR, FPR, CLR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Services =?Eri="r":".••.... - PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (801-280.428-9381) 248de044-bdbfidfa0.9143-Sna9a75ffd35 EFTA01076068 . EFTA01076069 Page 123 1 APPEARANCES: 2 On behalf of the Plaintiff: 3 BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, ESQUIRE 1109 Northeast Second Street 4 Hallendal c Florida 33009 Phone: 5 6 7 On behalf of the Defendant 8 ASHLIE STOICEN-BARING, PARALEGAL BURMAN, CRITTON, LUTT1ER & COLEMAN, LLP 9 303 Banyan Boulevard Suite 400 10 Wcst P Florida 33401 Phone: 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ALSO PRESENT: Dr. Ryan Hall, Jeffrey Abbot, Peographer Visual Evidence, Incorporated 1 doctor. Financial problems. 2 Q. Okay. 3 A. So I haven't been diagnosed with anything yet 4 I mean, my therapist has diagnosed me with post S traumatic stress disorder - 6 Q. Okay. What problems? 7 A. Anxiety problems, flashbacks, depression. 8 Q. When you say flashback, what do you man by 9 that? 10 A. Just flashbacks of my past. 11 Q. Can you describe them? 12 A. When I was working at The Bagel Shop, there 13 was, you know, it was an older crowd from Century 14 Village, and I would get sane men that were, you know, 15 early — early 50s and, you know, kind of -- it was a 16 Jewish restaurant and it kind of brought back memory -- 17 memories of me and Jeffrey Epstein and things that 19 occurred between me and him that are very traumatic for 19 me to think about and accept. 20 Q. Okay. What what memories? 21 A. All memories. The way he used to look at me, 22 the way he used to talk, everything about — everything 23 that occurred between the two of us. I just would get 24 flashbacks when I would see — I'd see a lot of people 25 that look like him. 1 2 3 4 5 1 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Page 124 EXAMINATION BY DR. HALL: Q. We Just took a break for lunch, roughly 45 minutes. Any questions, comments? A. No. Q. Okay. So I think when we went oft we were -- we just did the substance history, we did the medical history, current medications and all of that, okay. So why don't we talk a little bit about your past psychiatric history. A. Okay. Q. P11 just kind of throw out an open-ended question, and so where would you like to begin? A. And what do you mean? What do you mean by that? I'm sorry. Q. I'm sorry. Past history, when's the first time you ever had any psychiatric symptoms or problems A. Psychiatric, as in? Q. Emotional, mental. A. I've never really been diagnosed for -- I 23 mean, other than depression and, I mean, I have a letter 24 that my therapist had wrote out with all of my symptoms 25 for the doctor, but I haven't been able to get to the Page 126 1 Q. Okay. And flashbacks is just memories? 2 A. Yeah, memories. 3 Q. Okay. What do you do when you get these 4 flashbacks? 5 A. Normally, I would try to just — you know, 6 nonnally when I get the flashbacks, I'd kind of get a 7 little bit of anxiety with it. 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. It kind of makes me freaked out where I don't 10 want to be around anybody. So when I've gotten them in 11 the past when I've worked at, you know, restaurants and 12 other places, I'd just kind of try to go in die 13 bathroom, gather mysel4 calm myself down. 14 Q. Okay. How long do they last for? 15 A. It would vary. Sometimes it would last for 16 five or ten minutes with the whole anxiety and 17 everything that came with it, sometimes it would last 18 longer. 19 Q. Okay. Would you ever feel as if an event was 20 happening at that moment in time? 21 A. Sometimes. That's happened to me. 22 Q. Can you describe that to me? 23 A. There was — there was a older gentleman, his 24 name was Leo, and he would always come in to the bagel 25 restaurant that I worked at. And this is really before 2 (Pages 123 to 126) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciutl (601-280428-93131) 218d9044-bdbf4fa0-9143-5060•76ffd35 EFTA01076070 Page 127 1 like I got to talk, I started talking to my therapist 2 about it and everything else. And he had two tickets 3 that he wanted to give tome, and he asked me he VMS 4 going to tell me in my ear, you know, what he wanted to 5 give to me for whatever the reason, and we — when i 6 bent down to talk to him, you know,icould just — like 7 the sound of his voice, how he was talking, you know, it 8 just reminded me of Jeffrey's way of talking, how he 9 talked realty fast and sometimes it would be like 10 inaudible or when — I really wouldn't understand what 11 he was saying because he was talking so fast, and it 12 would just instantly remind me when -- how, you know, he 13 would, you know, say come close — like whisper in my 14 ear, come closer, do you like that. You know, and i 15 would feel — i would feel -- when I bent down and he 16 talked to me, 1 felt lace l was almost reliving when I 17 was 14, 15 again. 18 Q. Okay. What do you mean by reliving? 19 A. I felt Ince I was — for a moment, I felt like 20 i was back at Jeffrey's house and he was talking in my 21 ear, whispering in my Cr, talking to me, just how he 22 used to. 23 Q. Okay. How did you feel like you were back at 24 Jeffrey's house? 25 A. I'm sorry? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 129 brought me back. Q. Okay. Any other symptoms? A. As far as flashbacks, I suffer really bad from anxiety. I have a lot of like — like I'm losing hair. I would say i have really bad anxiety problems. Q. When did the anxiety start? A. Probably after -- when I really stopped taking, like, chugs and stuff like that. Q. Okay. A. And I had full control over all of my emotions, ince I started to feel again. Q. Anxiety is another one of those words that people mean a lot of different things when they say it. When you say anxiety, what are you referring to? A. Almost makes me nauseous. Like, my stomach gets in knots. I'll feel very hot, my face gets red, my heart starts racing, my hands get sweaty. I don't know, I feel like I can't talk. Q. How long does that last for? A. That could vary. That could — sometimes its lasted for five, ten minutes; sometimes there's been times where i would — i was supposed to go out and i got fully dressed, ready, and leave my house and literally make a U-turn and go back and don't go anywhere. Page 128 1 Q. You said that at that moment I felt like —1 2 mean, how did you feel like you were back at Jeffrey's 3 house? A. I — that's just what I -- when he started 5 talking in my ear, i got a flash — I just had a 6 flashback of being at his house, and... 7 Q. Did you still realize you were at the 8 restaurant, though? 9 A. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I had -- I knew where I 10 was, but I mean the thought as soon as he started 11 whispering in my ear, i thought — I had thoughts of 12 being at his house and reliving that moment. 13 Q. And what did you do? 14 A. I walked away from the table. i told the 15 other waitress that she could handle my tables, and I 16 walked into the bathroom to... 17 Q. Did you accidentally call Leo Jeffrey Epstein, 18 or did you push him away or did you — 19 A. 'didn't — I just walked away from him. I 20 didn't take what he was trying to give to me. [didn't 21 really — I Wasn't even taking in what he was trying to 22 even say to me. All I heard was the tone of his voice 23 and how he kind of was talking lower and fast, and I 24 just didn't — I wasn't really listening but I just 25 beard the tone and how it was and, you know, it just 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 130 Q. And why do you go back? A. There — I'm just for example, I don't know, I just — Q. I mean, I don't mean to interrupt you, but you gave me an example. You're dressed, you're ready and you're going out. Why do you turn beck? A. Certain — certain little things will trigger my anxiety, and I don't want to be around anybody. I feel funny, I feel jittery, I feel like I'm going to It Q. What kind of things trigger it? A. Lite, being around — being around -- not elderly but around men that are around, you know, 50,1 • suppose you could say. Q. Well, I'm assuming if you're in your car dressed up -- A. Right. Okay. Q. — going out, i'll assuming Friday or Saturday night? A. Right. Q. This one time you're talking about -- A. lib-huh. Q. — there wasn't a 50-year-old in the car with yom A. No, there's not a 50-year-old. 3 (Pages 127 to 130) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, Electronically signed by Joann RIcciuti (601.280428-9381) INC. 248de044-bdbf4fa0.9143-50a9a76Nd36 EFTA01076071 Page 131 1 Q. So what are you-- 2 A. That's driving in West Palm, driving down 3 Okeechobee Boulevard towards his house, right down the 4 street, or even passing by or being in this building 5 right now, I had severe anxiety coming here today 6 knowing that he's probably in this building right now 7 from what 1 understand. So there's, you know, many 8 things- 9 Q. Why do you even think he's in the building 10 right now? 11 A. Well, I've heard throughout this whole time 12 that I've been in this case that he does come to this 13 building and whether he has occupations or what, I don't 14 really know or care, but I'm just saying living in West 15 Palm Beach and going — when I do go out on Friday and 16 Saturday, Igo out to Clematis or whatever and, you 17 know, basically that's the route I would take when I 18 would go to his house. That's, you know, it just brings 19 back bad memories. 20 Q. So did you leave West Palm because of those 21 memories? 22 A. Yeah. I have not really lived in West Palm 23 other than come back to my mom's house for a while 24 because I don't like being around here. 25 Q. Okay. And is there any other reasons besides Page 132 1 Q. Okay. And when is the first time you saw 2 Mr. Epstein? 3 A. The first time I ever came in contact with 4 Mr. Epstein, I was probably 14, turning 15. 5 Q. Okay. And do you know what the date was on 6 that? 7 A. No, I do not. 8 Q. Any idea, any time frames? Any 9 A. No, maybe — !want to say maybe later on in 10 the year, maybe around my birthday, October, November, 11 December of later on in the year. 12 Q. Well, how do you know 14 then? 13 A. I— that's why I said 14 Diming 15, 14 approximately around there. 15 g Okay. But how do you know it wasn't 15 16 turning 16? 17 A. Because I know that I wasn't — Thad already 18 been seeing him when I was 16. 19 Q. Okay. But, again, IS going ono 16, I mean. 20 how do you know it's not that versus 14 and 15? 21 A. No. I'm — because when I dropped out -- when 22 I dropped out being a freshman, you would a freshman, 23 you're 15. So I was either — I was probably 15 years 24 old, 14, 15, give or take, the first time I ever went to 25 Jeffrey's house, so... Page 132 1 Jeffrey that you may not want to be around here? 2 A. No, there's not. 3 Q. Because I think like some of the clubs you 4 used to work at are also on Okeechobee and things of 5 that nature, and that has nothing to do with him. 6 A. Right, but the clubs that I worked at that are 7 on Okeechobee I have worked at, I worked at when I was 8 also — after I'd seen him, l worked — I was still 9 seeing him when I would work at those clubs. And ever 10 since then, ever since I stopped seeing him, I don't 11 work in a club in Palm Beach County and I haven't. 12 Q. Okay. So where is Platinum Gold at or the one 13 that you were in -- 14 A. That's in Delray. 15 Q. Delray? 16 And what, the Cheetah Club, I think is on 17 Okeechobee? 18 A. Correct. 19 Q. Okay. And when was the times you worked 20 there? 21 A. Well, there's a Cheetah Club here and there's 22 a Cheetah Club in Pompano. 23 Q. Right. So what were the times that you were 24 working at the one here? 25 A. I had to have been 18. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 134 Q. Okay. Well, I mean, that's what I'm asking is bow do you know — what external markers are you using? Are you using school or what — A. I'm using school. Q. -- do you remember a particular event or a 4th of July when you were with someone? 1 mean, how were you -- because you're kind of just throwing it out there, and — A. I don't mean to be throwing it out there. I'm just using it by my schooling, by my timeline. Q. So when did you start ninth grade? What year? A. I don't know. I'm not 100 percent sure what year it was. Q. Okay. But you saw him when you were in the ninth grade? A. I had already stopped going, yes. Q. Okay. Now, did you see him when you were in the eighth grade? A. No, I did not. Q. Okay. When did you drop out of the ninth grade? A. Probably a month into my ninth grade, two months, a month to two months. Q. Okay. And you started in August or September 4 (Pages 131 to 134) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, Electronically signod by Jean* Ricciuti (601.280428-9381) INC. 248de044-bdbf4fa0-9143-50a9a75ffd35 EFTA01076072 Page 135 1 A. Pm assuming starting in August. That's about 2 the time school starts. 3 Q. Okay. So you dropped out in September or you 4 dropped out in October? S A. I would say around October. 6 Q. Okay. So you dropped out right when, around 7 your birthday? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Okay. In trouble with truancy officers or 10 anything like that? /.1 A. Uh-uh. 12 Q. Okay. When is the first time you met 13 Mr. Epstein? 14 A. The first — the first time I ever met 15 r.teinit was me and E. and M.'s friend, 16 , or and... 17 Q. And do you know last name? 18 A. 19 Q. How did you know..? 20 A. I met her through — I met her through my ex, 21 S and then we became friends at like a party and 22 we got to know each other more. 23 Q. So you were already dating at this 24 time? 25 A. I had already dated him and we had already 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 137 gave him a massage, and I would have to get nude during the massage, I would be paid $200. So at that time, it was a risk I was willing to take, so I went there. Q. What do you mean by that? A. What? Q. It was a risk I was willing to take. A. When I was told that I had to go somebody's house and I'd give him a massage and I would have to take my clothes off, and it was -- this was a perfectly good stranger is always a risk, I mean... Q. Okay. How big of a risk did you think it was? A. Because of the, you know — I was told that he was a brain surgeon or something and, like, he was a high powered man so 1— !mean, yeah, it was a perfectly good stranger but thinking he's, you know, got money or whatever, I didn't think that he would be a total, you know--! didn't think I was going to get raped or anything like that. Q. Okay. So just like and this may be a bad analogy, but just like going on a date on eHannony, there arc certain risks on meeting somebody you don't know - A. Exactly. Q. -- but the fact that you met him through people you knew, told you that he was respectable -- Page 136 dated and not been together. Q. Okay. So you already knew him and had broken 3 up? A. Right. 5 Q. So were you seeing anyone the first time you 6 went? 7 A. The first time I went? No,1 don't believe I B was with anybody or seen an y. 9 Q. Do you know last name? 10 A. No, I don't know. 11 Q. And she was Ws friend, so you didn't 12 already know her before -- 13 A. No. 14 Q. — and didn't hang out or anything like that? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Okay. And again, roughly, what time of the 17 year do you think it was? 18 A. For some ream', like I said,1 want to say 19 around the end of the year but ! could be wrong. I want 20 to say like around October, November, December, 21 somewhere around those months, but I could be wrong. 22 Q. Okay. And how did you end up going? 23 A. Basically, I was told that, you know keep 24 my, you know, lifestyle, how I was living at the time in 25 mind, but I was told if I went to Epstein's house and 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 138 A. Right. Q. -- you thought the chances of something bad happening, such as being raped, killed or — A. Right. Q. — disappearing were low? A. Right. Q. Okay. And I have done eHannony, and I do remember some of my dates having friends call them up and so I do understand that there are strange things in this world. Who told you ahead of time you were giving him and things like that? A. and — .. went before me, so . kind of told me about it before 1 had even gone. She told me what... Q. So did you massage him the first time you went? A. Yea. Q. And kind if you remember, can you walk me through that time? A. It was late at night and he had two of his people, two of his people come and pick me and up out at the Shell gas station off of Okeechobee and the Turnpike, and it was late at night. I want to say we probably got there around 9:00, 9:30. When we got 5 (Pages 135 to 138) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Moduli (601-2804284381) 248d0044-bdbMfa0-9143-60a9a768635 EFTA01076073 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 139 there, we rang the buzz there was like a little buzzer thing. came out or walked us in. Q. I apologize, was it a cab that came and got you or did he actually have like — A. No, he had his drivers come pick us up. Q. Okay. A. And we walked upstairs. He has like — when you first walk in his kitchen, he has a side door. It looks like it would be a closet. You open it and it's a stairwell, and you go up the stairwell and then you go right to — it's like a hallway and there's a door. You open the door and then there is another door. You open up that door and that's his bedroorsInd you walk around his bed to the bathroom. I guess M. had been there so she had already kind of knew what to do, so she got the massage table out and everything and, you know, set it up, put the towels on the way he liked,Ituess, and — Q. Do you know how many times M. had been there before she took you? A. No. Q. Okay. What had she told you about her experience going? A. She told me that she would go — that she went there, she would massage him. Halfway through, she would have to take her clothes off, that if she wanted 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 141 Q. And you had been at a couple of parties where that had happened? A. Right. Q. Okay. Had you been sexually active at this time? A. No. In the beginning of me going there, no, I wasn't. Q. you were not sexually active with, I guess, it was is his name? A. Right, no, 1 was sexually active with M. Q. Okay. Because I thought you said by the time you had gone to see Epstein the first time, you had already broken up with M. A. Right. SI. Okay. So you had been sexually active with broke up with him and then went to Epstein? A. Right. But sexually active, I was still a virgin. I mean, there are numerous ways — Q. Okay. What had you done? A. I'm sorry? Q. What had you done with M? A. He had given me oral sex, he fingered me. Q. Okay. And did you do anything to M? A. Yeah. Q. What did you do with him? Page 140 1 to keep — if you wanted to keep your underwear on, you 1 2 could, but if you didn't want to, you didn't have to; 2 3 that Liar the massage, that he would flip over. And me 3 ei and M. were friends so she, you know, would tell me 4 5 everything that happened. And she said that he would 5 6 flip over and you — he liked his nipples to be squeezed 6 7 and be would jack off. 7 Q. Okay. So you had heard all this before you 8 9 went? 9 o A. Right. 10 11 Q. All right. And when she told you this, did 11 12 she seem to be bothered by it or say, ifs just his 12 13 thing and it's not a big deal? 13 14 A. It was more like, you know, it was just his 14 15 thing and it wasn't really a big deal. 15 16 Q. Okay. Had you seen a grown man naked before 16 17 you did this? 17 18 A. No. 18 19 Q. Had you seen an age-appropriate man naked 19 20 before you did this? 20 21 A. Yeah, I suppose so. 21 22 Q. Do you remember specifically? 22 23 A. I bow that we were all younger so, I mean, if 23. 24 I was ever -- like, there was parties where people would 24 25 start skinny dipping and stuff like that, so... 25 Page 142 A. I gave him oral sex, or at least tried to. Q. Was there a problem with that? A. Well, I mean, l had never done it before so it was more of a teaming experience. Q. Okay. A. But even after me and broke up, I mean, after I lost my virginity, we had then slept together and had a sexual encounter, but that was way after the fact, like when I — but I wasn't — I don't think that it was it was a sex on occasion, you could say. And before I said tha ro, meaning 1 did have sex — I did have sex with =, but I didn't — I was a virgin until I was 15 years old, so I know that when we dated, it was... Q. Okay. So you lost your virginity at age 15, correct? A. Uh-huh. Q. Who did you first have sexual intercourse with? A. (phonetic). Q. Ion sorry, I had asked that earlier, I had forgotten that. You didn't list him as a significant. How did that happen or — A. Inlet — he was older than me, and I was 6 (Pages 139 to 142) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by .leana Ric:clod (601-2804284381) 2a8de044-bdbf-4f30.9143-60a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076074 Page 143 1 really attracted to him and he had a girlfriend at the 2 time so we were just friends, and I it was just like 3 a crush. And then he had broke up with his girlfriend 4 and it was around Saint Patrick's Day, I could say, and 5 we went to this party or whatever, and he said, he said 6. he wanted — I didn't put him down as one of the people 7 1 had been with because basically he was — he just was 8 like all lie. He said he had broken up with his 9 girlfriend and sniff like that, and he knew how much I 10 lilted him or whatever, so I think it was more that he 11 knew I was a virgin and so it was like taking my 12 virginity. And i thought we were going to be together 13 and then we weren't and he went back to the girlfriend. 14 So that's how. 15 Q. And guessing if it was Saint Patrick's 16 Day, there was probably a little beer or something 17 involved? 18 A. Yeah. I'm sure that there probably was. 19 Q. Okay. So I apologize. So prior to going to 20 Epstein's the first time, and you didn't have 21 intercourse but you had sexual play - 22 A. Right. 23 Q. — for lack of a better word, with M? 24 A. Uh-huh. 25 Q. Okay. And the experience consisted of him Page 145 1 I mean, what was -- 2 A. I mean, it's not like — it's not like I 3 didn't know what, you know, jacking off was or anything 4 like that. I mean, I just took it as him getting off. 5 i mean, i didn't take it as, ew, that's nasty, I never 6 want to see that again or, you know... 7 Q. And before all this happened, has anybody had 8 a talk with you about the birds and the bees or things 9 like that? 10 A. Oh, yeah. 11 Q. And how old were you when you think you first 12 learned about sex? 13 A. Well, you know, I was a really late bloomer, 14 so I didn't develop, you know, but like a lot of my 15 friends, had lost their virginities and told me about 16 this and that and how to do this and how to do that and 17 what was good and what wasn't, and... 18 Q. Okay. So you had, again maybe a bad term, had 19 picked it up on the playground or — 20 A. Right, uh-huh. 21 Q. Do you think you were one of your kind of last 22 fiends to lose your virginity? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. When it happened, how did you feel about it? 25 A. When I lost my virginity? Page 144 I providing oral sex to you, as well as inserting a finger into your vagina? 3 A. Right. 4 Q. Okay. If I use any tenns you find offensive 5 or uncomfortable, please let me know. I'm trying to 6 stick with more of a medical terminology. 7 A. Okay. Q. And you had provided fellatio or oral sex on 9 him? 10 A. 1.th-huh. 11 Q. Your first time? 12 A. Ph-huh. 13 Q. Okay. How many times had you guys had play 14 before you went to Epstein's? 15 A. Maybe a handful of times. 16 Q. Had he ever ejaculated in your presence? 17 A. I mean, yeah, I suppose so. I'm trying to 18 remember. I think so, yeah. 19 Q. Okay. And what was your reaction to that? 20 A. It was all a learning experience for me so, I 21 mean, I didn't take it as — i mean, i knew that was his 22 nature or whatever, but Pm not — 23 Q. I've heard people say, hey, that's the 24 greatest compliment that a guy can pay to a woman or 25 that was kind of disgusting and I wasn't ex tin: it. Page 146 1 Q. Uh-huh. 2 A. I felt, obviously, like I lost my virginity. 3 But besides that, I felt very betrayed because of how 4 the guy did it because I really liked him, I really 5 wanted to be with him and he just definitely used me to 6 take my virginity. 7 Q. As you said, it was not the best experience? 8 A. Right. 9 Q. Okay. So were at Epstein's place. I 10 think you said M. had walked you up the stairs and set 11 up the table. 12 A. Uh-huh. 13 Q. If you don't mind, kind of picking it up from 14 there. 15 A. She set up the table, she put the towels down. 16 She had done went over everything, showed me where, 17 lire, the lotions were and we picked out a lotion. She 18 told me to take my rings off I don't know, she just 19 kind of told me to relax and he was a good guy and don't 20 really worry about it. 21 Q. Okay. Had you not taken anything before you 22 went that time? 23 A. As in drugs? 24 Q. Uh-huh. 25 A. Yes, Fm sure that I had. 7 (Pages 143 j to 1 4 6) (1IIIIIIIIIIII PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signod by ,loana Ricciuti (601-280428.9381) 248de044-bdbf.4fa0.9143.60a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076075 Page 147 Page 149 1 Q. Okay. What did you take? 2 A. Probably some sort of painkiller or narcotic. 3 Q. Okay. Now, was that the first time you had 4 taken anything? 5 A. No. I had taken them before that. 6 Q. Okay. 7 A. But, I mean, I wasn't big on them. 8 Q. Who -- who gave them to you? 9 A. I honestly can't remember. 10 ad cooly. Was it something that either I. or 11 ve you, or was it something you may have 12 already had like earlier, like a week or two? 13 A. Yeah, like I probably already had. 14 Q. Okay. Were you nervous when you went? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. This may be an odd question, but why do you 17 think you were nervous? 18 A. The fact that I was going to give an older man 19 a massage and get naked for him for money. 20 Q. Okay. And what happened after that? 21 A. We sat on this little pink couch in his 22 bathroom, and we waited for him to walk in. He walked 23 in with a robe and took — we introduced ourselves. He 24 introduced himself to me, and I introduced myself to 25 him. He laid on the -- on the massage table on his 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21. 22 23 24 25 A. I was very nervous the whole time. Q. What about meeting him increased it? A. Just that I was, you know, really -- like him and a seemed very more open about the whole — it just seemed like they were more comfortable with it and it was something that 'I had never done and it was something new o I was just very nervous. Q. And a didn't appear to be nervous with it; is that fair? A. No. It seemed like, you know, wasn't Q. And did that help reassure you or did you still feel like maybe this isn't the right thing? A. It kind of reassured me, but I still thought to myself that I knew it wasn't right. Q. Okay. So I apologize. He made the introduction, got on the table. What happened next? A. We started massaging him. She was on the left side of him, I was on right side of him and we each massaged him, his legs, his feet, his lower back, his upper back, and he was on the phone as if he was handling business, An not really sure who he was talking to, and we massaged him for probably 30 minutes. Q. At any time during this massage or after the introduction, did you think, you know, I don't want to Page 148 1 stomach and -- 2 Q. Hold on. I'm sorry to interrupt. So he had 3 on a pink robe, came in — A. No. lie had on a white robe. We were sitting 5 on his pink couch. 6 Q. Thank you. Was he wearing anything underneath 7 his robe or A. No. And as I said, he laid on — afterwards, 9 we talked fora second, introduced ourselves, he just -- 10 Q. When he got on the table, did you see him 11 Deiced or did he always have a towel or the robe on, or 12 how did that work? 13 A. Well, when he was getting on the table, he 14 took his robe off and he had nothing underneath there. 15 And so he definitely exposed himself getting onto the 16 table. And then while we gave him the massage, he put a 17 towel, like, you know, on -- across on like his butt 18 kind of. 19 Q. Okay. And IS was still with you at this 20 point? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Okay. And how did the introductions go? Did 23 that increase your anxiety, relieve it any, just... 24 A. 11 kind of -- it increased it. 25 Q. Okay. Page 150 1 go through with this or I can leave or... 2 A. Yeah, I did think of that. 3 Q. Why did you not? 4 A. I already figured I was halfway in it and I. S you know... 6 Q. Okay. So I've already kind of done the worst 7 part - 8 A. Right. 9 Q. — I might as well finish it up? 10 A. Exactly. 11 Q. Pm sorry to interrupt. Please go on. 12 A. After we were done massaging him, we massaged 13 him for like 30 minutes, he -- he would talk to he 14 talked to us like here and there in between his phone 15 calls. After we ws. done massaging him, he asked 16 — he asked a. to leave the room. She left the 17 room and waited downstairs. And after she left the 18 room, he asked me to, like, stand next to him and 19 like — I can't explain it. If he was laying down, just 20 stand next to him where his arm would be, like, right 21 next to him, and he wanted me to rub his chest. 22. Q. Okay. 23 A. And he wanted me to squeeze and penetrate his 24 nipples as he penetrated himself and — 25 Q. Hold on one second. Penetrate himself, you 8 (Pages 147 to 150; PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Rieeittl (601-280-428-9381) 2411de044-bdbUfa0-9143-60alkinitfcl35 EFTA01076076 Page 151 Page 153 1 have to explain that one to me. 2 A. Oh, I mean, you know, jack off. 3 Q. Okay. Because when I think penetrate himself, 4 I was wondering if - 5 A. Right, i said that wrong. 6 Q. -- he's sticking something in his rectum — or 7 sucking on — 8 A. No, no. I didn't mean that, I'm sorry. 9 Q. That's why i said. I wanted to make sure. 10 It may sound silly, but do you know which hand 11 was he using? 12 A. i would assume it was his right because i was 13 standing on his left side and he would with his other hand, with his left hand. 15 Q. So while you're massaging his chest and 16 pinching his nipples, he had a hand leached around and 17 was grabbing you? 18 A. He would reach around and grab me. 19 Q. And with his other hand he was touching 20 himself? 21 A. Correct. 22 Q. Did he have a towel on at this time? 23 A. No. 24 Q. So he was totally naked? 25 A. Correct. 1 this is seven years now, six years. 2 A. Exactly. So rm trying to put the pieces back 3 together as much as p0SSible. 4 Q. Okay. And, again, if there is something 5 you're not sure on, feel free to say that. 6 A. Okay. 7 Q. I don't want to put words in your mouth. 8 A. Right. 9 Q. All right So he went until he climaxed. Did 10 he have tissues or did he clean himself off with a 11 towel, or — 12 A. Well, another thing was is before he came in 13 or when he came in — no, before he came in, there was 14 - no, when he came in, he would set his like, he had 15 a shower and lace a spa thing and you can walk — they 16 are nip next to each other, so he had — its kind of 17 like timed out where, like, when he walked in, he would 18 set it, and then basically when he was done climaxing or 19 whatever, i believe he came in his hand because i didn't 20 see him use a towel or anything like that, and... 21 Q. Did you see the semen, or... 22 A. No. Me I said, i really wasn't -- 23 Q. You weren't looking down there? 24 A. Right. 25 Q. And this may be a silly question, and if rtn Page 152 1 Q. All right. Was there anything shocking about 2 his appearance? 3 A. I mean, I didn't pay much attention to his 4 private area. I was trying not to. I mean, when I was 5 massaging him, he seemed like he kept up with himself, 6 he didn't seemed dirty or anything like that. Q. Was there anything abnormal about his penis or 8 any scars or tattoos or in this case 9 A. No. I didn't -- 10 Q. — that was surprising? 11 A. No, I didn't. But like i said, i wasn't 12 really staring at his penis so i really don't know. 13 Q. Okay. Where were you looking? 14 A. I was looking in his face or trying to, like, 15 look away, but he liked to make eye contact. 16 Q. Okay. And he was on the phone fora while. 17 Did he ever make small talk with you? 18 A. Yeah, in between. 19 Q. What were some of the things he would talk to 20 you about? 23. A. Where did i work, i think maybe. i mean, 22 there's various, many times we had small talk and i 23 honestly can't pinpoint what exactly he said on the 24 first time. 25 Q. Fair enough. And I know sometimes -- again, Page 154 1 off base, I just apologize, just bear with me. Do you 2 know how he was holding it? I mean, was he — I'm just 3 trying to imagine somebody coming into their hand and 4 not having it visible. I mean, was he holding the 5 shaft, or was it one hand over and doing something like 6 this? 7 A. i think he was just going like this -- 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. -- and when he was going to come, I think he 10 just held it. I'm not really sure. 11 Q. Okay. At any time, were you fearful for your 12 life? 13 A. No, never fearful. 14 Q. And when he was kind of grabbing you, were you 15 clothed at that time, unclothed? 16 A. No, i wasn't. I didn't have clothes on. 17 Q. At what point of the massage did you take your 18 clothes off? 19 A. Like, halfway through the massage. 20 Q. And did he ask you to do that or was that 21 something.. started to do and you just followed suit? 22 A. No, he asked us to take our clothes off. 23 Q. What in particular did he ask? 24 A. Ile asked us to take our clothes off 25 Q. So he said please get naked or did he say take 9 (Pages 151 to 154 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. ( iIIIIIIIIIII Electronically signed by Jenne RIcclutl (601-280-428-9381) 248(14044-bdbf-Ofa0-9143-5049476ffd36 EFTA01076077 Page 155 1 your tops off or would you like to get more comfortable? 2 A. No. Tt was more like probably, would you like 3 to be — I don't think — 'think he just asked us to 4 take our clothes off, to be honest. 5 Q. Okay. And you took off your underwear as 6 well? 7 A. The first time I did not take my underwear 8 off. 9 Q. So when that first time, 10 you still had underwear on? 11. A. I did, right. 12 Q. And your top was on — I mean, the bra on or 13 off? 14 A. I had no bra. I was just in my underwear, no 15 socks, no shoes, no nothing. lust underwear. 16 Q. Gat you. Bad joke but, you know, ifs like 17 the Army visit where they say take everything off but 18 your socks just so you're not fully naked. 19 Okay. When he reached around and grabbed you, 20 did you ask him not to do that or don't hold tight or -- 21 A. It honestly came as a surprise. I wasn't 22 really expecting that so I didn't really say anything 23 because I didn't know what to say. 24 Q. Okay. When it was over, how did you get paid? 25 A. He had already given M. the money. Page 157 1 Q. Okay. So that's 30 times ova about a three 2 year period? 3 A. Uh-huh. 4 Q. I'm just trying to think of how the math works 5 out. So that would be and again, he may be traveling 6 too, so would it be like a once-a-week type thing 7 or would it be when he was in town every day? 8 A. Right, like or sometimes he would call 9 me when he was on the plane coming back, ■ call me 10 when he was leaving, tell me when he would come back. I 11 mean, sometimes it would be once a week, sometimes it 12 would be four times a week. Sometimes he would want me 13 to bring girls, sometimes he would want me to bring 14 myself, you know. 15 Q. Did you ever bring anybody else? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Okay. How wary people do you think you 18 brought? 19 A. 1 brought quite a few people. A guesstimate 20 amount, I'd probably say 25 to 30 girls at least. 21 Q. Okay. And that's best guess? 22 A. Right. 23 Q. Where did you find these girls? 24 A. House parties, people I had known for a while, 25 friends that 1 had {mew. Page 156 1 Q. And do you know if.. got paid extra for 2 bringing someone new? 3 A. Yeah. 1 believe she got paid $200. Q. Did she also get paid for the part massage or 5 was it just $200 for it? 6 A. She got 200 and I got 200. 7 Q. Okay. What did you do with the money? 8 A. At the time, I was living at n's house, and 9 1 didn't really have — well, I wasn't really living 10 there yet, but it was when we first became friends, so 1 11 was over there a lot, and I basically wont and I 12 bought — I bought food, I bought underwear, I bought 13 just, I guess, survival, things you need to survive, 14 things you need. 15 Q. Okay. How many times do you think you went? 16 A. I couldn't answer that only because I went a 17 lot. I went numerous times. 18 Q. Bear with me, I appreciate that answer 19 because, again, I don't want to hold you to a number 20 that's not accurate. Ballparking it for me, 5, 10, 50, 21 100? 22 A. I would say anywhere between 30 to 50 times. 23 Q. Okay. And over how long of a period did you 24 go? 25 A. I went from when 1 was 15 to probably 18. Page 158 1 Q. What are your house parties like now? 2 A. Normally, like especially in Wellington, which 3 is a nicer part of town, you know, rich parents go out 4 of town, leave the kids at home, you know, the kids — 5 everybody would be drinking the parents' liquor and 6 getting all wild and crazy. 7 Q. And when is the first time you think you went 8 to one of those types of parties? 9 A. Probably when I was 15. Like, when I stopped 10 going to school. 11 Q. When you say you went about 30 to 50 times, is 12 that just when you gave the massage or does that include 13 when you brought someone? 14 A. That includes when I brought someone and by 15 myself. 16 Q. And when you brought someone, did you also 17 massage, or was it kind of just -- 18 A. Sometimes he would want me in there and 19 sometimes he wouldn't. 20 Q. Out of those 30 to 50 times, is it worth 21 trying to go through each time, or is there certain 22 times that just stand out more in your memory now? 23 A. There are definitely certain times that stand 24 out more than others. 25 Q. Okay. Why don't you kind of tell me about the 10 (Pages 155 to 158) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Rlcciuti (401-280-4284381) 248d00444dbf4fa0-9143-5049476f(d35 EFTA01076078 Page 159 1 ones that stand out. 2 A. One time I went, I was by myself, and we went 3 through the whole massage and I was adjusting my 4 underwear the whole time. He was on the phone, as 5 normally. Most of the time he was on the phone. He 6 would try to make sane small talk in between, but 7 sometimes he wouldn't. And I massaged him and when it 8 was time for him to flip over and ejaculate or whatever, 9 and I had my underwear on. And when I stood next to 10 him, he asked me to take my underwear oO and it was 11 almost like I didn't want to, but for some reason I kind 12 of felt obligated as if that was the right thing to do 13 or it was okay to do it, and I took my underwear off. 14 And then as I was taking my underwear off, he went and 15 he got — looked as if it was like a back massager, like 16 a big round back massager. And as I stood next to him, 17 as he was e. I did not want to do it and I did 21 not really know how to say no. It was kind of awkward, 22 made it feel like it was oka and normal and natural. 23 And so he was tacking off 24 and it would be ova 25 with. Page 161 1 Q. Did you ever cancel an appointment with him? 2 A. Many times. 3 Q. Any other times that stood out? 4 A. Yeah, actually. 5 Q. Actually, I apologize. Before we get there, 6 you said you canceled many times. What would be some of 7 the reasons why you would cancel? 8 A. Well, towards the end of this whole shindig. 9 everything that had happened, he became — he would get 10 very frustrated with me. He would call me and say this 11 irl I said I was going to bring and 12 canceled out on me, and he — and it was time for 13 roe to go and I called and said, listen, this girl is not 14 picking up, I'm supposed to go pick her up in the cab 15 but she's not picking up ha phone so I don't really 16 know what to do. Pm being stood up, therefore, you're 17 being stood up. I mean, there's — I canceled on a lot 18 of times because a lot of girls would chicken out and 19 not want to go and not want to go through with it, which 20 is obvious and for obvious reasons, and he would get 21 frustrated with me, mad. Like, at the end, he really 22 was, like, you could tell that he had a problem with it. 23 And that's pretty much why I stopped even going to him 24 because, at the end, he Just was like almost yelling at 25 me, like, you know for not bringing him girls, underaged Page 160 1 Q. Okay. I know this is going to be difficult to 2 talk about, but I just want to make sure. You initially 3 used the word penetrate. You've used it once or twice before when it wasn't exactly appropriate. I want to make sure 6 A. Yeah, but there was times where — there's 3 been another time where 9 10 Q. Okay. And we'll get to that one. 11 A. Okay. 12 Q. But just with this time here, nothing was 13 inserted? 14 A. Right. 15 Q. Okay. How often had you gone before that time 16 it happened? 17 A. That was a while after. It seemed like every 18 time I went, it got — he tried to — it was a little 19 bit more lenient and more lenient and more lenient and 20 more lenient. So that was probably maybe my, I don't 21 know, fifth or sixth time going. 22 Q. Okay. Did you notice that at the time? 23 A. Notice what at the time? 24 Q. That it was progressively going nether? 25 A. Yeah, I did kind of notice that. Page 162 1 girls. 2 Q. And bear with me. There's various types of 3 yelling-- 4 (Interruption in the proceedings.) 5 DR. HALL: Yeah? Come in. 6 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: I have to change the tape. 7 (A brief recess was taken.) 8 BY DR. HALL: 9 Q. We just took a little break there, had a phone 10 call. Just wondering who acre talking to. 11 A. I was talking with 12 Q. 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Okay. So just before we went to the break or 15 the tape needing to be changed out, you talked about you 16 had to cancel several times. 17 A. Right. 18 Q. And that towards the end he would start 19 yelling at you. 20 A. Uh-huh. 21 Q. I think I was in the middle of asking. you 22 know, there's different types of yelling, so what do you 23 mean when you say yelling? 24 A. Not even really like screaming, almost just 25 like using -- bcc:auk: he talks -- he seems to talk very PROSE COURT REPORTING 11 (Pa )es 159 to 162 AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Malted (6014804284381) 2413cte044-bdbfaa0.143450a9a781105 EFTA01076079 Page 163 1 soft and it was just a louder voice that he would use, I 2 suppose you could say. He sounded very frustrated. 3 Q. Did he ever threaten you? 4 A. No, he never threatened me. 5 Q. And I know I asked the first time you went, 6 you said that you were fearful of your life. Any other 7 times in your life that you were fearful that some 8 physical harm may come to you or something bad may occur 9 to you? 10 A. No. He never gave me that impression that 11 anything -- that he was going to hurt me, no. 12 Q. Okay. And I apologize, I don't mean to derail 13 you. You were about to talk about one of the other 14 times that stood out. 15 A. Yeah. I believe I was saying probably when 16 he I don't know, if l ever — I don't think we got to 17 talk about when he fingered me or 18 Q. No. We talked about when he used the vibrator 19 on you about the fifth or sixth time 20 A. Right. 21 Q. And then I think you were going to start on 22 that. 23 A. Right And then a couple of times later that 24 I had been there, the same thing occurred. He asked me 25 to take off my underwear, and I really didn't want to, Page 165 1 actually a better time of all the times that he didn't 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 r whatever, but afterwards he htad me sit in the sauna with him, and he was explaining that how good it is for you. I don't know exactly what it does now. He was explaining -- Q. How good the sauna was for you? A. Correct, yes. And then after we stayed — we stayed in the sauna for a certain amount of time, he explained how it opened up your pores, and then we went into the shower stuff that's good your r your n or whatever and he and and used certain, I guess, explained it all to me. So we took a shower together on one occasion. And then there was another occasion where I went there and I massaged him and he asked me by this time, it was at the point where he want( really having to ask me to take off my clothes. I kind of knew when he wanted me to take off my clothes or whatever. So as soon as I started, like five minutes into the massage, I started taking off my clothes and I gave him like a 30-minute massage. And then when it was time for him to flip over, instead of him flipping over, he said hold on a second and he walked out of the room, and he came back Page 164 so I kept my underwear on. And still halfway through, 2 he asked me to take my underwear off again. And in the very beginning, 1 just kind of ignored it, acted Ince I 4 didn't hear it. And then when he asked me again, I took 5 them off and, you know, he - at first, 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 But soon after that, like pretty much right after he took his forgers out of me, he ejaculated, Q. So you think = 5? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. And you said A. No, I don't. Q. Any other times stick out in your mind? A. Yeah. There was another time where he actually — I was there by myself and I massaged him, and, I mean he didn't really try to penetrate. It was Page 166 2 even know whatirrname was. She was exotic looking, 1 with some chic, I believe her name — I don't 3 bleached blond hair, green eyes. She — I don't think 4 she spoke English, not much. I remember her telling me 5 she was 19 at the time. He had her come in and at first 6 he -- he had her lay down and he wanted Inc to straddle 7 her, so I straddled her, and then 20 A. Correa, yes. 21 And, you know, I just massaged her the whole 22 time and she was moaning and screaming and getting all 23 wild and crazy, an 12 (Pages 163 to 166 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, Electronically signed by Jeans RIcclutl (601-280428.9381) INC. 248(110444:dbf-4190.143-60.9.76rid35 EFTA01076080 Page 167 Page 169 1 A. Correct. 2 Q. Okay. 3 A. And it was obvious she was definitely 4 climaxing or going to climax or whatever, and finally 5 when she was — she obviously did climax, I mean, you 6 know, !don't know, and I got off— I got off of her 7 and she went into the shower or in the sauna. And after 8 she went into the sauna and shut the door and sat on the 9 thing, he looked at me and he said, in a couple of 10 minutes, she's going to realize what happened or 11 something about either she is going to realize what 12 happened or -- something about she is going to realize 13 what happened and she is not going to believe it. 1 14 don't remember the exact words that were said, but it 15 was like, she's going to come to, you know -- what's the 16 word — reality in a little bit She is going to 17 realize what happened. He kind of laughed about it and 18 then he gave me a high five. I was like, you 'mow -- 19 then — 20 Q. Meaning that she was on drugs or that that was 21 such an overwhelming experience or pleasure for her? 22 A. I'm assuming it was such a wonderful pleasure 23 for her. 24 Q. Okay. 25 A. That's how it sounded more so to me. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 168 1 Q. Thank you for clarifying that because that 1 2 could go either way. 3 A. Right, okay. 4 And there was another time. Do you want me to 5 tell you about that? 6 Q. I just have a quick question because 1 asked 6 7 earlier what your preference was, and you said men. 7 8 Have you ever had any other experiences with a woman 8 9 before? 9 10 A. No. 10 11 Q. So this was the first — was this the only 11. 12 time you were with or were there other times you 12 13 were with her? 13 14 A. No, that was the only time with her. 15 Q. And any other experiences afterwards with any 16 other woman? 17 A. No. 18 Q. No? Okay. 19 So please go on 19 20 A. Then there was another occasion where this 20 21 was — this was before that happened with the — that 21 22 girl. 22 23 Q. Okay. 23 24 A. But I gave the massage, he flipped over, 1 24 25 stood on the side of him like always, and he did ask me 25 f people. Q. Okay. And was this -- A. And he knew about it I went to his house probably about two or three days after that, Page 170 Q. Was this e at a c A. No, this was a house party. Q. How old were you when this happened? A. Probably close to 17. Q. Okay. And was there and I'm assuming fighting with you, not against you? A. Yeah. She wasrft — she was trying to help out. Q. was 1 over? A. Who knows. I don't even really know how it escalated and how it started, honestly. Q. Were the police ever called? A. No. Weird enough, no. And they should have been, definitely. Q. Ok ... alyid you have any problems afterwards? 13 (Pages 167 to 170) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Ricciuti (601-280.428.9381) 2A8de044-bdbf4fa0414340a9a75ffd35 EFTA01076081 Page 171 1 I mean, sometimes when people are attacked like that, 2 they have issues. 3 A. No. 4 Q. No? Okay. 5 So again, I apologize. Missing half your he asked for 1 9 10 11 12 13 14 23 24 25 Q. And did he ever ask you to get high before you came over, or was that something you just did on your own? A. That's something I did on my own. He never asked me to be hi • or 'n like that. Q. So just so I understand in terms of the experiences you had, there was the massaging him and pinching his nipples. You did touch him at one time to 1 2 3 4 S S Page 172 A. No. Q. No? Okay. He would masturbate, though, in front of You — A. Correct 7 Q. - with the towel off? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. And then he would ask you to look him in the 10 eyes when he was doing it? 11 A. Right. Well, he never really asked me to look 12 in his eyes, but he liked to make eye contact. It 13 seemed like every time be would, you know, get off, it 14 was when we were making eye contact and he thought he 15 was pleasuring me, which most of the time --all the 16 time I was acting. 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Page 1 2 Q. Let me jump back a little bit here and just 3 kind of ask you about some of the anxiety and things 4 like that. 5 A. Okay. 6 Q. Actually, let me start with the depression. 7 We mentioned you had the episode after two of your 8 friends passed away around this year, 2008-ish, 9 2009-ish. 10 A. Uh-huh. 11 Q. Have you ever had any episodes like that 12 before? 13 A. No. 14 Q. No? Okay. 15 So that was the kind of only depressive 16 episode you've had? 17 A. Corned. 18 Q. And if I remember correctly, you said your 19 sleep was problematic? 20 A. Yeah. 21 Q. Okay. Your interests had decreased? 22 A. Uh-huh. 23 Q. You were experiencing some guilt in the notion 24 of if I had been there with him more, and - 25 A. Now we're talking about my friends that are 14 (Pages 171 to 174) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Medan (601.280-428.9381) 2Ailds044-bdbf-afa0-9143-50e9a76ffd35 EFTA01076082 Page 175 Page 177 9 10 11 12 13 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 1 deceased9 2 Q. Right. 3 A. Okay. 'just wanted to make sure we were not 4 talking about Jeffrey Epstein. 5 Q. No. We were talking about the depression you 6 had in 2008/2009. 7 A. Okay. 8 Q. You felt your energy was lower than usual? 9 A. Correct. 10 Q. Your concentration, had that changed at all? 11 A. Yeah. I had a lack of concentration. 12 Q. Okay. Can you give me an example of how you 13 had that? 14 A. I just felt numb as if l wasn't — I couldn't 15 think at all. 16 Q. Okay. Were you still able to like read a 17 newspaper article and understand it or watch a sitcom 18 and keep track of who the characters were? 19 A. Yeah. 20 Q. So you weren't as sharp as usual, but you 21 could function if you needed to? 22 A. Correct. 23 Q. Okay. And appetite, you said it decreased? 24 A. Right. Yes, I lost weight. 25 Q. Okay. And did you ever have any periods where 1 agree with that. 2 Q. Well, I meant the ones you've dated and your 3 friends as well at the same time. 4 A. Right. 5 Q. Okay. And then the anxiety, you said is -- 6 comes in discreet periods? 7 A. Right And this anxiety, and I mean all my 8 post traumatic -- every symptom, I wish I would have 9 brought the paper to show you from my therapist 10 Q. It would be — 11 A. - it would have been definitely nice to have 12 that, but I mean this was April of two or three years 13 ago before any of this happened with any of my friends 14 that she diagnosed me with all of those problems with 15 post traumatic stress disorder and, you know, the 16 flashbacks and the anxiety. So I don't know what she 17 really... 18 Q. Okay. Let me try and go through a few things 19 here. Now, do you think the panic periods you were 20 having are separate from or related to the post 21 traumatic stress? 22 A. No, I definitely think it's related. 23 Q. Okay. And why do you think ifs related? 24 A. Because a lot of times if Pm if I'm 25 watching the news or even watching the Simpsons, which Page 176 1 you felt physically, like you couldn't move as fast as 2 you used to or your thoughts felt slower than usual or 3 people commented that you were talking slower than usual? A. No. I mean, every period I feel like, you know, crap SO... Q. And no thoughts of suicide? A. No. Q. And that lasted for two months? A. Give or take. Q. Give or take, okay. Now, you just mentioned your menstrual cycle. 'tries of menses is — A. Yeah, I'm crazy, just probably like any other women. Q. Okay. So you do have a little more emotionality, but you don't think it's any more severe or any less severe than the average woman? A. Right, exactly. Q. Maybe it's an unfair question, but do you think your boyfriends would agree with that? 25 A. Yeah. I have a couple of friends that would Page 178 1 you know — 2 Q. Everybody likes the Simpsons, so - 3 A. And Jeffrey. Jeffrey knew people well, he 4 didn't like the Simpsons. lie know the guy who did the 5 voices or whatever, and he talked to me about that, and 6 we had a whole blown discussion — he didn't know who 7 the Simpsons were. I was the one that said, well, who 8 are you talking about, Bart and Maggie? He was like, 9 yeah, you know. So ifs like sometimes I'll be sitting 10 there at home and I'm watching the news and the Simpsons 11 come on and Pm like I just start thinking of Jeffrey 12 and it's almost like I get mad, sad, anxiety. Then I 13 feel kind of like dirty towards myself. It's just a 14 combination of things. 15 Q. Okay. Has there ever been a period of time 16 when you weren't able to work due to your symptoms? 17 A. Yeah. 18 Q. When was that? 19 A. That was when I worked at The Bagel Shop. 20 That's when it was kind of the most — that's when 21 realty a lot of the flashbacks would come because, like 22 I said, there would be a lot of older Jewish guys that 23 resembled him a lot Even my own uncle, my Uncle. 24 resembles him a lot, and it was very, very awkward 25 because I hadn't Seta him since I was six, so seeing my 15 (Pages 175 to 178) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Ricciuti (801.280.428-9381) 248c1.044.bdbf-Ma0.9143-60a9a7M35 EFTA01076083 Page 179 1 Uncle and being older and him looking almost like 2 Jeffrey Epstein was like it like disgusted me. I felt 3 like I coultket look at my own uncle in the face and I 4 couldn't tell him why, you know. 5 Q. Did you actually miss days or was it like I 6 need two or three minutes here? 7 A. No. It was I think I needed to take a break 8 for a little bit, if you could have somebody cover my 9 shifts. 10 Q. I'm sorry, shifts meaning four or five hour 11 periods of time, or do you mean just cover this table 12 for ten minutes? 13 A. No. Like I'm going to take today off, and if 14 you could have cover my shifts or work for me 15 today, I'd greatly appreciate it. 16 Q. How often did that occur? 17 A. Probably like two, three times a month. 18 Q. And were you — did you ever lose your job for 19 taking that much time off? 20 A. I had a very open relationship with the 21 manager. I had worked with her prior at another 22 restaurant, and she knew that my work ethics were good, 23 that Pm not a slacker, I don't, you know -- she knew my 24 work ethics. So when, you know, I tried talking to her 25 and telling her, you know, I'm having a little bit of a Page 181 1 Q. Any issues with being more easily startled? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. When did that start? 4 A. Probably a lot of my emotions started when, 5 you know, i dated El and I got sober because being on 6 drugs, you have no emotion and you're numb, so not only 7 to the world, but to your feelings and to who you are. 8 So I believe when, you know, l stopped using, I — 9 that's when all these emotions started coming out, 10 really, all at once. 11 Q. Can you give me an example of how you would 12 have a startled response? 13 A. I mean, I don't know, I'm just very easily -- 14 I just get easily slanted. I can't really give you an 15 example of it right now. 16 Q. Okay. How much caffeinated beverages do you 17 drink? I forgot to ask you that. 18 A. Actually, I probably drink a cup, two cups of 19 coffee in the morning. And honestly, I don't drink 20 soda. I drink a lot of water. 21 Q. Any Red Bull or energy drinks or... 22 A. No. 23 Q. Okay. Do you see things there are kind of 24 two kinds of phenomenon. One thing is called a panic 25 attack, and you described some symptoms which sounds Page 180 1 problem here, you know, I don't really want to go into detail, she didn't really ask much questions. So no, 1 3 wasn't in fear of my job being in any... Q. And would you avoid anything or people that 5 reminded you of him? 6 A. Yes. Q. What would you avoid? 8 A. Just somebody that looked like him. The guy, 9 Leo, I told you about, I would always avoid him because 10 he kind of talked like him. 11 Q. Okay. Did you ever think of just leaving The 12 Bagel Shop then if it was -- 13 A. Yeah, but when you're making $150 a day just, 14 you know, slinging eggs, pretty much, you know, you 15 don't want to lose your job for -- i mean, and it goes 16 as far as The Bagel Shop, too. I don't even use Bath & 1? Body Works lotion. I don't even step into Bath & Body 18 Works anymore just for the simple fact of that smell 19 reminds me of him. Like, there's many things. It's 20 just not —1'm just using The Bagel Shop as a very good 21 example because that's — 22 Q. I appreciate that. I'm actually writing that 23 down, Bath & Body Works. 24 Any issues with nightmares? 25 A. No, not really. Page 182 1 similar to a panic attack. Do you ever have times where 2 you will have your heart rate increase or breathing or 3 feeling flush or things like that that isn't a full 4 blown panic attack? S A. i don't know what you mean by that. 6 Q. Okay, so if you saw the Simpsons, would you 7 just have your heart rate go up but not get the sweaty 8 palms, the choking, the trouble talking — 9 A. Right. Yeah, no. I mean, not necessarily 10 every time I think about him or every time that there is 11. something that reminds me of him, it's not every time i 12 think of him I don't feel Lice that but for the most 13 pact, I do. 14 Q. My trouble with sleep? 15 A. Not really. i mean, on occasion I'll have 16 . hke — I can't fall asleep hem and there but I think 17 that's normal for everybody once in a while. 18 Q. Okay. Have you ever had panic attacks when 19 there wasn't something that reminded you of him, just in 20 general? 21 A. Yeah, i guess I have. 22 Q. Can you give me an example of when that 23 happens? 24 A. Really, like I guess, for example, I threw my 25 girlfriend a bachelorette party not too long ago, like PROSE COURT REPORTING Electronically signed by Jeana Rlcciuti (601.280428.9381) 16 (Pages 179 to 182) AGENCY, INC. 248de044-bdbf-4(80-91434099976f(d36 EFTA01076084 Page 183 1 on September 15th or something like that, and before 2 everybody was coining to arrive, I had a surprise limo 3 for her and stuff like that. I was waiting for 4 everybody to come and it was getting close to the time 5 and I was kind of freaking out a linle bit. I felt 6 like that. My hands were sweating and my heart was 7 racing and stuff like that So that's an example of one 8 time. 9 Q. Bachelorette is one word I can never spell 10 right. 11 When we were talking about the reliving, have 12 you ever had a period of lime where you felt as if it 13 was happening again? I mean, down to I physically feel 14 like I'm there right this minute, right now, the smells, 15 the touch, the feeling, everything feels like that 16 versus I'm just having a remembrance of it? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Okay. And that would be which time? 19 A. There's been times where after I had that 20 procedure with the molar pregnancy, after that happened, 21 me and =really weren't having a lot of sex because 22 1 was honestly very scared of getting pregnant because 23 we were using protection and it didn't work before, so I 24 was really nervous. 25 And there was one time where he was, you know, Page 185 1 number at the time? 2 A. No, ifs pretty -- it's maintained, definitely 3 ifs the same. It hasn't gotten any better. Maybe if I 4 was financially able to go see a doctor to be provided 5 meds of some sort to help whatever issues that Pm going 6 through, then maybe it would be better right now, but I 7 just haven't had a chance to - 8 Q. And your therapist has suggested which 9 medicines? 10 A. She has not suggested any meds. She has just 11 written out my symptoms and what she has taken in from 12 it and wrote it down on a piece of paper and told me to 13 see a doctor. But the doctor she recommended me to is 14 very expensive so... 15 Q. And who did she recommend you to? 16 A. I don't remember the name offhand. 17 Q. Have you looked up any of these things on the 18 Internet? 19 A. Looked up mire? 20 Q. Blood pressure, post traumatic stress 21 disorders, you said you've been diagnosed with that. 22 Have you looked any of that up? 23 A. I believe it means it's due to a traumatic 24 event that's happened in your life prior. 25 Q. Okay. Page 184 trying to be romantic or whatever and he lit candles and 2 stuff like that and he was massaging me and I just -- I 3 closed my eyes and, I mean, it just — I told -- I felt 4 like I was totally reliving -- Ince, when I closed my 5 eyes, !felt like -- you know, he was trying to be 6 sexual as well so he was touching me and everything else 7 just like any man and female that are together would. 3 As he was massaging me and it just definitely, 9 definitely freaked me out to the point where I was 10 crying and told him to stop and I had to explain to him 11 after I took a shower and gathered myself, I had to 12 explain to him what happened. 13 Q. Any change with the symptoms or frequency over 14 time? 15 A. What do you mean? 16 Q. Meaning, like, you said the times with • 17 when you stopped using the drugs was particularly 18 emotional for you. That was about two or three years 19 ago? 20 A. Right. 21 Q. Is it still as bad as when you first stopped 22 the drugs as it is now? 23 A. Oh, definitely. 24 Q. There's not been any change in the frequency 25 or rate or number of panic attacks you've had or the Page 186 1 A. That's what I got out of it 2 Q. Yeah, but have you looked up what the symptoms 3 are, what the time course is or what the treatments are 4 for? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Why not? 7 A. lust because I have faith in my therapist and 8 I trust her word, and if that's what she believes is 9 wrong with me, I trust her on it. 10 Q. Okay. Now, when you had the molar pregnancy, 11 did you look up anything about that? 12 A Definitely. 13 Q. Okay. So why look up that one but not this 14 one? 15 A. Well, only because I had — if my therapist 16 wrote it out saying, hey, this is what you have and, you 17 know, whatever, and I just confided in her. She she 18 went over — she went over it with me and I'm sure 19 that's probably who — ! don't — I mean, I didn't look 20 it up only because I kind of figured that's what it was, 21. I guess, I don't )(now. But I looked up the molar 22 because that's my body and everything else. I'm not 23 saying that that's not my body, but I don't !mow how to 24 explain it. 25 Q. Okay. Do you have any problems remembering OPOPOWSSZ....0. 5SKIIL-C1103.174kCJ.A:JY1•44•4-0a .)61.a0,...`11..•3 17 (Pages 183 to 186) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jean. RIcelutl (0014804264381) 24565014.1bdbtafa0-9143-50a9a765:136 EFTA01076085 Page 187 1 anything that happened while you were there? 2 A. Yes, I do. 3 Q. What? Can you give me an example of that? 4 A. I remember — I forgot a lot of the girls I 5 brought. I'm sure after I leave here, there's going to 6 be things that i forgot to tell you. It happens with me 7 and my lawyer all the time. 8 Q. Why do you think you forget filings -- 9 A. I don't know. 10 Q. Is that just kind of normal forgetting it was 11 six years ago and it was just a person — 12 A. Well, it's definitely something i tried to 13 block out of my life. 14 Q. Okay. So you've tried to intentionally not 15 think about it? 16 A. And forget about it. 17 Q. Okay. Any issues with irritability or anger? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Can you give me an example? 20 A. I have a very short tempered. 21 Q. Okay. Have you always been that way or is 22 that a new change? 23 A. I've been that way for quite a while. 24 Q. I mean, like a girl were you that way? 25 A. Huh? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 189 people not washing their hands, but i think that might be nonnal, Pm not sure. i don't think I'm OCD or anything like that. Q. Okay. So no rituals or things you have to engage in before you have to leave the house? A. No. Q. No patterns, tapping, counting in your head, gennophobia, any phobias? A. Not really. Q. Okay. Have you ever been in a psychiatric hospital? A. Yes. Q. When was that? A. I was probably maybe 17. Q. And what led you to being admitted? A. Honestly, I'm not --1 believe I'm not really sae what it was about. I think -- I'm not really sure why - why even, why I was even there. Q. Okay. Do you know what your diagnosis was? A. I really don't know. I could have been a little bit younger. I could have been 16. Q. Okay. And did they treat you with any medications while you were there? A. They might have. it was in Fort Lauderdale. I really -- honestly, i really don't even remember what Page 188 1 Q. Like a girl were you that way when you were, 2 like, ten? 3 A. No, I probably started being really crazy when 4 I was like 16. 5 Q. What do you mean by really crazy? 6 A. Not really crazy, but I just — I didn't 7 really tolerate anybody disrespecting me or if I thought 8 1 was being disrespected or talked down to or anything 9 like that, I just really don't tolerate it. Still to 10 this day, I won't stand for it. 11 Q. Okay. And do you think that's related to 12 Jeffrey or do you think that's the same way you would 13 have been anyway? 14 A. I believe it's a little bit of both. 15 Q. Okay. Do you have any periods where you've 16 hallucinated? 17 A. On a period hallucinating? 18 Q. No, periods of time where you hallucinated. 19 A. Oh, okay. Sony, I misunderstood that 20 Not seeing stuff that wasn't there or nothing 21 like that, no. 22 Q. Have you ever heard things or any issues with 23 like OCD? Are you familiar with that term? 24 A. Yes, I definitely — yes, I do. I found here 25 and there, i have certain things that do bother me, like Page 190 1 it was about. 2 Q. And do you remember the name of the place? 3 A. No. 1 could try to find out. 4 Q. Okay. Were you voluntarily committed or 5 involuntarily committed? 6 A. I don't remember, honestly. I really don't. 7 Q. Okay. Do you blow what a Baker Act is or a 8 Marchman Act? 9 A. Yes, I do. 10 Q. Were you ever Baker Acted — 11 A. You loam what, I think that's exactly what it 12 was, is that I — when I got out of CARP and I was doing 13 that, l still -- I slatted using again, and my brother, 14 my brother -- brother's girlfriend was pregnant at the 15 time, and he told me she was having difficulties with 16 the pregnancy and then he took me to St. Mays, and I 17 got out and they took me to like the ward part of it and 18 they admitted me and then they took me from there to 19 Fort Lauderdale is what happened. 20 Q. Okay. 21 A. That's exactly what happened. i... 22 Q. So you think you were Baker Acted then or 23 Madman Acted? It's a little different. 24 A. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. 25 Q. You just know it was one of those two? 18 (Pages 187 to 190) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Facelift, (601.280.128.9381) 2413cto044-bdbf4ta0-9143-50a9a7Mtd35 EFTA01076086 Page 191 Page 193 1 A. It could have been, I don't know. 2 Q. Fair enough. 3 A. I do not 4 Q. put down not sure if. 5 A. Yeah. 6 Q. How long were you in for? 7 A. I think for like a week. 8 Q. Any problems or any complications while you 9 were there? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Ever try to commit suicide? 12 A. No. 13 Q. Any accidental overdoses, intentional 14 overdoses, cutting behavior? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Ever burn yourself with cigarettes or things 17 like that? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Ever feel like you need to be punished? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Okay. Any difficulties with memories, 22 especially first thing in the morning? 23 A. I have difficulty with memory, not necessarily 24 first thing in the morning. 25 Q. What do you think your memory difficulties 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 :1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Sometimes. Q. Constantly? A- Constantly. Q. And when you have those experiences, were you using substances? A. No. Q. Okay. And what were you usually thinking of during those times? A. Just evaytbing. My — my rent is due, this is due, my — I've got to take my dog to the vet, I've got to fix my car, I need new tires. I guess life, I don't know, in general. Q. But ifs racing? A. Racing. Q. Racing? Okay. Periods of grandiosity where you feel extra good, I'm going to be rich, I'm going to be famous, Ern going to control the world? A. Yeah, oh-huh. Q. And how long does that last for? A. Sometimes — I mean, sometimes I feel like that a lot and other times I don't, so... Q. A week, two weeks, a month? A. Maybe a week, I would say. Q. And you have that at the same time that you Page 192 1 are? 2 A. A lot of my childhood, a lot of my past 3 Q. Are there other pans of your life that you're intentionally trying to forget? A. I mean, other than my mother being an addict, 6 no. 7 Q. I wrote on the back of a blank sheet there. 8 It never fails. It never fails. 9 Have you ever bad the opposite of depression 10 where you felt really, really good, maybe too good? 11 A. No. I feel normal. 12 Q. Have you ever tented faster than usual? 13 A. Sometimes. 14 Q. How long did that last for? 15 A. Until I notice I'm talking a lot and fast. 16 Q. Ever have periods where you need less sleep? 17 A. No. I normally get the same try to get the 18 same amount of hours of sleep. 19 Q. Any periods where your thoughts are going 20 faster than usual or racing? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. How long does that last for? 23 A. It varies. Maybe it's an hots, sometimes two 24 hours, sometimes it could be off and on all day. 25 Q. Kind of like three or four dals at a time? Page 194 1 have the racing thoughts? 2 A. No, not generally. Normally, when I have 3 racing thoughts like that, I get stressed out. 4 Q. Okay. So the racing thoughts arc more 5 associated with the anxiety? 6 A. Probably, if that's what that means. I 7 don't... 8 Q. I mean, when you have them, it's periods where 9 you feel anxious versus periods where you feel good and 10 you're on top of the world. 11 A. Right. 12 Q. Okay. Ever spend more money than you should? 13 A. Yep. 14 Q. How often do you do that? 15 A. A lot. 16 Q. When you do it, do you buy things you need or 17 don't need? 18 A. A little bit of both. Most of the time I 19 spend out of my means, it's stuff I don't need, I can go 20 without. 21 Q. Kind of intentionally or just I saw 40 shoes I 22 liked so I picked up 40 pairs of shoes? 23 A. It's not outrageous like 40 pairs of shoes but 24 it's I picked up something I liked. 2 5 Q. How often does that happen? 19 (Pages 191 to 194) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana RIcclutt (601.280428-9381) 2484:14044-bdbf4fa0-9143-6099a76ffd35 EFTA01076087 Page 195 I A. Most of the time when I go shopping. 2 Q. Have you always been that way or are there 3 periods where ifs — 4 A. No, I've kind of always been that way. 5 Q. Okay. Do you have any thoughts or beliefs that others think are strange or tmusual? A. Not to my knowledge. 8 Q. Any concerns that somebody is out to get you 9 or harm you? 10 A. No, not really. I mean, when this whole 11 Jeffrey Epstein thing first went down and I found out he 12 was getting out and everything else, l was kind of 13 paranoid. I'm not saying that he ever threatened me or 14 anything like that, but he -- when I found out how 15 powerful of a man he was, that's very definitely 16 intimidating, you know. 17 Q. Around what point did you find that out? 18 A. As soon as it was on the news, 19 multi-billionaire, Jeffrey Epstein, so... 20 g Oka . Do you have any tattoos? 21 A. Page 197 14 Q. How is your mood right now? 15 A. Tired. 16 Q. On a scale from one to ten, with five being 17 normal, one being the most depressed you could ever 18 imagine, ten being the best you ever felt, maybe too 19 good, where would you say you fall? 20 A. I would say probably a four. 21 Q. And when you were in the midst of that 22 two-month depressive episode, how low was your mood? 23 A. I was -- 'would probably say I was pretty 24 depressed, so... 25 Are you talking about when T lost my friends? 3 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 Page 196 Q. Does that say believe, or — A. Yes, believe. Q. Any particular reason why you wore long sleeves today? A. No. Q. Okay. So no cuts or scars or things like that? A. No, I don't do any of that. I'm not shooting up or anything like that on my spare time. I'm just kidding. Q. No, that's actually what I was curious about, so thank you. A. No problem. Q. An other tattoos? A. Page 198 1 Q. Yes, when you lost your friends. 2 A. Yeah, I was depressed. So it was probably 3 lam a one or two. 4 Q. How is your anxiety right now on a one to ten 5 scale, one being no anxiety, ten being the worst anxiety 6 you could imagine? 7 A. I would say in the beginning it was probably 8 like a six, seven. Right now, it's like a four. 9 Q. Okay. And on an average week, what would you 10 say your kind of average anxiety was? 11 A. I always have a little bit of anxiety in me, 12 so I would say like a five. 13 Q. Okay. What do you think the average person on 14 the street has? 15 A. I don't know. 16 Q. What are you usually anxious about? 17 A. Really, little things trigger it, and 18 honestly, it doesn't make much sense to me. Sometimes 19 I'll get anxiety when I'm not doing anything and there 20 is really nothing to even trigger it. 21 Q. Okay. And you worry about a lot of different 22 things? 23 A. Yeah. My mind — mymind does race from the 24 most part of — I do have a lot of trouble with that, my 25 mind racing. 20 (Pages 195 to 198) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Medial (601.280-428-9381) 248(10444-bdbf-Ma0-9143-50a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076088 Page 199 1 Q. Okay. And do you ever intentionally not go 2 out because you're worried about having anxiety or an 3 episode? 4 A. Yes, uh-huh. 5 Q. Okay. Any concerns that people can put 6 thoughts into your head, take thoughts out of your head? 7 A. No. 8 Q. Ever get special messages from the television 9 or see things or hear things that people don't see or 10 hear? 11 A. No. 12 Q. Okay. Can you tell me where you are? 13 A. Right now? 14 Q. Uk-huh. 15 A. I'm in West Palm Beach, Florida. 16 Q. Okay. Do you know the county? 17 A. I'm in West Palm Beach County or Palm Beach 18 County. 19 Q. Okay. Do you know what floor you're on? 20 A. The floor? 21 Q. Uh-huh. 22 A. 15. 23 Q. Do you know the name of the building or what 24 type of building this is? 25 A. I know it says Paychex outside. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 201 Can you spell the word "world" for me? A. W-O-R-L-D. Q. Can you spell that backwards? A. Dt-R-O-W. Q. This is a... A. Pen. Q. These are? A. Glasses. Q. Can you repeat the following phrase, please: No ifs, ands or buts. A. No ifs, ands or buts. Q. Okay. Can you take this sheet of paper in your right hand, fold it in half and set it on the floor on your left hand side? A. (Complying.) ' Q. Okay. Do you remember those three words? A. Yes. Q. What are they? A. Penny, dog and blue. Q. All right. Can you read that to yourself and do as it says? A. Read it to myself and what? Q. And do as it says. A. (ComPlYin&) Q. Thank you. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 200 Q. Okay. And what's today's date? A. 11/11/09. Q. Okay. And the season? A. It's fall. Q. Okay. And the day of the week? A. It is Wednesday. Q. Okay. Can you remember three words for me: Penny, dog and blue? A. Uh-huh. Q. Can you repeat those back? A. Penny, dog and blue. Q. Okay, good. Remember those and I'll ask you for those again later, all right? A. Okay. Q. Next one is a bit harder, just give me your best shot. Can you count backwards from 100 in sets of sevens? A. No, I can't. I'm not even going to try to do it. Q. Please give it a shot. A. Really? Q. Yeah. A. Oh, okay. 93 — 93, 86, 79, 72,65... Q. Thank you. That's good. Everybody has the same reaction whenever you say it. Page 202 1 Can you copy that design forme? 2 A. Both of them? 3 Q. Uh-huh. 4 A. Well, I thought I would be a little better 5 than that, sorry. 6 Q. That's not bad. 7 Copy this as well, please. Anything you'd 8 like. 'And it's how are you today? 9 A. (Complying.) 10 Q. Okay, good. How is a boat and a bicycle 11 similar? 12 A. They have two Bs in the same word. 13 Q. Okay. And an apple and an orange? 14 A. 'Fruit. 15 Q. Okay. A mouse and a tree? 16 A. How are they similar? 17 Q. Uh-huh. 18 A. A mouse and a tree? 19 Q. Uh-huh. 20 A. 1 have no idea. 21 Q. Can you name the presidents going backwards, 22 please? 23 A. The what? 24 Q. The presidents of the United States, can you 25 name them backward? 21 (Pages 199 to 202.) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Moduli (601.280-428.9381) 248O044-bdbf-4fa0-9143-60a9a76ffd36 EFTA01076089 Page 203 1 A. From right now to — I know Obama, Bush, =di 2 believe Clinton, and then I don't really know before 3 that. 4 Q. Which — which Bush? 5 A. George W. Bush. 6 Q Okay. 7 A. No, is that — wait. Well, George Bush, the 8 younger Bush, not the older Bush. 9 Q. Okay. So W is which Bush? 10 A. I believe the younger Bush. 11 Q. Okay. 12 A. That's my final answer. 13 Q. Can you name the five Great Lakes? 14 A. No, I can't. Lake Osborne. No, not Lake 15 Osborne. Is Lake Ida one of them? No? Okay, so no, 16 can't. 17 Q. Can you name five United States cities? 18 A. Cities? 19 Q. Uh-huh. 20 A. I'm not really good at any of this honestly, 21 no. 22 Q. You can't think of five cities in America? 23 A. Yeah, Pm sure I could, but for some reason, I 24 don't know. I don't know right now. I feel stupid 25 after the lake question. I don't know. I do know what Page 205 1 teeth, eat breakfast, get ready, go to viol*, you know, 2 make breakfast When I get out of work, I normally try 3 to relax, hang out, clean the house, exercise. 4 Q. What time do you usually go to bed? 5 A. Around 9:00. 6 Q. Okay. And what tinte.do you usually wake up? 7 A. Around 6:30, 7:00. 8 Q. Any particular television shows you like to 9 watch or books to read or — 10 A. Yeah. I like Deal or No Deal, l like that 11 show Dexter, I like the Sopranos, I like Family Guy, I 12 like The Office. 13 Q. Just out of curiosity, what age did you first 14 see your first R-rated movie? 15 A. Honestly, I'm not sure. 16 Q. Okay. Have you ever seen a pornographic 17 movie? 18 A. Yes, I have. 19 Q. How old were you when that happened? 20 A. I was probably 15, 16. 21 Q. Okay. How did that happen? 22 A. Actually, I was in front of my ex's car. He 23 had TVs all in it and had big rims, everything else, and 24 he was doing a car — they were doing a car show at the 25 Fairgrounds and he had hydraulics and everything else Page 204 1 you're talking about but I can't remember what they are. 2 Q. Okay. Can you tell me something that's going 3 ota in the news right now? 1 A. Yeah, a little boy — two people left their 5 little seven month year old baby in the back seat of the 6 car yesterday in Juno Beach. 7 Q. Okay. Is the United States currently at war 8 anywhere? 9 A. I believe so. I'm not sure where. 10 Q. Okay. You're not sure where the US hes troops 11 right now? 12 A. No. 13 Q. Do you watch the news? 14 A. Yeah. 'just seen something about Barrack 15 Obama was somewhere paying respects for something, bin 16 I'm not sure what. 17 Q. Okay. Can you listen to the numbers I'm 18 giving you, repeat them forward and then repeat them to 19 me backwards. 6, 8, 5,2, 7. 20 A. 6, 8,5,2, 7. 21 Q. Okay. 22 A. 7, 5, 8 — I can't even remember. 23 Q. Okay. All right. So what do you do on a 24 typical day? 25 A. Normally, I wake up, take a shower, brush my 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 206 and he put porn on while he was showing off his hot ride. Q. Okay. Was it kind of a standard fair or was it anything special? A. As far as I know now, it seemed pretty standard. Q. Were you shocked at the time or... A. Not really. Q. And how are you with cleaning? Are you able to keep up with household cleaning? A. Definitely. My house is clean. Q. Shopping? A. I like to shop. I shop. Q. But you can get groceries and food in the house — A. Oh, yeah, definitely. . Q. Cooking? A. Cooking, yep, I can do that. Q. How about taking public transportation'? A. MI can do that, no problem. Q. And going out of the house in general? A. Not really an issue. Q. How about traveling? . A. I'm fine with it. Q. ...ammairm a rsca ====== 22 (Pages 203 to 206) Payi bill PROSE COURT Bectronically signed by Jeana Rioting (601.28028-9381) REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 248de044-bdbf-4ta0-9143-50a9a7Mfd35 EFTA01076090 Page 207 Page 209 A. Good. 2 Q. So you haven't missed payments or anything — 3 A. I'm sure I've missed — yeah, I've missed 4 payments and stuff like that but, you know, either the 5 only time I normally miss payments is if A) I sometimes 6 forget to mail it out or B) I'm just financially behind. 7 Q. Okay. So it has happened but not a common 8 every month thing? 9 A. No, no. 10 Q. Do you maintain your residence? I mean, I 11. guess the apartment you're in with your friend, are you 12 able to do simple repairs on it if you need to? 13 A. Lace, change a light bulb? 14 Q. Like, change the light bulb or change the air 15 filter if you need to. 16 A. Yeah, uh-huh. 17 Q. Caring for yourself, are you able to wash your 18 hair, groom, brush your teeth — 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Okay. And sleep, you said you were sleeping 21 well? 22 A. Yeah. 23 Q. Can you use a telephone directory or the 24 Internet if you needed to? 25 A. Yeah. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 this? A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. 1.1h-uh. And any problems with friends? (Non-verbal response.) How many friends do you have? As in close — Uh-huh. — friends? Three. Who are those? Dais III, and her name is MI M, (phonetic). Q. Do you still see any of the girls from the Epstein days? A. Yeah. You could put down M, too. She's a good friend of mine. Q. Any trouble interacting with neighbors? A. No. Q. Grocery store clerks? A. (Non-verbal response.) Q. Landlord? A. (Non-verbal response.) Q. Bus driver? A. (Non-verbal response.) Q. Public? A. (Non-verbal response.) 1 2 3 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Page 208 Q. Can you go to the Post Office if you need to? A. Uh-huh. Q. Oka . An 'roblems with sexual function A Q. Okay. But with your boyfriend, you're satisfied? A. Yeah. Q. A trusting relationship there, you're comfortable with? A. Definitely, uh-huh. Q. Social activities, any problems? A. No. Q. My trouble with recreation? A. No. Q. Do you do anything to relax, have fun? A. Right, no. Q. Any problems interacting with family members? A. Uh-uh, besides my Uncle. who is kind of a 24 problem right now. I'm still trying to get over that. 25 Q. Did you ever have any trouble witljabefore Page 210 1 Q. Co-workers? 2 A. I'm pretty good. No. 3 Q. In general, how is your attention? 4 A. I'm sorry? 5 Q. How is your attention? Are you able to 6 concentrate when you need to? 7 A. Sometimes — 8 focus? 9 A. I've had difficulty with totally focusing on 10 something. 11 Q. And how is your concentration? 12 A. Ifs not very good. I have poor 13 concentration, I think. 14 Q. Is that in all situations or seine areas more )5 than others? 16 A. I think it's maybe more in some areas than 17 others but it's overall, like, I just have problems with 18 concentration a lot. 19 Q. Okay. And again, we talked about being able 20 to watch a sitcom and things lice that. Can you watch a 21 two-hour movie? 22 A. Yeah. 23 Q. How are you with persistence? 24 A. I'm sorry, persistence, as in maintaining or 25 keeping up? 23 (Pages 207 to 210) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Ricciuti (601-280-428.9381) 248de044.bdbf-4fa04143-60a9a76fId36 EFTA01076091 Page 211 1 Q. Keeping up, keeping at it, you know, if you're 2 having trouble getting back on track. 3 A. I'm — I think I'm good overall. I don't have 4 any trouble with it. 5 Q. How about pacing yourself? 6 A. As in? 7 Q. As in you know you've got a long shift, can 8 you maintain a consistent level of energy, or if you're 9 in the ER, can you kind of - 10 A. Yeah,' believe so. 11 Q. Okay. How do you react to stress? 12 A. Not good. 13 Q. What happens? 14 A. Normally,1 lose weight, tired. 15 Q. How are you doing with the current lawsuit? 16 A. What lawsuit? 17 Q. The Epstein lawsuit, is this something that's 18 particularly stressful for you? 19 A. Yes, it is very stressful for you. 20 Q. And is that stressful all the time or just 21. when you have something coming up like this or a 22 deposition? 23 A. No, it's pretty stressful all the time. 24 Q. Why is it all the time? 25 A. Really, only because it's just something that Page 213 1. And I feel like ho's just kind of gotten over 2 on me. And not even gotten over on me but sexually 3 abused me and hurt me in a way that nobody's ever, ever 4 been able to do ever and will never do again. And I 5 don't — it doesn't matter how far, until I'm 80, this 6 will always be carried on my shoulders, no matter if 7 that camera or I'm talking to you or any of this that's 8 going on today or tomorrow, no matter if it's in my past 9 or not, it will ahvays be in my present, and Pll always 10 carry all of this with me. And nothing will ever erase 11 that. And I'll say it again, nothing will ever erase 12 that. 13 Q. When we were talking about it, it didn't sound 14 like it was particularly horrendous when you went 15 through it, but when you discuss it now, you seem much 16 more — 17 A. No. When I was talking about it, 1 was just 18 trying not toga emotional and get upset and be in — 19 and try to give you as many details as possible. But of 20 course it does definitely upset me and it's something 21 that — 22 Q. What about it upset you? 23 A. Every — everything upsets me about the whole 24 situation, why I'm sitting here having to explain every 25 detail of my personal life now because of the actions Page 212 I want to be done I want this to be in the past. I 2 want it to be over with and, you 'mow, allot of the 3 time, like, if I think of, oh, maybe Ill move. Like 4 just recently I was thinking about, you know — because 5 I kind of have to go back and forth and not having a 6 steady place to live, and so before I moved in with my girlfriend, even while I was living there, I was kind of 8 thinking about kind of going to Oregon and stuff lice 9 that, and then I started thinking about this case and if 10 I could go there. Ifs just — it's always, in my mind 11 I always bring this case up no matter if t have 12 something coming up or I have to — you know what I 13 mean? It's something that's definitely in my past and 14 will — it's in my present still because 15 Q. Do you think once this case is over, it will 16 be easier for you to keep the past in the past? 17 A. No, I don't think it will be. 18' Q. Why do you say that? 19 A. Because I don't think that once ifs over, I 20 don't think it's going to take away any of the memories 21 or any of the turmoil or however you want to say, and 22 how — how somebody could just hurt anybody and me, and 23 do and be so premeditatedly sick to take advantage of 24 somebody the way he took advantage of me and who knows 25 who else. Page 214 1 that happened with me and Mr. Epstein that were 2 definitely not right. I'm not saying, you know, 3 I just — its just everything makes me mad about it. I 4 mean, it makes me so mad I'm having a hard time putting 5 it into words. 6 Q. So are you mad at yourself for putting 7 yourself in that position, or... 8 A. Of course. Of course I am. I'm mad at myself 9 for looldng at him as almost a friend at one point. I'm 10 mad at myself for being brainwashed by him. 11 Q. What did he do to brainwash you? 12 A. I mean, well, if I at one point, when this 13 all happened in the very beginning, when the FBI and 14 everybody came up to me, I defended him. I said, oh, 15 no, he's a good guy. He's a good guy. He's a good guy 16 because it was okay what we did. And no, he's not a 17 good guy. 18 Q. Okay. When did that change? 19 A. When did what change? 20 Q. When did he stop being a good guy and went 21 to — 22 A. He always was a bad guy. !just malty didn't 23 want to say It out loud. 24 Q. In your mind, when did you make that switch? 25 • A. That was never a switch. That was always he 24 ( Pages 211 to 214) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciutl(601-280428-9381) 248doC44-bdbf-4fa0-9143-50a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076092 Page 215 1 was never a good guy. 2 Q. No, you just said initially I was defending 3 him and he - 4 A. Right. 5 Q. When in your mind did that switch? 6 A. I was just saying that because I couldn't 7 believe what I was falling into, and I defended him in 8 the beginning not thinking, not because in my mind I 9 thought he was a good guy because, no, I did not think 10 he was a good guy. 11 Q. Then why did you defend him in the beginning? 12 A. Because I mean I just — twos in such shock 13 of everything that had been going on and when I found 14 out who this guy was and what he was — not only what he 15 was doing to me but with millions of girls, like all 16 over the world, it's just — 17 Q. So you were defending hint At what point did 18 you stop defending him? 19 A. As soon as I realized — 20 Q. When did you realize that? What time? Give 21 22 A. 1 talked to — I talked to his federal 23 investigators, and when I felt like they were trying to 24 make this seem like it was okay, what he did to me, 25 that's when I was like, what the fuck. Page 217 don't do that, please stop, please stop and ho didn't 2 stop, and not even about the other girls, but I think of 3 myself and, like, oh, it just disgusts me. 4 Q. How are you with decision making? 5 A. I could be indecisive. 6 Q. Is that something new for you or is that 7 something that you've had for a while? 8 A. No, it's something I've always done. 9 Q. How are you with attendance? 10 A. Good. 11 Q. Maintaining and keeping schedules? 12 A. Good. 13 Q. Task completion? 14 A. Good. 15 Q. Handling criticism? 16 A. I'm sorry? 17 Q. Handling criticism? 18 A. What do you mean by that? What's that? 19 Q. Constructive criticism, somebody at work says, 20 bey, you half-asked — 21 A. Right, right, right. No, no. I take advice 22 well, construction, constructive criticism. 23 Q. Any issues with like rage or -- 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Can you give me an example? I Page 216 1 Q. Well, his federal investigators? He's not the 2 Government. 3 A. Or his investigators, his private 4 investigators, I would say. 5 Q. What time did you say, oh, my gosh, something 6 bad happened to me? 7 A. I said that to them. I said that to his 8 investigators. 9 Q. Okay, treatise you just told me you were 10 defending him when it first happened, and I said -- 11 A. Let's rephrase the defending. 12 Q. Well, no, that's what you said. 13 A. Okay. 14 Q. You said at some point I was defending him and 15 I thought he war my friend, and so you said you -- 16 A. Right. 17 Q. — when all of this was going on, you didn't 18 view it as this evil, awful thing. 19 A. Right. 20 Q. At what point did you say, wait a minute, this 21 was an evil, awful thing? 22 A. When — one of the times was, that I could 23 definitely remember right now, is when I started reading 24 all the public files of what he did to other girls, and 25 I had seen that the one girl that begged him please Page 218 1 A. Of maybe right now when you asked me why I 2 said defending and, like, I don't know why. You know, 3 like that pissed me off instantly. 4 Q. How are you with like road rage? 5 A- I don't really have road rage. 6 Q. Interacting with supervisors? 7 A. Good. 8 Q. Interacting with peers? 9 A. Good. 10 Q. Attitude towards the future? 11 A. Positive. 12 Q. Any kind of additional comments or anything 13 else that you'd like to say? 14 A. (Non-verbal response.) 15 Q. Okay. Just going back and tieing up some 16 loose ends, did anybody ever take pictures of you while 17 you were there? 18 A. Not that I know of. 19 Q. Did you ever recognize anybody's pictures 20 while you were there? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Who — when you went to his house, were you 23 taken there by family or anybody else? 24 A. No, never family. 25 Q. Ever taken by friends? 25 (Pages 215 to 218) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signori by Jeana Rlcciuti (601.280-428.9381) 248S044-bdbf-460-914340a9a7005 EFTA01076093 Page 219 1 A. Yeah, I guess so. 2 Q. And when you went with.., you said a car 3 picked you up? 4 A. Uh-huh. 5 Q. Have you ever worked in the adult 6 entertaimnent industry? We talked about that a little 7 bit Have you ever worked for, like, an escort service? 8 A. No. 9 Q. You ever worked for Think Pink or Palm Beach 10 Escorts or any of those services? 11 A. No. 12 Q. Did you ever advertise'in any adult 13 publications or anything like city magazines, 14 advertising adult services? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Did you ever do any advertising promo shot,, 17 for any of the clubs you worked at? 18 A. Yeah. 19 Q. Which clubs? 20 A. Platinum Gold. 21 Q. Okay. And did they run those ads in the 22 papers? 23 A. Not in — ifs a magazine in the clubs. 24 Q. Do you know the name of the magazine? 25 A. Something entertainment, I'm not really sure. Page 221 1 A. No, not really. I didn't really say anything. 2 Q. Okay. Why were you ashamed? 3 A. Because I was basically prostituting myself to 4 him. 5 Q. Did you know at that time that was illegal or 6 the wrong thing to do? 7 A. At that time, I didn't think I was 8 prostituting myself to him. I wasn't sure what 9 thought, but... 10 Q. So you weren't ashamed at the time then? 11 A. No, I was ashamed. 12 Q. Okay. Help me there because that's almost two 13 contradicting feelings. If you were ashamed, then you 14 knew something was wrong with it. 15 A. I definitely knew it was wrong. 16 Q. Okay. 17 A. I didn't think of myself as a prostitute. Now 18 I do. 19 Q. Okay. But you knew something was wrong at the 20 time? 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. And you kept going back? 23 A. Right And it wasn't even — you know, I just 24 want it on for the record, it wasn't like I kept going 25 back because I, oh, so liked it, oh, so much because it Page 220 1 Q. Did you ever talk to anyone about any of these 2 interactions? I'm sorry — 3 A. What interactions? 4 Q. Did you ever talk with anybody about what 5 happened, any of the other girls that you went to with 6 Epstein or you knew saw Epstein or — 7 A. Have I ever talked with them about it? Q. Did you review what was going on, did you ever 9 compare notes or discuss what happened or... 10 A. Not really. It's not something you really 11 want to talk about. 12 Q. And did you ever talk with M. after she took 13 you? 14 A. Not really. 15 Q. So you never dicomed what happened when you 16 walked out and — 17 A. No. 18 Q. Why not? 19 A. Why? Bacance that's something that I'm 20 definitely ashamed of. I didn't -- I didn't feel great 21 walking out there, so there was nothing really to 22 discuss. 23 Q. Did you say why did you bring here me or I 24 don't want to come back or it was worse than I was 25 expecting? Page 222 1 was just not bad, it was definitely the money that kept 2 me going back. 3 Q. Okay. A few other things I just wanted to 4 clear up and then we'll get into the psych testing and 5 all of that. When we talked earlier, I asked you if you 6 had ever had any other problems with sexual abuse or 7 been sexually abused. Do you remember any other times 8 where there was ever any issues of sexual abuse? 9 A. No. 10 Q. Okay. Now, when I was going through some of 11 the records, there was comments about you being molested 12 by your father when you were 13 A. 3 26 (Pages 219 to 222) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Riccivti (601-280428-9381) 248de044-bdbf-4fa0.9143-60a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076094 Page 223 Page 225 Page 224 1 20 21 22 23 24 25 O. Q. Okay. Because it's actually on two separate sets of records. A. Well, that's crazy because I never said that. I never told the police officer that my step dad kissed me, I've never said anything, so... Q. And again, Pm assuming ifs your stepfather 1 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. • Okay. The records also indicate that you may have had counseling for post traumatic stress disorder from age five to seven. Do you remember ever having that or undergoing that? A. No. Q. Have you ever discussed with your current counselor the issues with your father? A. Yeah, I talked to her about it. Q. Okay. So you raised it with her. Why didn't you raise it with me when I asked you? A. Well, because I've just come to terms to I don't think that anything was done to me, that's why — Q. So you're kind of choosing which symptoms to tell me about, and which not to and what history is or isn't important when I ask the questions? A. No. No, that's not the case at all. I should have — Q. You should have told me? A. I should have told you, but I wasn't — when you asked me the question, that didn't come to my mind or I would have told you. I'm not withholding any information from you. Page 226 1 because ifs somebody — and you said your mother has 2 been with him fora long time.. 3 A. Yeah, with M. That happened with E, but 4 that was never a kiss. 5 Q. He never said something like, this is what 6 your boyfriend is going to do to you some day? 7 A. No. 8 Q. No? Okay. 9 And when I was looking over the CARP words 10 the first time, it said that you left. 11 A. Right. 12 Q. And why did you leave treatment? 13 A. Just for the simple fact that I didn't — 14 that's why the first time I told you I went and then I 15 had went back. The first time, that's why — the first 16 time I went there, I didn't like it and I left — 17 Q. Well, you didn't just leave. They filed a 18 police report about you missing. 19 A. Right. Heft. I did just leave. 20 Q. I mean, that's — I think I asked if you ever 21 left AMA or against advice and things like that. 22 A. What do you mean by against advice? 23 Q. Against medical advice. 24 A. What, somebody telling me, no, don't leave and 25 me leaving anyways? 27 (Pages 223 to 226) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Rieciuti (601-2804284381) 248de044-bdbf-4fa0-914340a9a75ffd35 EFTA01076095 Page 227 Page 229 Q. Yeah. 2 A. Yeah, that did happen. 3 Q. Why did that happen? 4 A. I guess I was rebellious, I don't know. 5 Q. Well, we'll take a little break and then we'll 6 get set up for the standardized test. 7 A. Okay. 3 (A brief recess was taken.) 9 BY DR. HALL: 10 Q. This is the Long Access Inventory 3. It's a 11 standardized test. Its similar to the SATs. Again, 12 just read the instructions here to you. If you 13 have any questions, let me know. 14 A. Okay. 15 Q. The following pages contain a list of 16 statements that people use to describe themselves. They 17 are printed here to help you in describing your feelings 18 and attitudes. Try to be as honest and serious as you 19 can in making these statements. Do not be concerned if 20 these statements seem unusual. They are included to 21 describe people with many types of problems. If you 22 agree with the statement or decide that it describes 23 you, fill in the true circle on a separate answer sheet 24 to mark it true. So it gives the little example, false, 25 true, true. That's what it looks like. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Uh-huh. (Takipnest.) MS. M.: Am I supposed to do that? I'm clone. Am I supposed to be in the very beginning? I didn't do any of that. I don't know if you wanted me to do that. BY DR. HALL: Q. Yeah, if you wouldn't mind doing that. A. Problems that are troubling you the most with family. What if they're not troubling me, do I leave it? Q. If they're not problems, leave it blank if nothing on there is a problem for you. A. Yeah, I do not. And that's like boyfriend or family problem? Q. Yeah. I mean, again, I probably would put boyfriend out there under other if you're living with him and you're — A. Oh, okay. Q. -- for a while, I'd put it under marriage or family. A. Yes. Q. So actually, but — and choose which one you know is the most troubling with the second troubling. A. What is this, tired and what? Page 228 1 If you disagree with a statement or decide 2 that it does not describe you, fill in the F to mark it 3 false. Try to mark every statement even if you are not 4 sure of your choice. If you have tried your best and 5 still cannot decide, mark the false, F for false. 6 Use a soft black lead pencil and make a heavy 7 dark mark when filling in the circles. If you make a 8 mistake or change your mind, please erase the make fully 9 and then fill in the correct circle. Do not make any 10 marks on this booklet. There isn't a time limit for 11 completing the inventory, but it is best to work as 12 rapidly as is comfortable for you. 13 Okay, any questions? 14 A. No. 15 Q. All right I'm going to step out for a little 16 while. My assistants going to stay and if you have any 17 questions, she'll come and get me. 18 A. Okay. 19 Q. For the most part, as I said, it's kind of 20 similar to the SATs, so if you have a question, I may be 21 able to help define a word or something, but for the 22 most part, I'll probably say fill in the answer you 23 think is best. 24 A. Okay. 25 Q. All right? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 230 Q. Illitired. A. Oh, sorry. Q. No, not a problem. A. Years of education, I put eight? Q. I would assume you got through the eight grade, correct. And you haven't done the GED test yet. A. Yet, right. Q. Thank you. 1 think we're going to need to change the tape now. If you would like to take a few minute break, get up, scratch, it might take a little longer. A. Okay. (Brief recess taken.) BY DR. HALL: Q. This is the amended PI too, and similar instructions to the fast one. Quarter responses on the answer sheet. Use a No. 2 pencil only. Fill in the circles with a heavy dark mark. Print your identification number in the box to the left and fmd the circle below each space that has the same number in black pen. We'll fill in the identification number, so you don't need to worry about that. Black and circle for either male or female. And marital status. If you want to change a response, erase it carefully and then fill in your new choice. Do not make any mark outside 28 (Pages 227 to 230) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (801-280428-9381) 248de044-bdbf-4fa0-9143-60a9a76ffd36 EFTA01076096 Page 231 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 of the circles. 2 So for gender, marital status, education, test 3 date, setting we'll fill in. Birthday fill in and we'll 4 put in the identification number and we'll be sending it 5 off. 6 Similar style, use No. 2 pencil, and we will fill in the circles with a heavy dark mark. If you want to change an answer, erase it carefully and then fill in the other circle. Do not make any marks outside the circles. Please try to answer every question. If there is a question that you don't feel you can answer, you can leave that one blank. A. Okay. (TalcinjLtest) MS. M.: Yeah, but other than that, so did you want me to — I have never indulged in any unusual sex practices, so Jeffrey Epstein was defmitely an unusual sex practice, so that would be fte right? BY DR. HALL: Q. Answer it the best way you know how, because a lot of these questions are about you personally. (Takin_glest.) MS. M.: Okay. Like I brood a great deal? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 2.3 24 25 A. All right. Q. That no matter what you do, you're not going to be able to turn it around. A. Oh, okay. Thank you. Q. Like people who are on death row are often described as being condemned A. Oh, okay, thank you. (Taldng test.) MR. EDWARDS: Did you fill out the history or something? DR. HALL: Again, this is why I asked to be sent out ahead of time and not put us through all of this. MR. EDWARDS: And that's something you need done today? DR. HALL: Yeah. (T test.) MS. M.: Do you want me to use the pencil or pen? BY DR. HALL: Q. Actually, a pen is probably better but whatever works for you is fine. ME V1DEOGRAPHER: We have about 30 minutes and then she'll be done with that and -- Page 232 1 BY MS. YOUNG: 2 Q. Brood. 3 A. Brood? 4 Q. Yeah. 5 A. Complain? 6 Q. Like brood or — think about it, or... 7 A. Oh, okay. Like, if the same were to happen to 8 me, I continuously think about it or — 9 Q. Yeah. 10 A. Okay. 11 Q. If you had any questions about brood? 12 A. I wasn't really sure, but I understand. 13 Q. Okay. What's your — 14 A. To like stew over something, to -- 15 Q. Yeah, that's about right 16 A. Yeah, that's what she told me. Condemned 17 person, I believe I'm a condemned person? 18 Q. Let me ask him. 19 THE WITNESS: What does condemned mean? 20 MS. YOUNG: Like -- 21 THE WITNESS: Yeah, he's coming. What's 22 condemned mean? I believe I'm a condemned person? 23 BY DR. HALL: 24 Q. It means that you're going to be punished and 25 bad things are going to happen to you. 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 234 1 BY DR. HALL: 2 Q. Again, this is going to be like watching paint 3 dry. 4 A. Intuitive? Intuitive? What does that say? 5 Taking? 6 Q. Taking initiative. A. Initiative. And for this question right here, I put lack of communication is average, but not for describing — or sexual pattners stuff, can I put not — like I don't want to answer that. Because whose business is it really? I mean, I put average and like communications, se — Q. Okay. Yeah, no, again this is just — I know it says marriage, but whoever your relationship is with. I think it is for someone, you're dating someone. A. Okay. (Taking test.) (Test concluded.) • •410••44••40ma.•••Jvi...m•MO....•••••••• ••4.••• , .,•• • ••••••••••••Jj 29 (Pages 231 to 234) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (501.280428.9381) 248de044-bdbf4fa0.9143-50a9a75ffd35 EFTA01076097 Page 235 CERTIFICATE 2 3 STATE OF FLORIDA 4 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 5 6 7 1, Jeans Ricciuti, Registered Professional 8 Reporter, State of Florida at large, certify that I was 9 authorized to and did stenographically report the 10 foregoing proceedings and that the transcript is a true 11 and complete record of my stenographic notes. 12 Dated this llth day of November, 2009. 13 19 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 30 (Page 235) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601-280-428-9381) 248d0044-bdbt-41a0.9143.60a9a76Hd35 EFTA01076098