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IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN
TAPED INTERVIEW OF
Sandy Rossi
Notary Public, State of Florida
Consor and Associates
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2
3 BY DETECTIVE RECAREy:
4
Q
date of birth is?
5
A
(Thereupon, the following interview was had:)
6
Q
the purpose of today's meeting is to
7 discuss what -- as you know, I'm investigating a case
8
involving an individual you may know as Jeff or Jeffrey
9 Epstein from Palm Beach. Based on my investigation I know
10
that you may have some information pertaining to this case.
11
Prior before you telling as to what happened, will you raise
12
your right hand for me? Do you solemnly swear to tell the
13
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you
14
God?
15
A
Yes.
16
Q
Okay. So tell me from the beginning how did you
17
meet Mr. Epstein.
18
A
My friend
(phonetic) told me that she
19
was modeling for Jeffrey and said that she was paid money to
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model there.
21
Q
Uh-huh.
22
A
So I went in there and we had dinner and then he
23
took me into a room and at first Tatum went in with me and
24
then she started rubbing his legs and he told me to do that,
25
for me to massage him, and I didn't know what to do so I
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just did it. I was 15 at the time, you know, 16. I was
2
actually 16 at the time. And he continued to tell me what
3 to do, saying things like take my clothes off and things
4
that were not right and I know that I should have told
5 somebody but I didn't. And he said to me that if I told
6
anybody then bad things would happen and so I didn't
7
(inaudible) to tell.
8
told you that you were going to model?
9
A
Uh-huh.
10
Q
When you got -- she drove you there?
11
A
No. We took a cab.
12
Q
You took a cab.
13
A
Yeah.
14
Q
Okay. Do you remember what cab company?
15
A
Yellow Cab.
16
Q
It was Yellow Cab?
17
A
Yeah. I know their number if you need that.
18
Q
No, I've got Yellow Cab Company.
19
All right. When you got in, how were you
20
introduced to this individual?
21
A
He came out into the main entrance of his house
22
and we were just talking. We were just introduced and he
23
was telling me about some stuff and then he proceeded to
24
take me upstairs.
25
Q
Was this during the daytime or evening hours?
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A
It was evening. It was around like four or five
2
maybe because I remember eating.
3
Q
They made dinner for you or some kind of meal?
4
A
Yeah.
5
Q
What did he tell you? What kind of conversations
6
did you guys have?
7
A
Just like I just got to know him at first and he
9
was telling about like what he does for a living and --
9
Q
What did he tell you he did for a living?
10
A
I don't really remember. I can't, I can't tell
11
you now.
12
Q
How long ago did you first go there?
13
A
I don't -- I'm not sure. The very end of May,
14
early June.
15
Q
Of last year?
16
A
Yes.
17
Q
Okay. Last year meaning 2005 or 2004?
18
A
2004.
19
Q
Four.
20
A
(Inaudible). Yeah, it was. I think. I don't
21
remember.
22
Q
Okay. They took you upstairs. So what kind --
23
can you describe what you saw when you walked upstairs or
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A
Yeah. It was leading -- it was from his bedroom
25
leading into another room and then it was the massage table
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there and that's when I knew that something was up because
2
that didn't sound right to me. And afterwards I told
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and she's like I didn't know what to say. I don't know. I
4
think she thought that I was willing to go there and do
5
that. Like I don't know what she was thinking. I don't
6
know why she would bring me into that. Obviously she was
7
(inaudible) or something. I don't know if she needs help.
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Maybe that's why she got me there because she didn't know
9
what to do and I really couldn't tell you why she got me
10
there but...
11
Q
Okay. The very first time you went there you
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started massaging his legs?
13
A
Yes. He asked me to.
14
Q
Okay. Were you naked or were you down to your --
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A
No. I wasn't naked. And
started doing it
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and so I was like well, what's going on. She's like oh,
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this is just a part of the routine. Okay. Well, do you
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have to do it? You know? And Jeffrey said yes.
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Q
Okay. So you massaged his legs. So you were
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completely clothed when you were doing this?
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A
Uh-huh.
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Okay. What happened next?
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A
He told me to take some clothes off and I --
24
Q
Did you stay in undergarments or were you
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completely naked?
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No. I stayed in undergarments.
2
Q
Bra and panties or --
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A
Uh-huh.
4
Q
Okay. I know this is hard.
5
A
No. I didn't have a bra on, yeah.
6
Q
Okay. No bra, just panties?
7
A
Uh-huh.
8
Q
Okay. I know this is hard fox you to talk about.
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Okay? I just want you to know I've talked to a lot of other
10
girls and I am very aware as to what had happened in the
11
house. Okay? So I don't want you to feel bad or --
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A
I don't think (inaudible).
13
Q
Okay. What kind of panties were you wearing at
14
that time? Can you remember?
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A
Huh-huh. I don't remember.
16
Q
Okay.
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A
Probably a, probably a thong.
18
Q
Okay. What transpired next?
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A
Then he said okay, that's it for today, and I'll
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see you again. He, he, he told me that if I didn't go back
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then there would be problems because he would think that I
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told on him and that, you know, I don't know.
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Q
Okay. Let me back you up. You're standing there
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in your undergarments, in your panties.
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A
Right.
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You're massaging his legs.
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A
Uh-huh.
3
Q
What else transpired from there?
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A
That's it.
5
Q
That's it? You just massaged his legs?
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A
Oh. Then he -- when I undressed then he told me
7
to rub his nipples.
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Rub his chest?
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A
Yeah. Rub his chest.
10
Q
Was he doing anything?
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A
No. Not at first. Then he -- and I told him
12
don't touch me and he said why and I was like because I
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don't like this and I just want to go home and then he
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threatened me and I don't know, I just (inaudible) scared.
15
I know he's a very rich man and he could have somebody, I
16
don't know.
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Q
Did he try to touch you with his hand?
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A
He did touch me (inaudible).
19
Q
He did touch you. Did he touch you in your
20
vaginal area?
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A
Uh-huh.
22
Q
Okay. How did he touch you? Was it --
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A
(Inaudible.)
24
Q
Okay. Was this on the outside? Over the panties?
25
A
Yes.
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Under the panties.
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A
(No audible response.)
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Okay. Did he touch your breasts?
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A
(No audible response.)
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Q
Buttocks?
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A
But there was no, like (inaudible) his penis
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didn't go in me. None of that happened.
8
Q
Okay. Did he, did he use any toys on you?
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A
I don't remember.
10
Q
You don't remember any massagers, vibrators?
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A
No, I don't remember.
12
Q
Okay. Where was
during all this?
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A
In another room. He sent her out.
14
Q
He sent her out?
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A
I don't -- like I told her before she left to call
16
the cops and she didn't so I knew there was something going
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on. (Inaudible) disgusting really.
18
Q
I know this is hard. I know this is hard.
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A
And I feel so bad now after for those other girls.
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Like I could have stopped (inaudible).
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Q
Would he masturbate during the time that he was
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doing this?
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A
(No audible response.)
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Q
Is that a yes?
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A
Yes.
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Q
Did he have you touch him aside from rubbing his
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chest? I mean
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A
(No audible response.)
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0
No? What prompted to stop the massage?
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A
I don't know.
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0
I mean did he, did he climax?
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A
Yeah. He was like leaning towards me and then he
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climaxed and then that was it.
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Q
How did he -- did he have a towel on him? Was he
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naked?
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A
He -- right before like (inaudible) massage he had
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a shower in the room. Like there was a shower in the room.
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Q
Uh-huh.
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A
And he wrapped a towel around him so he came out
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and he was laying on the table.
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Q
So was he naked or --
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A
And then he put his hands under the towel. He
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didn't expose it to me.
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0
Okay. So you didn't see him climax. In other
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words you just -- you're assuming based on how he finished.
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A
Uh-huh.
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Q
Okay. Was this the only time that you went there?
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A
No.
24
Q
You had told
to call the police as to what
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had happened to you?
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A
Yeah.
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Q
And what did she say?
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A
Afterwards he had one of the, one of the -- his
4
employees drive us home so we couldn't really talk about it
5
on the way home and he specifically dropped her off at her
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house and me at my house. Like he wouldn't like let us go
7
to each other's house. And so I called her afterwards and I
8
said why did you even bring me there. I was crying. And
9
she said because you're my only hope. I don't have anything
10
else. I didn't know what else to do. I was just like okay,
11
then we won't go back. She said no because he has my number
12
and he said that he'll call the cops and get us in trouble
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and that it's our fault why this is going on and --
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Q
Did he know how old you were?
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A
I don't know.
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Q
Did you tell him?
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A
Oh, yeah, he did. Yeah, he did.
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Q
Did you tell him that you were in high school
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or
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A
Huh-huh.
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Q
Did you tell him which high school you went to?
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A
Huh-huh. At dinner --
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Q
Do you remember the employee who drove you home?
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A
He was foreign.
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Q
Was he --
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And from then on Ma
would call me and tell me
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to come in and I -- like there were plenty of times I would
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think about not coming in but somehow they'd get the number
4
to where I am and call me and tell me to come in. So when
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I'd pick up my phone they would call me -- if I was at my
6
friend's house they'd call me at my friend's house. I don't
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know how they got the number. I don't know how they did
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that but they did.
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Q
Okay. So
, that's who? One of his
10
employees?
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A
I think so. (Inaudible) she sat at dinner• too.
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Q
She did?
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A
Yeah.
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0
Okay.
would call you and arrange --
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A
Oh-huh.
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Q
Okay. How would you get there after that first
17
time?
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A
A cab.
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Q
Each time you'd go you would go with a cab?
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A
Yeah. Either that or an employee would come and
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get me.
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Q
Okay.
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A
He never made any threats or anything though.
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Q
How many times would you say you went to the
25
house?
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Three, four.
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Q
Okay.
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A
And same thing happened each time.
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Q
Same thing happened? You would go down to your
5
panties and provide him a massage?
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A
Uh-huh.
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(Inaudible) touch you?
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A
Yep.
9
Q
Touch you where?
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A
(Inaudible) mentioned earlier, my breasts, down my
11
body.
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Q
Did he ever use any -- in all the times that
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you've gone, did he ever introduce any kind of vibrator or
14
sex toy or anything like that?
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A
No, I don't remember.
16
Q
Did he ever go inside of you?
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A
Huh-huh.
18
Q
Always stayed on the outside?
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A
Oh-huh.
20
Q
Okay. if you had your panties on, how would he
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rub your vagina area?
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A
He would (inaudible.)
23
Q
Over the panties or under the panties?
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A
(Inaudible.)
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Q
How would he -- did he move the panties to one
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side or would he remove the panties?
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The first time would be over the panties. The
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second time (inaudible).
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Q
Did you ever bring anyone to the house?
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A
No.
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Q
No?
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No. I had a girl ask me if she could go to the
8
house. She was willing to (inaudible). I said if you
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really want to do it then you can come.
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Q
What was this girl's name?
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A
Do I have to answer that?
12
Q
I'd like you to.
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A
And I don't know her last name.
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Q
Okay.
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A
(Inaudible.)
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Q
How much were you paid each time you went to the
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house?
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$200.
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Q
Each time?
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A
Uh-huh.
21
Q
Were you ever told to bring friends?
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A
Uh-huh.
23
Q
By whom?
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A
Jeffrey or
both.
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Q
Both asked you to do that?
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Uh-huh.
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Q
Aside from what was her name?
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A
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Aside
did you ever bring
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anybody?
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Bring anybody? No. No.
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Q
Okay. Did
ever go?
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A
Yeah.
9
Q
Did you make any money for bringing
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A
Yeah.
11
Q
How much did you make for bringing
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$200.
13
Q
8200?
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A
Yeah.
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Q
Each time
went, did you -- were you paid
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any additional money?
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A
No. I didn't -- she didn't go back.
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Q
She didn't go back? She just went that one time?
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A
Uh-huh. Actually I -- after that I lost like
20
communications with her. I stopped talking to her. Never
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saw her after that.
22
0
Okay. You've only been to the house three or four
23
times?
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A
Yes.
25
Q
Were you given any gifts?
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A
Huh-huh.
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Q
Ipods? Aside from the money, any gifts or
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anything like that?
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A
He offered to take me to a ballet but...
5
Q
Locally?
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A
Yeah.
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Q
Did you ever go on any trips with him I mean
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anywhere?
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A
No. Would you? I said would you?
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want to go back?
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happened but...
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Did he ever hurt you?
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No. Why did you keep going back if you didn't
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Because I was scared. I didn't know what to do.
I was afraid that he was going to harm my family or --
Q
Did he say he would harm your family?
A
No. But he made threats to start something --
said that bad things would happen if I told anybody.
Q
Like what things?
A
He never said.
Q
Would he say this every time you went?
A
Yeah. He would ask me if I told anybody. And
then he would ask me if I'm lying and that he knows I'm
lying. He never like shouted at me or anything. That never
A
No. Well, yeah. Definitely. He hurt my whole
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esteem and my grades, my heart. Everything. Nothing
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physically but mentally, yes.
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Q
Were you confined to the -- each time you went was
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it during the daytime or the evening hours?
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A
I think I went there, I don't know, probably
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midafternoon early evening.
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Q
Like I said, I know this is hard on you, okay, but
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I -- would you ever call EMI
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A
No.
10
Q
Has
tried to reach you?
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A
A lot. She would call my phone like 30 times a
12
day like continuously.
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Q
When was the last time she tried to reach you?
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A
It continued for a while even after I like
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completely stopped going. Like I got away from him like he
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said I could get out. It's fine now. I didn't have to come
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back if I didn't want to and if I were to ever tell somebody
18
or call the police then he would -- then bad things would
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happen.
20
Q
When was the last time you were there?
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A
(Inaudible.) I tried to block it out of my memory
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as best as I could.
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Q
Would you say within the last six months?
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A
No. It's probably more than a year ago.
25
Q
More than a year ago? You haven't been back to
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the house in more than a year ago?
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Huh-huh.
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Q
Have you talked to
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No. I saw her on my birthday. We were going to
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watch fireworks together and (inaudible) haven't talked to
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her since. (Inaudible) brought up.
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Q
What school were you going to during that time?
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A
I believe it was during the summer.
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Q
During the summer?
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A
Yeah.
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Q
Were you attending
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during that time?
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A
Huh-huh.
14
Q
No?
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A
I went to (inaudible) and
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Q
Okay.
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A
Because (inaudible.)
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Q
And you were finishing up here?
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A
Yeah.
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Q
Just to ask you just a few questions directly.
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Okay?
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A
Uh-huh.
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Q
Was there ever any intercourse?
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A
Uh-huh.
25
Q
Oral?
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Yes, he had me get on top of him and like move
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around like intercourse but it wasn't actual, he wasn't
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actually putting himself inside me.
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Q
Okay. Were you with panties on or without panties
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on?
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With.
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Q
With panties on. Was there ever any oral sex?
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A
No.
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Q
No? Each time you went, did he massage your
10
vagina area?
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A
Yes.
12
Q
Your breasts?
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A
Yes.
14
Q
Your buttocks?
15
A
Yes.
16
Q
Did he ever penetrate your buttocks?
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A
No. He tried. He tried. He asked me if I wanted
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him to and I said no (inaudible).
19
Q
Your buttocks area or your --
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A
No, my vagina.
21
Q
Your vagina area? And by he was going to enter it
22
with his fingers?
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A
Yes.
24
Q
Okay. Did he ever bring out a massager or --
25
A
I don't remember.
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Okay. Except for the three or four times, you
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never went back with anyone else?
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A
Huh-huh. Just
(Inaudible.)
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Q
Did you have a cell phone back then?
5
A
No.
6
Q
No?
7
A
He would call just my dad's house.
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Q
He would call your dad's house.
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A
(Inaudible). They wouldn't always call
10
(inaudible) but (inaudible) and then a couple times they'd
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call from (inaudible).
12
Q
Do you still have the numbers on your phone?
13
A
(Inaudible.)
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Q
Did your cell phone number begin with a 202 number
15
or a 2?
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A
No.
17
Q
No?
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A
574.
19
Q
A 574 number?
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Okay. Is there anything else that you'd like to
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add to this statement that I have not asked you and you have
22
knowledge of?
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A
(inaudible).
24
Q
Okay.
25
A
(Inaudible.)
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Do you have her number?
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A
No.
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No?
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I never talk to her. (Inaudible.)
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DETECTIVE RECAREY: No, it's okay.
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conclude the tape. The time is 1:15.
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STATE OF FLORIDA
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I, Sandra Rossi, Court Reporter, State of
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and did stenographically report the forgoing
proceedings, and that the transcript is a true and
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complete record of the tape as listened to by me.
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Dated this 30th day of January, 2007.
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