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09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 01 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO. 08-CIV-80893 MARR/JOHNSON JANE DOE, Plaintiff, vs. JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. 1263 S.W. 21st Terrace Miami, Florida 33145 Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:06 p.m. SWORN STATEMENT OF Taken before ELAINE CRANDALL, Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at Large, pursuant to Notice of Taking Unsworn Statement in the above cause. U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111413 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 02 2 1 APPEARANCES 2 3 FARMER, JAFFE, WEISSING, EDWARDS, FISTOS 81 LEHR-MAN 4 BY: BRADLEY EDWARDS, ESQ. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 5 Fort Lauderdale. Florida 33301-3268 6 ALSO PRESENT: 7 MICHAEL FISTEN 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5 6 7 8 13 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 1 A. In his office. 2 Q. Related to what modeling? 3 A. Working, yeah. Modeling. 4 Q. What, at that point in time, did you know about Jean-Lac Brunel? A. Nothing. At that time I didn't know 2(04}licl& Q. So how did you meet with Jean-Lac Brunel in his office in 1998? A. Because them was a gentleman from Switzerland who wanted to makc business with than. And 1 was hired by that gentleman to look through all the accounts to make sure that — you know, they were kind of in bankruptcy. But he wanted to know that his money, his investment, would be good. So that's why I went Like, an external audit to do — to see what was the income, the expenses and something like that. Q. Who is the guy from Switzerland? A. I'm not going to tell you his name. Q. Is that somebody who is still in Iona with Jean-Loa Brand? A. No. Not at all. Q. Whet's the reason for not wanting to disclose his name? Dom he have anything to do 3 1 Thereupon- 2 3 was called as s witness by the Plaintiff and, 4 after having been first duly sworn, was examined 5 and testified as follows: 6 DIRECT EXAMINATION 7 BY MR. EDWARDS: 8 Q. Tell us your name. 9 A. 10 Q. WPM the point, you 11 know who Jeffrey Epstein is? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. And you've met him before? 14 A_ Yes. 15 Q. And you know who Jean-Luc Brand is? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. And you have met him before? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Which one did you meet first? 20 A. lean-Luc Brunel. 21 Q. And where did you meet hint? 22 A. In Miami Beach. 23 Q. Whea? 24 A. In 1998. 25 Q. And how? 5 1 with this ease? 2 A No. But I don't have permission. I 3 have to ask him. 4 Q. Okay. And after your meeting with 5 Jean-Luc Brunel in 1998— well, what company was 6 Jean-Lue Brunel with then? 7 A Karin's Models, it was, at that time. 8 Q. K-A-R-I-X? 9 A_ Yet. 10 Q. And is that the only other modeling 11 agency that you have known Jean-Lac Brunel to be 12 associated with, besides MC Squared? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Aod how long was Jean-Luc with Karin. 15 from 1998 through — 16 A. No, lean-Luc was the owner of Karin's 17 Before that. lthink since 1986, in Paris. 18 Q. All right And why was he no longer 19 affiliated with Karin at some point in time? 20 A He closed — he - how you say — he 21 made a dissolution. He dissolved the company. 22 Q. Were you ever hired to work with )(aria? 23 A I was hired to work with Karin's, yeah 24 Q. When was that? 25 A. In 1998. 2 (Pages 2 to 5) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111414 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 03 a 6 1 Q. What was your position? 2 A. At that time, bookkeeper. 3 Q. In Miami? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. And how long did you stay as the 6 bookkeeper in Miami for Karin? 7 A, Until 2003, when they changed the 8 company to MC Squared. 9 Q. So when did the official change come 10 from Karin to MC Squared? 11 A. In 2003. 12 Q. And when is the first time you met 13 Jeffrey Epstein? 14 A. I met Jeffrey Epstein only once in my 15 life. And I believe it was in 2003. Two 16 thousand — yeah, by the end of 2003, 2004. 17 Q. Where? 18 A. In New York. 19 Q. What was the occasion? 2 0 A. It was the open party for MC Squared. 21 Q. Where was that held? 22 A. In a discotheque in Manhattan. 23 Q. What discotheque? 24 A. I don't know. I don't remember. 25 Q. And did you meet Elaine Maxwell? 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 7 8 1 Epstein owns or controls numerous apartments in 2 that — at that same address: is that right? 3 A. Yes. Yes. 4 Q. And have you ever been to that address? 5 A. No. 6 Q. And how do you know that he owns or 7 controls numerous apartments at that address? 8 A. Because at that time Evelyn Valenreula 9 was the office manager of the new and she was 10 dealing personally with the assistant of Jeffrey 11 Epstein. And she had to do the payments for the 12 cable and, I believe, electricity. 13 Q. And Evelyn — who was the assistant of 14 Jeffrey Epstein that Evelyn was dealing with? 15 A. i don't know. 16 Q. 17 A. I believe so. 18 Q. Do you remember that name? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. That's somebody who no longer lives 21 here, right? 22 A. I — I believe I heard that, yeah. 23 Q. h you hear that from? 24 A. F m Evelyn, from Conetta (phoned 25 from A. I don't know her name. But he was 1 with — with a woman. I don't know. 2 Q. And what is yeti r understanding or what 3 was your understanding that Jeffrey— in terms of 4 Jeffrey Epstein's involvement with MC Squared? 5 A. Jam-Luc shays said that lefty was • 6 his friend, that he is a millionaire. And that 7 kffrey was giving him the money to — you }mow. loans or whatever — and the apartments for the girls and things like that. Q. All right. Let's break that down. Giving money for what purpose? For furthering MC Squared? A. For — for — yeah, the money came to MC Squared, not to — I don't know. Prior to 2003, I don't know if Jeffrey Bpstein ever gave him money. I know that from the longest JeathLue was living in an apartment that belongs to Jeffrey Epstein. Q. What apartment k that? A. It's inNEW York. I dont know the address. Q. Is that at 301 East 66th Street? A. Yeah, something like that. I think ifs that one. Q. And it's my gplentemibm that Jeffrey 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 9 Q. Okay. And at some point in time you came to know that the models were also staying in these apartments at 301 East 66th Street, right? A. I don't know specifically they stay at Jean-Luc% apartment. But I know that the models were staying in different apartments that belong to Jeffrey Epstein. Q. And what are the names of the models that were staying there, that you remember? A. Most of them. You know, at that time, when I was there who — an the little girls. Q. How do you spell that? A. I— you know, that was in 2000-somethingg. I don't recall ail the names. But there is a list that you can get it from the office in New York Q. A list — A. They have a list of models that they were staying in those apartments. Q. If I were to request it from the office in New York, what would I ask for? A. For the models' apartment list Chargeback for models apartments. Q. Cbargebaek? 3 (Pages 6 to 9) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373—8404 EFTA01111415 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 04 10 1 A. Yeah, because Jeffrey Epstein never 2 charged Jean-Luc for rent but Jean-Luc was 3 charging mot to the girls. And in her statements 4 it shous301. 66 Apamnent A, or Apartment B. And 5 he was charging them, like, a thousand dollars al 6 month. 7 Q. How do you know that? 8 A. Because I was doing the statements. 9 Q. You were actually the one doing the 10 statements? 11 A. Not all the time. I was in New York 12 starting 2003. 13 Q. Through what date? You were in New York 14 from 2003 to — 15 A. 2006. .6 Q. And while you were in New York you were 17 working for MC Squared? 19 A. Yes. 19 Q. And what is the proof that you have San 20 that Jeffrey Epstein was a partner or financial 21 supporter of MC Squared? 22 A. Ins the one who took the papers to 23 Mellon Bank. 24 Q. That's in Miami? 25 A. Yes. And Sy/dozed (phonetic) — I was 12 1 A. No, I dont know. 2 Q. So in addition to his financial 3 guarantor on the Line of Credit of a million 4 dollars. what other Involvement are you aware of 5 that Jeffrey Epstein had with MC Squared and/or 6 the apartments at 301 East 66th Street where the 7 models lived? 8 A. They were ➢lanning on buying or 9 associating with a glrl in —in France for a 10 for a company. They were planning to do a 11 company. And, actually, T gave the papa to — to 12 Mr. Shawn Connolly, which is an actual paper that 13 came from the office from Jeffrey Epstein, that he 14 was giving instructions to Jean-Luc saying that he 15 wanted to have the same contracts es uh, what's 16 his name, of Donald Trump, and that he wanted to 17 have the same kind of benefits for the scouters. 18 So he was giving instructions to 19 Jcan-Luc on what to do. what to there is a 20 woman in Paris, I don't recall her name, Frelit 21 (phonetic). I believe it was and they were — 22 they were, the three of them. trying to do anew 23 company. But then everything was. like, on zero. 24 They never — they never did it together. 25 Q. And do you know why? 11 1 talking at the time to Rich — I believe his name 2 was Rich Garry. That was one of the other 3 assistants of Jeffrey Epstein. 4 Q. Cany, G-A-N-Y? 5 A. Yeah. 6 Q. Do they cell him Erie Cacw? 7 A. That is him name, yeah, Eric Gany. 8 That's his name. !recall somethings, not all 9 the time. I recall that Mr. Epstein didn't want 10 to sign the papers, but Mellon Bank didn't want to 11 accept the Line of Credit if he didn't sign. So 12 we had to return the papers to New York so he 13 actually signed the documents. 14 Q. And what was be actually signing, that 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you remember? Signing over as a Line of Credit or — A. Asa line — as the grantor of the Line of Credit Because the Line of Credit came from J. P. Morgan directly, but he was the grantor. He was the one who actually was responsible. Q. And how much was the Line of Credit? A. A million dollars, it was, at that time. Q. And did you ever keep track of whether or not that line was extended or any additional monies were given to MC Squared? 13 1 A. No. 2 Q. Would you know the lady's name in Paris 3 if — a A. If you give it to rue, yeah. If you give 5 me the name, I can recall. 6 Q. Okay. While I'm looking for that, how 7 many girls that were models were living In the 8 apartments at any given time at 301 East 66th 9 Street? 10 A. That's that's not only one apartment 11 There are a lot of apartments there. There is not 12 only one girl. There is not only one apartment 13 I believe there were, like, two or three 14 apartments. And they were put in between four 15 girls per apartment. I believe. 16 Q. How many apartments? 17 A. 1 believe that mac, like, two or 18 three. 19 Q. And then is four girls per apartment? 20 A. Yeah. 21 Q. And you know that because you saw the 22 documentation at MC Squared that showed where 23 these girls were living? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Did you also have something to do with 4 (Paces 10 to 13) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111416 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 05 14 I the visas that were prepared for the girls that 2 were working? 3 A. Ycs. I was providing the names to the 4 attorney. His name is Luis Font. He was doing 5 the visas here in Miami. There was another — 6 Valenzuela was handling directly the visas in New 7 York. And only when she had problems, she hired B another attorney. I don't know the name of the 9 attorney in New York. But Luis Font is the — 10 was, at that time, the attorney handling the visas 11 for Miami. 12 Q. Do you remember doing the visa for■ 13 14 A. No, that was done in New York by Eve 15 Valenzuela. 16 Q. And visa, that you specifically 17 remember being done, right? 18 A. Yeah, I remember that. Because at one 19 point, I believe, one of the renovations of her 20 visa, something happened. And Mr. Epstein called 21 the office while I was then and was really upset. 22 And he spoke with Ican-Luc and they they were 23 really nasty with Eve and, you know, it wasn't 24 if — it wasn't Eves fault. It was their fault 25 because they gave the wrong information. But, you :6 7 A. No. 2 Q. Have you ever met her? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Have you ever met 5 (phonetic)? 6 A. No. 7 Q. You have only met Jeffrey Ffettin once 8 in person. Flow many times have you talked to him 9 ori the phone? :0 A. Maybe once. 11 Q. At some point in time you drove several 12 girls or a number of girls over to Jeffrey 13 Epstein's boon; correct? 14 A. Not me, Jean-Luc directly took them. I 15 was making the arrangements to get a limousine or 16 a car. And Jean-Lue himself was driving the girls 17 to his house because he was having a party and 18 then were supposed to be girls. 19 Q. Which girls did he drive over there? 20 A. One time I know he went with Mobini. 21 with — uh, what's her name? Four girls from 22 Brazil, front the same agency. is one of 23 than brawsc I remember her name. The other 24 ones — maybe if you — 25 Q. Elena Weber? 15 1 know, she was only an employee and that's it. 2 Q. How di ome into the 3 country? 4 A. By a model's visa, I believe. 5 Q. And was she brought in specifically by 6 Jeffrey Epstein or Jean-Lae nr do you remember? 7 A. Mr. Epstein wee paying for the visas. 8 But you know, all the visas werC done through — 9 through Karin's or MC Squared. I believe she came 10 with Karin's visa first, then everything 11 transferred to MC Square. And I believe those 12 visas were paid directly by Mr. Epstein. 13 Q. Now old was w hen she 14 first came? 15 A. Idon't know. I wasn't inNew York at 16 that time. Because I know she came prior to me 17 getting involved in New York 18 Q. And you were involved In New York in 19 2003? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. So she came in some time before that? 22 A. I believe so. 23 Q. But even back in 2003, she still — I 24 don't know bow old she is now. She's probably 24 25 or 25, right; do you know? 17 1 A. No. . 2 Q. 3 A. No. 4 Q. Do you know those two girls? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. And were those girls somehow involved 7 with Jean-Luc or the modeling agency? B A. Yes. 9 Q. They were both MC Squared models? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. And at the time, when they began, how 12 old were they; do on remember? 13 A. I believe like, 14,15. And 14 was 13,14. when she came. 15 Q. Okay. And do you know where they are 16 now, either one of them? 17 A. I know -is in New York. 18 Q. When is the last time you talked to her? 19 A 1n2006. 20 Q. How do you know she is in New York? 21 A. Because i saw her pictures whenever. I 22 believe she's in New York_ I don't know if she 23 really is in New York but I believe. 24 Q. Elena Weber? 25 A. Elena, the last time I saw her was in 5 (?aces 14 to 17) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111417 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 06 18 1 2006.X*. And, specifically, I don't know where 2 she is. But if she's in the United Siam; I 3 believe she's in New York If not, she is in 4 Brazil or in Paris. 5 Q. All right Do you know this person in 6 Brazil, Cache or Cache? C-A-C-H-A or C-A-C-R.E. 7 A. No. 8 Q. Rcrc is a document that we obtained 9 related to information from Jeffrey Epstein's 10 computer system. It says Massage Paris. It's in 11 a square there and it continues to the next page. 12 Tell me if you any of those names. 13 A. No. is one of tbc girls 14 that vent with NMI nnw the: Fin wing kind of 15 names.= is one of the other ones. If this is 16 Mos something like that it's a 17 black girl that I believe she was — she was not 18 =dune but she was going out with one of 19 Jeffrey's best friends. 20 Q. Who is that? 21 A. I believe — 22 Q. Who is Jeffrey's best friend that she 23 was going out with? 24 A. I don't know. I don't know. 25 something like that, is her name. 20 1 A. I heard that 'heard that. I don't 2 know, because I never met — I never I was 3 never, like, around him or nothing like that. Pm 4 just telling you what I heard. But regarding 5 Jean.l..ue, I know — !know he has that kind of 6 problem, no? 7 Q. And as long as you knew Jean-Lnc, he 8 always had a cocaine problem? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. What about Jeff Fuller? 11 A. I know he had a cocaine problem. too. 12 He was one time on the Internet, you know, like, a 13 report on that 14 Q. And is Jett Faller somebody else who yon 15 also knew to have been associated sexually with 16 underage girls? 17 A. Jeff: I — you know, I don't think Jeff. 18 1 always thought Jeff was gay. For me, he's gay. 19 You know, that's the impression that I have. But 20 I don't think so. 21 Q. Did you fmd out that Jeffrey Epstein 22 and/or Jean-Luc Brunel were Involved in these 23 underage girls that were staying in these 24 apartments at 301 East 66th Street? 25 A. I really don't know that You know, 19 1 Q. All right What laformation do you have 2 about Jean-Lae being involved with underage girls 3 at any point in time? And by that I mean being 4 involved sexually with underage 5 A. One day he told me that be wishes he an 6 sleep with one of those girls that was underage. 7 And I told him that's a minor, whatever. And B then - hold on, that's my son. 9 (Telephone interruption.) 10 A. He had a problem, you know. I cannot 11 say T saw them, look. because l would be lying. 12 And Prn not going to say any lic. But the only 13 thing thatican tell you that what I saw about 14 Jean-Lue is that Jean-Lue is a drug addict, a 15 cocaine addict. 16 Q. At some point in time you actually saw 17 evidence of that, right? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Immo, him using cocaine that somebody 20 does every day? 21 A. Yeah. He's an addict. He's used to 22 drugs, as well as. you know — I know Mr. Epstein 23 doesn't take any alcohol, drugs. I know that 24 heard that 25 Q. How do you know? 21 1 cannot tell you. I know that were girls fl ying 2 that. T never knew if they were going that or 3 not. 4 Q. You mean, you knew that the girls were 5 staying there; 13,14,15? 6 A. Some of the girls were underage, yeah. 7 Q. As well as 13, 14 or so? 8 A. Thirteen or 14, yeah. 9 Q. Did you ever ask any of the girls if 10 they were sexually involved with Jean-Lue and/or 11 Jeffrey Epstein? 12 A. No. Onc timc there was a problem with 13 And she was - I believe she was 14 14 years old. And she tried to go — or they took 15 her to a discotheque in Miami Beach. And when I 16 went to work the day after, they told me that the 11 police was asking. So since she was doing 18 whatever she wanted, you know. I brought her to my 19 house and I said, you're not going out at night; 20 you're only 13, 14, and that's my responsibility. 21 Q. Do you /mow Sergio Cordero? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. And do you know what Sergio's role was 24 in getting girls or something torJeffrey Epstein? 25 A. Yeah. That — that is something that 6 Rages 18 to 21) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111418 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 07 22 1 Sergio, you know, comment with me. And he said 2 that when Jeffrey Epstein went to Ecuador, 3 Jean-Luc told me that he has to bring girls and 4 this and that, because Jeffrey was coming to 5 Ecuador. So they did such a big thing. 6 Q. Right But In terms of bringing girls, 7 specifically gins. that were very young? 8 A. Yeah. but there was girls from Ecuador. 9 There is nothing you can do there. It's South .0 America. 1.1 Q. I understand that. I'm not saying .2 whether it was legal or illegal. I'm just asking :3 you, the direction was that Jean-Luc told 1 4 Sergio — 15 A. Not to bring girls. Never said — 16 never — Sergio knew that they like young girls. 17 Q. By young, what are we talking about? 18 A. Eighteen, 19. Sergio — you know, l 19 know Sergio. And more than anything, like, Scrgio 20 is a father. And I don't think he will nut his 21 hands on a ten, 11, 12, I3-year-old girl. You 22 bow what I mean? 23 Q. I'm ant asking about him. Do you know 24 ofJeffrey Epstein being involved with underage 25 girls? 23 1 A. I heard that yeah. 2 Q. You heard that through whom? I don't 3 mean just the newspapers and things like that I 4 mean -• 5 A. No. Through — through the office. 6 Through Jean-Luc. Through -- there were 7 conversations of Jan-Luc saying that, you know. 8 Q. Saying what? 9 A. That Jeffrey likes underage girls. And 10 never directly but, you know, his conversations 11 were lace that 12 Q. Okay. But, specifically, I just want to 13 know what evidence that we have, what real 14 conversations that you heard, about Jeffrey 15 Epstein liking underage girl% 16 A. I'm telling you Jean•Lue saying it from 17 his mouth. 18 Q. Okay. And, specifically, be says 19 Jeffrey Epstein likes underage girls or he likes 20 12-year-olds or likes what? 21 A. No, he likes young girls. When they 22 were talking in the office, there were a lot of 23 people. So they were not stupid. They were 24 knowing how to talk. Because they wee making, 25 like, a big thing of, oh, look, he's going out 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 :3 14 15 16 1'7 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 24 with and we lmcw•_was only 18 years old. She is a young girl. So that's the kind of girl he likes. You know what I mean? Q. But there is nothing illegal going out with an IS-year-old girl. And that's what I'm asking. A. No. Q. What Information do we hove that Jeffrey Epstein was involved with underage girls? I mean, I have a lot of information of my own. Rut I'm asking what Information do you know. A. The only thing I heard in the office, that Jean-Luc say it. that they like -- when they say, oh, I wish I maid sleep with this girl or the fact that he was taking 15.16-year-old girls to his house. Q. Who? A I know that because I saw him. Q. Jean-Lae was taking 15-year-old girls to his own place? A. No, to IcffthY's house. Q. To Jeffrey's house? A. Yes. Q. And what 15-year.old girls was he taking 1 to Jeffrey's house? 2 A. At the time I'm telling you it was- 3 I don't know remember the other two 4 girls. There is two Brazilian girls. I gave it 5 to you before, the names. I don't remember right 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 25 now. Q. Do you know Leslie Groff? A. No. Q. Do you know Khalld Mohammed? A. Yet Q. What did he do? A. lie was a scouter and a booker. Q. Stouter; what does that mean? A. Person looking for models. Q. And how legitimate was — A. Khalid Salaam. Q. Salaam? A. Yeah. Q. RIghL Where wax he bringing modeb ks from or looking for models? Outside the country or — A. Inside the country. Very — not often from outside the county, no, no. From inside. Q. Did you ever hear of any of the parties that took place on Jeffrey Epstein's island? 7 (Pages 22 to 25) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111419 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 08 26 1 A. In -- 2 Q. Little St James? 3 A. One New Yew's, I believe — that was, 4 like, 2004,2005, that New Year's — they were 5 having a party there. 6 Q. Who was having a party there? 7 A. Mr. Epstein. 8 Q. And who was at the party that you know? 9 A. I know Jean-Luc was there. But then — 10 specifically, I don't know if lest[-Luc stay there, 11 because what I do recall is that, during those 12 days, there was, like, December 30 or 29. 1 3 something like that, lean-Luc call me from Puerto 14 Rico that he was doing the scouting and he — 15 actually. he was the one who told me that he had 16 to go to Jeffrey's island because they were having 17 the party there for New Year's. 18 Q. What other girls do you know of that 19 were et that party? 20 A. I don't know. 21 Q. Do you know of any of the other peoF4e 22 that were at that party? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Just Jean-Luc and Epstein? 25 A. Yes. 28 1 Q. What did he accuse you of? 2 A. Of stealing money. And I had a letter 3 from Jean-Luc authorizing me to get the money that 4 I had, you know. 5 Q. And did you ultimately have to plead to 6 criminal charges because of that? 7 A. That was my — what my attorney told me. B Q. Yeah? 9 A. Yeah. 10 Q. So now you're on probation or something? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. How long does the probation last? 13 A. They did it for 20 years. So I'm just 14 trying to melt= that 15 Q. Twenty-year probation? 16 A. Yeah. 17 Q. And other than Jeff Fuller, who else 18 was — who else was making thew accusations? 19 A. Only Jeff. 20 Q. How about Jean-Lne? 21 A. I never — my attorney told me that 22 Jean-Luc was never interviewed, nothing. 23 Q. Jeffrey Epstein? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Have you talked to Jean-Lac about the 27 1 Q. The last time that we talked, I have 2 just the investigative report, which basically was 3 just typed up from the things that you said. it 4 was written that Ma Vasquez advised that she, 5 herself, submitted the documents to renew 6 foreign visa on at least two occasion. 7 A. No. not me. It was Evelyn Valenzeula. 9 I never did her visa_ That visa was done by 9 Evelyn in New York. 10 Q. When Is the first time that you learned 11 that was involved with Jeffrey 12 Epstein? 13 A. I believe in 2007. After I was out of 14 the company. 15 Q. Yon didn't know, when you were in the 16 company, that they were involved? 17 A. No. 18 Q. All right At some point in time, did 19 you get in trouble, criminal trouble, related to 20 MC Squared? 21 A. They accuse me in 2006. 22 Q. Who accused you? 23 A. Jeff. 24 Q. Jeff Fuller? 25 A. Yes. 29 1 whole situation? 2 A. i spoke with Jean-Lue.on two or three 3 times. I spoke with Jean-Lue, like, two or three 4 times dining — prior to the middle of the 5 process, I did — and I still have an e-mail that 6 he send me because he wanted to talk to me, I 7 wanted to talk to him. And I never made the time 8 because Jeff Fuller didn't allow him to talk to 9 me. So we never got to get together to talk. 10 Q. And they prosecuted the case in Federal 11 Court herein Miami? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. And your entire sentence was probation; 14 there was no prison or house arrest? 15 A. House arrest one year. That, it was 16 done already. And then probation. 17 Q. The last time, I have a lot of other 18 notes about some of the models that were being 19 brought in and signing visas, as if they were 20 going to work here, but realty they were lilting in 21 the apartment and didn't really do any modeling 22 work 23 A. Yeah, that is true. That is true. J 24 told you that. Many, many girls were coming here. 25 Many girls were coming here first without a visa, 9 (Pages 26 to 29) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111420 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 09 30 1 without a working visa. Most of the girls, they 2 were coming in to the States as tourists. They 3 were working — whenever they work, they were 4 collecting 30 percent from their income when they 5 were not even legal. They didn't even have a 6 Social Security or nothing but they never pay it. 7 Neither to the government, neither to the girls, 8 you know. And within the time, I believe lean-Care 9 start getting pressure from Mr. Epstein that he 10 didn't want to get in trouble and he put some 11 pressure on Jean-Luc. So he wanted all the girls 12 to have a visa So they start working on the 13 visas of the girls. 14 Q. Okay. 15 A. And they were making, like, contracts or 16 things like that. Because, prior to that, they 17 didn't have it. Prior to that. when Jean-Luc — 18 prior to Jean-Luc getting the money from 19 Mr. Epstein. Jean-Luc was doing whatever he 20 wanted. 21 Q. Okay. 22 A. And later, you know, Mr. Epstein put the 23 money that he had to start tatting, you know, all 24 the invoices Dom Mr. Epstein. 25 Q. Does Jeffrey Epstein know that Jean-Luc 31 is a coke addict? 2 A. !don't know. 'don't even Imow that 3 Mr. Epstein knows that Jean-Luc lied to him all 4 thc time. Because when he — when I gave the Line 5 of Credit to Jean-Luc, Jean-Luc presented false 6 statements to him. You know, Mr. Epstein wanted 7 to see that the company was a profitable company 8 and we had to hide all those numbers. And we had 9 to give him, like, positive numbers so he can see 10 that the company was making money but in belief 11 ahrays was in red. 12 Q. What do you mean by that? Jeffrey 13 Epstein said, hey, Pm going to give you money as 14 long as the company is positiwe? 15 A. Yeah. Mr. Epstein wanted to see — I 16 believe I believe, since he's a very successful 17 person moneywise, he was not stupid to put his 18 money, even though he knew he was able to get 19 girls or whatever, you know, if that was the can. 20 But deep inside he wanted to sec if these people 21 really — if this company was profitable for him 22 to put a million dollars. 23 So maybe Eric Gany, at the time, was one 24 of his advisors. And they wanted to see the 25 profit and loss statements and. You know, the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3. 2 3 4 5 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 1.6 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 32 balance book or whatever. told you the name of the accountant that you could go and took all those papers, you know, make a subpoena or whatever, of Richard Fernandez, that he could give you all the information, 1998, 99,2000, after 2005, that he did everything and you could see the company was always in red, always. Q. So the company wasn't profitable but Jean-Luc falsified documents to show to Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes. Q. And have you seen the real documents and the falsified documents? A. Yes_ So you know that they were falsified? Yes. Q. Is it your understanding that Jeffrey Epstein is still involved, from a financial aspect, io MC Squared? A. (believe so. Because, as far as know, the Line of Credit wasn't paid. The million dollars wasn't paid. Q. And Jean-Luc and Jeffrey Epstein are still friends? A. 33 A. Yes. Jean-Luc is still living in Jeffrey Epstein's apartment in New York. Q. Row do you know that? A. Well, because — because I know. Q. From Evelyn? A. Yes. Q. Is Evelyn still working for MC Squared? A. No. Q. Do you know who is working for MC Squared? A. It was working until not too long ago a very — Evelyn's goddaughter. Jobelin, she was working there. Q. How do you spell it? A. 7-O-B-E-L-I.N. Q. Okay. Anybody else? A. In Europe? Q. Yes, or here. A. No. that was related to Eve? No Evelyn — Jobelitt Q. Who works in the MC Squared office here? A. Here, I knew other things, because Amanda Grant and — I gave you her name more than one time. Ante was working with them until 2008. And she got a lot of information. And she 9 (Pages 30 to 33/ U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111421 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 10 34 1 wanted — you know. she call — I arrangc she call 2 Immigration. because they screw her. And, 3 actually, they made her leave the company because 4 she has— she is a single mother, four kids. And 5 they were giving her a lot of bad — bad timc. 6 (Telephone interruption.) 7 Q. How do you spell her name, Amanda Grand, 8 C-R-A-N-D? 9 A. N-T. Amanda Grant- IC Q. And do you know her address, phone 11 number; something like that? 12 A. I have — you can get it in Fautook_ 13 She's in Facebook. Amanda Grant 14 Q. Do you have it? 15 A. Not in this phone. My other phone broke 16 so I don't_ inn get it for you, if you want 17 Q. Yeah. I would appreciate it. 18 A. Yeah. 19 Amanda had also the information of 20 monies, as I told you before, that took monies 21 that they were transferred to the British Virgin 22 Islands. 23 Q. Monies transferred to the Braid+ Virgin 24 Islands? 25 A. Ya. 36 1 A. Yeah, sometimes and that's — that's 2 what f can tell you. I know because I can tell 3 you about Jean-Luc, that I know because I met him 4 for ten years. Okay? I can put my hands on fire 5 and I can tell you that he did it. About Jean-Luc 6 lean say it. I don't know about Mr. Epstein 7 because I was never — t met him once in my life. 8 I saw him once in my life. And after that when I 9 saw hint, was in the newspapers; that's it. Q. And, otherwise, you just heard that :1 Jeffrey Epstein likes underage girls? 12 A. Underage girls, yeah. 13 Q. And there was a time where Sergio — 14 well, I've talked to Sergio, so I'll talk to him 15 about whatever the Ecuador trip was. 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. MI right Do yen know of this company, 18 COUQ — 19 A. No. 20 Q. — Foundation. AA right. Do you know 21 of somebody by the name of Gypsy, G-Y-P-S-Y? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Somebody who provided Jeffrey Epstein 24 girls? 25 A. No. 10 35 1 Q. From what account to what? 2 A. Jean-Luc opened an account there because 3 Jeffrey told him that it wits better to open an 4 account there. So them was money — like, for 5 example, if the monies were going to Manuel Cruz 6 to do a shoot or something, Jean-Luc was 7 negotiating with the girls and say, oka y. if you 8 go to do fl e sunny photos. I give you 52,000cash, 9 no .cpots, whatever. 10 So leen-Luc had — as billing that 11 company from another company. or from the British 12 Virgin Islands. So he was neither paying taxes 13 here and maybe he was making 520,000 on that 14 shooting and he was giving the girl only SZ,000 15 and that money never came to be reported hat 16 Q. Okay. Other than you saying that you 17 know that a 15-year-old or so went to Jeao-Lue's 18 house with him, how else do we know that Jean-Luc 19 and/or Jeffrey Epstein, I'm more concerned with 20 Jeffrey Epstein, were involved sexually with 21 underage girls? 22 A. How do I know? I -- I — !cannot tell 23 you hatl saw— that I was drat because thafs 24 not two. I never saw anything. 25 Q. Right But "'mill Ma you just know? 37 1 Q. How about Jileta (phonetic)? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Never heard that name? 4 A. No. 5 Q. 6 A. I bevy I heard that name. But I — 7 Q. She works up in New York and I believe B she works for Jeffrey Epstein in some capacity. 9 Do you know what that is? 10 A. I believe so. No. 11 Q. Okay. 12 A. The person who can tell you that is Eve. 13 Because Eve was very involved with Jeffrey 14 Epstein's office. :5 Q. What is Eve's number again? 16 A. 17 Q. Do you know Jojo Fontanelle? 18 A. No. 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. No? Other than Jean-Luc, what other people that are friends with Jean-Luc share this Interest in underage girls, that you know of? A. No. Q. I mean, who are his friends? Who are the gays he hangs out with? A. Jeff. When be was in Miami. Jeff, 10 (Pages 34 to 37) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111422 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 11 1 conado. 2 Q. Who is Corrado? 3 A. A friend of lean-Lue. An Italian guy. 4 They were always like that, Condo and Luc. I 5 met lean-Lot's friends in Ecuador, like people 6 that had to be — people that they were involved 7 with modeling agendes in Europe. in South 8 America, but very different people. very different 9 people. I met some people from France. Fero, 10 really, even if they were guys or whatever, 11 gentlemen. You know, like, very proper people. 12 Like, from Brazil. too. And the woman, you know. 13 Q. How about Simon Pant: you know who that 14 is? 15 A. Simon Farm, yeah. 16 Q. How do you !mow hint? 17 A. I met him through Jean-Luc. 18 Q. And what's his story? :9 A. Mr. Para was a very good friend of the 20 office. I cannot say of Jean-Lase because he was 21 only a friend of him. He was a very good Mend 22 of the office, because Mr. Parra is a gendcman. 23 He was lending money to the office. Whenever I 24 requested, he always gave it to me for the office. 25 You know, that I signed —1 had to sign papers 38 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 40 A. Yes. Q. And they come in the country and they don't have their parents? A. Yes. Q. So they don't really have any parental supervision while they're here? A. Not at all. Q. So the modeling industry is one that 9 some guys use that to get underage girls and 10 that's happened for a long time, really, right? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. So Is that what Jean-Luc Brunel still 13 does? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Still uses it In get underage girls to 16 sleep with, really, right? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. And Jeffrey Epstein, too? 19 A. !cannot tell you that because I don't 20 know. i lamw if there is — there is kind of a 21 relationship, 1 believe they will or he will. You 22 {mow, he still does it. But I don't know. I 23 cannot tell you because I was never —1 was 24 never — what I can say that I know, because 1 was 25 with that person for the longest, was with 39 1 for him or whatever, to — to do the payrolls or 2 whatever. But Mr. Parra is 3 guy that he likes to 3 be surrounded by girls. But net underage girls. 4 Q. Okay. What was Jeffrey Epstein getting 5 out of MC Squared? 6 A. The only thing that( can think he was 7 getting was the girls. Nothing else. Because he 8 has all the money. 9 Q. And the company wasn't making money 10 anyway? 11 A. No. :2 Q. And you know the company wasn't making 13 money? 14 A. It wasn't at all. At all. So dm only 15 thing that he was — I believe that he wanted to 16 get involved was because of the girls, that's it. 17 Pero, he wanted to do it legally, like, girls 18 coming here, even if they were underage or 19 whatever, with vise. 20 Q. Because the modeling industry Is one of 21 those industries where there is a tot of girls 22 underage coming in the, country, right? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. That's pretty easy access to underage 25 girls? 41 1 Jean-Lue. The same thing that !nen tell you, 2 that even if he has a daughter, whatever, I put my 3 hands on fire that Jeff Fuller is gay. 4 Q. Okay. And Jean-Lae, you saw him use 5 cocaine at work? 6 A. Not in the office- But sometimes he was 7 coming to the office, like, with blood coming from 8 the nose and white things here, that he had to go, 9 oh, you go and clean yourself or whatever, you 10 know. 11 Q. Would be talk about his cocaine 12 addiction? 13 A. Not directly, but it was a box properly, 14 everyone blew about that. And he was the one — 15 the kind of person who didn't feel ashamed to 16 tell. For example, Sergio was there and I was 17 here and he was there and he was, like, Sergio, go 18 and get me the best one, you know. And Sergio was 19 going and getting it for him. 20 Q. So be didn't really hide the fact that 21 he used cocaine? 22 A. No. No. But not in the office, not in 23 front of the bookers. 24 Q. Where is the office in New York? 25 A. Six West 14th Street. 11 ?ages 38 to 41) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111423 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 12 42 Q. And do you know what Khabd is doing 2 now? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Is he in Miami? 5 A. Yes, he's in Miami. 6 Q. Do you know his number? 7 A. No, I don't know his number. 8 Q. How about Mike Stinks? 9 A. Michael Sanka, he's in California 10 Q. What did he do? 11 A. He represents -- he represents shirts, 12 players. He is, like, a manager. 13 Q. Did he have any role in procuring 14 underage girls for anybody? 15 A. Never. No. Not at all. 16 Q. How about Arnaud Brunel? 17 A. He's Jean-Luc's brother. 18 Q. Is be here in Miami? 19 A. No. 20 Q. Where is he? 21 A. France, 22 Q. Has he ever been here in Miami? 7.3 A— Yes. 24 Q. When is the last time you talked to him? 25 Been a while? 44 1 A. Ruth, the other lady in Paris. It's the 2 same thing. She will tell you everything. 3 Jean-Luc came front Paris — 4 Q. How do you spell her name? 5 A. I don't know her name. Her last name I 6 don't know. Ha name is Ruth. R-U-T-H. Like, he 7 came from Paris. Because if he stay in Paris, he 8 had to pay taxes and this and that. Everything 9 that he was avoiding. 10 Q. Who, Jean-Lue? 11 A. Jean-Luc. 12 Q. Do you know how be and Jeffrey Epstein 13 became friends? 14 A. No. 15 Q. Or why they became friends? 16 A. No. 17 Q. I mean, other than underage girls, what 18 else do those two have in common? A. That's the only thing, I believe. And 20 it's very — you know, like, I saw Mr. Epstein 21 once in a gym. in a church, very simple. And you 22 see Jcan-Luc on the same place and you sec 23 ,Teen-Luc with a — Prods pants and with a Gucci 24 T-shirt and with Dolce Cabana sunglasses. It's 25 like two different characters. 43 • A. 2006. No, 2003. 2 Q. Okay. Is he close with Jean-Lac? 3 A. No. Well, he's his brother. you know. 4 Q. Yeah. 5 A. There is a blood relation there. But I 6 tan tell you it's, like, oil and water, two 7 different persons. Two different heads. Two B different mentalities. 9 Q. Who are the people — 10 A. A gentleman and a beast. Mr. Arnaud 11 Brunel is a gentleman, a very correct person, very 12 transparent. The other is the opposite. 13 Q. Do you know this guy, Etienne? 14 A. Etienne Rau. He was another partner of 15 Jean-Lue, in Karin's. Another gentleman, another 16 real good person. Actually, Jean-Luc screw him 17 and he took him out from Karin's. He closed 18 Karin's here in Miami, without Mr. Etienne's 19 knowledge. 20 Q. And if we talk to Etienne, he would not 21 have nice things to say about Jean-Luc? 22 A. No. Not at all. 23 Q. What about — 24 A. Ruth. 25 Q. Who is that? 45 1 Q. And how many giris, at any one time 2 would MC Squared have under them? 3 A. A lot Like, over 200,300. 4 Q. Other then the one time where four girls 5 were taken to Jeffrey Epstein's house — and all 6 four of those girls were underage at the time, 7 right? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. They were 14 or 15 at the time? :0 A. Yeah,I5.16,14; something like that. 11 Q. Other than that time, what other 12 occasion Jog your memory, think this through — 13 have you known of Jeffrey Epstein to be in the 14 stint vidnity as any of the models? Was there 15 ever a time that Jean-Luc says, bey, Jeffrey 16 Epstein is coming up to New York this weekend. 17 we're going to hang out at the apartment or .8 Jeffrey Epstein is this? 19 A. No. Never. Jean-Luc never mentioned 20 his name until 2003, when, actually. Mr. Epstein 21 got involved. To me, you know, to me. Prior to 22 that, one more time, you can talk to Eve. She 23 knew Jeffrey Epstein prior — prior to me. 24 Q. Before you did? 25 A. Yes. 12 (Pages 42 to 45) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111424 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 13 46 1 Q. And the has seen him more often than you 2 have? 3 A. Of O5UnC, because she was in New York 4 all thc time. She live in New York andIncrer 5 live there. I was, like, commuting one week in 6 New York, two weeks In Miami. One week in New 7 York, two wales in Miami. 8 Q. Are you leaving to go to Colombia soon? 9 A. To Peru 10 Q. To Pen? 11 A. Yeah. 12 Q. When? 13 A. The 24th. 14 Q. And do you know when you're going to be 15 back? 16 A. The 286. 17 Q. All right. Like I said, I would hope 18 and think that this whole thing — that your 19 Involvement is completely done. However, there is 20 one case that Jeffrey Epstein has not tattled 21 right now that could go to trial. If it went to 22 trial, then we could be abed at trial Bat it's 23 highly unlikely that is going to happen. I'm Just 24 letting you know there Is a ponthility. 25 Emmy Taylor, do you know who that is? 48 1 Jeffrey. She was living in his place. 2 Q. Anything else about him that — 3 A. No. 4 Q. Or about her? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Inks Dory? 7 A. No. 8 Q. Any other people that you know that were 9 living in that apartment at any time? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Other than the people that you named 12 already, which 13 14 A. I n t t ena lived there. Elena 15 was living in one of the models apartment that we 16 rent. Because besides those two apartments. we 17 rent apvtmcnts in New York for the girls. 18 Q. Who decides whether the girls live is — 19 A. Jean-Luc. 20 Q. Jan-Loc decides whether the girls live 21 at 301 that's owned by Jeffrey Epstein or the 22 other apartments that are rented by MC Squared? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. And how does he make that determination? 25 A. He's the owner. 1 A. No. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. S A. No. Q. Joelle Pasheow? A. No. Q. Lynn Fontanelle? A. No. Q. 471 ow — I didn't mention her because I didn't remember her name. Now you say it, .as a girl who was working for Karin's. She was not underage but she was a young girl. She was working for Karin's. She was studying and she was living at Jeffrey Epstein's apartment She was living at his place. Q. And what wag her involvement with Jan-Luc and/or Jeffrey Epstein? A. She was working at Karin's. Q. Okay. As a model? A. No. She was a — an employee. Q. She traveled on his airplane with him a lot? A. Yeah, because she's a personal friend of 49 1 Q. Oh, but, I mean, what are the 2 qualifications? I mean, if he likes the girl or 3 they're underage or they're — 4 A. No, if there were, like, good girls, S girls that they could make money, they were living 6 in an expensive place. If they were, like, 7 regular girls, they were living in shifty places. 8 Q. Okay. But which one is Jeffrey 9 Epstein's place? 10 A. An expensive place. 11 Q. Okay. So the better models were living 12 there? 13 A. Ycs. 14 Q. ale, you know who that 15 is? 16 A. No. 17 Q. Did you ever meet with Naomi Campbell? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Did yon know that she was friends with 20 Jeffrey Epstein? 2.1 A. No. 22 Q. Did you ever meet Leslie Wexner? 23 A. That the woman that was involved with 24 Mr. Epstein. no? 25 Q. No. Leslie Werner is the owner of 13 (Pages 46 to 49) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111425 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 14 50 1 Victoria's Secret? 2 A. No. No. He was a writer. 3 Q. No. He's the owner of Victoria's 4 Secret, The Limited, Abercrombie. 5 A. No. No. 6 Q. Did you ever hear anything about Jeffrey 7 Epstein's relationships, who he was with: Male, B female, a person's name? 9 A. I knew, because Eve told me that he had 10 a relationship with a woman that her father was 11 way wealthy and that's how he started his OW. 12 money. And if you tell me the name, maybe I can 13 remember. But I don't — 14 Q. Chiclaine Maxwell? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And her father was Robert Maxwell? 17 A. Ycs. 18 Q. Other than that relationship, arc you 19 aware of any serer relationships of Jeffrey 20 Epstein? 21 A. No. 22 Q. How many dines are you aware of Jean-Lac 23 bringing underage girls to Jeffrey Epstein's home 24 in Palm Bach? 25 A. While I was there. when I was working 52 1 A. Not really. Not really. Not really 2 that — because I would never think that they were 3 going to a petty. And I didn't know Mr. Epstein 4 in that scenario, you know. I know Jean-Luc was 5 crazy or is crazy, but not stupid to be with those 6 particular girls, because these girls were coming 7 from a very good friend of him in Brazil. 8 Q. Who Is that/ 9 A. And he didn't — I don't remember her 10 name. The mother agent of these four girls. I 11 gave it to you before. I don't remember her name. 12 It's a black woman. 13 Q. It's not Cache? 14 A. No. What's inflame? 15 Q. Because I have that part of the report 16 right here, stating that Brunel had a connection 17 with a young Brazilian woman bat I don't have a 18 name for that person. 19 A. No. He was having a connection with a 20 woman in Brazil that she was giving him 21 prostitutes when he needed it. 22 Q. The connection woman in Brazil was 23 giving .lean-Luc prostitute? 24 A. Real prostitutes when he needed it. 25 Q. How old were these prostitutes? 51 With them, maybe — maybe two, three times a year. 2 The last year. you know,2003, 2004,2005. 3 Q. And how would you know — 4 A. Not prior to that. 5 Q. How would you know that Jean-Lot was 6 taking underage girls to Jeffrey Epstein's house 7 during those years? 8 A. Because he was saying in the office: 9 There is a party at Jeffrey's house: Fin taking 10 the girls. And the girls, that they were in town, 11 they were, like, underage girls. 12 Q. We are still talking about 14, 15? 13 A. Sixteen, yeah. 14 Q. Sixteen, at the oldest? 15 A. Yes. And they were going. the other 16 girls, too. but he — he personally was taking the 17 linle ones. Because the other ones, they could :8 go in their own ears or whatever, you know, with 19 their boyfriends. 20 Q. Did you ever say anything to him about 21 taking underage girls to Jeffrey Epstein's house? 22 A. You 'mow, as a motile I always told him 23 that they were underage girls. And he was saying, 24 oh, that I'm the father. 2 5 Q. Bat you knew what was going on? 53 1 A. I don't know. I don't know because I 2 was never in Brazil with him or nothing like that. 3 Q. la Brazil? 4 A. In Brazil. That was in Brazil. S Q. Was Jeffrey Epstein involved in these — 6 A. Jeffrey Epstein was going to Brazil 7 because he has one or two clients that they're 8 from there. So they were going, they were meeting 9 there and everything like that. 10 Q. So you know of at least occasions where 11 Jeffrey Epstein and Jan-Luc were In Brazil — 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. — and there was a particular person 14 that would provide prostitute for them? 15 A. Yeah, because one time I blow because 16 Jcan-Luc sayitto me openly. 17 Q. What did he say? 18 A. That that woman was giving him, not 19 models; they were prostitutes. 20 Q. In my notes it says naderage 21 prostitutes. Is that something that — 22 A. Yeah, maybe. They were underage girls. 23 Like, 16,17,18. 24 Q. Ms. Vasquez stated, tell me if you agree 25 with this, that Brunel would have her prepare • 14 (Pages 50 to 53) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111426 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 15 54 1 list on a weekly bads that covered changing out 2 nr replacing the girls staying in Epstein's 3 apartment and providing them with living expenses, 4 as well. And then it goes on, saying that he 5 charged them rent? 6 A. Yeah, yeah. He was the one who mid who 7 stays in what apartuent and actually, whet he 8 said is. like. A. B, C. stays in Jeffreys 9 apartment So that was the order. ries it So 10 the rest Eve was supposed to put in whatever she 11 wanted 12 Q. The notes indicate that you — you were 23 talking abet° I neing a Russian, 14 14 years old, that lived in Ertein's apartment? 15 A. No. I never said that. 16 Q. You weren't there then? 17 A. No. 1 neva said that So whoever 18 wrote that, t was never — 19 Q. This is written off typing notes because 20 obviously we didn't have a reporter to get it 21 down. So that's why 1 wanted to get her here so 22 that we know exactly what your story is. It would 23 make it easier. 24 A. I heard of that girl. And 1 remember 25 clearly that it was a problem with her visa. And 56 1 Q. The F.ELL 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. When was that? 4 A. In 2008. 5 Q. 2008? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. And where did you meet with them? 8 A. In my office at the Four Ambassadors. 9 Q. At the Four Ambassadors. That's where 10 Sergio is, too, right? 11 A. Yeah. 12 Q. So do you still see Sergio? 13 A. I spoke with him sometimes; once in a.. 14 while. 15 Q. Did Sergio have to speak with the 16 F.B.I., as well? 17 A. I don't know. 18 Q. Do you know of anybody else that spoke 19 with the F.B.L about Jeffrey Epstein? 20 A. I don't know. I don't think Eva spoke 21 with him with them. I don't "mow. 22 Q. And what did you tell the F.B.I.? 23 A. I told them everything that I — the 24 same thing that I knew. At that time I even had 25 maybe more information. I gave everything from 55 1 that's why she — I remember there was a — end of 2 the year and I was with Eve in New York and she 3 was, like, really upset because they were, like, 4 mistreating ha because of that the fact that 5 they were blaming her for the papers, doing it 6 incorrectly. And that Eve told me, you know, that 7 girl neva work, she was never a mode/. She was 8 living in his place but she disappear. So she 9 actually never even worked as a model. 10 Q. 11 A. Ycah. 12 Q. And that's just something Eve knows 13 because Eve was there? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. AR right Do you know where Eve works 16 now? 17 A At Hope Community. 18 Q. What's that? 19 A. Ifs a government organiration in New 20 York. 21 Q. Has she spoken with the FALL? 22 A. I don't Icnow. 23 Q. Have you been contacted by the F.B.I. or 24 any government agency related to Jeffrey Epstein? 25 A. F.B.I.? 57 1 Amanda and everything like that. But the lady — 2 Q. Nesbitt? 3 A. Yeah, Nesbitt That was her name. She 4 was, like — I told her, you have to go go to 5 Immigration. !say, go visit over there. And 6 when I call her once she told me: You know what? 7 I need — listed fact. I need proof. I need 8 girls. 9 I say, well, I'm giving you the tools 10 dial I have. There is nothing else that I can — 11 1 cannot create something because I don't create a 12 story. I tell you what it is. This is the fact 13 You go and you can use this to also do something 4 else. But if your point is, you Imow, minor 15 accusations, like underage girls being with him in 16 the bed, I'm not going to say anything because I 17 don't know. I wasn't there. I don't 'mow. What 18 I heard, my ears heard, you heard, she heard. 19 whatever. 20 Q. From Jean-Luc is the only person you 21 heard It? 22 A. Yeah. 23 Q. Or Evelyn? 24 A. Yes. That's it. 25 Q. Who probably heard it from Jean-Luc? 15 (Pages 54 to 57) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111427 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 16 58 1 A. And who probably heard it from Jeffrey's 2 office. I don't know. 3 Q. Okay. Bed in tenns of things that 4 happened at Jeffrey Epstein's house or homes 5 around the country, you don't know? 6 A. Nothing. We have never been involved 7 with that gentleman or his own things. Never. Q. It was only a relationship with 9 Jean-Lue? A. For the office. That started 2003. 11 That's when he — that's when he actually gets 12 involved. 13 MR. EDWAR,DS: All right. I believe 14 I'm done. Hold on a second 15 BY MR. EDWARDS: 16 Q. When Jeffrey Epstein was in jail, did 17 you know of Jean-Luc going to see him regularly? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Did you even know that he went to jail? 20 A. Yeah. 21 Q. I mean, at some point in time, but while 22 he was in jail, did you know for any other reason 23 tither than newspapers that he was there? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Have you ever heard of this guy. Joe 59 1 Pagano (phonetic)? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Larry Vasasky (phonetic), do you know 4 the Pike A. No. With his personal things, we 6 never as far as T know, me personally, never. 7 Q. Yeah, no, I'm only asking you about 8 people who were on flights with Jeffrey Epstein 3 and Jean-Lae. So that's why I was thinking that 10 maybe Jean-Lue would say who was on that flight 11 A. No. because I know one tizne I }mow he 12 came in his plane and he forgot Gucci pants in his 13 airplane. So we had to go to the airport to pick 14 up the pants. But I had to wait outside and 15 somebody went inside to pick up the pants. 16 Q. (phonetic): do you 17 know who that Is? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Was then a Colombian girl, 13 years 20 old, approximately, being protected by Jan-Lot? 2: A. Colombian girt? 22 Q. That's all the information that I have. 23 No? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Who else would process the visas for the 6D 1 underage girls? 2 A. At that time, it was Evelyn Valeneuela 3 in New York_ And whenever she was not able to do 4 it, she hired an attorney. I don't know the name 5 of the attorney in New York. And in Miami the 6 person who was doing everything for visas was Luis 7 Font B Q. Who are the people that — that are — 9 you know most of Jean-Lie's friends. Who are the 10 people who dislike Jan-Lac? Who are the people 11 we should talk to about they know him, they're 12 familiar with him, bat they're going to tell as 13 A. Talk to Khali& 14 Q. Kballd? 15 A. Yeah, talk to Khali& Talk to Amanda. 16 Q. Yon don't know how to track Klialid down 17 right now? 18 A. Amanda can give you the information of 19 Ithalid. 20 Q. Amanda Grant? 21 A. Yes. And I'm going to give you a 22 letter —191 send you an e-mail of Amanda's 23 telephone number. Igo into my Fatebook and T ask 24 her. 25 Q. Okay. 1 2 3 4 S 6 7 6 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 61 A. And who else? Who else? Talk to Elit There is — there is a lot of people in New York. But you ask Eve. Ask Eve. She can give you the names. I don't know the names exactly. I gave Conch its a name. And I thought that this woman was really upset with him. But when she call her, it was, like, die girl was talking too much flowers about hint So ifs, you know — Q. So you never know? A. Yeah. You never know. That is true. You never know. Five thousand dollars in Brazil is a lot of money. You know, you can buy a house. Q. So you eau abo buy somebody to be quiet? A. Money talks. That's what they doing all the time. Q. Do you know of Epstein paying anybody off during this whole litigation? A. If I lmow, l don't ;mow. But f can say that, yes, because if it wasn't Jeffrey Epstein. if it would be Juan Perez, believe me, Juan Perez would be put in jail forever and ever. Q. Who? A. Pm giving you a name. Q. Oh, right Right. 16 (Pages 58 to 61) U,S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111428 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 17 62 1 A Because he's Jeffrey Epstein and he has 2 all the money he has, he could shut up everybody. 3 But if it would have been Juan Perez in the same 4 situation. Juan Perez would be light now all his 5 life in jail. 6 Q. But do you know of any people that 7 Jeffrey Epstein had paid during the civil 8 Migatien — 9 A I don't know. 1C Q. — to not talk or to go away? 11 A. T don't know. 12 Q. Or - I MUD. En sort of surprised that 13 we haven't heard more from the models who were in 14 New York, didn't make it as models and were only 15 op there la the apartments for Jeffrey Epstein or 16 Jeaa-Lue. 17 A. Because not all the models. even if they :8 arc underage, they agree to do whatever they want. 19 You know, like, in my case I was — when I was 20 with the girls and I were talking to the gins. I 21 always said, you know, like, you are going to do a 22 job. You're not being hired to do nothing else. 23 You work for nine to five. Even if you go to do a 24 three-day in San Francisco and the owner of this 25 company wank to ask you something, ifs up to 7 B 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 64 1 But my contract was for three days. That's not my 2 problem. 3 Q. Who were some of the other peopk that 4 you found out later were trying to molest the $ girls? 6 A. No; I found out because I had a very good relation with called to enmnlain and she want all her money. If not Wg are suing them. So I had to call them: You know, either you pay or we suc you for this. So they Pay. But with the other girls, I would always say, you are going to do this job, we're responsible to pay you for the job. Whatever you want to do after is not our concern. That is up to you. You're already old enough to do what you're going to do. So that's why I believe most of the models are not saying anything because what they going to do? You know, like they were not stupid. Q. I'm more concerned with the girls who were staying at the 301 East 66th Street apartments. A. You can get all that information from Eve. Eve has all of that Because Eve was 63 1 you. You're hired to do yourjob. After that, we 2 have no control. 3 You know, they were — there were girls 4 that they were going to do jobs of 100,000, 5 $200,000. And they were corning. they're real 6 upset, that they never wanted to work again with 7 those people, even though they were paying. 8 Because they were, like, molesting,. No way; Pm 9 here to work. That's it 10 Q. Who were those people? 11 A. For example, there is a girl, a 12 Brazilian ' 1 what's her name? 13 She did a job in San Francisco. And 14 the guy wanted to — 15 Q. Do you know her last name? 16 A. No. No. I don't remember. And the guy 17 wanted to take her out in his yacht And she 18 said, no, Pm going back to my hotel. Pm here to 19 do my shooting from nine to five and that's it. 20 And the guy didn't want to shoot her that next day 21 and he return her in a private plane. But we had 22 to fuld for her money because she had a three-day 23 shooting for $15,000 for each day or 520,000 each 24 day. And because she didn't want to go with him 25 in the boat, he didn't want to have her anymore. 65 1 actually the one who was buying everything for 2 that place and things like that. She — you know, 3 if she has all that information, she will give it 4 to you. 5 Q. Sbe would have the fins and fast names? 6 A. Everything. 7 Q. And lists and everything? 8 A. Everything. 9 Q. Okay. So she seems like the right 10 person to talk to? 11 A. Yes. You 'mow, Eve will give you 12 details on everything that has to be with New 13 York. Everything related to New York, Eve will 14 give it to you, 15 Q. Other than that, your recommendation is 16 to talk to Khalid? 17 A. Talk to Elul id. Talk to Amanda. 18 Q. Amanda Grant? 19 A. Amanda will tell you a lot of things. 20 Q. And she is here? 21 A. She's in Miami. Yeah, she's in Miami. 22 Q. '1'1°11111111W'lam 23 talk? 24 A. You can try. 25 Q. I mean, she is obviously someone who 17 (Pages 62 to 65) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111429 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 18 66 1 knows, right? 2 A. Yeah, you can try. 3 Q. I m e s a , you know her as a person. 4 A. Yes, 5 Q. So is she somebody who seems like 6 would — 7 A. if you start saying that she can make a 8 lot of money, she will talk. Thafs it. That's 9 the only way you're going to ga what you want. 10 Q. That's the only reason why anybody Is 11 going to blk? 12 A. Yeah. You have to start if you don't 13 start with that, nobody is going to open their 14 mouth. Why? Few what? They have to know that if 15 they're going to open their mouth, they're going 16 to get something for their words. If everybody 17 start knowing that they will be able to make 18 money, you're not going to have one; you're going 19 to have hundreds. You know, if if talk to 20 Eve. Ask Eve. And, you 'mow, give me a call 21 later. And if you want, give you the name of 22 people in Brazil that you're going to call and 23 start Wyatt start saying, look, if ynu 24 cooperate and you tell me everything you know 25 because, you know, you will be able to make 1 2 3 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 68 A. He used to live in 1100 West Avenue in the penthouse. Not anymore. Q. Other than Jeff Fuller, that's the only real friend here? A. Other than Jeff Fuller. Jeff Fuller is his partner. You know, Corrado is another friend of him but I don't know his last name. He lives here in Miami. Q. How do you spell the first name? A. C-O-R-R-A-D-O. He's an Italian guy. That's another person he is very close, very close, friend of Jean-Luc since Europe. But if you don't go to him saying about the money, Corrado is not going to talk. And if you talk to Corrado about money, believe me, you're not going to have one; you're going to have 20 names and you're going to have 20 cases. Pero. if you don't go with your tool, which is going to be, okay, we can make money, we can do this, we can do that, they're not going to they're not go to sell his Mend because they go out with him. Because when they go out with Jean-Luc, Jean-Inc nays for the bills, Jean-Luc pays for the gas, Jean•Luc pays for the vacation, Jean-Luc pays for this and that even if 67 1 550 million, $20 million, how much you want, let's 2 find it If they don't get anything like that, 3 they're not going to do anything. They're not 4 going to move a pencil. Because he goes with 5 $5,000 and they're happy. 6 Q. Right. 7 A. They're happy. 8 Q. Do you know of that happening already? 9 A. Yeah. I can say with — with this 10 woman, that is probably with Conchita. That woman 11 hate him. 12 Q. Hates Jeff Erbil.? 13 A. No, Jean-Loc. And now she's, like, the 14 best friend. Jean-Luc never pay her 550,000 he 15 owe her. And maybe, finally. he pay it and 16 whatever, and now he has her in his pocket. 17 Q. Who else does Jean-Luc stay with when 18 he's here? 19 A. I don't know — he doesn't stay anymore 20 in his apartment. He has a house now. He rents a 21 house. $olknow 22 Q. In New York? 23 A. No, in Miami. In New York, he's still 24 in the place ofJeffrey Epstein. 25 Q. Oh, okay. And down here he stays — 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 69 he doesn't have any money to pay his payroll. Q. How much time does Jean-Luc spend in France? A. Very little. Very little. He's traveling all over the world. He's traveling all over the world. Q. And does he have money problems? A. Yeah. He doesn't have any money. Q. He doesn't? A. Jean-Luc doesn't have any money. Q. Where does he get the money from, then? A. From the company. First you have to pay Jean-Luc% credit cards and expenses before you pay anybody else. Q. That's the rules? A. Yeah. He's — his American Express tomes for $50,000. Of course. maybe 20 are tickets for the models, that they going to be reimbursed by the client, but 30,000 are his expenses. And he says, no, that's scouting. So we have to pay for that. Q. Okay. Who are the other scouts for MC Squared? A. Khalid was one. Jeff Pullet is another one. There is another woman, Nicolette. What s 18 (Pages 66 to 69) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111430 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 PAGE 19 70 1 her name? Something like that, is her name. I 2 don't recall ha name. She does the scouting, 3 too. 4 Q. Okay. 5 A. In New York he had another scouter. A 6 Jewish guy. But now he has the office of MC 7 Squared in Tel Aviv. You can talk to him, too. I 8 don't recall his name. But it's in the Web page 9 of MC Squared. 10 Q. Okay. Yeah, but he's Jean-Los's friend, 11 right? 12 A. Yeah. but money talks. 13 Q. Are there any of the other modeling 14 agenda that are not friendly with MC Squared? 15 Such as Ford Modeling Agency; is that someone? 16 A. There is a guy in New York that you have 17 to talk to. 18 Q. VOID Is that? 19 A. Loh, what his name? What his natne? 2C Jean-Luc sue him and then he suc him and he won, 21 because Jean-Luc never paid two girls. And he was 22 the — the general manager of New York. And he 23 opened his own agency and he did much better than 24 Jean-Luc. 25 Q. Do you remember the name of the agency? 71 1 A. It's one — can be One Model. 2 Q. One 3 A. Yeah. It's Scott. That's his name, 4 Scott and One Managemat If there is a person 5 that is going to talk everything for Jean-Luc, 6 it's going to be him. 7 Q. And have you seen pictures of Jean-Luc 8 and underage girls in any other context other than 9 at model shoots, parties or whatever? 10 A. Felice yeah. There were pictures. Tic 11 has pictures in his Facet** with the girls, 12 hugging the girls or whatever. 13 Q. Right. Any with Jeffrey Epstein? 14 A. No, I don't think so. 15 Q. Rave you ever seen any pictures with 16 Jeffrey Epstein and the models? 17 A. The ones that be took at the party. 18 Q. Do you know where those are? 19 A. No. In Jean-Lue's computer. 20 Q. Okay. Has Jean-Lne ever talked about 21 any of the cases involving Jeffrey Epstein? 22 A Never. 23 Q. To yon or anybody else that you know? 24 A. No, not that I kriow. 25 MR. EDWARDS: All right. I'm going 72 1 to be in touch, maybe with the trial 2 subpoena. Hopefully we can just tell 3 you that it's off, if things are off. 4 If it's on, then let you know. But 5 you can just call my office and PH 6 tell you. 7 THE WITNESS: Okay. But Pm going 8 to call you — 9 MR. EDWARDS: All of the Federal 10 trial subpoenas tell you that you have 11 to be there on that day. But you can 12 just call me and I'll tell you whether 13 you really have to be there or you 14 don't THE WITNESS: This is July 19. 16 MR. EDWARDS: Right 17 THE WITNESS: This is for which 18 one? 19 MR. EDWARDS: It's just one of the 20 very many Jane Does. 23. THE WITNESS: And this is another 22 subpoena? 23 MR. EDWARDS: Ifs for trial. 24 MR. FISTEN: It's just for trial. (Thereupon, the SWT' Statement was 25 IN 1 concluded at 5:23 p.m.) 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 73 19 (Pages 70 to 73) U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 EFTA01111431 09/28/2012 23:30 19735971174 F 74 1 CERTIFICATE OF OATH 2 3 4 STATE OF FLORIDA ) 5 COUNTY OF MIAMI•DADE ) 6 7 8 L the undersi authority. certify that 9 personally appeared before me and 10 was duly sworn. 11 WITNESS my hand and ofEcial seal this 24th 12 day of June, 2010. 13 14 15 ELAINE CRANDALL Notary Public. State of Florida 16 My Commission No. DD7I0458 Expires December 28,2011 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 2 3 4 STATE OF FLORIDA : : SS. 3 COUNTY OF NIANII-DARE 6 7 B I, ELAM CRANDALL- Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of 9 Florida at Lair, do hereby certi SI I reported the Sworn Statement o 10 witness called in the above-styl the foregoing pages. numbered firm 1 to 74. 1: inclusive, constitute a true and (*nut transcription of my shorthand report of the 12 deposition by said witness. 13 fibrilla certify that I am not an attorney or counsel of any of the parties, nor a relative 14 or employee of any attorney or counsel eon with the action, nor financially interested in the 15 action. 16 WITNESS my hand and official seal in the City of Miami, County of Miami-Dade, State of Florida, 17 this 24th des• of Ione. 2010. 18 19 20 21 BLAINE CRANDALL, RP.R. 22 23 24 25 75 U.S. Legal Support (305) 373-8404 20 (pages 74 EFTA01111432