FD-302 (Rev. 54-10)

FD-302 (Rev. 54-10) -1 :J.': 6 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION , date of birth (DOB) OFFICIAL RACOMI1 Dateolcury 12/11/201 9 , was interviewed at One Saint Andrews Plaza, New York, New York. Present for the interview was Assistant United States Attorney and Special Agent . After being advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, provided the following information: friend introduced her to GHISLAINE MAXWELL. visited MAXWELL at her place in . MAXWELL treated they were sisters, "like naughty schoolgirls". MAXWELL was nice to and seemed interested in her. MAXWELL talked about her boyfriend JEFFREY EPSTEIN. MAXWELL told , "I know how much he's going to like you". EPSTEIN visited like and MAXWELL called to drop everything and come to her place. EPSTEIN was in sweatpants and a t-shirt talking on the phone. When EPSTEIN got off the phone, MAXWELL gave EPSTEIN a "résumé" of attributes, saying things like "she's so pretty and she's so strong," referring to . MAXWELL told to massage EPSTEIN's shoulders so she did. EPSTEIN made a comment, "I thought she was just blowing smoke up my ass." MAXWELL said, "Oh, I'll tell you when you come back." MAXWELL asked , "Since you're so strong, I'd appreciate if you could give Jeffrey a massage because he needs a massage everyday...I'd get in trouble." MAXWELL showed to a room, where EPSTEIN was in a robe. EPSTEIN took off the robe, got on the bed, and massaged him. EPSTEIN turned over and saw he had an erection. EPSTEIN stated, "Well that doesn't make you uncomfortable, does it?". EPSTEIN touched and put her hand on his penis. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL invited to Palm Beach, Paris, New York, and the Virgin Islands. EPSTEIN put in an apartment and told her there were rules. She was not allowed to have men in the apartment. EPSTEIN told Immtigationon 08/27/2019 g New York, New York, United States (In Person) Heft 31E-NY-3027571 mmdranal 09/30/2019 by This document contains neither recommendation% nor conclusions of diet:BLit is the property of the Fill and is loaned to your agency; it and fis contents ati: not to be distributed outside your agency. 35B-002 Page I of6 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007248 EFTA00158636 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) 31E-NY-3027571 Continuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of .0„ 08/27/2019 .Pag,• 2 of 6 her, "I don't want men where I've been." Every time met EPSTEIN, there were varying degrees of sexual behavior. EPSTEIN grabbed her, pulled her to his lap, and would say, "Are you fucking someone; why are you being frosty?". felt paralyzed like she could not say anything. EPSTEIN would visually shake when he saw because he wanted to touch her so much. When EPSTEIN wanted to do something she did not want to do, MAXWELL would minimize and say things like "don't be silly". In New York, massaged EPSTEIN. These massages involved sexual encounters where EPSTEIN groped and used a "massage thing" on her genitals. stated, "It was unpleasant." In Palm Beach, MAXWELL showed to the room she would be staying in. There was a school girl uniform on the bed. confronted MAXWELL. MAXWELL told her, "Oh I thought it'd be adorable if you took Jeffrey his tea. Don't be so frigid." put the outfit on; she did not know what to do. saw EPSTEIN's martial arts trainer there. EPSTEIN slapped her "ass", reached under under her skirt, and touched her. stated, "By the time they get to the sex acts, you have no fight left; they've demoralized you." EPSTEIN used a "vibrator/massage thing" on her. If shut down, EPSTEIN would call her frigid. EPSTEIN told her, "If you won't tell me what you like, we'll just have to try things to see what you like." knew MAXWELL to be EPSTEIN's girlfriend. EPSTEIN was allowed to fool around but not have sex with others. talked about a time where there was a massage table and EPSTEIN pulled her under her skirt. pushed EPSTEIN away. EPSTEIN grabbed her shoulders, threw her on the bed, and before she knew it EPSTEIN was inside of her. was crying and she froze. EPSTEIN told her, "That's not my deal with Ghislaine; you've made me cheat on her." The rest of the trip EPSTEIN kept doing the same thing. "checked out". In , MAXWELL asked if she knew anyone who could give EPSTEIN a blowjob because MAXWELL did not feel like giving him one. MAXWELL 3513-002 Page 2 of 6 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007249 EFTA00158637 ED-302a (Rev. 54.10) 31E-NY-3027571 Conitnuation oil:D-302a (0) Interview of on 08/27/2019 Jag, 3 of 6 told her, "They have to look young at least." assumed that young meant younger than herself. One day, went to MAXWELL's and saw a girl there named remembered trying to get to leave. EPSTEIN did not like anyone who did drugs. EPSTEIN liked "wholesome young girls"; he liked "pureness". EPSTEIN did not like girls who were damaged. described EPSTEIN as being dismissive and then other times he would recognize something she did and it would be nice. MAXWELL either came to visit or sent her a gift for her 18th birthday. described that it was like being in a "weird sick family". MAXWELL was always asking for help. MAXWELL asked her to bring girls. MAXWELL asked for sexual favors for EPSTEIN. When was approximately 18 or 19 years old, MAXWELL asked her if she knew anyone that could massage EPSTEIN. MAXWELL told her that she knew the ones he liked. MAXWELL would always ask this while in a normal conversation. When was in Palm Beach, both MAXWELL and EPSTEIN talked with her separately about having a child. EPSTEIN always insisted on naked sunbathing. EPSTEIN asked if she wanted children, then told her that they would have to meet his standards. EPSTEIN told her, "I don't want my seed to be diluted." MAXWELL told that they should find someone for EPSTEIN to have a child with. MAXWELL told , "Well it can't be you because you're getting a bit old." stated that a few months after she met MAXWELL, she was given a gift for her 18th birthday. sexual favors. felt like she was being rewarded for the was given a really expensive purse. MAXWELL periodically reached out to asking if was available for EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was excited to hear that MAXWELL told her that they'd hire her. They paid for 3513-002 Page 3 of 6 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007250 EFTA00158638 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) 31E-NY-3027571 Conitnuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of .On 08/27/2019 .Page• 4 of 6 trip to the Virgin Islands on the pretense of her being EPSTEIN's massage therapist. The massages with EPSTEIN were always sexual. EPSTEIN would throw $300 near recalled seeing a young girl on the island, and thought this girl was stated she thought it was because told her; remembered name. [Agent note: and conversed after .] could not say that it was but recalled that the girl she saw was young; she looked very young. described the girl a: looked similar to but younger. was not being treated well by MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. They all went walking on the beach. EPSTEIN was in the middle between and MAXWELL and stuck his hands down both of their bikinis. It dawned on that "it was a them thing". When came back from the trip, she had a nervous breakdown and When was in the room with EPSTEIN, it was just she and him in the room. MAXWELL would be lurking close by. MAXWELL would say things like, "Oh how was it? Is Mr. Epstein happy?". MAXWELL always talked about blow job lessons and blow job parties. MAXWELL said that it needed to be a revolving door. MAXWELL would say, "You know how he is when he's not happy and you know what makes him happy. He has to have sex all the time; he's like a super hero." One time in Palm Beach when was maybe 18 or 19 years old, she recalled ALAN DERSHOWITZ being there. recalled this was during the same trip that MAXWELL wanted her to wear the school girl outfit. talked about a time where EPSTEIN was talking with DERSHOWITZ. was sunbathing topless when EPSTEIN told her to come say hi to his friend. DERSHOWITZ was bragging and laughing with EPSTEIN about getting 03 SIMPSON off. They talked about how people on opposite sides were idiots. described DERSHOWITZ as creepy; DERSHOWITZ never touched had email exchanges from LESELY (know to law enforcement as LESLEY GROFF). had a hotmail account from which LESLEY contacted her on to make travel arrangements. gave those emails to her attorney, EPSTEIN had an email, "jesvacation". EPSTEIN asked for 3513-002 Page4of6 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_0000725 I EFTA00158639 ED-302a (Rev. 54.10) 31E-NY-3027571 Conlinuation olTD-302 or (U) Interview of On 08/27/2019 Pag,• 5 of 6 photographs. arrangements for , and another woman made the travel In Paris, EPSTEIN assaulted in front of his housekeeper. In New York, saw EPSTEIN approximately three to four times. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL introduced to DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP was polite to was approximately 20-22 years old. MAXWELL also introduced to took back to the apartment in New York. woke up and was there and she thought, "Oh no," because EPSTEIN had said that there were to be no boys at his places with his girls. MAXWELL would call and say in a "school girl voice", "Jeffrey wants to see you". MAXWELL asked what was 17 years old. . MAXWELL came to schedule was when 18th birthday party. had periodic contact with EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. MAXWELL told that she had a wealthy high profile boyfriend. MAXWELL wanted to know that she was not with EPSTEIN. On or about October 3, 2012, LESLEY emailed EPSTEIN a call. The number was EPSTEIN; the email account was "jeevacation". asking her to give received emails from email was When talked with EPSTEIN, he acted like he cared about her life, but as soon as she started talking he would cut her off and ask when she was coming to see him. has been working with attorney five years. got in touch with him because to Florida to help with a case. did not know called her and told her that she for approximately she was thinking of coming when a man she had a beautiful baby girl and told her that she should keep out of anything that is not her business. This man told her that he did not want to make another call like this because the next one wouldn't be so nice. After she received that call, told that she could not assist with the case. was not sure when she first learned of EPSTEIN's investigation. knew that he was supposed to be in prison but EPSTEIN sent her an 3513-002 Page 5 of 6 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007252 EFTA00158640 FD-302a (Rev. 54.10) 31E-NY-3027571 Conitnuation oil:D-302a (U) Interview of 0, 08/27/2019 Pogo• 6 of 6 email while he was supposed to be there. MAXWELL told that a massage therapist was angry that she was fired. understood this to be what he was going to prison for. feels that MAXWELL is just as responsible as EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was the one responsible for telling girls how to do things and what to say. stated, "A lot of us were underage; she was responsible for a lot of the grooming." described MAXWELL as a manipulator who acts sweet. felt less afraid now that EPSTEIN was deceased. EPSTEIN did not value human life. In the interest of time, not all subject matter was covered during this interview. 3513-002 Page 6 of 6 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007253 EFTA00158641